I am trying to figure out my relationship to Harry Leitzell who ran a photography studio in Altamont for many years. Does anyone know who Harry's parents / grandparents were?

Audrey, Yes, This sounds like the family I inquired about. Thanks for the info. I had no ideal where they came from to get to Effingham. Dortha Agnew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Garbe" <audrey@effingham.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Elizabeth Bingaman > The 1840 census of Effingham Co. has a John Bingaman listed as head of > house > with 2 males under five, one male five to ten and one male 30-40. Also > one > female five to ten, one female ten to 15 and one female 30-40. In the > 1850 > census the John Bingerman family is living in Effingham Co. > > John Bingerman age 44 farmer b. TN > Elizabeth 39 b. TN > Sarah 21 b. TN > Henry 20 b. IL > Margaret 18 " > John F. 13 " > Newton H. 10 " > William K. 7 " > Isaac 7 " > Elizabeth 3 " Could this be your ggrandmother? > Benton 1 " > > Living next door is the William Bingermon family also from TN. The 1840 > and > 50 census does not have the information of where they lived in the County. > > In 1860 this family is living in Effingham. Wm. and Elizabeth and their > children, Wm. R. and Isaac, 16, Elizabeth 12, Robert J. 10, James K. 4. > There is also a Halla Johnson living with them, teacher of Com. school. > > Does this sound like your family? > > Audrey > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KENNETH AGNEW" <kenagnew@charter.net> > To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:13 PM > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Elizabeth Bingaman > > >> My great grand mother was Elizabeth Bingaman born November 30, 1846 in > Effingham Co. She married Karl (Charles) A Deichman born August 19, 1842 > in > Hermattshausen, Bavaria, Germany. Six of their children were born in > Effingham Co and two in Webster Co., Mo. Both are buried in Floral > Cemetery > in Cowley Co., Ks. >> >> Does anyone have any information of the family of Elizabeth Bingaman or > any information on where they might have lived? Charles Deichman's > parents > lived in the Shumway area and are buried in the Lutheran cemetery just > outside Shumway. >> >> Dortha Deichman(n) Agnew >> 8904 Woodlawn Drive >> Granbury, Tx 76049 >> kenagnew@charter.net >> >> >> >> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe >> or > >> unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

The 1840 census of Effingham Co. has a John Bingaman listed as head of house with 2 males under five, one male five to ten and one male 30-40. Also one female five to ten, one female ten to 15 and one female 30-40. In the 1850 census the John Bingerman family is living in Effingham Co. John Bingerman age 44 farmer b. TN Elizabeth 39 b. TN Sarah 21 b. TN Henry 20 b. IL Margaret 18 " John F. 13 " Newton H. 10 " William K. 7 " Isaac 7 " Elizabeth 3 " Could this be your ggrandmother? Benton 1 " Living next door is the William Bingermon family also from TN. The 1840 and 50 census does not have the information of where they lived in the County. In 1860 this family is living in Effingham. Wm. and Elizabeth and their children, Wm. R. and Isaac, 16, Elizabeth 12, Robert J. 10, James K. 4. There is also a Halla Johnson living with them, teacher of Com. school. Does this sound like your family? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "KENNETH AGNEW" <kenagnew@charter.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Elizabeth Bingaman > My great grand mother was Elizabeth Bingaman born November 30, 1846 in Effingham Co. She married Karl (Charles) A Deichman born August 19, 1842 in Hermattshausen, Bavaria, Germany. Six of their children were born in Effingham Co and two in Webster Co., Mo. Both are buried in Floral Cemetery in Cowley Co., Ks. > > Does anyone have any information of the family of Elizabeth Bingaman or any information on where they might have lived? Charles Deichman's parents lived in the Shumway area and are buried in the Lutheran cemetery just outside Shumway. > > Dortha Deichman(n) Agnew > 8904 Woodlawn Drive > Granbury, Tx 76049 > kenagnew@charter.net > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

