I've always thought that the Effingham list was one of the better ones that I'm one. Maybe any sour grapes come from being too impatient; most of us have other 'lives'. We really appreciate you Linda. I've added some picture to my family tree maker site with an Effingham county connection. The families of Henry & Mary Rosa Kampschrader Zacha, William & Mary Jansen Kampschrader, Andrew & Christina Stroot Kollmann. -- Jean Family Tree Branches: ZACHA, KOLLMANN, STROOT, KAMPSCHRADER, SANTEL, ARENTSEN, WELLEN, NETEMEYER, BAAHLMANN, KOEHLER, MANSKE, ZIMMERMANN, MUELLER, SOMMER, WITCHONKE, RAND/RAML http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/o/e/Jean-Z-Koehler http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jeanzk http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jeanzk