Kaylynn, If you will use the 1861 tax list on Eli Halsey's (Bob) Home page it narrows down where to look on the census and makes it a little easier. Here is what I found for you: John North and a W.P. North in Harp twsp. Harp Twsp are census pages 747-765 J.W., J.I., T.M., North in Rutledge twsp Rutledge twsp pages 685-698 Hiram, Louisa, Thomas, Wm.H. Dewitt twsp Dewitt twsp pages 721-746 Hope this helps a little Earliene [email protected] ---------- From: Kaylynn[SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 6:38 am To: [email protected] Subject: John North-1860 Census My gg-grandfather, John P. North, moved to Illinois with his family in 1850, then to DeWitt County in March of 1860. I don't know the year of his birth, only that he married Sarah M. Provin on Dec. 30, 1865 in DeWitt County. I have gone through a lot the 1860 census, on line, but my eyes are going "buggy". Please, does anyone have access to the name index for the 1860 census? Take care, Kaylynn [email protected]