>From another list: I hope you enjoy this as much as I did, Jean THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR NAMES: (1). Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph, Josiah, Abel, Richard, Thomas, William (2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia, May (3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children. (4) Thou shalt, after naming your children from the above lists, call them by strange nicknames such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, Sukey.---making them difficult to trace. (5) Thou shalt NOT use any middle names on any legal documents or census reports, and only where necessary, you may use only initials on legal documents. (6)Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so that your surname can be spelled, or misspelled, in various ways: Hicks, Hicks, Hix, Hixe, Hucks, Kicks (7) Thou shalt, after no more then 3 generations, make sure that all family records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, or buried so that NO future trace of them can be found. (8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors, & vague innuendo regarding your place origination (A) you may have come from : England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales....or Iran. (B) you may have American Indian ancestry of the______tribe...... (C) You may have descended from one of three brothers that came over from______ (9) Thou shalt leave NO cemetery records, or headstones with legible names. (10) Thou shalt leave NO family Bible with records of birth, marriages, or deaths. (11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James Albert, thou must make all the rest of thy records in the names of Albert, AJ, JA, AL, Bert, Bart, or Alfred. (12) Thou must also flip thy parent's names when making reference to them, although "Unknown" or a blank line is an acceptable alternative. And my own personal addition: Thou shalt name at least 5 generations of males, and dozens of their cousins with identical names in order to totally confuse researchers. ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Was different spelling variations tried? My great grandfather last name is not spelled correctly. Bernard Niebrugge as marriage record states Bernard Niebrigger. Anna F. Wolters as marriage record states Anna F. Walters.

Hello, I don't think all of the marriage records have been recorded on the Illinois site. Try again at a later time. Jane -----Original Message----- From: MIRIAM MASON <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Marriage Record >Yes, I have tried this site. However the records stop at 1900. No help to >me in searching this couple. Thank anyway for your response. >Miriam >----- Original Message ----- >From: "NANA & PAPA" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:32 AM >Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Marriage Record > > >> Have you tried IL site www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/marriage.html? >> >> You can search the whole state for the marriage of the bride or groom. >> >> Sande >> >> MIRIAM MASON wrote: >> >> > I am in need of your help. I am looking for the record of the marriage >of my grandparents, Elmer F. Johnson and Margirie (Madge) Totten Hughes. >Marriage date 1908. The couple eloped from Decatur area and no one in the >family remembers the county where the marriage took place. If you could >check the marriage records for this county, I would be very grateful. Thank >you in advance. >> > Miriam Johnson-Mason >> > [email protected] >> >> > >

Miriam, Elmer F. Johnson and Margirie Totten Hughes are not listed in the Effingham County Marriages 1906-1910. Audrey Garbe [email protected] ---------- > From: MIRIAM MASON <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILEFFING-L] Marriage Record > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:33 PM > > I am in need of your help. I am looking for the record of the marriage of my grandparents, Elmer F. Johnson and Margirie (Madge) Totten Hughes. Marriage date 1908. The couple eloped from Decatur area and no one in the family remembers the county where the marriage took place. If you could check the marriage records for this county, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance. > Miriam Johnson-Mason > [email protected]

Yes, I have tried this site. However the records stop at 1900. No help to me in searching this couple. Thank anyway for your response. Miriam ----- Original Message ----- From: "NANA & PAPA" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Marriage Record > Have you tried IL site www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/marriage.html? > > You can search the whole state for the marriage of the bride or groom. > > Sande > > MIRIAM MASON wrote: > > > I am in need of your help. I am looking for the record of the marriage of my grandparents, Elmer F. Johnson and Margirie (Madge) Totten Hughes. Marriage date 1908. The couple eloped from Decatur area and no one in the family remembers the county where the marriage took place. If you could check the marriage records for this county, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance. > > Miriam Johnson-Mason > > [email protected] > >

I am in need of your help. I am looking for the record of the marriage of my grandparents, Elmer F. Johnson and Margirie (Madge) Totten Hughes. Marriage date 1908. The couple eloped from Decatur area and no one in the family remembers the county where the marriage took place. If you could check the marriage records for this county, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance. Miriam Johnson-Mason [email protected]

