You would need to contact Beth Wattelet about those books. Sometimes they have some at the library and sometimes not. E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate B." <katekb@consolidated.net> To: <ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] books?? > At one time there were reprints of the 1883 & 1910 Effingham County > History > books by the D. A. R. > > Are those still available, as the Effingham Genealogical & Historical > Society do not have those for sale. Where or who can they be purchased at? > > Thank you, > Kate Keller Bourland > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > > >

I've seen them from time to time on eBay. And recently there have been CD-ROMs on eBay with digitized versions of these sorts of books, but I haven't checked to see if they have Effingham Co. yet. "Kate B." wrote: > > At one time there were reprints of the 1883 & 1910 Effingham County History > books by the D. A. R. > > Are those still available, as the Effingham Genealogical & Historical > Society do not have those for sale. Where or who can they be purchased at? > > Thank you, > Kate Keller Bourland > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

Yep, I have two separate searches. One for "Effingham" and one for "Illinois". With those two searches, I get just about everything that pertains to Effingham and the local area. I also have a search for "Jasper" because some of my people lived on the border between Effingham and Jasper Counties. I get an email from Ebay whenever any of those keywords show up. You'd be surprised what all I've amassed over the years. Soda pop bottles from the Effingham Bottling Company, bottles from Underriner's Drug Store, dairy bottles from the area, post cards.....well you get the idea......as well as genealogy stuff. One thing still eludes me.....I need a quart milk bottle from Koester's Dairy....and yes, I have a search for "Koester" <grin> I have the creamer, 1/2 pint and pint....still need the quart. Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: thehinge@magpage.com [mailto:thehinge@magpage.com] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:58 AM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Ebay searches with keywords: > > It's actually pretty easy to check if any auctions occur > with certain keywords in them, Dorothy. You get an email if > any auction matches those keywords, I believe. Linda uses > Effingham and various other words so she doesn't miss > them, huh, cousin. You'll get hits for Effingham boots and > the Effingham in Georgia occasionally...so some won't be > relevant. > > > Matt Smallwood > > > > On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:37:30 -0500 > Dorothy Brumleve <brumleve@insightbb.com> wrote: > > I've seen them from time to time on eBay. And recently > > there have been > > CD-ROMs on eBay with digitized versions of these sorts of > > books, but I > > haven't checked to see if they have Effingham Co. yet. > > > > "Kate B." wrote: > > > > > > At one time there were reprints of the 1883 & 1910 > > Effingham County History > > > books by the D. A. R. > > > > > > Are those still available, as the Effingham > > Genealogical & Historical > > > Society do not have those for sale. Where or who can > > they be purchased at? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Kate Keller Bourland > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > > > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe > > from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com > > or (for the > > > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put > > the word subscribe or > > > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from > > it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or > > (for the > > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > > word subscribe or > > unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. > http://www.nni.com/ > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

At one time there were reprints of the 1883 & 1910 Effingham County History books by the D. A. R. Are those still available, as the Effingham Genealogical & Historical Society do not have those for sale. Where or who can they be purchased at? Thank you, Kate Keller Bourland

Ooops. Sorry. Meant that the cemetery books were available. I'm not aware of any other DAR publications for sale. At any rate, they'd have to contact me to get me to put the info on there, and they haven't. Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Kate B. [mailto:katekb@consolidated.net] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:19 AM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] books?? > > At one time there were reprints of the 1883 & 1910 Effingham County History > books by the D. A. R. > > Are those still available, as the Effingham Genealogical & Historical > Society do not have those for sale. Where or who can they be purchased at? > > Thank you, > Kate Keller Bourland > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

That's on the web page......on the lookups page "above" the genealogy society info. Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Kate B. [mailto:katekb@consolidated.net] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:19 AM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] books?? > > At one time there were reprints of the 1883 & 1910 Effingham County History > books by the D. A. R. > > Are those still available, as the Effingham Genealogical & Historical > Society do not have those for sale. Where or who can they be purchased at? > > Thank you, > Kate Keller Bourland > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

How could I get access to the 44 reels of microfilmed county records? I am especially interested in the period of 1833-1855, Thomas and Permelia (Stallings) Levitt and their son, Lorenzo Dow Levitt. Also John Wesley Phillips and his wife, Mary Sophia (Masquelett) Phillips. Thanks, Wanda in Texas -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lambert [mailto:ktlkate@extremezone.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:41 AM To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Partial Update to Effingham County GenWeb pages... I've been able to do a partial update to the Effingham County Genweb site today. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Check out the home page for news about 44 reels of microfilmed county records from 1833 to 1973 now at the Helen Matthes Library in Effingham. There are new reunions listed. There is an updated list (with prices) of the publications that the genealogy society has for sale. There are some new additions, so be sure to check it out. I'm still working on the surnames and queries...there are some there, but I have more to do. Linda ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

