Marsha and Steve Leitzell wrote: > I don't have access to this info. Steve and all, if you haven't tried ancestry.com, I'd suggest doing it. Instead of wading through reel after reel of microfilm, you can type in the info you know and get the census you want -- a photo of the actual census page. Ancestry.com is a paid service, but I believe the 1880 Census is offered right now at no charge. Anybody with web-browsing capability ought to be able to use it. > I have seen Rootsweb entries for other Hilmes around Clinton Co. IL who list the same parent's names as Bernard did when he got married (Gerhard Hilmes / Anna Maria Kohlmann), but can make no connection. Steve, that IS a connection. It's even better in terms of evidence of kinship than a census. (Sometimes the censuses provide wildly erroneous info.) Hope this helps! Dorothy Brumleve www.brumleve.org