Have you tried IL site www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/marriage.html? You can search the whole state for the marriage of the bride or groom. Sande MIRIAM MASON wrote: > I am in need of your help. I am looking for the record of the marriage of my grandparents, Elmer F. Johnson and Margirie (Madge) Totten Hughes. Marriage date 1908. The couple eloped from Decatur area and no one in the family remembers the county where the marriage took place. If you could check the marriage records for this county, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance. > Miriam Johnson-Mason > [email protected]

Hi Effingham list, I'm looking for this RICE family in Effingham area. My grandmother: Susan Florence RICE b. 1884 Edgewood, Effingham, IL d. 1948 Paxton, Ford IL gr grandfather:: John C. RICE b. 1850 KY d. 1903 Edgewood, Effingham, IL gr gr grandfather: Thomas C. RICE b. 1822? ???KY? Family History: John C. RICE m. Lavina Arabelle "Belle" MOWERY 1877 their children: William Edward RICE "Carney" b. 1878 Edgewood, Effingham, IL d. 1919 William/Carney traveled with the Carnival, was run over by an hay bailer when 6 yrs old, had wooden leg. lead a some what troubled life, had been in reform school, later in life worked as a brakman for the IL Central RR. Charles RICE (could Thomas father been named Charles? thus the reasoning behind the C. in Thomas and Johns names, and this son named after a great grandfather?) b. 1881 Edgewood, Effingham, IL was a fireman in Decatur where he lived. m. Erda Sterns/Stearns Erda was a school teacher. Susan Florence RICE (*my grandmother) b. 1884 Edgewood, Effingham, IL d. 1948 m. Harvey HYDE 1903 Susan was the mother of 13 children all born in southern IL. Susan was living with her daughter in Paxton when she died. Alma RICE b.1898? m John Chaplin Fredrick b. 1900 and Annie b. 1902 died as infants. Mary Ellen RICE "Ellie" b.? m. Jackson ROSE Always searching, always appreciate any assistance, Marcia [email protected]

in one of Effingham Co. Gen. Soc. book is printed this : Condensory pays out thousands of dollars for milk. (from Effingham Democrat, March 17, 1914, given to the Effingham Regional Historical Society by Arthur Baumann of Gorsyth, Mo.) The following is a list of Farmers who received ov $50.00 for milk brought to the condensory during the month of February, 1911: Samuel DeBoer -- $356.89 Joe Aulenbrock -- $321.60 Clem Dosenbrock -- $285.58 Fred Schroeder -- $299.95 Ben Starman -- $274.28 G. W. Hirtzel -- $288.13 B. E. Loy -- $291.91 Joe Felihoelter -- $312.40 J. H. Diehl -- $265.56 Jno. Haarman -- $267.21 A. Niebrugge -- $236.80 A. F. Jansen -- $228.43 L. Will -- $205.54 Chas. Martin -- $228.11 Henry Soltwedel -- $197.69 H. H. Haarman -- $188.62 J. L. Schmidt -- $177.08 Anton Braun -- $163.94 Weiss Bros. -- $157.94 J. W. Sligar -- $158.57 Ferd Wente -- $147.04 B. Kralman -- $143.98 E. G. Koester -- $149.98 Geo. Meyer -- $141.93 Fred Esche -- $139.24 Jno. Dosenbrock -- $137.46 H. Lohman -- $136.76 Aug. Martin -- $124.32 Frank Koester -- $123.76 S. P. Ramsey -- $122.13 B. Goldstein -- $120.65 Anton Koester -- $152.10 Mrs. C. Schmoe -- $114.85 Joe Janson -- $114.66 Jno. Feldhake -- $113.07 Jno. Marxman -- $111.43 Jacob Zeigler -- $109.26 Jno. Kors -- $107.73 Wm. Koester -- $106.97 B. Wesselman -- $101.57 B. Niebrugge -- $104.05 Esplage Bros. -- $105.48 G. Hoefliger -- $100.00 J. B. Goeckner -- $97.20 H. Willenborg -- $96.15 H. Bruver -- $96.94 Jno. Dust -- $95.63 Jno. C. Wente -- $95.09 H. Kralman -- $93.65 Effingham County Genealogy Society pg.39 Vol II No4

