Hi Gloria, No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would clear that up. I will get back to you. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone > Audrey, > > I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the > newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. > John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be > interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 > and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. > > Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical and > Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: > "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven > children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in > the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second > marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the > first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest a > course of action? > > Thank you in advance for your assistance. > > Gloria > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

Audrey, I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical and Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest a course of action? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Gloria

I sent you the one for Frances Elizabeth Roedell on November 30, 2004. Thank you Audrey, I may have mislaid it somewhere. I guess I need to do some spring cleaning. Thanks again, Faye

Faye, I can look for the obits but it is unlikely I will find the ones in 1884, 90 and 97 since they were seldom printed in the paper. I'm more likely to find the ones from the 30's. I sent you the one for Frances Elizabeth Roedell on November 30, 2004. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <Fay1253@aol.com> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Roedell/Roedel/Roedl obits > Ten days ago I posted this query for obits on family members. I have not > heard any response back. I am wondering if there was nothing to report back or > what the next step might be. I have checked with Cook County and Lake County. > > > 1) Nicholas Gabinus Roedl died Jan 29, 1890 Edgewood, Effingham County, > Illinois - my great great grandfather > > 2) Mariea Anna Roedl (wife of Nicholas)died July 21, 1884 Edgewood, > Effingham County, Illinois > > 3) Joseph Antonious Roedl died October 18, 1897 Altamont, Effingham, > Illinois - my great grandfather > > 4) Mary Elvena Wool/Woll (wife of Joseph) died July 23, 1930 Altamont, > Effingham, Illinois > > 5) Louis Rodolph Roedell died April 1, 1937 died in Cook County, buried in > Altamont, Effingham, Illinois - my grandfather > > 6) Frances Elizabeth Roedell (wife of Louis) died October 13, 1987, > Waukegan, Lake, Illinois buried in Altamont, Effingham, Illinois. > > Any assistance in finding these obits is greatly appreciated. I am on an > extremely low fixed income and live 1200 miles away. > > Faye > > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

Ten days ago I posted this query for obits on family members. I have not heard any response back. I am wondering if there was nothing to report back or what the next step might be. I have checked with Cook County and Lake County. 1) Nicholas Gabinus Roedl died Jan 29, 1890 Edgewood, Effingham County, Illinois - my great great grandfather 2) Mariea Anna Roedl (wife of Nicholas)died July 21, 1884 Edgewood, Effingham County, Illinois 3) Joseph Antonious Roedl died October 18, 1897 Altamont, Effingham, Illinois - my great grandfather 4) Mary Elvena Wool/Woll (wife of Joseph) died July 23, 1930 Altamont, Effingham, Illinois 5) Louis Rodolph Roedell died April 1, 1937 died in Cook County, buried in Altamont, Effingham, Illinois - my grandfather 6) Frances Elizabeth Roedell (wife of Louis) died October 13, 1987, Waukegan, Lake, Illinois buried in Altamont, Effingham, Illinois. Any assistance in finding these obits is greatly appreciated. I am on an extremely low fixed income and live 1200 miles away. Faye

Good Afternoon, This seminar will be a great opportunity to learn more about our research and to network with fellow genealogists in the area. Hope to see you there. GENEALOGY SEMINAR, hosted by Michael John Neill. Sunday, April 3 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. (Lunch break Noon - 1:00 p.m.) YWCA of Alton, 304 E. Third Street $30 per person includes catered lunch / $20 per person without lunch. Call 618-465-7774 to register, space is limited. Topics Include: Interviewing Grandma and Things in the Attic This lecture will discuss techniques for interviewing relatives, including what kinds of questions to ask, how to ask (and how not to ask) questions, recording the interviewing, and more. The second half of this lecture will discuss a variety of home sources, ranging from photographs to personal papers and how to use these sources to continue your search for family history. Online Search Strategy This lecture will discuss a general online research strategy that is applicable to about just any ancestor and time period. The intent of this session is to provide the researcher with a framework to cut down on wasted online time and make the best use of their resources. Tried and Tested Tidbits Geared to researchers at all levels, this lecture discusses procedures and methods that are easy to forget and that once forgotten can significantly hinder research. Sometimes it is the little things than cause the most difficulty for the family history researcher. This lecture will provide the new researcher with ideas of things to not overlook and remind more experienced researchers of things they might have forgotten. Census Records From 1790-1930, census records are one of the sources most utilized by genealogists. This lecture will provide a summary of what is contained in census records, how to analyze them and the many ways that genealogists can now access these records, ranging from microfilm in a library to websites that bring the data directly to your own home. Michael John Neill is the Course I Coordinator at the Genealogical Institute of Mid America (GIMA) held annually in Springfield, Illinois, and is also on the faculty of Carl Sandburg College in Galesburg, Illinois. Michael is the Web columnist for the FGS FORUM and is on the editorial board of the Illinois State Genealogical Society Quarterly. He contributes to several genealogical publications, including Ancestry Magazine and Genealogical Computing.