Ms. Garbe, Thank you for the info on the Leitzell's! If you have more on the Leitzell's buried at the Union Cemetery, I would be greatly appeciative. Here are the relatives I know about: Robert A. Leitzell (my great-grandfather) Catherine "Kittie" (Cook) Leitzell (my great-grandmother) Rodney C. Leitzell (my grandfather) Elizabeth (Hilmes) Leitzell (my grandmother) Viola Leitzell, Dale Leitzell, Louis Faye Leitzell (sister and brothers of my grandfather) Bernard H. Hilmes and Mary ?? (my grandmother's parents); they are buried in the St.Clare cemetery. Again, I would be greatly appreciative of any help you could give me. Is the info on the Union Cemetery on-line anywhere? Again, Thank You! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Garbe" <audrey@effingham.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Information on George W. LEITZELL descendants > I think I can help you with some marriages. > > Effingham Co. Marriages 1878-1882 > > #194 LEITZELL-DEVORE > Charles N. Leitzell of Altamont, farmer, 23, b. Center Co. PA, son of G.W. > Leitzell and Matilda Strunk, first, and > Maggie Devore of Summit Twp., 20, b. Effingham Co., dau of James Devore and > Emma Buckner, first. > Mar Dexter, Dec. 5, 1878 by N. B. Cooksey, M.G., > Wit G. W. Leitzell and James Devore. > > 1889-1894 > > #3119 LEITZEL-SAPP > George Leitzel Jr. of Altamont, farmer, 19, b Illinois, son of Geo. W. > Leitzell and Matilda Strunk, first, and > Rosa Sapp of Altamont, 19, b. Iowa, dau of Geo. B. Sapp and Elenora > Pleasants, first. > Mar Altamont, Oct 9, 1892, by J.A. Leatherman, M.G., Wit Ula Sapp. > > 1901-1905 > > This is the marriage of C. N. Leitzell and Maggie Devore's child. > > #1823 LEITZEEL-CROWTHER > Edward Leitzeel of Altamont, minister, 24, b. Illinois, son of C.N. Leitzeel > and Maggie Devore, 1st, and > Lilliam M. Crowther of Dexter, 27, b. Illinois, dau of A. Crowther and Agnes > Rushworth, 1st. > Mar Crowther's, June 4, 1902, by J.B. Ravenscroft, M.G. > Wit Mrs. Crowther and D.W. Crowther. > > John Ehlers and Anna Leitzel's daughter. > > #2941 SCHUMACHER-EHLERS > Charles C. Schumacher of Altamont, R.F. D. mail carrier, 25, b. Altamont, > son of John Schumacher and Bertha Klitzing, 1st, and > Emma Ehlers of Altamont, 25, b. Altamont, dau of John Ehlers and Anna > Leitzel, 1st. > Mar Altamont, November 28, 1907, by Peter Martin M.G. > Wit J. Schumacher and J. Ehlers. > > 1911-1915 > > #3834 HANCHER-LEITZELL > Cecil R. Hancher of Brownstown, IL, brakeman, 23, b. Moberly, MO, son of D. > S. Hancher and Nellie C. Nief, 1st, and > Anna Mabel Litzell of Altamont, IL, 21, b. Altamont, dau of Calvin Leitzell > and Ester Morrison, 1st. > Mar Altamont, January 14, 1912, by A. F. Fannan, Min. > Wit Annie Ehler and John Ehler. > > Not sure how this last one fits in but thought I would include it. Hope > this helps. I thought it was odd that with that many children I could not > find more marriages. Perhaps some were married in Fayette Co. > > Union Cemetery, Mound Twp. > > Leitzell, G. W. b. Jul 10 1829 d. Dec 28 1907 > Matilda, b. Mar 11 1830 d. Dec 3 1900 > > Leitzell, Rolandus H. Son of G. W. b. ------ d. Jul 23 18744 19y 7m > 29d > Maggie M. dau of G.W. b. -------- d. Jan 22 1881 5y 3m 13 d > > There are more Leitzells buried in Union Cemetery, just wasn't sure how > they were related. > > Audrey > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marsha and Steve Leitzell" <sleitzell@mchsi.com> > To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:05 AM > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Information on George W. LEITZELL descendants > > > > I need some help with the descendants of my great-great grandparents, > George W. LEITZELL and Matilda STRUNK LEITZELL, married in Union Co. PA in > 1850 > > They came to Effingham Co. in 1866 from Centre Co. PA and settled on a > farm in Moccasin Twp. just north of present day Altamont. They brought six > children with them; Oliver, James, Rolandus, Charles, Robert (my > great-grandfather) and Anna. They had three more children after coming to > Illinois; Lavinia, George and Margaret. They were prominent members of the > Methodist Episcopal Church (now United Methodist) in Altamont. They are > mentioned in the 1883 History of Effingham County, but no mention is made of > their descendants. > > I know when and where they were all born, but other than Robert and > Anna (who married John Ehlers in Dec., 1881), I have no information on the > rest of them; i.e. where they moved to, who they married, and when they > died. > > Can anyone help me out? > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. >

