My grandmother: Susan Florence RICE b. 1884 Edgewood, Effingham, IL d. 1948 Paxton, Ford IL gr grandfather:: John C. RICE b. 1850 KY d. 1903 Edgewood, Effingham, IL gr gr grandfather: Thomas C. RICE b. 1822? ???KY? Family History: John C. RICE m. Lavina Arabelle "Belle" MOWERY 1877 their children: William Edward RICE "Carney" b. 1878 Edgewood, Effingham, IL d. 1919 William/Carney traveled with the Carnival, was run over by an hay bailer when 6 yrs old, had wooden leg. lead a some what troubled life, had been in reform school, later in life worked as a brakman for the IL Central RR. Charles RICE (could Thomas father been named Charles? thus the reasoning behind the C. in Thomas and Johns names, and this son named after a great grandfather?) b. 1881 Edgewood, Effingham, IL was a fireman in Decatur where he lived. m. Erda Sterns/Stearns Erda was a school teacher. Susan Florence RICE (*my grandmother) b. 1884 Edgewood, Effingham, IL d. 1948 m. Harvey HYDE 1903 Susan was the mother of 13 children all born in southern IL. Susan was living with her daughter in Paxton when she died. Alma RICE b.1898? m John Chaplin Fredrick b. 1900 and Annie b. 1902 died as infants. Mary Ellen RICE "Ellie" b.? m. Jackson ROSE Always searching, always appreciate any assistance, Marcia [email protected] HYDE RICE SAND MOWREY HIPPARD

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AF2ACB27170C49ED3B63D25D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I felt this was worth passing on. Sande Viau --------------AF2ACB27170C49ED3B63D25D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.27]) by good.attitude.com (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA06338 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 02 May 2000 16:47:59 -0700 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20316; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Tue May 2 16:50:10 2000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: "Jim Bridges" <[email protected]> From: "Jim Bridges" <[email protected]> Old-To: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:51:59 -0400 Organization: Unknown Organization MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Indiana Cemetery Help Needed Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/1437 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Forwarded from the Illinois mail list for county coordinators: >The Brainer Cemetery near Hymera in Sullivan Co., IN is about to be destroyed. >The Black Beauty Coal Co., which alleges it owns clear title to the cemetery, >has petitioned the Sullivan Superior Court for permission to excavate the >remains of 15 or more people buried there so that it can explore the site for >coal. > >Due to the damage that has already taken place at Brainer Cemetery, we know of >only one CONFIRMED burial here. The surname is McCAMISH. We believe there >may be PLEWs buried here as well. There are estimated by the coal company to >be at least 15 graves here. > >This sort of legalized cemetery destruction is nothing new; coal companies do >this in Indiana all the time. What's different in this situation is that we >have in place a network of people who are trying to stop this desecration or, >in the alternative, at least persuade the Court to compel Black Beauty Coal >Co. to disinter and immediately reinter the remains in an appropriate and >respectful manner. > >The deadline for filing objections is Thursday, May 4, 2000. We don't want a >repeat of what was done to Rhoads Cemetery and Wilhoit Cemetery!!! (The >remains from Rhoads Cemetery were "deposited" in an archeology laboratory in >Indianapolis for nearly 3 years before being unceremoniously "deposited" into >a single grave in an Indianapolis cemetery -- without benefit of family or >clergy being present. The remains from Wilhoit Cemetery are STILL in a >laboratory where they are being used for "research" purposes.) > >If you are a descendant of a person believed to be buried at Brainer Cemetery >or if you would like to get involved in protecting this site in this critical >battle, please go to the Brainer Cemetery page at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/HallofShame/brainercem.html >read the information there, read the Petition filed by Black Beauty Coal, read >the linked newspaper accounts and print out a "template" for filing your >objections with the Sullivan Superior Court. Remember: Your objections must >be received by the Court no later than Thursday, May 4th. > >Thank you! > >Lois Mauk >State Coordinator >Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp > --------------AF2ACB27170C49ED3B63D25D--

