In a message dated 11/27/02 10:39:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The 1880 Census has him listed as Clemens Teising, which may make him a > relative. > Theising and Teising are the same name (the H is not pronounced; ergo, before spelling became standardized, it was written by many ... particularly recordkeepers outside the family .... the way it was pronounced). I have Clemens, Helene, Frank J. and Bernard in the Death listings. There are many more online at the Clinton site in other areas. Here's the Clemens listing: Born Germantown, age at death: 3-6-0, died 29 Nov 1883 in Germantown of scarlatina, buried Germantown 30 NOv 1883. If you'd like the other listings, just let me know, and I'll be happy to send, but it will be a few days. Happy Thanksgiving to all our listers and volunteers! Laura

Laura, Thank you so much for your response. Sure, I would love the other listings that you have, and after the holiday is fine. We're leaving town tomorrow, anyway. I hope you and your family have a lovely day. Best regards, Harold Teising -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] Clemens Theising In a message dated 11/27/02 10:39:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The 1880 Census has him listed as Clemens Teising, which may make him a > relative. > Theising and Teising are the same name (the H is not pronounced; ergo, before spelling became standardized, it was written by many ... particularly recordkeepers outside the family .... the way it was pronounced). I have Clemens, Helene, Frank J. and Bernard in the Death listings. There are many more online at the Clinton site in other areas. Here's the Clemens listing: Born Germantown, age at death: 3-6-0, died 29 Nov 1883 in Germantown of scarlatina, buried Germantown 30 NOv 1883. If you'd like the other listings, just let me know, and I'll be happy to send, but it will be a few days. Happy Thanksgiving to all our listers and volunteers! Laura ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Would someone do a death record lookup on: Teising, Clemens Page 114, Record 1461 The 1880 Census has him listed as Clemens Teising, which may make him a relative. Thank you.

Change 1 - The IRAD only has copies of the death registers through 1916, when the law changed and the Dept. of Health became responsible for death records. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Falk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] IL death certificates 1917-1950 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Rottmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILBOND] IL death certificates 1916-1947 Yes, you may pass my offer on to the Clinton Co. or any other mailing list that you wish. I charge $3.00 per certificate; this includes the $ .50 charge that the State Archives charges for each certificate plus my expenses for the trip. I would ask that anyone interested contact me personally & I can give them my address and other details about getting the certificates. Mary Rottmann ==================== You can still get a certified copy of death certificates for $9.00 from http://www.clintonco.org/clerk_county.htm or an uncertified copy free (for the time being anyway) from http://cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/refpol.html Make sure that you give the book and page number as listed in the http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/idphdeathindex.html ====================== Here is a third-handed offer from person willing to get IL death certificates copies for you for $4.50 each. This man has a link to his home page, sounds pretty experienced. http://www.rootdig.com/illinoisdeathcertificates.html ========================== Dorothy ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Rottmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILBOND] IL death certificates 1916-1947 Yes, you may pass my offer on to the Clinton Co. or any other mailing list that you wish. I charge $3.00 per certificate; this includes the $ .50 charge that the State Archives charges for each certificate plus my expenses for the trip. I would ask that anyone interested contact me personally & I can give them my address and other details about getting the certificates. Mary Rottmann ==================== You can still get a certified copy of death certificates for $9.00 from http://www.clintonco.org/clerk_county.htm or an uncertified copy free (for the time being anyway) from http://cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/refpol.html Make sure that you give the book and page number as listed in the http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/idphdeathindex.html ====================== Here is a third-handed offer from person willing to get IL death certificates copies for you for $4.50 each. This man has a link to his home page, sounds pretty experienced. http://www.rootdig.com/illinoisdeathcertificates.html ========================== Dorothy

Surnames: BRIGHT Submitter: Debbie Orzechowski ([email protected]) Date: 25 Nov 2002 I am searching for my gggrandmother Mary Elizabeth Bright. Her father is John B. Bright but I don't know her mother's name. On her son's birth record she is listed as born in Clinton County. I believe her to have been born in 1861/6/9 (records indicate any of these years). I found her in the 1880 census living with her father in Jackson county, Illinois. If anyone has any information, I would love to discuss.