I think I can help you with some marriages. Effingham Co. Marriages 1878-1882 #194 LEITZELL-DEVORE Charles N. Leitzell of Altamont, farmer, 23, b. Center Co. PA, son of G.W. Leitzell and Matilda Strunk, first, and Maggie Devore of Summit Twp., 20, b. Effingham Co., dau of James Devore and Emma Buckner, first. Mar Dexter, Dec. 5, 1878 by N. B. Cooksey, M.G., Wit G. W. Leitzell and James Devore. 1889-1894 #3119 LEITZEL-SAPP George Leitzel Jr. of Altamont, farmer, 19, b Illinois, son of Geo. W. Leitzell and Matilda Strunk, first, and Rosa Sapp of Altamont, 19, b. Iowa, dau of Geo. B. Sapp and Elenora Pleasants, first. Mar Altamont, Oct 9, 1892, by J.A. Leatherman, M.G., Wit Ula Sapp. 1901-1905 This is the marriage of C. N. Leitzell and Maggie Devore's child. #1823 LEITZEEL-CROWTHER Edward Leitzeel of Altamont, minister, 24, b. Illinois, son of C.N. Leitzeel and Maggie Devore, 1st, and Lilliam M. Crowther of Dexter, 27, b. Illinois, dau of A. Crowther and Agnes Rushworth, 1st. Mar Crowther's, June 4, 1902, by J.B. Ravenscroft, M.G. Wit Mrs. Crowther and D.W. Crowther. John Ehlers and Anna Leitzel's daughter. #2941 SCHUMACHER-EHLERS Charles C. Schumacher of Altamont, R.F. D. mail carrier, 25, b. Altamont, son of John Schumacher and Bertha Klitzing, 1st, and Emma Ehlers of Altamont, 25, b. Altamont, dau of John Ehlers and Anna Leitzel, 1st. Mar Altamont, November 28, 1907, by Peter Martin M.G. Wit J. Schumacher and J. Ehlers. 1911-1915 #3834 HANCHER-LEITZELL Cecil R. Hancher of Brownstown, IL, brakeman, 23, b. Moberly, MO, son of D. S. Hancher and Nellie C. Nief, 1st, and Anna Mabel Litzell of Altamont, IL, 21, b. Altamont, dau of Calvin Leitzell and Ester Morrison, 1st. Mar Altamont, January 14, 1912, by A. F. Fannan, Min. Wit Annie Ehler and John Ehler. Not sure how this last one fits in but thought I would include it. Hope this helps. I thought it was odd that with that many children I could not find more marriages. Perhaps some were married in Fayette Co. Union Cemetery, Mound Twp. Leitzell, G. W. b. Jul 10 1829 d. Dec 28 1907 Matilda, b. Mar 11 1830 d. Dec 3 1900 Leitzell, Rolandus H. Son of G. W. b. ------ d. Jul 23 18744 19y 7m 29d Maggie M. dau of G.W. b. -------- d. Jan 22 1881 5y 3m 13 d There are more Leitzells buried in Union Cemetery, just wasn't sure how they were related. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha and Steve Leitzell" <sleitzell@mchsi.com> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Information on George W. LEITZELL descendants > I need some help with the descendants of my great-great grandparents, George W. LEITZELL and Matilda STRUNK LEITZELL, married in Union Co. PA in 1850 > They came to Effingham Co. in 1866 from Centre Co. PA and settled on a farm in Moccasin Twp. just north of present day Altamont. They brought six children with them; Oliver, James, Rolandus, Charles, Robert (my great-grandfather) and Anna. They had three more children after coming to Illinois; Lavinia, George and Margaret. They were prominent members of the Methodist Episcopal Church (now United Methodist) in Altamont. They are mentioned in the 1883 History of Effingham County, but no mention is made of their descendants. > I know when and where they were all born, but other than Robert and Anna (who married John Ehlers in Dec., 1881), I have no information on the rest of them; i.e. where they moved to, who they married, and when they died. > Can anyone help me out? > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > >

My book, Teutopolis News as Reported in the Effingham Volksblatt 1884-1886 (see: http://www.brumleve.org) has 5 citations with the Poggemann family. One records the marriage of Joseph to Suzanne Clark as mentioned in Wanda's letter. Another tells us that Minna (probably Philomina) Poggemann was to be married in Cincinnati, but it doesn't mention the bridegroom. A B. Poggemann was elected to the city council. An 1886 citation mentions that B. Poggemann was then located in East St. Louis and working for the railroad. Hope this helps! Dorothy Brumleve

You probably already know this. Joseph Poggemann was first married to Susannah Clark 1885, dtr of Mary Sophia Masquelett and Joseph T. J. Clark (Sophia's 2nd husband). Mary Sophia Masquelett was first married to John Wesley Phillips, son of John P. Phillips and Permelia Stallings. Susannah Clark Poggemann probably died 1885-1900, no children that I know of. Joseph Poggemann married Philomena abt 1904. 1880 Effingham Co, IL census search shows some Uptmor family. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/searc h_census.asp 1870 Katrine Uptmore age 18 b IL is dtr of Charles & Elizabeth UPtmor ages 64 & 54 b OLD. Kate UPtmor age 17 b IL is dtr of Louisa Uptmor age 40 b Prussia. Marriages: GRIEVE, JOHN MELCHIOR UPTMORE, CATHERINE 10/07/1870 00B/0050 EFFINGHAM LANSSING, HENRY J UPTMOR, CATHERINA 06/27/1871 00B/0090 EFFINGHAM Marriage & census re Joseph Poggeman: POGGERMAN, JOSEPH CLARK, SUSANAH EFFINGHAM 08/11/1885 1870 Joseph Pogleman in Teutopolis age 10 b IL, parents from Prussia via Ohio. ________________________________________ 1880 Joseph PAGGOMANN age 19, son of Louis PAGGOMANN & Mary PAGGOMANN, b IL abt 1861, Teutopolis, Effingham, IL ________________________________________ 1900 Joseph Poggeman age 38 is living with his mother and brother listed as widow. Born Aug 1861 ________________________________________ 1910 Joseph Poggeman 47 is listed with wife Minnie 32 and two children George 5 and Mary 2. Married twice. Married to Minnie 6 yrs. He born IL parents born Germany. ________________________________________ 1920 Joseph Poggeman 54 is listed with wife Philomina 40 and 5 children, George 14, Mary 11, John 9, Laura 5, Catherine 5. Parents b Prussia & Oldenburg (Germany) except Philomina's mother b IL. ________________________________________ 1930 indexed as Roggeman Joseph 66, Philomina 51, Laura & Katherine 15. Hope this helps, Wanda -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lambert [mailto:ktlkate@extremezone.com] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:48 PM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILEFFING-L] Re: [IL-TEUTOPOLIS] Re: Uptmor Family I was going through some old issues of the Teutopolis Press and in the 2-25-04 issue (Yesteryears).....there is a small blurb about Katherine Poggemann. Here it is: "Katherine Poggemann, 14, who is staying with Carrie Wernsing, had the misfortune of being scalded with boiling coffee on Wednesday February 27 (1929), before noon. Dr. Goebel was called to give treatment. She is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Joe Poggemann." Hope this helps.... Linda (in Arizona) Trish said: > > Hi, > > I'm new at this and am just starting my search. My great grandmother was > > Philomena (Grieves) Poggemann and was married to Joseph H. Poggemann. > Her > > mother and father were John Melchior Grieves and Catherine Elizabeth (Uptmor) > > Grieves. I'm trying to see if anyone has any information as to Catherine > > Elizabeth Uptmor's parents and so on. > > > > Thank you, > > Trish Basinger > > mandt@csinet.net > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

I need some help with the descendants of my great-great grandparents, George W. LEITZELL and Matilda STRUNK LEITZELL, married in Union Co. PA in 1850 They came to Effingham Co. in 1866 from Centre Co. PA and settled on a farm in Moccasin Twp. just north of present day Altamont. They brought six children with them; Oliver, James, Rolandus, Charles, Robert (my great-grandfather) and Anna. They had three more children after coming to Illinois; Lavinia, George and Margaret. They were prominent members of the Methodist Episcopal Church (now United Methodist) in Altamont. They are mentioned in the 1883 History of Effingham County, but no mention is made of their descendants. I know when and where they were all born, but other than Robert and Anna (who married John Ehlers in Dec., 1881), I have no information on the rest of them; i.e. where they moved to, who they married, and when they died. Can anyone help me out?