Good morning listers, My husband and I are looking for a nice hotel/motel for the July 2 and 3rd. We will be in St. Elmo area for a reunion and will be needing a place to rest. Any ideas? Also will be looking around the Altamont area, the place my Ancestors called home for over 100 years. Faye

Looking for obituaries for the following members of my family: 1) Nicholas Gabinus Roedl died Jan 29, 1890 Edgewood, Effingham County, Illinois - my great great grandfather 2) Mariea Anna Roedl (wife of Nicholas)died July 21, 1884 Edgewood, Effingham County, Illinois 3) Joseph Antonious Roedl died October 18, 1897 Altamont, Effingham, Illinois - my great grandfather 4) Mary Elvena Wool/Woll (wife of Joseph) died July 23, 1930 Altamont, Effingham, Illinois 5) Louis Rodolph Roedell died April 1, 1937 died in Cook County, buried in Altamont, Effingham, Illinois - my grandfather 6) Frances Elizabeth Roedell (wife of Louis) died October 13, 1987, Waukegan, Lake, Illinois buried in Altamont, Effingham, Illinois. Any assistance in finding these obits is greatly appreciated. I am on an extremely low fixed income and live 1200 miles away. Faye

Linda, To elaborate on the "cluster genealogy" tip, a good research example is my Kish line that lived in 1860s Effingham Co. My ancestor's Civil War pension gave affidavit from his "boyhood friend" Chauncy Chipman of Kankakee Co., IL, where the Kish family lived prior to Effingham Co. According to IL census, the Kish family was from Upper Canada (another name for "Ontario"), but I was at a loss for the county. By tracing Chauncy's family to modern Johnstown, Leeds Co., Ontario, I was able to pinpoint where my Kish family lived in his and my ancestor's "boyhood." In fact, I found several early Kish-Chipman marriages in Leeds Co. I'm always hesitant to document Johnstown's *former* town name in my records, as it's the same 7-letter word describing an illegitimate child, starting with the letter "B." No wonder the families left for IL! ;-)

Linda, Any tips on how to find those "lost" relatives would be a great help. There is always one that is the so called "brick wall!" Will start looking for who my gg grandfather's family traveled with. Now why didn't I think of that before? Thanks, Kate Keller Bourland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lambert" <ktlkate@extremezone.com> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Research tips that may be of help to you...... > When I was at the National Genealogy Society conference in Phoenix recently, > I was given a daily calendar with different genealogy information for each > day. Some of these are software tips, technology tips, etc. all pertaining > to genealogy. If you wish, I will share some of the better ones. They may > not necessarily pertain to only Effingham County, but your general genealogy > research as well. > > > > "When publishing a query to a message board or a mailing list, make sure the > subject line has enough information to effectively market/advertise your > query. Effective subject lines include: 1) Name(s)/subject; 2) Time period; > 3) Location. For example: Lorenzo D. Brown, 1822-1918, Venango County, > Pennsylvania." > > > > "The American Genealogical-Biographical Index is an index for millions of > individuals. Many of the indexed entries come from pre-1900 family > histories. Other records include the Boston Transcript, the complete 1790 > US Federal census, and published Revolutionary War records." > > > > "The 1900 US federal census was the first to list the number of years the > couple was married." > > > > "Cluster genealogy solves brick wall problems. Your ancestor traveled with > in-laws, friends, and business associates. Learn where they came from - > perhaps your ancestor came from the same place!" > > > > "Topographical maps display information about features of the land: roads, > valley, rivers, and hills. They are important for understanding where and > how families might have traveled." > > > > If you like these, let me know, and more will follow as I see them. > > > > Linda > > Effingham Mailing List Administrator > > > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/05 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/05