Hi, Emmitt, Are you looking for political or genealogy information? I see him and Phebe and family in the 1860 census and him and Catherine and family in the 1870 census. I see his brother (?) Philip and Josephine plus family in the 1880 and 1900 census. Let me know if you want George's census info and if you want Philip's info, too. His brother (?) shows up in these searchers, but he doesn't: http://seeker.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/htsearch http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=ILCLINTON&letter=GU His brother (?) and family are buried in Carlyle Cemetery, that will be online in a couple of months or so. In the 1881 History of Marion and Clinton Counties, Illinois book, Page 64, talking about the German influence in the county: "Among the county treasurers are to be found the following naturalized citizens, to wit: . . . George Gundlach, appointed to fill vacancy caused by the death of J. T. Scott, 1877. . . .". Same page 64 - "German sheriffs: George Gundlach, 1864 - 1966; . . . . Page 92 - Under Roster of County Officers - George Gundlach, 1864 - 1866 Same page 92 - Treasurers, Assessors - John T. Scott, died in office, and George Gunlach appointed, 1873 - 7. Page 93 - Senator - George Gundlach 1872 - 74 and 1876 - 76. Representative - George Gundlach - 1868 - 70. This can't be his father since we know George was born in Germany around 1828. But it's fun to read, this is the Township where Philip lived. Philip was born in Germany, also. History book page 266, Clement Township. "The first land cultivated was by a man of the name of Gunlack as early as 1812. He was what was known as a "squatter". This was on section 21. In the same year, Mr. Gunlack moved with his family to Shawneetown, in the southern part of the state. He returned again in 1815 and improved the land upon which he had struck the first blow toward civilization, in what is now Clinton county. His house was a little rough log-cabin, with puncheon floor, and the old-fashioned stick and mud chimney. The roof was constructed with split boards called shakes, and held to their place with what was then called "weight poles". This was probably the first house constructed in the county, with the exception of the old "Hill Fort", and the ferryman's pole cabin situated just over the river in what is now Carlyle." Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] George Gundlach Looking for information on George Gundlach. George served in the Illinois House of Representatives in the 6th General Assembly (1868-1870) from Clinton County District #7. He also served in the Illinois Senate in the 28th and 29th General Assemblies from Clinton County Senate District #42. Thanks Emmitt ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Looking for information on George Gundlach. George served in the Illinois House of Representatives in the 6th General Assembly (1868-1870) from Clinton County District #7. He also served in the Illinois Senate in the 28th and 29th General Assemblies from Clinton County Senate District #42. Thanks Emmitt

Leah Schniers: Are you still on our list? I've tried 2 email addresses, including the one on your home page, and they've both bounced. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Schniers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: My family roots Hello, My name is Timothy Schniers. I am 15 and am a sophmore at Garden City Tx. My Grandparents are Wilford and Lorene Schniers and they live in Rowena Tx. I am trying to find some background information aver my ancestors. Could you send me whatever you know about my ancestors. Like where my roots go to. Thank you very much for your time and any help you can give me. Timothy Schniers

Hello List, I just noticed that there is a Renth Road in New Baden. Can anyone tell me when it was named and which Renth family it was named for? Best regards, Darlene Acker Burzynski Researching HAAS, WOLF, REIS, LANDER, HOPFINGER in SCC.

Here's the archives notice posted on their website concerning the decision to discontinue sending free death certificates out (I was really hoping I was mistaken): Please note . . . Since May 15, 2002, the Illinois State Archives' Web site has contained a searchable index to death records registered in the state, 1916-1950. THAT SERVICE WILL BE CONTINUED. >From the same date the State Archives has also offered free uncertified copies of those death certificates to all patrons who requested them by email, telephone, or postal mail. That service will have to be discontinued as of November 15, 2002. The reason for this change is that the demand for those records has been so very great that it has overwhelmed our staff resources and forced great delays in responding to our patrons. Despite all of the other capabilities we have devoted to that demand it showed every sign of only growing larger, to the point that our reference services would become so delayed that they would lose realistic usefulness. We very much regret this change, and hope for your understanding. <A HREF="http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/idphdeathindex.html#after1915">Click here</A> for instructions as to where you can secure the death records that you identify through use of the Death Index. NOTE: The Illinois Regional Archives Depository (IRAD) system, a program of the Illinois State Archives, does not have a similar backlog of reference requests. You can expect a response from IRAD within a few weeks. IRAD does not have copies of death records (1916–1950) maintained by the Illinois Department of Public Health, Office of Vital Records. Please do not send requests for copies of death records found in the Illinois Statewide Death Index (1916–1950) to our regional depositories. <A HREF="http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/idphdeathindex.html#after1915">Click here</A>ffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> for information about how to obtain copies of original death records.