My great grand mother was Elizabeth Bingaman born November 30, 1846 in Effingham Co. She married Karl (Charles) A Deichman born August 19, 1842 in Hermattshausen, Bavaria, Germany. Six of their children were born in Effingham Co and two in Webster Co., Mo. Both are buried in Floral Cemetery in Cowley Co., Ks. Does anyone have any information of the family of Elizabeth Bingaman or any information on where they might have lived? Charles Deichman's parents lived in the Shumway area and are buried in the Lutheran cemetery just outside Shumway. Dortha Deichman(n) Agnew 8904 Woodlawn Drive Granbury, Tx 76049 kenagnew@charter.net

I was going through some old issues of the Teutopolis Press and in the 2-25-04 issue (Yesteryears).....there is a small blurb about Katherine Poggemann. Here it is: "Katherine Poggemann, 14, who is staying with Carrie Wernsing, had the misfortune of being scalded with boiling coffee on Wednesday February 27 (1929), before noon. Dr. Goebel was called to give treatment. She is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Joe Poggemann." Hope this helps.... Linda (in Arizona) Trish said: > > Hi, > > I'm new at this and am just starting my search. My great grandmother was > > Philomena (Grieves) Poggemann and was married to Joseph H. Poggemann. > Her > > mother and father were John Melchior Grieves and Catherine Elizabeth (Uptmor) > > Grieves. I'm trying to see if anyone has any information as to Catherine > > Elizabeth Uptmor's parents and so on. > > > > Thank you, > > Trish Basinger > > mandt@csinet.net > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

Trish, Lots of info on the Uptmor's back to 1625. Too much to put on the board. I'll send you an ancestor tree attachment in a direct email. Anyone else interested let me know. Tony Mammoser -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > I'm new at this and am just starting my search. My great grandmother was > Philomena (Grieves) Poggemann and was married to Joseph H. Poggemann. Her > mother and father were John Melchior Grieves and Catherine Elizabeth (Uptmor) > Grieves. I'm trying to see if anyone has any information as to Catherine > Elizabeth Uptmor's parents and so on. > > Thank you, > Trish Basinger > mandt@csinet.net >

Tony, Glad you can help with this request. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: <amammoser@comcast.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Re: [IL-TEUTOPOLIS] Re: Uptmor Family > Trish, > > Lots of info on the Uptmor's back to 1625. Too much to put on the board. > I'll send you an ancestor tree attachment in a direct email. Anyone else > interested let me know. > > Tony Mammoser > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Hi, >> I'm new at this and am just starting my search. My great grandmother was >> Philomena (Grieves) Poggemann and was married to Joseph H. Poggemann. Her >> mother and father were John Melchior Grieves and Catherine Elizabeth >> (Uptmor) >> Grieves. I'm trying to see if anyone has any information as to Catherine >> Elizabeth Uptmor's parents and so on. >> >> Thank you, >> Trish Basinger >> mandt@csinet.net >> > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > >

Our relative, Dr. George Halleck Ingram lived, practiced medicine, joined the Civil War and married 4 times in and around Effingham Co., Il. He is buried in the Freemanton Cemetery. I am interested in the children of his 3rd marriage children. My husband's grandfather, James Henry Ingram b: 17 MAR 1864 in Effingham, Il. was Dr. George's son. James married Margaret "Maggie" Chezem on 16 JUNE 1877. James brother Halleck married Charlotte "Lottie" Bracken one month later on 13 JUL 1887. James and Margaret's marriage licence was signed "John C. Bird - a Minister of the Gospel in the M.E. Church". M.E. stands for Methodist Episcopal - which I believe is a Protestant church. My question to the list is: Where can I find the church records for this family? Sure would like to know more about Dr. George's background and perhaps this will be my clue. Thanks in advance for any help. Dianne Ingram in Oregon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