YAAAAYYYYY !!!! Dixie Lea in K.C... ustabe JACKSON... ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Lambert To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Updating Effingham County GenWeb Page I'm in the process of updating the Effingham County Gen Web page. I apologize that it takes me so long to get around to doing the updating. One of the things I'm finding is that some of the queries probably would get better exposure and a better chance of getting answered if I just forward them to the mailing list for you all to see and to respond if you can. So..starting today, if I feel that a query would best be taken care of on the mailing list, I'll put it out there. Depending on the content, I may also put it on the web site. I can tell from the counter I have on the web site that not many people go to the queries compared to the number of people all over the country that are on our mailing list. Be prepared for quite a few in the next days as I work through my backlog. I'll continue putting the surnames on the web site, as I can tell that many more people go there to find someone else researching their surname(s). As always, if you have any ideas on how to make this work better, let me know. Linda ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

I've been able to do a partial update to the Effingham County Genweb site today. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Check out the home page for news about 44 reels of microfilmed county records from 1833 to 1973 now at the Helen Matthes Library in Effingham. There are new reunions listed. There is an updated list (with prices) of the publications that the genealogy society has for sale. There are some new additions, so be sure to check it out. I'm still working on the surnames and queries...there are some there, but I have more to do. Linda

-----Original Message----- From: Janice Hawkins [mailto:normhawkins@texoma.net] To: Linda Kralman Lambert Subject: Effingham County Query Name: Janice Hawkins Emailto:normhawkins@texoma.net URL: Looking for parents of ISABELL MOORE BRIGHT, wife of DAVID BRIGHT in your 1860 census. Next door is a MARGARET MOORE of Ireland which is a possible parent but no father is listed. How can I verify? thank you Jan

-----Original Message----- From: John Wolfe [mailto:computerwolf@yahoo.com] To: Linda Kralman Lambert Subject: Effingham County Query Name: John Wolfe Emailto:computerwolf@yahoo.com URL: Looking for information on George B. WILSON, (b. abt 1849 in Ohio), married to Mary A. (b. abt 1849 in Ohio), had 4 children: Idea M. WILSON (b. abt 1870 in Illinois) Charles W. WILSON (b. abt 1871 in Illinois) Florence F. WILSON (b. abt 1874 in Illinois) Jennie Agnes WILSON, (b. February 27, 1877 in Effingham, Effingham Co., Illinois) The 1880 Census puts them in Lucas Twp., Effingham Co., Illinois. George might have had a brother named Edward WILSON who was born in England in 1846. I found the following at http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/Genealogy/MatDeathSearchServlet City of Mattoon (Coles County) Death Certificate Registers Index, 1899-1918 CERT # NAME DATE 00390 WILSON, GEORGE 02/10/1904 Would appreciate any assistance in this matter.

Here's another....... -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Schroeder [mailto:kschroeder@mcswireless.net] Hello Linda, Christian was born February 5, 1805. I believe he lived in Effingham county Illinois...maybe even born in Germany. He married Louisa Brahn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lambert" <ktlkate@extremezone.com> To: "'Kathy Soltwedel Schroeder'" <kschroeder@mcswireless.net> Subject: RE: Effingham County Query > Can you expound on this a bit? Can you give us an approximate time frame? > Parents, descendants, anything?????? > > Linda > -----Original Message----- > > > Name: Kathy Soltwedel Schroeder > Emailto:kschroeder@mcswireless.net > URL: > > I am looking for Christain Soltwedel records; birth and adult home area. > >

Here's one... Linda _____ From: Marilyn Armstrong [mailto:mlarmstrong@fuse.net] Linda, Sorry, let me be a little more specific. Joseph b. abt. 1816, d. abt April, 1874, Angela b. abt. 1820?, d. around April 23, 1874 (I found an article in the Effingham Democrat that said she died two weeks after her husband). They lived in Douglas Township, the post office was Effingham. Their children were Clement, Anna and Francis. Joseph and Angelina were born in Oldenburg, Germany. I was specifically looking for a burial place, or maybe names of their parents. The son Clement later moved to Indiana, and the two girls become nuns. Hope this makes it more clear. Marilyn Armstrong _____ From: Marilyn Armstrong [mailto:mlarmstrong@fuse.net] Subject: Effingham County Lookup Linda, I am looking for any information you might have on Joseph and Angela Bussing. They were Catholic and died around 1873 and 1874. Thank you in advance. Marilyn Armstrong mlarmstrong@fuse.net

