I don't have a lot of research resources here at home, that's why I was holding off on this. I checked the 1880 census for the surnames Holler and Marion. There are several Marion families, but I didn't find a young lady by the name of Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I also checked for possible misspellings of both surnames. I also checked the 1890 tax lists, and the 1900 census. No luck there either. Perhaps if you give me the dates of birth (or approximate dates) if we add about 15-20 years, I can look for a marriage record in Effingham County. Do you know where they died? I don't have many cemetery records here, but the ladies from the Effingham County genealogy society have many more records available there than I do here (I live in Arizona and my research library is good, but limited). Linda (cousin to Matt Smallwood).........thanks for the hand-off Matt <grin> -----Original Message----- From: thehinge@magpage.com [mailto:thehinge@magpage.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:53 PM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents Here's the first thing I might suggest, John. Do you know what county your grandmother was born in, as well as the approximate year? If you're 70, assume you have to go back about 90 years to find her on any census in Illinois...or any other state for that matter. There's a good starting point....find her in a census. If it's a county close to you, spend some time looking for her in the census that you believe she may appear. Many historical societies have old censuses on microfilm...and even better it would scanned to digital form. You may get lucky and see here name and age mentioned in the household of your great-grandparents. From there, perhaps you can find her birth certificate in the same county. Of course, this assuming the family didn't move freqently. And the county didn't lose records. Anyone else have some suggestions? Surely, you do, cousin Linda....you have a lot more experience than I. heh heh. Matt Smallwood On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:57:42 EST Dusty1930@aol.com wrote: > I am new to this, so hope I am doing this right. I am > trying to find out > something on my Holler grand parents. My grand father's > name was Walter William > Holler, born in Mason, IL, Effingham Co. I know nothing > about my grandmother, > except her name, Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I am in my > 70's and met only one > of my grandparents when I was real young. All of my > family, with the exception > of my sister are gone now, so I have no one to ask. Any > help on this or how to > get help, I sure could use Thank you John > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

I enjoy a good search! Wanda Ancestry.com census pages 1930 Watson Twp, Effingham Co, IL William F. Marion 79 m at age 24 b IL parents b IL Anna E. Marion 73 m at age 29 b IL fb IN mb IL James F. Marion son 41 married b IL Russel Holler g'son 10 b IL 1920 Census taken Jan 19, 1920 Edgewood, Mason Twp, Effingham Co, IL All are born IL parents born IL Walter W. Holler 33 laborer Ella 36 Raymond B. 11 John W. 7 Ester L. 5 1910 Census taken May 5, 1910 Watson Village, Watson Twp, Effingham Co, IL All born IL parents b IL, except Anna All listed as sons & dtrs MARION household William 50 m once 34 yrs Anna 53 m once 34 yrs, 9 births 8 living, b IL fb KY mb IN Joseph 24 Single laborer James 21 single laborer Edith 18 single Oliver 16 single laborer Otho (male) 12 HOLLER, Ellen (dtr) 26 widow HOLLER, Raymond 1 11/12 1910, Riley Holler 22 single is listed as a servant in the hh of John P. Gilmore in West Twp, Effingham Co, IL Look for marriage of Ellen Marion to Mr Holler abt 1908 and Ellen Holler to Walter Holler abt 1912. Unfortunately, I can't find Walter Holler in the 1900, 1910 or 1930 census. 1900 Union Twp, Effingham Co, June 9-12, 1900 William Marion 49 b Dec 1850 m 24 yrs, b IL parents birthplace blank Anna wife 42 b June 1857 m 24 yrs 9 births 8 living, b IL fb IN mb IN Robert M son 18 b July 1881 Ellen dtr 16 b Nov 1883 Joseph S. son 14 b Oct 1885 James F son 11 b Aug 1888 Edith dtr 8 b Aug 1891 Oliver son 6 b May 1894 Otha son 2 b Jan 1898 World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Draft Card H, No 3 Name Birth Date Race Birthplace Walter Holler b 22 Oct 1887 Caucasian Edgewood, Illinois Registration Place Edgewood,Effingham,IL He is tall, slender, has blue eyes and dark hair, age 29 at date of registration and has a wife and 3 children, day laborer Date of registration June 5, 1917 Draft Card A-726 John Riley Holler b 23 Jul 1884 age 34 White Not Stated, Effingham, IL Employed by C. E. Williams in Marshall Co, IL Nearest relative Mrs Mary Holler, Edgewood, Effingham Co, IL Medium height, medium build, gray eyes, dark hair Date of registration Sept 12, 1918 1880 William and Anna Marion are boarders in the home of Robert Younghoun in Union Twp, Effingham Co, IL. They have dtr Jane Marion age 1. Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900 MARION, WILLIAM BRADBURY, ANA 03/01/1876 00B/0101 EFFINGHAM Name Home in 1870 (City, County, State) Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Gender James Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1830 Illinois White Male Mary Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1836 Maryland White Female Tho Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1852 Illinois White Male * Wm Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1855 Illinois White Male Jacob Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1856 Indiana White Female Eliza Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1862 Illinois White Male Alford Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1866 Illinois White Female Sam Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1866 Illinois White Male Allice Marion Watson, Effingham, IL abt 1868 Illinois White Female 1850 James Marrion is 21 b IL living with his mother Elizabeth age 51 b IN. James' siblings are Richard, John & Martha. 