Audrey, I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical and Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest a course of action? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Gloria

Hi Gloria, No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would clear that up. I will get back to you. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone > Audrey, > > I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the > newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. > John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be > interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 > and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. > > Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical and > Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: > "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven > children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in > the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second > marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the > first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest a > course of action? > > Thank you in advance for your assistance. > > Gloria > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

Gloria, For all it's worth, I know in my Loy research, no one had been aware of my ancestor John Henry Loy's (1784-1868) second marriage in his old age, though I had found a marriage for him with widow Mary (Hatcher) Munday the year before his death. Many older family members said this was not the same John, because he never remarried. However, I got access to his probate records, which named this second wife. I think many had overlooked it, because his first wife was also named Mary and they didn't put together her 1855 death date with the later date probate! Anyway, you might try looking at probate records. By the way, I found the marriage of Sophia and Lew in the IL marriage database. On 3/13/05 10:48 AM, "Audrey Garbe" <audrey@effingham.net> wrote: > Hi Gloria, > No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true > if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account > of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was > not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy > to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. > I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still > living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 > census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John > Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew > Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this > must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I > checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 > at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would > clear that up. I will get back to you. > > Audrey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> > To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone > > >> Audrey, >> >> I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the >> newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. >> John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be >> interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 >> and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. >> >> Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical > and >> Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: >> "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven >> children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in >> the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second >> marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the >> first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest > a >> course of action? >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >> unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to > ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. >

Hi Audrey, Thank you very much for checking. Sophia (Guyon) would most likely be Lewis LeCrone's wife. Also, in my original message I had Dr. John's birth year wrong. It should have been 1897. Thanks again, Gloria On 3/13/05 11:48 AM, Audrey Garbe wrote: > Hi Gloria, > No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true > if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account > of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was > not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy > to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. > I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still > living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 > census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John > Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew > Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this > must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I > checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 > at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would > clear that up. I will get back to you. > > Audrey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> > To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone > > >> Audrey, >> >> I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the >> newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. >> John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be >> interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 >> and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. >> >> Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical > and >> Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: >> "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven >> children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in >> the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second >> marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the >> first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest > a >> course of action? >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >> unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> > > ______________________________