I'm in the process of updating the Effingham County Gen Web page. I apologize that it takes me so long to get around to doing the updating. One of the things I'm finding is that some of the queries probably would get better exposure and a better chance of getting answered if I just forward them to the mailing list for you all to see and to respond if you can. So..starting today, if I feel that a query would best be taken care of on the mailing list, I'll put it out there. Depending on the content, I may also put it on the web site. I can tell from the counter I have on the web site that not many people go to the queries compared to the number of people all over the country that are on our mailing list. Be prepared for quite a few in the next days as I work through my backlog. I'll continue putting the surnames on the web site, as I can tell that many more people go there to find someone else researching their surname(s). As always, if you have any ideas on how to make this work better, let me know. Linda

Even when it seems that things are under-control . . . trouble can still happen. One of my great-grandmother's sisters became pregnant, 1880's, by an out-of-towner. A marriage DID take place, and everyone thought everything was settled. However, a month later, the new husband disappeared. Kaput! If one didn't have access to a horse or wagon or buggy, the only way out of town was by an I.C. train. Her bro's did some searching when he hadn't returned home one night for supper - or then, breakfast. When asked, the stationmaster related that the husband had purchased a ticket to Chicago and had checked 2 suitcases, several days earlier, didn't they know? On the day-in-question, he had just boarded the train and kept-on-going to Chicago. The girl was born, with her father's last name, so all was well. Several years later, a divorce was arranged -- both parties wished to end this -- and later both did remarry. Her children always carried the different last names -- although it called attention to divorce in a time when that wasn't done. The abandonment was a well-known local story, but the part leading up to it was a BIG family secret. It's also said that the daughter and her father never met, even though his whereabouts in Chicago was known. On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Linda Lambert wrote: Probably the same thing that would have happened in the 1960's. She would go "on vacation", probably to a distant relative, have the baby, give it up for adoption, and then return home after her "vacation". Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Dianne Ingram [mailto:diannein@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:37 PM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] What would life had been like in 1885 > > What would life had been like for a girl 19 yrs. old > who was pregnant but not married in the year 1885? > > Would she be kept at home - hidden? > Would she be shipped off with an excuse for her > missing time? > > How would she be treated when she returned? > > Does anyone have stories pertaining to this situation? > > Dianne Ingram in Oregon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail > to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e- mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

Probably the same thing that would have happened in the 1960's. She would go "on vacation", probably to a distant relative, have the baby, give it up for adoption, and then return home after her "vacation". Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Dianne Ingram [mailto:diannein@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:37 PM > To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] What would life had been like in 1885 > > What would life had been like for a girl 19 yrs. old > who was pregnant but not married in the year 1885? > > Would she be kept at home - hidden? > Would she be shipped off with an excuse for her > missing time? > > How would she be treated when she returned? > > Does anyone have stories pertaining to this situation? > > Dianne Ingram in Oregon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING- > L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

My g-grandfather and his siblings were left orphans about 1874, the children were parceled out to various relatives and friends. His sister Julia, was 15 and the year was 1879 when an article appeared in the local newspaper saying that she had filed "bastardry" charges against a male person in the community. The newspaper made light of it and remarked "the young man went west to grow up with the country". It did not take much investigation to find that the "young" man was actually her uncle, married to her mother's sister and that he was not a young man, but was in fact, 48 years old and had raped his 15 year old niece. Julia gave birth, kept her child, worked as a maid and eventually worked for a family taking care of a houseful of children and their mother until her death. She eventually married the widowed father and together raised his children, her illegitimate child and several children of their own. Her child born of the rape grew up under the name of her adopted father, she married and had a family. I do not think she ever really knew of the circumstances of her conception. When I started researching the family in 1990 I tried to make connections with various members of her descendents, I believe that I found a direct connection, and that family did indeed want the genealogy of Julia's ancestors. To my dismay, this line of family eventually denied any relationship to Julia's child. So in spite of the fact that she had descended from a rather well connected and famous line, my hunt for her descendants has ended without any sharing of living descendants. They however, do have the ancestry and descendants of the rest of the family so maybe someday someone will be able to overlook this child's sad beginning. Julia unburdened herself to her own children before her death, and her own grandchild, Ruth Childers Seamands wrote an historically correct but genealogically fictional book called "Cast a Long Shadow" several years ago detailing her grandmothers saga. Ruth and I became reacquainted after a friend of the family read the book and called me to relate that she thought this was my "missing" family member. It was indeed, and I called Ruth to talk, in the conversation, I related to Ruth the names and descendants of Julia's real, not fictional siblings and Ruth in turn, revealed the story of her wonderful family that had grown from Julia and her husband. We ar all quite proud of Julia and her ability to overcome her uncle's criminal behavior. Julia's grandmother was Elizabeth Clemens King, a first cousin of Samuel Clemens, grandfather of his namesake Samuel Clemens/Mark Twain. Julia's own descendants are of an equally fine line of people who started their lives in Pope and Williamson Counties. Coincidently, Ruth Seamands book is still available through the Williamson Co. Historical Society if anyone is interested.