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Hi, Seil, Breese, Illinois was named after Judge Sidney Breese, a local hero http://www.papadocs.com/villages/breese/breehist.htm . That town was previously known as Shoal Creek Station http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/namechanges.htm Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Re: Edler/Schmedlie of Breese This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: heins,seil Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/56.2 Message Board Post: trip to Breese germany niedersachen or to illn. or where. where did they get the name.? bresee germany? or england? ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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Hi, Linda, Thanks for giving me a starting point. I checked the CD of the 1900 census and found a couple additional tidbits which you may or may not have: Census page # 149A, Lake Township, probably only Love's in the County that census year. Household # 63-63. Everything you said was correct. Jacob was born in Ind, he was a farmer, he rented, his dad was born NC, his mom Ohio. Matilda, born in Ind, in Jun 43, had 6 children of which 4 were living. Her dad was born Pennsylvania, her mom Indiana. Jessy was a farm laborer, born Mar 84, not employed 2 months during the year. Louise (not Louisa) was born Feb 86, was 14. Both kids' parents were born in Ind, of course. Therefore Jacob and Matilda got married in Indiana about 1883 or earlier. I can't check on the marriages of Matilda, Jess, or Louis (just use the part of the name you are sure of, the computer will give you all versions) because http://cyberdriveillinois.com/cgi-bin/archives/marriage.s seems to be down just now. The two surviving children not living at home might have gotten married in Illinois since parents had been here between 14 and 16 years. Now that we know they lived in Lake Township, those cemeteries, where he might be buried, are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/cemetery/lake/index.htm There are a couple large cemeteries that haven't been read and put online yet. You might check back at that URL every few months to see if anything surfaces for a stone on Jacob. I don't see a record of his death on http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/deathrec/record006.htm nor in the probate boxes index, either. Is there a chance that the whole family moved back to Indiana before he died? I can't think of anything else to check at this time. Happy hunting. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Kendall To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: jacob love info Dorothy, Only information I have on Jacob is he was in the 1900 census with wife Matilda, son Jessy and daughter Louisa. According to some his wife remarried in Madison county Indiana in 1903. That is about all I have. He was born May 1844. And was 55 or 56 at the time of the census. He and his wife had been married for 24 years. His son was 16. Thank you for any information you might locate. Linda

Surnames: CHESNEY GREENFIELD Submitter: Lisa Burns ([email protected]) Date: 12 Nov 2002 Looking for any info pertaining to the parents and family of Jesse H. Greenfield and Joanna/Johanna Chesney. The only reference we have to them is in the Bride and Groom Registers of Clinton Co, IL. Wedding date is 19 Dec1899.Would like to find their parents as our tree ends with these two!

Submitter: linda kendall ([email protected]) Date: 09 Nov 2002 seeking death records for jacob love.