Thanks for sharing Linda. These are great. Hugs, Terry Linda Lambert <ktlkate@extremezone.com> wrote: When I was at the National Genealogy Society conference in Phoenix recently, I was given a daily calendar with different genealogy information for each day. Some of these are software tips, technology tips, etc. all pertaining to genealogy. If you wish, I will share some of the better ones. They may not necessarily pertain to only Effingham County, but your general genealogy research as well. "When publishing a query to a message board or a mailing list, make sure the subject line has enough information to effectively market/advertise your query. Effective subject lines include: 1) Name(s)/subject; 2) Time period; 3) Location. For example: Lorenzo D. Brown, 1822-1918, Venango County, Pennsylvania." "The American Genealogical-Biographical Index is an index for millions of individuals. Many of the indexed entries come from pre-1900 family histories. Other records include the Boston Transcript, the complete 1790 US Federal census, and published Revolutionary War records." "The 1900 US federal census was the first to list the number of years the couple was married." "Cluster genealogy solves brick wall problems. Your ancestor traveled with in-laws, friends, and business associates. Learn where they came from - perhaps your ancestor came from the same place!" "Topographical maps display information about features of the land: roads, valley, rivers, and hills. They are important for understanding where and how families might have traveled." If you like these, let me know, and more will follow as I see them. Linda Effingham Mailing List Administrator ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

"When scanning and saving images, always scan the original image at a high resolution and save it as a .bmp or .tif. This will ensure that you always have a high quality image. If the original is saved as a .jpg (poorer quality, but small file size), and you later want to include the image in a book, you will need to rescan it at the higher quality." "Golden rule for data entering locations: enter the location as it existed at the time of the event, then add the current location in your note field. Such as "now in Effingham County, Illinois". This enables the researcher to search in the correct jurisdiction for records. It also leaves good trails for anyone you share your genealogical data with. Linda Effingham County Mailing List Administrator

When I was at the National Genealogy Society conference in Phoenix recently, I was given a daily calendar with different genealogy information for each day. Some of these are software tips, technology tips, etc. all pertaining to genealogy. If you wish, I will share some of the better ones. They may not necessarily pertain to only Effingham County, but your general genealogy research as well. "When publishing a query to a message board or a mailing list, make sure the subject line has enough information to effectively market/advertise your query. Effective subject lines include: 1) Name(s)/subject; 2) Time period; 3) Location. For example: Lorenzo D. Brown, 1822-1918, Venango County, Pennsylvania." "The American Genealogical-Biographical Index is an index for millions of individuals. Many of the indexed entries come from pre-1900 family histories. Other records include the Boston Transcript, the complete 1790 US Federal census, and published Revolutionary War records." "The 1900 US federal census was the first to list the number of years the couple was married." "Cluster genealogy solves brick wall problems. Your ancestor traveled with in-laws, friends, and business associates. Learn where they came from - perhaps your ancestor came from the same place!" "Topographical maps display information about features of the land: roads, valley, rivers, and hills. They are important for understanding where and how families might have traveled." If you like these, let me know, and more will follow as I see them. Linda Effingham Mailing List Administrator

Guess everyone knows I am from the south. I spell it like I pronounce it - asterick. :-)

You probably already know this, but here is how I do it. In the early census, the Best Matches tab doesn't help much unless I put in the correct spelling. For instance Stallings was spelled Stallin, Stalyon, Stallian, etc. In one case Ancestry misread it and indexed it as Stalyam. (Typos do happen, so look for it spelled Tsallings or Allings) Anyway, if I put in last name is Stal* (with an asterick), it kicks out every name in that county starting with those letters. If it finds none, it will kick out any names starting with that spelling in all the other counties in that state, then each of the other states in the union. By 1850 the spelling was a little more consistant, so typing in Stallings gets me all the Stallings in that county, then also lists all the Stallings in the next nearest county, which is a handy help. The Exact Matches Only tab is the one I use the most. The soundex comes in handy. When using the Exact Spelling option, I discovered that if I put in Wm (no asterick) for the first name and Sta* (asterick) for the last name, it will kick out every abbreviated Wm and William Stallings, Stalen, Staley, Staten, Stallard, etc in that county. You can do the same with Jno for John and Jas for James. If I want Willis Stallings, I have to put in Wil* (asterick) Stal* (asterick) and it will kick out Willis, Will, Willey, William Stallings, Stallard, etc. Both have advantages. Just play with them a bit. Good luck, Wanda -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Hillman [mailto:lynnhillman@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:46 PM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] off topic I have it and it works find for me provided I make sure that it's searching under the tab "Exact Matches: Only". This is their "old" system and includes the Soundex option. It is at the bottom of the second page, the one that gives you the master list of search results. Their new systems has its benefits, but mostly it is way too unwieldy. I can't get it to throw out the results I don't want and having 3000 replys is just plain silly. Good luck! Lynn gloria OLMSTEAD wrote: > I know this is not the place but I need to know if any one who has > Ancestry. com has been into it lately? I can't find anyone any more > with the system they now have. Does any one know where else one might > go to search. Thanks Glo > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