The surname LeCrone is one of the most-represented in the index to my book, _Effingham News as Reported in the Effingham Volksblatt, 1884-1886_, with something like 50 (!) citations, and Dr. John is central among the LeCrones reported on in that German-language newspaper. The citations are too numerous to duplicate here. (The book provides translations.) There are also several LeCrone citations in the book _Teutopolis News as Reported in the Effingham Volksblatt, 1884-1886_, and one citation in _Sigel News_. For more information about the books, please see http://www.brumleve.org. I'm afraid the years covered aren't the ones in which your desired obituaries will appear, but these citations will tell you about the day-to-day lives of these ancestors. Dorothy Brumleve Urbana IL Searching German immigrant surnames, especially Brumleve, Fuelle, Grove, Bierman(n), Aumann, Tegenkamp, Schniederjan.

List members, I have a Hattie G. LeCrone in my data base. She was born 29 Oct 1899 in Watson, Effingham County. Her parents were William M. LeCrone and Ulla V., maiden name recorded as Francisco in another data base. Hattie was recorded in her parents' household in the 1900 census, Jackson, Effingham County, as seven months old. She married Harold (Hal) Franklin Murphy, Aug 1914, in St. Louis, altthough Hal and possibly Hattie were at that time residents of Lovington, Moultrie County, Illinois. I have her death recorded as 3 Mar 1976, Calumet, Michigan, burial in Kellar Cemetery, Lovington, Moultrie County, Illinois. I am related to Hal Murphy, a first cousin twice removed in my Murphy line. I have a couple or three news clippings, and here is one of them, published in the Lovington Reporter: "Mrs. Hal (Harriet G. Lecrone) Murphy, 76, of Lake Linden, Mich., formerly of Lovington, died Wednesday, March 3 in Calumet Public Hospital, Calumet, MI. Funeral services were at 1:30 p.m. Monday in First Christian Church, Lovington. Burial was in Kellar Cemetery, Lovington. Mrs. Murphy was born in Watson. She was a member of the Methodist Church in Lake Linden, MI. She married Hal F. Murphy. He died in 1957. Surviving are a daughter, Mrs. Ramson (Joan) LeBlanc of Lake Linden, MI; sons, Dale S., William W. and James E., all of Lake Linden; sisters, Mrs. Laura Lamkn of Champaign; Mrs. Harold (Mabel) Barnhart of Bement; Mrs. Eunice Powell of Decatur; brother, Fay W. Lecrone of Monticello, William Lecrone of Mahomet; 10 grandchildren and 5 grandchildren." Would like to share information. You may respond to me at robertb810@aol.com or at my now primary email address rsbrownco@aol.com Bob Brown Norwalk, California

Hi Delores, It's looking like Dr. John didn't have much time with his second wife either. There's a marriage for John LeCrone and Sarah A Geary in St. Clair County 1896 in the index. It's the only one that seems possible for Dr. John's second. 1896 would make sense if he wasn't married in the 1895 directory that Audrey found, although I'm not sure why St. Clair. Maybe I should send for it anyway. Thanks for suggesting probate records. I'll definitely give them a try. Gloria On 3/13/05 2:27 PM, Delores Rochelle Walls wrote: > Gloria, > > For all it's worth, I know in my Loy research, no one had been aware of my > ancestor John Henry Loy's (1784-1868) second marriage in his old age, though > I had found a marriage for him with widow Mary (Hatcher) Munday the year > before his death. Many older family members said this was not the same > John, because he never remarried. However, I got access to his probate > records, which named this second wife. I think many had overlooked it, > because his first wife was also named Mary and they didn't put together her > 1855 death date with the later date probate! Anyway, you might try looking > at probate records. > > By the way, I found the marriage of Sophia and Lew in the IL marriage > database. > > On 3/13/05 10:48 AM, "Audrey Garbe" <audrey@effingham.net> wrote: > >> Hi Gloria, >> No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true >> if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account >> of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was >> not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy >> to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. >> I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still >> living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 >> census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John >> Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew >> Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this >> must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I >> checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 >> at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would >> clear that up. I will get back to you. >> >> Audrey >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> >> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM >> Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone >> >> >>> Audrey, >>> >>> I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the >>> newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. >>> John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be >>> interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 >>> and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. >>> >>> Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical >> and >>> Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: >>> "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven >>> children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in >>> the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second >>> marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the >>> first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest >> a >>> course of action? >>> >>> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >>> >>> Gloria >>> >>> >>> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >>> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail >> to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >>> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >>> unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to >> ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >> unsubscribe in the message body. >> >

