Thanks ----- Original Message ---- From: Frankie Heinzmann <frankieheinzmann@satx.rr.com> To: Clinton County Rootsweb <ILCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:42:47 PM Subject: [ILCLINTO] TAYLOR, Rita B (TIMMERMANN); 62; Belleville IL; CarlyleUB; 2004-5-19; fch Union Banner, Carlyle, IL, May 19, 2004, Page 2a/Col 2-3 Rita B. Taylor, 62 Rita B. Taylor, 62, of Breese died Wednesday, May 12th, 2004, at St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Belleville. She was born on January 30th, 1942, in Breese, the daughter of Charles and Bertha Niemann Timmermann, and they preceded her in death. On September 3rd, 1962, at St. Dominic Church in Breese, she married James Taylor, and he survives. Also surviving are two sons, Rick Taylor of Breese and Michael Taylor of Sullivan; three daughters, Marcia Taylor and Debra Dumstorff, both of Breese, and Christina Toennies of Germantown; seven grandchildren; and five brothers, Ralph and Donald Timmermann, both of Breese, Tom Timmermann of Pinckney, Mich., Charles Timmermann of Waxahachie, Texas, and Richard Timmermann of Pittsboro, Ind. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by a grandson and a sister, Mary Ann Kuhl. Mrs. Taylor was a bookkeeper with the Clinton County Farm Bureau in Breese. She was a member of St. Dominic Catholic Church and Altar Sodality in Breese and the Breese Zoning Board of Appeals. A funeral mass was celebrated on Saturday, May 15th, at 10 a.m. at St. Dominic Catholic Church in Breese, with Fr. Patrick Peter officiating. Interment was in St. Dominic-St. Augustine Cemetery in Breese. Visitation was at Moss Funeral Home in Breese. This information, is for research purposes only, and is not to be posted or diffused on any website or by email without the specific permission of the newspaper, except for research purposes. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILCLINTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1850 census of Clinton Co., IL the farms of a TAYLOR seem to be adjoining or at least very near to that of a WHITE. In 1852 Phebe White married Benjamin TAYLOR. Children were John,1855; Mary 1857; Sidney 1859 and Joseph 1860. I realize that Rita Taylor was "by marriage" a Taylor but there are a number of survivors. Is it possible that these Taylors could be kin to me and would be able to tell me more about that time in Clinton history? I am Dottie Austin in NC and descended from a brother of Phebe WHITE. -----Original Message----- From: ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Raecel Gibson Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:19 PM To: ilclinto@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILCLINTO] TAYLOR, Rita B (TIMMERMANN); 62; Belleville IL;CarlyleUB; 2004-5-19; fch Thanks ----- Original Message ---- From: Frankie Heinzmann <frankieheinzmann@satx.rr.com> To: Clinton County Rootsweb <ILCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:42:47 PM Subject: [ILCLINTO] TAYLOR, Rita B (TIMMERMANN); 62; Belleville IL; CarlyleUB; 2004-5-19; fch Union Banner, Carlyle, IL, May 19, 2004, Page 2a/Col 2-3 Rita B. Taylor, 62 Rita B. Taylor, 62, of Breese died Wednesday, May 12th, 2004, at St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Belleville. She was born on January 30th, 1942, in Breese, the daughter of Charles and Bertha Niemann Timmermann, and they preceded her in death. On September 3rd, 1962, at St. Dominic Church in Breese, she married James Taylor, and he survives. Also surviving are two sons, Rick Taylor of Breese and Michael Taylor of Sullivan; three daughters, Marcia Taylor and Debra Dumstorff, both of Breese, and Christina Toennies of Germantown; seven grandchildren; and five brothers, Ralph and Donald Timmermann, both of Breese, Tom Timmermann of Pinckney, Mich., Charles Timmermann of Waxahachie, Texas, and Richard Timmermann of Pittsboro, Ind. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by a grandson and a sister, Mary Ann Kuhl. Mrs. Taylor was a bookkeeper with the Clinton County Farm Bureau in Breese. She was a member of St. Dominic Catholic Church and Altar Sodality in Breese and the Breese Zoning Board of Appeals. A funeral mass was celebrated on Saturday, May 15th, at 10 a.m. at St. Dominic Catholic Church in Breese, with Fr. Patrick Peter officiating. Interment was in St. Dominic-St. Augustine Cemetery in Breese. Visitation was at Moss Funeral Home in Breese. This information, is for research purposes only, and is not to be posted or diffused on any website or by email without the specific permission of the newspaper, except for research purposes. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILCLINTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILCLINTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you happen to know Phebe's parents or any other information? I have a some descendants from this family: Family Group Sheet ========================================================================================== Husband: Stephen H White ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Birth: 3 Nov 1847 Illinois Death: 8 Jun 1919 Burial: Nichols Cemetery, Clinton County, Illinois Marriage: 3 May 1871 Clement, Clinton County, Illinois Father: John Joseph White (1814-1889) Mother: Margaret Ann Borlen (1817-1906) ========================================================================================== Wife: Veronika A Huey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Birth: 15 Mar 1853 Illinois Death: 16 May 1915 Burial: Nichols Cemetery, Clinton County, Illinois Father: Mother: ========================================================================================== Children ========================================================================================== 1 F Lela May White Birth: 29 Apr 1890 Illinois Death: 12 Nov 1974 Burial: Hillcrest Memorial Park, Centralia, Marion County, Ill Spouse: August Fred Curdt (1887-1954) Marriage: 19 Nov 1909 M.E. Church, Carlyle, Clinton County, Illinois ========================================================================================== Prepared 23 May 2008 by: Frankie C Heinzmann 217 Guilford Forge Universal City, TX 78148 (210) 659-4210 Heinzmann@iwon.com http://www.heinzmannf.com ========================================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SOURCES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. William Orrell, M.A., After All These Years: A History of Meridian Township from Territorial Days (221 E. Columbia, Evansville, IN 47711: Evansville Bindery, Inc., 1997), p 224, 595. 2. Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly (1091 Franklin Street, Carlyle, Illinois 62231: Clinton County Historical Society,). Mary Ellen Hughes, "Nichols Cemetery," Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly, XIX No 1 (January-March 1996), 39. 3. Ancestry.com, 1930 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2002), Year: 1930; Census Place: Meridian, Clinton, Illinois; Roll: 412; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 20; Image: 919.0. Name: Gus Fredrich Curdt Home in 1930: Meridian, Clinton, Illinois Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Birthplace: Illinois Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Lela May Race: White Household Members: Name Age Gus Fredrich Curdt 42 Lela May Curdt 39 Charles W Curdt 19. 4. Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly. name. H. Gentz (Book by David E. White), "Book, Overview of Charles White and Margareta Van Culen Family," Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly, Carlyle, IL, XX No. 2 (April-June 1997), 101, 105 -----Original Message----- From: ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dottie Austin Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:43 PM To: ilclinto@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILCLINTO] TAYLOR, Rita B (TIMMERMANN); 62; Belleville IL;CarlyleUB; 2004-5-19; fch In 1850 census of Clinton Co., IL the farms of a TAYLOR seem to be adjoining or at least very near to that of a WHITE. In 1852 Phebe White married Benjamin TAYLOR. Children were John,1855; Mary 1857; Sidney 1859 and Joseph 1860. I realize that Rita Taylor was "by marriage" a Taylor but there are a number of survivors. Is it possible that these Taylors could be kin to me and would be able to tell me more about that time in Clinton history? I am Dottie Austin in NC and descended from a brother of Phebe WHITE.