I have it and it works find for me provided I make sure that it's searching under the tab "Exact Matches: Only". This is their "old" system and includes the Soundex option. It is at the bottom of the second page, the one that gives you the master list of search results. Their new systems has its benefits, but mostly it is way too unwieldy. I can't get it to throw out the results I don't want and having 3000 replys is just plain silly. Good luck! Lynn gloria OLMSTEAD wrote: > I know this is not the place but I need to know if any one who has > Ancestry. com has been into it lately? I can't find anyone any more > with the system they now have. Does any one know where else one might > go to search. Thanks Glo > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

I know this is not the place but I need to know if any one who has Ancestry. com has been into it lately? I can't find anyone any more with the system they now have. Does any one know where else one might go to search. Thanks Glo

Wanda, I have both the cemetery records and marriage records for Effingham Co. and found only one marriage and one burial for Holler. There is a James R. Holler 1881-1971 buried at Brown Cemetery in Mason Twp. I was surprised not to find Walter buried near Mason. Being so close to Fayette and Clay counties they could have been buried there. In the 1906-1910 marriages of Effingham Co. there is a marriage of Jay Brown and Lou Ethel May Hollar. She is the dau of John Hollar and Mary A. Carroll. Married Nov 9, 1906. That's it. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pitt" <wandap2@swbell.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: RE: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents > Audrey, > So many of you have helped me over the years. This was my big chance to > repay by passing the favor along to John. > Wanda > > PS thanks for the death date. Does anyone have the cemetery or marriage > records 1900-1930? There should be some Holler people listed in them. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Garbe [mailto:audrey@effingham.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:14 PM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents > > > > Good job, Wanda. > > > Illinois death index ... > > Walter Holler died Effingham Co. Mason Twp. 9-3-1924 > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to > ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

Audrey, So many of you have helped me over the years. This was my big chance to repay by passing the favor along to John. Wanda PS thanks for the death date. Does anyone have the cemetery or marriage records 1900-1930? There should be some Holler people listed in them. -----Original Message----- From: Audrey Garbe [mailto:audrey@effingham.net] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:14 PM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Grandparents Good job, Wanda. Illinois death index ... Walter Holler died Effingham Co. Mason Twp. 9-3-1924 ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

John - I saw all the great suggestions that came across on the mailing list. May I add one more to the list? Keep a notebook - not just for the facts and figures that you uncover, but for the memories as well. You are the same age as my dad and he is working on a "memory album", in addition to the various branches of our trees. He surveyed us kids for the things we would like to know about him...and the answers were as varied as life is...growing up during WWII, family Christmases, high school dances, social mores, our granparents' personalities and relationship, being drafted, getting married, losing his wife at 26 with a newborn at home (yeah, that was a toughie), rebuilding a life, wife and family, watching his kids graduate, marry and start families. You get the picture. I have found that one of the frustrating things about genealogy is that its very hard to have a sense of the personalities or decisions of the persons uncovered. The family tree is for you and the memories are for your kids. I had a wisdom tooth removed today and am pleasantly "doped up" on pain killers so if this sounds a little "Oprah-ish", I apologize. But drugs or not, I'm looking forward to the album. Lynn Dusty1930@aol.com wrote: >Matt > Thank you for your help. I ask for help on this Effingham link, and I >got several responses the same day, more the next. All of you have been so very >nice. I only hope someday I may be able to help someone like myself. I may >have cause to ask more info in the future, if you don't mind. I'm in my 70's and >am getting a late start not only on trying to put together a family tree, but >also how to use a PC. Late bloomer I guess. Thanks again. John > > >==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >unsubscribe in the message body. > > > >