Nice story... One of my ancestors had a 2 year old when she married... and it was not his... He knew it, though... I think it was a symbiotic marriage... Dixie Lea in K.C... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Brumleve To: ILEFFING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] What would life had been like in 1885 I sure do. My great-grandmother became pregnant by my great-grandfather when she was 17 years old. She was very excited and she made plans to marry. He made no such plans. He thought he could do better. He was from a wealthy family and she was from one of more modest means. She stayed with her parents. She had the baby and began to raise her. He apparently didn't find anyone who wanted to marry a man who had an out-of-wedlock baby, and eventually (7 years later), he finally did marry her. They raised a total of 8 children. The oldest, the out-of-wedlock child, was considered less than a genuine descendant by the subsequent children. She was treated as an outcast by them. They called themselves the "real" children. In tracing our family history, I've had trouble locating her after she married and left town. And there was only one picture of this aunt in my mother's photograph album. She wasn't a big part of the lives of any of her siblings as far as I can tell. There was always an edge to my mother's voice when she spoke of her, and she only spoke of her when identifying the picture. Otherwise, I'd never heard of her. The legacy of illegitimacy continued to stigmatize members of the family as long as they remained in town. My mother, who was the daughter of the first legitimate child in that family, grew up with a family "secret" that was well known to the entire community. She was clearly embarrassed by it, and my father says she was teased about the "bastard" in the family. When she and her sister moved away from the community, they felt secure that the secret would die with them. It didn't. I got interested in genealogy and pursued it despite my mother's adamant objections. Of course, I discovered this secret, at least parts of it, and after my mother died, my father revealed the rest to us. I think this event and the secrecy surrounding it has colored the way the women in our family handle themselves for generations past the out-of-wedlock birth, and I bet many of them would agree with me, even those who don't know the secret. It has made for a family of very strong women. Dorothy Brumleve Dianne Ingram wrote: > > What would life had been like for a girl 19 yrs. old > who was pregnant but not married in the year 1885? > > Would she be kept at home - hidden? > Would she be shipped off with an excuse for her > missing time? > > How would she be treated when she returned? > > Does anyone have stories pertaining to this situation? > > Dianne Ingram in Oregon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body. ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body.

I sure do. My great-grandmother became pregnant by my great-grandfather when she was 17 years old. She was very excited and she made plans to marry. He made no such plans. He thought he could do better. He was from a wealthy family and she was from one of more modest means. She stayed with her parents. She had the baby and began to raise her. He apparently didn't find anyone who wanted to marry a man who had an out-of-wedlock baby, and eventually (7 years later), he finally did marry her. They raised a total of 8 children. The oldest, the out-of-wedlock child, was considered less than a genuine descendant by the subsequent children. She was treated as an outcast by them. They called themselves the "real" children. In tracing our family history, I've had trouble locating her after she married and left town. And there was only one picture of this aunt in my mother's photograph album. She wasn't a big part of the lives of any of her siblings as far as I can tell. There was always an edge to my mother's voice when she spoke of her, and she only spoke of her when identifying the picture. Otherwise, I'd never heard of her. The legacy of illegitimacy continued to stigmatize members of the family as long as they remained in town. My mother, who was the daughter of the first legitimate child in that family, grew up with a family "secret" that was well known to the entire community. She was clearly embarrassed by it, and my father says she was teased about the "bastard" in the family. When she and her sister moved away from the community, they felt secure that the secret would die with them. It didn't. I got interested in genealogy and pursued it despite my mother's adamant objections. Of course, I discovered this secret, at least parts of it, and after my mother died, my father revealed the rest to us. I think this event and the secrecy surrounding it has colored the way the women in our family handle themselves for generations past the out-of-wedlock birth, and I bet many of them would agree with me, even those who don't know the secret. It has made for a family of very strong women. Dorothy Brumleve Dianne Ingram wrote: > > What would life had been like for a girl 19 yrs. old > who was pregnant but not married in the year 1885? > > Would she be kept at home - hidden? > Would she be shipped off with an excuse for her > missing time? > > How would she be treated when she returned? > > Does anyone have stories pertaining to this situation? > > Dianne Ingram in Oregon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ==== ILEFFING Mailing List ==== > If you want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to ILEFFING-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the > digest list) ILEFFING-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or > unsubscribe in the message body.

What would life had been like for a girl 19 yrs. old who was pregnant but not married in the year 1885? Would she be kept at home - hidden? Would she be shipped off with an excuse for her missing time? How would she be treated when she returned? Does anyone have stories pertaining to this situation? Dianne Ingram in Oregon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com