Where is Masquelet's Place? One of the most fascinating things about history is to dig up something and not being able to find out much about it. The following is a case in point and it occurs very near Effingham and Teutopolis. In reading Hartman's book Diocese of Springfield in Illinois Diamond Jubilee 1853-1928 I came across the following passages: "One of the oldest parishes of the diocese, next to Quincy, and Ste. Marie, is Teutopolis. Its history dates back to 1833. An organized body of Catholic Cincinnatians, who had been prospecting out west, had stated a colony there in 1837. They purchased a tract of land comprising 10,000 acres at $1.25 per acre. With the first settlers came a priest, Reverend Joseph Masquelet, a native of Elsace. The first Divine Service was held in this new settlement towards the end of November 1839. The following year, 1840, a small log church was built, 32x28, and dedicated to St. Peter. Friction and dissension, however, soon broke forth which induced the pastor to build a second log church at a distance of one and a half miles from the former. It was built on his own land, "Masquelet Place." The internal parish dissentions were, however, not allayed. On the contrary, they continued to grow for many a year, causing much discomfiture and annoyance to the various pastors, making the parish rather notorious for its stubborn opposition to the efforts of the clergy. Father Masquelet, tired of the ill feeling and opposition manifested toward him, left Teutopolis in 1842 for New Orleans. There he was assigned a parish and built a fine church. Twice he returned on a visit to Teutopolis, in November 1855, and again in the seventies, when he donated a set of costly vestments to the parish. After his last visit he returned to his native land, where he soon died." 1 "Pastor: Rev. Joseph Masquelet, (November 1839-43). According to Clem Uptmor II, His father, Clemet Uptmor I, Messrs. Waschefort and Bergfeld obtained the consent of Father Masquelet while they were yet in Cincinnati to be their pastor in the new colony. According to Mr. C. Nake, a brother-in -law of Father Masquelet, the priest lived with his parents near Greenup for two years and from there alternately attended Piquet's Settlement (St. Marie) and Teutopolis. He now moved with his parents to Teutopolis. At first he seems to have boarded at Ginnevers, (Judge Barney Overbeck's Farm) where Father Masquelet also baptized several children. In February 1840, he began to cut trees for the log church, the exact dimensions of which are unknown, probably being 32x38 feet. The log church was surmounted by a low steeple in, which hung a bell, shipped from Cincinnati and said to have weighed seven hundred pounds. When Father Masquelet got into trouble about his salary, the people complained to the Right Reverend Celestine De. La St. Hailandiere, then bishop of the diocese, that the Pastor did not know Low German which a pastor at Teutopolis needed because the old people understood High German but imperfectly. And the priest must needs explain some things to their children in Low German. Father Masquelet now built a church one and one-half miles west of Teutopolis and started a cemetery there. Charles Eversman hints that perhaps he would eventually have started a town there; but this is uncertain. Father Joseph Masquelet labored later on in New Orleans, Louisiana, and eventually returned to France (Alsace). He came back again to visit Teutopolis first in 1855 and again in the seventies (from France) and gave a sum of money and a number of vestments to the Teutopolis church. Soon after his return to his native country he passed away." 2 Never before have I found a reference to "Masqulet's Place" as being a settlement or a church before.. One and one-half miles West of Teutopolis place it just South of the present Crystal Banquet Hall. In looking at the land patents I find that Masqulet's did title land from the government in Section 17 in Teutopolis township. However this is one and one-half miles East not West of Teutopolis as Eversman states. My question is where is this land? Was Eversman incorrect and it was on Masqulet's parents ground. What became of the church building and the cemetery? Where the bodies taken up and removed to the present church cemetery? Someone in Effingham County may have this information on their deed but as of right now it is a mystery. 1. Joseph J. Thompson, editor, Diocese of Springfield in Illinois Diamond Jubilee 1853-1928 (Hartman Printing Company, Springfield, Illinois 1928), p. 666 2. ibid pp. 185-198 Check out the following: http//www.effingham.net/kperkins for more information if you are interested. Sincerely, Kevin Perkins Agriculture and Computer Technology Beecher City Jr/Sr High School