1840 Richard Marion is listed in Effingham Co, IL -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lambert [mailto:ktlkate@extremezone.com] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:20 AM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents I don't have a lot of research resources here at home, that's why I was holding off on this. I checked the 1880 census for the surnames Holler and Marion. There are several Marion families, but I didn't find a young lady by the name of Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I also checked for possible misspellings of both surnames. I also checked the 1890 tax lists, and the 1900 census. No luck there either. Perhaps if you give me the dates of birth (or approximate dates) if we add about 15-20 years, I can look for a marriage record in Effingham County. Do you know where they died? I don't have many cemetery records here, but the ladies from the Effingham County genealogy society have many more records available there than I do here (I live in Arizona and my research library is good, but limited). Linda (cousin to Matt Smallwood).........thanks for the hand-off Matt <grin> -----Original Message----- From: thehinge@magpage.com [mailto:thehinge@magpage.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:53 PM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents Here's the first thing I might suggest, John. Do you know what county your grandmother was born in, as well as the approximate year? If you're 70, assume you have to go back about 90 years to find her on any census in Illinois...or any other state for that matter. There's a good starting point....find her in a census. If it's a county close to you, spend some time looking for her in the census that you believe she may appear. Many historical societies have old censuses on microfilm...and even better it would scanned to digital form. You may get lucky and see here name and age mentioned in the household of your great-grandparents. From there, perhaps you can find her birth certificate in the same county. Of course, this assuming the family didn't move freqently. And the county didn't lose records. Anyone else have some suggestions? Surely, you do, cousin Linda....you have a lot more experience than I. heh heh. Matt Smallwood On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:57:42 EST Dusty1930@aol.com wrote: > I am new to this, so hope I am doing this right. I am > trying to find out > something on my Holler grand parents. My grand father's > name was Walter William > Holler, born in Mason, IL, Effingham Co. I know nothing > about my grandmother, > except her name, Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I am in my > 70's and met only one > of my grandparents when I was real young. All of my > family, with the exception > of my sister are gone now, so I have no one to ask. Any > help on this or how to > get help, I sure could use Thank you John > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. 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You're welcome, Linda...you're so experienced at these types of searches. Have you ever found information like d.o.b., date of marriage, etc....and your starting point only knowing a relative's approximate age and place of residence? So, do you have Effingham County censuses in digital form or did you make copies on a trip to Illinois? The marriage certificate search did occur to me afterwards also. Talk to ya soon, Matt On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:19:42 -0700 "Linda Lambert" <ktlkate@extremezone.com> wrote: > I don't have a lot of research resources here at home, > that's why I was > holding off on this. I checked the 1880 census for the > surnames Holler and > Marion. There are several Marion families, but I didn't > find a young lady > by the name of Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I also > checked for possible > misspellings of both surnames. > > I also checked the 1890 tax lists, and the 1900 census. > No luck there > either. > > Perhaps if you give me the dates of birth (or approximate > dates) if we add > about 15-20 years, I can look for a marriage record in > Effingham County. > > Do you know where they died? I don't have many cemetery > records here, but > the ladies from the Effingham County genealogy society > have many more > records available there than I do here (I live in Arizona > and my research > library is good, but limited). > > Linda (cousin to Matt Smallwood).........thanks for the > hand-off Matt <grin> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thehinge@magpage.com [mailto:thehinge@magpage.