Hi Audrey, Thank you very much for checking. Sophia (Guyon) would most likely be Lewis LeCrone's wife. Also, in my original message I had Dr. John's birth year wrong. It should have been 1897. Thanks again, Gloria On 3/13/05 11:48 AM, Audrey Garbe wrote: > Hi Gloria, > No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true > if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account > of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was > not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy > to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. > I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still > living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 > census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John > Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew > Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this > must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I > checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 > at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would > clear that up. I will get back to you. > > Audrey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> > To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone > > >> Audrey, >> >> I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the >> newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. >> John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be >> interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 >> and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. >> >> Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical > and >> Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: >> "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven >> children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in >> the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second >> marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the >> first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest > a >> course of action? >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >> unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> > > ______________________________

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I am searching for parents of William Scott Trullinger. 1920 census lived in Mound Twp., Effingham Co., farmer b. ca 1889. He mar. Ethel Belle Oder, dau. of Alvah & Sarah Newman. My mother was a Trullinger, descended from Bernhardt Drollinger, Baden Germany, b. 1545. Name Drollinger dropped by my Gr GrandF Barton Worley Trullinger. Many other spelling variations. Barton b. 1830 Fountain Co. IN, moved to Iowa 1845, d. MO 1919. Will exchange fam. history with researchers. Eldon E. Lawson.

Gloria, For all it's worth, I know in my Loy research, no one had been aware of my ancestor John Henry Loy's (1784-1868) second marriage in his old age, though I had found a marriage for him with widow Mary (Hatcher) Munday the year before his death. Many older family members said this was not the same John, because he never remarried. However, I got access to his probate records, which named this second wife. I think many had overlooked it, because his first wife was also named Mary and they didn't put together her 1855 death date with the later date probate! Anyway, you might try looking at probate records. By the way, I found the marriage of Sophia and Lew in the IL marriage database. On 3/13/05 10:48 AM, "Audrey Garbe" <audrey@effingham.net> wrote: > Hi Gloria, > No, It is not true in the case of prominent citizens. It is also not true > if the person died in a tragic way, then there would usually be an account > of the accident or the way that the person met there death even if there was > not an obituary in the usual sense. So, having said that, I would be happy > to look for the obits of Dr. John Lecrone and his wife. > I did look in the 1880 census for Douglas Twp. and Elizabeth was still > living and their son Lewis was living with them. Since there is no 1890 > census I checked the 1895 city directory for Effingham and found Dr. John > Lecrone living at 622 W. Fayette along with Mrs. Sophia Lecrone and Lew > Lecrone, painter. So unless you know of another relative named Sophia, this > must be his second wife. Of course this could also be the wife of Lewis. I > checked the IL death index and there is a Sophia Lecrone that died 1-27-1936 > at age 75. I will see if I can find an obit for her also, maybe that would > clear that up. I will get back to you. > > Audrey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria Carbaugh" <whynot@rmi.net> > To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:16 AM > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Dr. John LeCrone > > >> Audrey, >> >> I noticed that you said early obituaries were not usually published in the >> newspapers. Would this have been true of prominent citizens such as Dr. >> John LeCrone and his wife Elizabeth (Allen) LeCrone as well? I would be >> interested in their obituaries, but they would be from around 28 Jul 1899 >> and 8 Jan 1892 respectively. >> >> Also, just yesterday I got a look at Bateman's 1910 Illinois Historical > and >> Effingham County Biographical. On page 662, regarding Dr. John LeCrone: >> "In 1835 he married Miss Elizabeth Allen of Virginia, who bore him eleven >> children, but later died and he married again." I didn't find anything in >> the Illinois State Marriage Index that looked possible for this second >> marriage if Elizabeth is indeed the wife who died in 1892. This is the >> first mention of a second wife that I have come across. Can you suggest > a >> course of action? >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== >> If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the >> digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or >> unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to > ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. >