I forgot (shame on me) This is my query in its entirety, the way it should be. Would someone be good enough to look up a death date for me? All I have is the year of death. I need the exact date of death. I know he was born and died in Teutopolis. Killian Ferdinand Hattrup Son of B. Ferdinand Hattrup and Mary Margaret Ulhorn Born 10-15-1890 Died 1894 Buried St. Francis Cemetery, Teutopolis, Section D, Row 13, Grave #1 (all the grave has on it is the year of birth and death) Linda

Would someone be good enough to look up a death date for me? All I have is the year of death. I need the exact date of death. Killian Ferdinand Hattrup Son of B. Ferdinand Hattrup and Mary Margaret Ulhorn Born 10-15-1890 Died 1894 Buried St. Francis Cemetery Section D, Row 13, Grave #1 (all the grave has on it is the years of birth and death) Killian was my granduncle. Linda

What is the Effingham Co. marriage? I have the marriage records for the county and I could look to see if it is recorded. Audrey Garbe [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard M. Pope <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:01 PM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] 1879 Effingham Church > Thought I'd try this message again. Hope someone can help --- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------- > > I am trying to determine what the church was for an 1879 Effingham > marriage and if those records survive today. The minister was Josiah > Gibson. Anyone have a city directory or some other source to help me > with this? Any help appreciated. Thanks very much. > > Richard Pope > > > >

Thought I'd try this message again. Hope someone can help --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- I am trying to determine what the church was for an 1879 Effingham marriage and if those records survive today. The minister was Josiah Gibson. Anyone have a city directory or some other source to help me with this? Any help appreciated. Thanks very much. Richard Pope

I have several relatives who immigrated to Effingham from Germany. I believe they would have been naturalized while living in Effingham (they later moved to Danville, IL). Does anyone know 1)Where to obtain copies of these records (saw a book listed re:Effingham naturalization records for sale by the Effingham Historical Society, anyone know if it's worthwhile?) and 2)Whether the naturalization records themselves carry any useful information in the late 1800's, or whether it's better to look for a declaration of intent). Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

> THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING AND WORTH SHARING. SANDE > > Surnames----- > > > > In the NE part of Westphalia near Guetersloh, Bielefeld and Herford ( and maybe > > others) our ancestors had a very practical method of heredity. > > > > A couple sometime had a child or 2 to be sure that they were able to reproduced. > > In the church records this child was identified as "before the marriage". I t > > was most important to have children to help with the work on the farm and for the > > family to exist. > > > > When a couple had a heredity right to a small part of the land, it was often > > the youngest son that would inherit the property. Can't think of the word at the > > moment but it is the opposite of primogeniture. > > > > For several reason > > > > 1 When the oldest son was ready to marry and set up a household the parents were > > not ready to "retire" and give up the main house to the new family and move into > > a smaller house on the property. > > The parents tried to marry the older sons to the daughters of another farm family > > who had no son, only a daughter. That son then took the name of the wife's family > > and became the heir. Thus in some records you will find the name "Johann Braun, > > called Schmidt" or "also known as ". But then the children will carry the > > surname of Schmidt, after the family of the mother. > > > > 2 If the older sons have no prospective heirs to marry , (daughters of other > > farms) the family would then try to provide another occupation. > > > > 3 my Gt. gr. f had an older brother who was sent to Am in the early 1840s who > > settle in St. louis. He had to learn English as the govt was not bilingual > > (Spanish-Am) at that time, > > He served in the Mex. War. Came back to St. l. Started a dry goods store and > > eventually was Pres. of the German American Bank in St. Louis on 4th & about > > Olive(?). > > > > 4 my Gt. gr. father was sent to Switzerland to learn watchmakeing in 1856 . He > > then came to St. louis in 1857 and opened a jewellery in the ground level of a > > hotel near the old cathedral. .After a few years he was able to move to the great > > North St. Louis German area n

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This site was sent to me from another list. Type in your ancestor's name birth and death years, and you get a personalized time line showing the events that took place during their lives, from 1000 AD to present. I printed a few to put with my family pages for reference. http://www.ourtimelines.com Hope this is of interest..... Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List Listowner - TMGPAZ Mail List

TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS POST, I'M SORRY BUT I DELETED YOUR EMAIL. IF YOU WOULD E-MAIL ME AT [email protected], I MAY HAVE SOME INFO FOR YOU. THANKS SANDE

I am looking for information on the George Keller family who was listed in Effingham County, IL in the 1860 census. Does anyone have any information on them. They were originally from Franklin County, OH. Shirley Reed [email protected] Have a wonderful day!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp

New to this list. I am trying to determine what the church was at an 1879 Effingham marriage and if those records survive today. The minister was Josiah Gibson. Anyone have a city directory or some other source to help me with this? Any help appreciated. Thanks very much. Richard Pope

Audrey is too modest. The Genealogical Society has an AWESOME department at the Helen Matthes Library......and the members who staff the department are just the best there are. There are films, and readers, too........... I spend hours and hours there every trip home. And every time I find more and more. For those of you planning on doing on-site research, I really recommend joining the society. The quarterlies are the best I've ever seen...........the information about joining is on the Effingham County website under "Reference Lookups". Linda (the listmom) Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List > The Effingham Co. Genealogical Society has a very good genealogy department at the Helen Matthes Library in Effingham. The library is open at 10:00 a.m. Mon thru Sat. >Members of ECGHS are there on Wed and Sat from 10:00 a.m. till noon, to help >you with your research. I would say that would be the place to start. >Audrey Garbe >[email protected] Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List Listowner - TMGPAZ Mail List