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:53 PM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents > > Here's the first thing I might suggest, John. Do you > know > what county your grandmother was born in, as well as the > approximate year? If you're 70, assume you have to go > back > about 90 years to find her on any census in Illinois...or > any other state for that matter. There's a good starting > point....find her in a census. > > > If it's a county close to you, spend some time looking > for > her in the census that you believe she may appear. Many > historical societies have old censuses on microfilm...and > even better it would scanned to digital form. You may > get > lucky and see here name and age mentioned in the > household > of your great-grandparents. From there, perhaps you can > find her birth certificate in the same county. Of > course, > this assuming the family didn't move freqently. And the > county didn't lose records. > > Anyone else have some suggestions? Surely, you do, > cousin > Linda....you have a lot more experience than I. heh heh. > > Matt Smallwood > > > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:57:42 EST > Dusty1930@aol.com wrote: > > I am new to this, so hope I am doing this right. I am > > trying to find out > > something on my Holler grand parents. My grand father's > > name was Walter William > > Holler, born in Mason, IL, Effingham Co. I know nothing > > about my grandmother, > > except her name, Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I am in > my > > 70's and met only one > > of my grandparents when I was real young. All of my > > family, with the exception > > of my sister are gone now, so I have no one to ask. Any > > help on this or how to > > get help, I sure could use Thank you John > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe > from > > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > > (for the > > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put > the > > word subscribe or > > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National > provider. > http://www.nni.com/ > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > it, send e-mail to > ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/

Oh yes, John....my mistake, you said Mary Ellen Marion was your grandmother. Linda's closer than me on the time frame estimate....your grandmother surely would have been born in the 1880's or 1890's at the latest....going back about 110-120 years. I was thinking of someone about the age of your mother when I mentioned 90 years. My apologies. Matt Smallwood On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:19:42 -0700 "Linda Lambert" <ktlkate@extremezone.com> wrote: > I don't have a lot of research resources here at home, > that's why I was > holding off on this. I checked the 1880 census for the > surnames Holler and > Marion. There are several Marion families, but I didn't > find a young lady > by the name of Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I also > checked for possible > misspellings of both surnames. > > I also checked the 1890 tax lists, and the 1900 census. > No luck there > either. > > Perhaps if you give me the dates of birth (or approximate > dates) if we add > about 15-20 years, I can look for a marriage record in > Effingham County. > > Do you know where they died? I don't have many cemetery > records here, but > the ladies from the Effingham County genealogy society > have many more > records available there than I do here (I live in Arizona > and my research > library is good, but limited). > > Linda (cousin to Matt Smallwood).........thanks for the > hand-off Matt <grin> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thehinge@magpage.com [mailto:thehinge@magpage.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:53 PM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents > > Here's the first thing I might suggest, John. Do you > know > what county your grandmother was born in, as well as the > approximate year? If you're 70, assume you have to go > back > about 90 years to find her on any census in Illinois...or > any other state for that matter. There's a good starting > point....find her in a census. > > > If it's a county close to you, spend some time looking > for > her in the census that you believe she may appear. Many > historical societies have old censuses on microfilm...and > even better it would scanned to digital form. You may > get > lucky and see here name and age mentioned in the > household > of your great-grandparents. From there, perhaps you can > find her birth certificate in the same county. Of > course, > this assuming the family didn't move freqently. And the > county didn't lose records. > > Anyone else have some suggestions? Surely, you do, > cousin > Linda....you have a lot more experience than I. heh heh. > > Matt Smallwood > > > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:57:42 EST > Dusty1930@aol.com wrote: > > I am new to this, so hope I am doing this right. I am > > trying to find out > > something on my Holler grand parents. My grand father's > > name was Walter William > > Holler, born in Mason, IL, Effingham Co. I know nothing > > about my grandmother, > > except her name, Mary Ellen Elizabeth Marion. I am in > my > > 70's and met only one > > of my grandparents when I was real young. All of my > > family, with the exception > > of my sister are gone now, so I have no one to ask. Any > > help on this or how to > > get help, I sure could use Thank you John > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe > from > > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > > (for the > > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put > the > > word subscribe or > > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National > provider. > http://www.nni.com/ > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > it, send e-mail to > ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/