I'm pretty sure that Anna Wellen really is 50 in 1850. I don't have the copies right here w/ me, but I recall that she's 60 in 1860 and 70 in 1870. And John's age seems right, because he goes up by about ten years each consecutive census, too. The Christine Wellen you mention is Bernard and Helena's daughter, my g-g-grandmother. I've known she was there for a while. It's the rest of her family I can't find. I recently noticed a "John Welden" living w/ family 288-292 (Henry Olkin) who I suppose could be her brother. He's about the right age. But the parents and the younger son, Andrew, are still missing. I'll have to check Missouri the next time I'm at the library. It seems odd, though, that they would move there, when Bernard owned land in Clinton Co. (which I know from glorecords.blm.gov). Since I don't know when Bernard and Helena died, I'm not totally surprised that they aren't there. They could be dead. But that doesn't explain where 13-year-old Andrew went. Or the Fickers (I'll check Missouri for them). Thanks for the suggestions. -Tim Nix Dorothy Falk wrote: >The All-Illinois 1850 census, which only lists heads of households and the >oldest person with each different surname that lives in the household, no >ages, families, origins, etc. says: > >Barbara: There is a John R. Schroeder listed in Washington County and a >John Schroeder listed in Rushville in Schuyler County. No Riemenschneiders >of any spelling that I could see. > >Tim: The only John Bernard Wellen is the one listed for Clinton Co. He is >family # 210-211 at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/census/1850census003.htm I found a >better copy of the CD and think that Anna was 30, not 50. The Illinois >census also said there was a Christine Wellen in Clinton Co. but I don't >find her in the new CD. The closest I could come to Baahlman was 3 Baakmans >in Effingham County. There was a Barnart Ficker in Palmyra, Lee County and >a John in Chicago, Cook County. Have you tried Missouri in 1850? A lot of >the people lived there for a few years and then moved over to Clinton Co. >You said a lot of your people started there. > >An updated 1850 census will go online in the near future, but it won't have >any changes for either of your queries except for the Anna's age and the >Wellen spelling. It's possible that the all-Illinois census is the dumb one >that only lists heads of households if they have young children. I forgot >to check if that was this census. I haven't heard anyone else say that >their people were skipped in our 1850, but it's certainly possible. > >Dorothy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara Schroy" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:27 PM >Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] 1850 census... > > > >Hi Tim, >I also cannot find my relatives on the 1850 census in Clinton County and >they are supposed to be there. So it may not be complete. >Barb > Tim Nix <[email protected]> wrote:Does anyone know if the 1850 >census for Clinton Co. is particularly >unreliable? I've found that there are at least two families I'm looking >for which completely disappeared that year. I can find them in 1840 and >1860, but not 1850. I've tried alternate spellings and everything w/ no >luck. Usually, in the past, when I've been unable to find a census for >someone, it's because of a misspelled name, or because I don't know >where to look, or I just can't find the person at all on any census. >But, having two families vanish just for one census seems odd, >especially in an area like Clinton Co., where there were so few people >to begin with (compared to, say, St. Louis, where I and a lot of my >research are) that there sholdn't be too many people who were >accidentally skipped. > >Incidentally, if anyone happens to see the 1850 census for Lambert >Ficker (age 49) and Anna Margaret Baahlmann Ficker (age 38) or for John >Bernard Wellen (age 50-60) and Anna Helena Lammers Wellen (age 40-50), >let me know. :-) > >Thanks. >-Tim Nix > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

The All-Illinois 1850 census, which only lists heads of households and the oldest person with each different surname that lives in the household, no ages, families, origins, etc. says: Barbara: There is a John R. Schroeder listed in Washington County and a John Schroeder listed in Rushville in Schuyler County. No Riemenschneiders of any spelling that I could see. Tim: The only John Bernard Wellen is the one listed for Clinton Co. He is family # 210-211 at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/census/1850census003.htm I found a better copy of the CD and think that Anna was 30, not 50. The Illinois census also said there was a Christine Wellen in Clinton Co. but I don't find her in the new CD. The closest I could come to Baahlman was 3 Baakmans in Effingham County. There was a Barnart Ficker in Palmyra, Lee County and a John in Chicago, Cook County. Have you tried Missouri in 1850? A lot of the people lived there for a few years and then moved over to Clinton Co. You said a lot of your people started there. An updated 1850 census will go online in the near future, but it won't have any changes for either of your queries except for the Anna's age and the Wellen spelling. It's possible that the all-Illinois census is the dumb one that only lists heads of households if they have young children. I forgot to check if that was this census. I haven't heard anyone else say that their people were skipped in our 1850, but it's certainly possible. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Schroy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] 1850 census... Hi Tim, I also cannot find my relatives on the 1850 census in Clinton County and they are supposed to be there. So it may not be complete. Barb Tim Nix <[email protected]> wrote:Does anyone know if the 1850 census for Clinton Co. is particularly unreliable? I've found that there are at least two families I'm looking for which completely disappeared that year. I can find them in 1840 and 1860, but not 1850. I've tried alternate spellings and everything w/ no luck. Usually, in the past, when I've been unable to find a census for someone, it's because of a misspelled name, or because I don't know where to look, or I just can't find the person at all on any census. But, having two families vanish just for one census seems odd, especially in an area like Clinton Co., where there were so few people to begin with (compared to, say, St. Louis, where I and a lot of my research are) that there sholdn't be too many people who were accidentally skipped. Incidentally, if anyone happens to see the 1850 census for Lambert Ficker (age 49) and Anna Margaret Baahlmann Ficker (age 38) or for John Bernard Wellen (age 50-60) and Anna Helena Lammers Wellen (age 40-50), let me know. :-) Thanks. -Tim Nix ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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