Background of Phebe WHITE Daniel White m. Phebe Crow in Washington Co. VA in 1800. Daniel White was one of the earliest settlers in Clinton Co. IL and 1st census has him located in Sugar Creek. That Census was compiled by Daniel's oldest son, William Crow White, and is on the Clinton Co. website. William Crow White m. Lucinda Creel on Feb 3, 1828. She was dau. of John Creel. He was later Sheriff of Clinton. Phebe was 3rd child of Wm and Lucinda. Originally there were 8 to 10 children. I think the 1850 census report on this family must have been filed by a committee. My direct ancestor's name is totally incorrect and ages don't jibe with reality. This is the result of both parents and grandfather Daniel dying in late 30s and 1842 and 1848. To my knowledge only 3 of the children lived to adulthood. The younger children were scattered to relatives(?) or ? Only the 2 oldest and my ancestor, Woodson Porcher White survived. It must have been a hazardous time to live in Clinton Co. -----Original Message----- From: ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frankie Heinzmann Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: ilclinto@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILCLINTO] Phebe WHITE Do you happen to know Phebe's parents or any other information? I have a some descendants from this family: Family Group Sheet ============================================================================ ============== Husband: Stephen H White ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 3 Nov 1847 Illinois Death: 8 Jun 1919 Burial: Nichols Cemetery, Clinton County, Illinois Marriage: 3 May 1871 Clement, Clinton County, Illinois Father: John Joseph White (1814-1889) Mother: Margaret Ann Borlen (1817-1906) ============================================================================ ============== Wife: Veronika A Huey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 15 Mar 1853 Illinois Death: 16 May 1915 Burial: Nichols Cemetery, Clinton County, Illinois Father: Mother: ============================================================================ ============== Children ============================================================================ ============== 1 F Lela May White Birth: 29 Apr 1890 Illinois Death: 12 Nov 1974 Burial: Hillcrest Memorial Park, Centralia, Marion County, Ill Spouse: August Fred Curdt (1887-1954) Marriage: 19 Nov 1909 M.E. Church, Carlyle, Clinton County, Illinois ============================================================================ ============== Prepared 23 May 2008 by: Frankie C Heinzmann 217 Guilford Forge Universal City, TX 78148 (210) 659-4210 Heinzmann@iwon.com http://www.heinzmannf.com ============================================================================ ============== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- SOURCES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 1. William Orrell, M.A., After All These Years: A History of Meridian Township from Territorial Days (221 E. Columbia, Evansville, IN 47711: Evansville Bindery, Inc., 1997), p 224, 595. 2. Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly (1091 Franklin Street, Carlyle, Illinois 62231: Clinton County Historical Society,). Mary Ellen Hughes, "Nichols Cemetery," Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly, XIX No 1 (January-March 1996), 39. 3. Ancestry.com, 1930 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2002), Year: 1930; Census Place: Meridian, Clinton, Illinois; Roll: 412; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 20; Image: 919.0. Name: Gus Fredrich Curdt Home in 1930: Meridian, Clinton, Illinois Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Birthplace: Illinois Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Lela May Race: White Household Members: Name Age Gus Fredrich Curdt 42 Lela May Curdt 39 Charles W Curdt 19. 4. Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly. name. H. Gentz (Book by David E. White), "Book, Overview of Charles White and Margareta Van Culen Family," Clinton County Historical Society Quarterly, Carlyle, IL, XX No. 2 (April-June 1997), 101, 105 -----Original Message----- From: ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilclinto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dottie Austin Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:43 PM To: ilclinto@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILCLINTO] TAYLOR, Rita B (TIMMERMANN); 62; Belleville IL;CarlyleUB; 2004-5-19; fch In 1850 census of Clinton Co., IL the farms of a TAYLOR seem to be adjoining or at least very near to that of a WHITE. In 1852 Phebe White married Benjamin TAYLOR. Children were John,1855; Mary 1857; Sidney 1859 and Joseph 1860. I realize that Rita Taylor was "by marriage" a Taylor but there are a number of survivors. Is it possible that these Taylors could be kin to me and would be able to tell me more about that time in Clinton history? I am Dottie Austin in NC and descended from a brother of Phebe WHITE. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILCLINTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message