There are 7 of us that are collecting postcards of Effingham County, IL. The towns that postcards are needed are: Effingham Teutopolis Montrose Dieterich Elliotstown Watson Mason Funkhouse Keptown Altamont Shumway Beecher City What we are planning is to put together a Postcard book with history of what each postcard picture is. Our goal is to have it all completed by the fall of 2001as it takes time to research some of the old cards and we want them correct. We already have several on Altamont, Effingham and about 20 of Mason but 1 or 2 of the other towns. Some we do not have any of. We do need them before the 26th of this month. As that is when we will select the cards to be published. So look and see if you might have any that you might want to see published about our county, Effingham. Thank you, Kate Keller Bourland 808 W. Shenandoah Ave. Effingham, IL 62401-4512 [email protected] BTW: I do have permission from our list mom to send this out to you.

Kevin; Do you know of anyone researching the Griffith family name in Effingham or Fayette Co? Lowell Sullivan-Weatherford, Texas Kevin Perkins wrote: > Dear Linda and List Members: > > Thank you so much for your kind introduction to "my" webpage about > Effingham County history. I have had so many emails coming in that I > thought I would share some answers to questions with list members. I am a > fourth generation Effingham County resident. My parents still live on the > family farm and my farm adjoins theirs to the South. My wife's family came > to Effingham County in 1839 and their family farm is only 2 miles from > ours. Much of the material I use, very little of it published, comes from > their and my families collection. > > I was/am the senior history teacher at Beecher City Unit 20, untill > this January when I resumed the Technology Coordinator duties for my > district. The idea for this project stemmed from a joint meeting of the > Effingham County History teachers meeting held in the Spring of 1999. > While the project is still in the development stage I forged ahead on my > own. I look forward to moving this archieve to the Klute Server housed at > Effingham High School just for this purpose. Hopefully, my colloughes will > be joining in on this project and I hope that any of the good folk on this > list will join in as well. > > > As to problems with the links try start at the index first > http://www.effingham.net/kperkins this will stop the blank pages. > > Sincerely, > > > > Kevin E. Perkins > Agriculture and American History > Beecher City School District #20

Ok.....I just knew this was going to happen <grin>. Some of us were going to misunderstand Kevin's offer. Remember, he is just going to share history tidbits with us. He has not volunteered to do lookups or query requests. If you have queries, or questions, post them to the entire mail list and do not direct them to Kevin. The mail list is for that purpose, as is the Effingham County GenWeb site. Post your surnames there or your queries there......or to this mail list. If you have any questions, direct them to me...... Linda (the listmom) Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List

Regarding Netscape. You can download for free. go to www.netscape.com sande "matthew w. smallwood" wrote: > Hi Joanie, > > How are you doing? Is it Kevin Perkin's website that you can't view? One > thing that occurs to me is that Kevin's site has frames and needs a > frame-capable browser (at least the 4.0 versions of Netscape Navigator > or Microsoft Internet Explorer) to enable viewing. Just log on to home. > netscape.com or www.microsoft.com to download the free newest > versionsof each browser. Netscape will even send you a cd of the > software for a small fee. No three or four hour downloads. Whew... > > Talk to you soon, Matt Smallwood > > Joanie mendenhall wrote: > > > As a daughter of a farmer this page brought back memories. > > > > When I click on the go to Homepage. the page came up blank. I was > > wondering is this because this is webtv or is it blank? > > > > I am looking for descendants of Louis Niebrugge married Laura Schutte; > > Anton Niebrugge married 1st Anna Fellhoelter, 2nd Mary Streicker; > > Bernard Niebrugge married 1st Anna Wolters/ Walters, 2nd Mary Ann ( > > Anna Marie) Lacher Frey . > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Hi Joanie, How are you doing? Is it Kevin Perkin's website that you can't view? One thing that occurs to me is that Kevin's site has frames and needs a frame-capable browser (at least the 4.0 versions of Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer) to enable viewing. Just log on to home. netscape.com or www.microsoft.com to download the free newest versionsof each browser. Netscape will even send you a cd of the software for a small fee. No three or four hour downloads. Whew... Talk to you soon, Matt Smallwood Joanie mendenhall wrote: > As a daughter of a farmer this page brought back memories. > > When I click on the go to Homepage. the page came up blank. I was > wondering is this because this is webtv or is it blank? > > I am looking for descendants of Louis Niebrugge married Laura Schutte; > Anton Niebrugge married 1st Anna Fellhoelter, 2nd Mary Streicker; > Bernard Niebrugge married 1st Anna Wolters/ Walters, 2nd Mary Ann ( > Anna Marie) Lacher Frey . -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Joanie, I don't know what information you already have, but there is a biography of Anton Niebrugge in the History of Effingham County, 1910, book. The Effingham County Marriage books show nine marriages for that last name between 1833 and 1915, and in the Cemetery books, some Niebrugge's are buried in St Mary's in Douglas Township(Bernard's family it looks like) and the rest are shown in Volume 12, which I only have an index for, not the pages with the date of birth/death and other info. If you are interested in any of this, send me an email directly with what you would like copies of and where I can send it. Census and Cemetery book 12 info maybe someone else on the list can get for you. I hope this helps. Ida Keating Joanie mendenhall wrote: > > As a daughter of a farmer this page brought back memories. > > When I click on the go to Homepage. the page came up blank. I was > wondering is this because this is webtv or is it blank? > > I am looking for descendants of Louis Niebrugge married Laura Schutte; > Anton Niebrugge married 1st Anna Fellhoelter, 2nd Mary Streicker; > Bernard Niebrugge married 1st Anna Wolters/ Walters, 2nd Mary Ann ( > Anna Marie) Lacher Frey .