Michael, I am also researching the name HILL, but a different line. My people came from Ohio. I do not recognize any of your names. The Effingham Co. Genealogical Society has a very good genealogy department at the Helen Matthes Library in Effingham. The library is open at 10:00 a.m. Mon thru Sat. Members of ECGHS are there on Wed and Sat from 10:00 a.m. till noon, to help you with your research. I would say that would be the place to start. Audrey Garbe [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Hill <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: [ILEFFING-L] HILL, BYRUM, BROWN, KESTERSON > I am looking for information on John W. HILL Sr., John W. HILL Jr., > Grant HILL, Joseph A. HILL, all of whom lived in the Effingham area from > the 1890's to at least the early 1900's. Related by marriage are Minnie > BYRUM, Charles BROWN, and Dogan KESTERSON. > John W. HILL Sr. is my gggrandfather and came from Grant Co. Kentucky. > Also, I would appreciate any information anyone could give me about > doing research in Effingham. I'm planning on travelling up there from > here in Arkansas in early June. > Thank You, > > Michael Hill > >

I am looking for information on John W. HILL Sr., John W. HILL Jr., Grant HILL, Joseph A. HILL, all of whom lived in the Effingham area from the 1890's to at least the early 1900's. Related by marriage are Minnie BYRUM, Charles BROWN, and Dogan KESTERSON. John W. HILL Sr. is my gggrandfather and came from Grant Co. Kentucky. Also, I would appreciate any information anyone could give me about doing research in Effingham. I'm planning on travelling up there from here in Arkansas in early June. Thank You, Michael Hill

--WebTV-Mail-14200-4284 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Albert Verdeyen is asking for information on the Verdeyen's of Effingham Co. Illinois. Any relatives on list?? --WebTV-Mail-14200-4284 X-URL-Title: VERDEYEN Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit http://www.effingham.net/andyv8/index.html --WebTV-Mail-14200-4284--

Hi Joanie Do you have easy access to Effingham Library and would do a bio. lookup? Ray >From: [email protected] (Joanie mendenhall) >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ILEFFING-L] Gypsy Farm >Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:01:44 -0500 (CDT) > >   >Mom tells us story of great-greatgrandfather John and Gertrudt Mehl >(Sr.) traveling around with wagon and selling things. Reference to their >story is in Cumberland Co. section in Effingham Library where they have >bio's of the county citizens. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

   Mom tells us story of great-greatgrandfather John and Gertrudt Mehl (Sr.) traveling around with wagon and selling things. Reference to their story is in Cumberland Co. section in Effingham Library where they have bio's of the county citizens.

My Aunt (my birth mother's side) has made several references to "living on the gypsy farm", but I can't get her to elaborate on it. When I ask her for more details, the subject seems to get changed quickly..... Linda At 12:25 PM 5/8/2000 -0700, Kevin E. Perkins wrote: >Dear List Members: > > Linda asked me to share email with the list to see if anyone else could >help answers some of the questions. Here is a copy I received from Matt and >my response to him. Can anyone in the group shed any light? > >At 02:44 PM 5/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Has anyone researched the history of Gypsies in Effingham county? Have >>they been included as a topic in collection of oral history? I know of >>at least three clans of English Gypsies that were associated with the >>county: The Joles, Stewarts and Whartons- is there any information on >>them? >> >>Matt >> >Dear Matt: > > I am not aware of anyone who has done any research here. In fact your >message is the first to mention clan names of Gypsies. In the book >Effingham County Past and Present mention is made of Gypsies in various >places in the book but nothing of substance. I know where the "Gypsie" farm >is in the county and some of their exploits but nothing further than that. > >Sincerely, > >Kevin Perkins >Agriculture and Computer Technology >Beecher City Jr/Sr High School > > >

Dear List Members: Linda asked me to share email with the list to see if anyone else could help answers some of the questions. Here is a copy I received from Matt and my response to him. Can anyone in the group shed any light? At 02:44 PM 5/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone researched the history of Gypsies in Effingham county? Have >they been included as a topic in collection of oral history? I know of >at least three clans of English Gypsies that were associated with the >county: The Joles, Stewarts and Whartons- is there any information on >them? > >Matt > Dear Matt: I am not aware of anyone who has done any research here. In fact your message is the first to mention clan names of Gypsies. In the book Effingham County Past and Present mention is made of Gypsies in various places in the book but nothing of substance. I know where the "Gypsie" farm is in the county and some of their exploits but nothing further than that. Sincerely, Kevin Perkins Agriculture and Computer Technology Beecher City Jr/Sr High School

Some of you may be subscribed to the Illinois-Roots List. There was a message sent out today that would lead you to believe that I am giving up the Effingham County GenWeb page and the Effingham County Mail List. The glut of e-mails I received tells me of your confusion. Let me set things straight. The Effingham County Mail list is "mine"......I am the administrator. The Effingham County GenWeb site is a part of the ILGenweb and thus a part of the USGenWeb, which is hosted/served by Rootsweb. I am the county coordinator and intend to remain as such. The message that was sent out by Dawn Wells relates to a parallel effort about US counties that is hosted/served by GenExchange. It is in no way affiliated with the USGenWeb. Actually, there are three parallel efforts related to US counties: USGenWeb (which I am affiliated with); GenExchange, and American Local History Network (ALHN). Let me assure you that I have no intention of giving up the ILGenWeb Effingham County page, or the Effingham County mail list. I'll continue to do the best I can for you and hope that my efforts please you and aid you in your research. I hope this answers your questions and sets the record straight. Linda Linda Kralman-Lambert IL GenWeb Project Volunteer County Coordinator for Effingham County, Illinois http://www.rootsweb.com/~ileffing/ Listowner - Effingham County Mail List Listowner - Kralman Mail List Listowner - Hattrup Mail List Listowner - TMGPAZ Mail List