One of the things about family research are legends of the area in which they lived. With that in mind I present for your consideration http://www.effingham.net/kperkins/waybill.htm Sincerely, Kevin E. Perkins Agriculture and American History Beecher City School District #20

Damn! You way ahead of me! LOL

Hey Linda, Matt Smallwood here, Elsie Deters' grandson. How are you? Hope you are well. Unfortunately, Grandma Elsie has had a rough couple of weeks...she a small stroke last week and is experiencing loss of circulation in her legs due to her diabetes. She appears to have bounced back okay though...she only said a few words to me on the phone the evening of the stroke but had a conversation with my sister a week later...so that's good. I'm going back to visit Elsie and Paul and my Dad's family in Jasper County from May 6- 14. I could definitely find time to take a trip to Altamont and take that photo while I'm there. You wouldn't have to pay me a thing. My aunt in Gila has a scanner and an internet connection so I could even send it to you as a jpeg file. Sound good? You won't hurt my feelings if you make an agreement with someone who lives there locally to do it either. Let me know before May 4. That's when I'm leaving Delaware on my vacation. Hope to hear from you soon, Matt Smallwood Linda Kralman-Lambert wrote: > Would someone be willing to go to Wallace Cemetery in Mound Township (near > Altamont) to take a pix of a tombstone of W. D. Jenkins and his son > Johnnie. It is suspected that this W. D. Jenkins might be the son of Roddy > Jenkins. Rod Jenkins is mentioned on page 67 of "History of Effingham County". > > The grave is detailed on page 115 of Effingham County Past and Present. > Says "Wallace Cemetery is located on a knoll about 1/2 mile south of US > Route 40 on the John L. Russell farm, overlooking Second Creek to the > northeast. This is in section 12 of Mound township." > > I will pay for film, gas, whatever.......<grin> within reason. > > Linda (the listmom) > Researching Jenkins for a friend. -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Dear Members: Some of this may not be new to you, but I hope you will enjoy the pulling together of five primary sources. Check out: http://www.effingham.net/kperkins/earlyeff.htm Sincerely, Kevin E. Perkins Agriculture and American History Beecher City School District #20

Sorry about that. My reply was supposed to be a private one to a member of our mail list. My apologies..... Just goes to show that I can hit a wrong key, too..... <hanging head in shame> Linda

I could definitely find time to take a trip to Altamont and take that photo >while I'm there. You wouldn't have to pay me a thing. My aunt in Gila has a >scanner and an internet connection so I could even send it to you as a jpeg file. >Sound good? You won't >hurt my feelings if you make an agreement with someone who lives there locally to >do it >either. Let me know before May 4. That's when I'm leaving Delaware on my vacation. > Matt.... I'm doing great. Altamont is quite a junket from Effingham...are you sure you want to do this? Also, I'm not really sure that the cemetery can still be found. I was hoping some of the locals would know about it. Let me see if I can find out from someone in Effingham if it even still exists....... Thanks for the offer. I'll get back to you. Linda

All of us post queries from time to time. But do we "really" know how to write one? Do we know how to write a query that gets answers? Here is a format that would be appropriate anywhere. First, pick one surname (last name) for your query. Then proceed as follows: SUBJECT LINE:- should contain three items.... Who (the surname, in all caps) Where (location) When (date). If you don't know the exact date, use an approximate date. BODY OF QUERY - keep it brief and to the point. State the full name, being sure that the surname is in all caps. If you have a middle initial, use it. Try to keep the word count down. (The wordier you are, the less likely you are to get a response.) State the specific information that you are looking for. Are you looking for parents, children/wife of an ancestor? Don't make a statement such as "Looking for information on Joe Doe". That is unacceptable. Don't expect someone to read between the lines. Be as specific as possible. State exactly what you know and what you are seeking (birth, death, marriage, military). Don't give too much information....in this case, "less is more". Narrow your query down to a specific location or region (especially important if the surname you are researching is a common one). But, if you have some origin and migration information you should consider including it. For example, "John Smith who arrived in Massachusetts from England in 1810 and migrated to Effingham County, Illinois in 1830" might be better than just "John Smith of Effingham County, Illinois". It is very important that you do not use any abbreviations in your query. Not everyone understands genealogy buzz words. Be sure to spell out the state names...do not used the two-letter abbreviations. In a separate paragraph at the end, mention any other surnames that are considered "immediate family" to your primary surname. Do NOT put these surnames in all caps. Remember, you are concentrating on your primary surname. Do not list every family surname that you are researching because this makes your query ineffective. Make sure your name and e-mail address are at the bottom of your query. Yes, I know it is listed at the beginning of the e-mail, but repeat it at the bottom since some mail servers can actually show incorrect information as to the sender's e-mail address. This is an excellent idea for all your e-mail. Last, but *very* important...... remember to proofread your query before you send it. You will not get an answer if you are submitting incorrect information because of a typing error or oversight. If your query is not clear and concise, now is the time to rewrite it. Remember, the only surname that should be in all caps is the primary surname. Linda (the listmom) Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List

Kendal Dodd lived in Effingham Co.,IL. in 1849 Would appreciate any information on he or his family. Thanks, Donna ([email protected])

Would someone be willing to go to Wallace Cemetery in Mound Township (near Altamont) to take a pix of a tombstone of W. D. Jenkins and his son Johnnie. It is suspected that this W. D. Jenkins might be the son of Roddy Jenkins. Rod Jenkins is mentioned on page 67 of "History of Effingham County". The grave is detailed on page 115 of Effingham County Past and Present. Says "Wallace Cemetery is located on a knoll about 1/2 mile south of US Route 40 on the John L. Russell farm, overlooking Second Creek to the northeast. This is in section 12 of Mound township." I will pay for film, gas, whatever.......<grin> within reason. Linda (the listmom) Researching Jenkins for a friend.

Hello list members searching Ohio records for marriage information: This comes from the April 2000 Mahoning County Chapter of the OGS newsletter: "Introduced into the Ohio House of Rep. is a bill to amend the Ohio Revised code that should have genealogists up in arms. 'It states, in part, that upon receiving a request for records pertaining to the issuance of marriage licenses, a probate court shall furnish copies of the records as provided under section 149.43 of the Ohio Revised code, except that the court shall delete or otherwise remove any social security numbers and the maiden names of the mothers of the parties to a marriage so that they are not available to the person requesting the records, except for use by the department of human services, law enforcement personnel, and if ordered by the court in a civil or criminal trial.' If any individual genealogist feels that this would impact their ability to do genealogical research, a letter voicing your concern would be in order here. The address is: The Honorable____, Ohio Representatives, 77 South High St., Columbus, Ohio 43266-0603. Or www.house.state.oh.us/voice/index. html. Representative Ron Hood from Canfield is a co-sponsor of this bill." Pass this on to any other lists you are subscribed to if you think others might also be seeking marriage information in Ohio records. Barbara Faig Tennessee

Does anyone know the location of the Mt. Zion Cemetery located in Lucas Twp. in Effingham County? ...John

At 11:12 PM 4/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know the location of the Mt. Zion Cemetery located in Lucas Twp. in Effingham County? > >...John John.......it's 2 1/2 miles south of Elliotstown, in Section 18. Linda

I found a site with a list of books for sale for Illinois and Illinois Counties. I found some good stuff there. http://www.myfreeoffice.com/hrywlfrd//books.html

Dear Linda and List Members: Dear group members Linda asked that emails be shared with the group with the idea that others may have answers to the questions. The following is email between Kate and myself about Masquelet's Place. If this causes a problem Linda let us know and we can keep it off the list. >Reply-To: "kateb" <[email protected]> >From: "kateb" <[email protected]> >To: "Kevin E. Perkins" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Masquelet's Place >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:28:06 -0500 > >Kevin, if you want, you can post it..... My father had purchased all of the >land up to the railroad as I believe that it also belonged to John >Muller/Miller both sides of Rt. 40. As to who to contact the person that I >know fairly well is Ad [Adeline]Weber Barkley, she used to work at the >T-town press and she really would know just who that you might contact for >any information like that. If she does not know who to talk to then I sure >would not. The farm house, that is still standing next to the store was the >house of John Mueller/Miller and it is over 145 yrs. old that I know of. As >I think that when daddy bought it, it was almost if not 100 yrs. and that >was in 1951. >Kate > > >>Dear Kate: >> >> I had forgotten that you may have connections to the Masquelet story. >>The article that I quoted was from Father Eugene in 1928 and as you can >>gather it was mostly a lost story by then. If you check with what Eversman >>wrote, it would be very near the site you mentioned. I will run the deeds >>down in the courthouse and see if I can locate it. Do you know of anyone >in >>the Teutopolis area that I could contact in connection with this? In >>talking with Lyle Kruger the Cumberland Trail in this spot was almost where >>route 40 is today as far as he knows. Still there should be some record to >>the removing, or of there being a burial ground at this site. >> >>Thanks for the tip!!! >> > >>Sincerely, Kevin >> >> >>At 09:46 PM 4/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >>>Kevin, >>>When my father purchased the old "John Mueller/Miller" farm where the >>>present Keller's Furniture Store was, I was told several and I do mean >>>several years ago that there was a church about where the railroad is >>>straight across from the store. At that time there was no railroad as it >had >>>not been built yet. It would have been on the old "Cumberland Trail." Bob >>>Kenter that used to work for us also had told me that story, he passed >away >>>last year. Wonder if there were others in Teutopolis that would remember >>>what some of their g'parents might have remembered? It might be of >interest >>>to some of the older men or women if you would be able to aske them. >>>Good luck, >>>Kate Keller Bourland > Kevin E. Perkins Agriculture and American History Beecher City School District #20

Dear Members of the List: Please check out http://effingham.net/kperkins/roadbuild.htm if you want to learn about working the roads in Effingham County in the 1850's. Thank You, Kevin E. Perkins Agriculture and American History Beecher City School District #20

Hi Searching for the parents names of James Franklin Stewart b. 1839 Rush Co, Indiana 2nd marriage Hattie Winterrowd 18 sep 1864 Effingham, Il. They had four children. Moved to Ellis Co. Texas and died there. Any information on this family may be helpful. Thanks Ray e-mail <[email protected]> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I would appreciate any information anyone has about the M. E. Church and cemetery called Burk Chapel. The cemetery is located about three miles north of Winterrowd on the northeast corner of Section 11 in Lucas Township. My grandfather, Gibson O. Burk, was one of the last trustees of the cemetery property in 1930-40's.

This came to me from another list....thought I'd pass it on. New Ancestors series to air in June Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:23 PM >Ancestors, the highly successful PBS series, returns in June 2000 with a >new format, thirteen new episodes shot on location around the world, and >the most current information about the quest for family history. After the >first series aired in 1997, viewers asked for a second series with more >specific instruction about researching their roots. The new Ancestors >series rises to the challenge with an exciting new emphasisCthe world of >records. > >The series highlights records that family historians use¯such as >newspapers, immigration records, military records, and the census. Each >episode weaves dramatic personal stories of family history discovery with >expert instruction from the nation's top genealogists and librarians. >Seasoned genealogists will gain as much from these tips as those who have >an interest in family history research but don't yet know where to begin. >FGS and GenTech members who have seen sneak previews have received the new >series with enthusiasm. > >For more information, visit us at www.kbyu.org/ancestors. For press >information on Ancestors, join us online at www.kbyu.org/press or contact >Diena Simmons at KBYU Television: > >Diena Simmons >Director, Program Services >KBYU Television >2000 Ironton Blvd. >Provo, UT 84606 >(801) 378-8450 >(801) 378-8478 >[email protected] > >Contact your local PBS station for air dates and times in your area. > >