Dear Linda and List Members: Thank you so much for your kind introduction to "my" webpage about Effingham County history. I have had so many emails coming in that I thought I would share some answers to questions with list members. I am a fourth generation Effingham County resident. My parents still live on the family farm and my farm adjoins theirs to the South. My wife's family came to Effingham County in 1839 and their family farm is only 2 miles from ours. Much of the material I use, very little of it published, comes from their and my families collection. I was/am the senior history teacher at Beecher City Unit 20, untill this January when I resumed the Technology Coordinator duties for my district. The idea for this project stemmed from a joint meeting of the Effingham County History teachers meeting held in the Spring of 1999. While the project is still in the development stage I forged ahead on my own. I look forward to moving this archieve to the Klute Server housed at Effingham High School just for this purpose. Hopefully, my colloughes will be joining in on this project and I hope that any of the good folk on this list will join in as well. As to problems with the links try start at the index first http://www.effingham.net/kperkins this will stop the blank pages. Sincerely, Kevin E. Perkins Agriculture and American History Beecher City School District #20

As a daughter of a farmer this page brought back memories. When I click on the go to Homepage. the page came up blank. I was wondering is this because this is webtv or is it blank? I am looking for descendants of Louis Niebrugge married Laura Schutte; Anton Niebrugge married 1st Anna Fellhoelter, 2nd Mary Streicker; Bernard Niebrugge married 1st Anna Wolters/ Walters, 2nd Mary Ann ( Anna Marie) Lacher Frey .

A member of our mail list, Kevin Perkins, has contacted me about sharing information on Effingham County via this mailing list. His hobby, in addition to genealogy, is accumulating information on the history of Effingham County. He has offered to share this information with the Effingham County mail list. He also has a very informative home page (he has allowed me to link to it on the Effingham County GenWeb page). The URL is http://www.effingham.net/kperkins/historical%20tidbits.htm Since we all know that history and genealogy go hand in hand, I welcome his input and his offer of sharing. I hope you will, too. I know that knowing the history of an area seems to put genealogical information in perspective and makes research so much more interesting and puts a "human" aspect to the facts and figures that we strive for. Thank you, Kevin, for sharing and most of all, for caring. Linda (the listmom) Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List

thought this was worth passing on Sande > Want to see if someone has posted an obit ? > > Try this site. Visit the ODT web site at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary > > Bill Buchholz > > For info on cemeteries, funeral homes etc. check: > http://pages.prodigy.net/dave_lossos/stl/buchholz.htm > Surnames: > BECKMANN-BUCHHOLZ-BUCKHOLZ-BUCHOLZ-CASSIDY-DeLONJAY-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONC > OT-RENSING-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN