This appeared in the April 5th Tallahassee Democrat. I would like to thank everyone who took time to write and email Gov. Jeb Bush to leave the Library in Tallahassee. For people not familiar with Florida politics there has been a movement for 30 years to get the capital moved from Tallahassee, in the Florida Panhandle, to Central Florida - namely the Orlando area. I was going to include another comment about the movement but it mentioned "Mickey Mouse politics." Thank you again. Belva Gurr State Library's collection likely to stay in town By Bill Cotterell DEMOCRAT SENIOR WRITER It looks like the State Library won't be losing its books to Broward County. In adopting its version of the budget for next year on Friday, the House turned down Gov. Jeb Bush's $2 million proposal for moving the library's collection to Nova Southeastern University. There never was a provision for that in the Senate budget bill, so the issue is apparently off the table when inter-chamber negotiations on the $52 billion spending package begin next week. Dead things have ways of coming back to life in the hectic final days of a legislative session. But resurrection requires support of Senate presidents and House speakers - which the library initiative does not have. "I hope this is the last we hear of it," Rep. Loranne Ausley, D-Tallahassee, said as she left the Capitol after the budget vote. "I hope the governor will get the message that this is an important treasure, and he'll stop trying to mess with it." When Bush announced his budget plans, book lovers and librarians across the state deluged lawmakers with phone calls and letters demanding that the library be left alone. Library supporters set up a Web site and staged a demonstration last month at the Capitol and R.A. Gray Building, where small groups of sign-waving pickets clustered every Saturday morning to protest the plan. "The State Library is essential and vital to the ongoing effort to preserve our rich history and stimulate life-long learning among Floridians," said Rep. Bev Kilmer, R-Quincy. "With over 1 million holdings, the State Library provides an invaluable role in the archiving and management of Florida's government records." House Speaker Johnnie Byrd, R-Plant City, said he had not discussed the library with Bush. But with neither chamber including the move in its budget, Byrd said "I would think it would not come back" in the House-Senate negotiations. Senate President Jim King, R-Jacksonville, said before the session started that the library wasn't going anywhere. Jenny Nash, a spokeswoman for the Department of State, said Secretary of State Glenda Hood is committed to increasing the library's circulation - no matter where it is located. "We'll market the library to get people to know that it's there," she said. "A lot of people don't know the State Library exists." Bush proposed the move in his budget, which called for cutting more than 50 positions and relocating the library's circulating collection to save money. He and other supporters of the move also have contended that the books would be more useful for more people in a major urban area. Opponents saw it as a step toward breaking up the museum, archives and other cultural resources that are kept in Tallahassee. Several state employees also complained that they used the library frequently for research on laws and regulatory matters. The governor's office countered that the information could be looked up online or transmitted electronically. "That was the backbone of a lot of our research and reference service in state government," said Barratt Wilkins, who retired in January after 26 years as state librarian. "This makes my retirement worthwhile. I never would have been able to do anything to save the library if I still worked in the department." Kilmer and Ausley said the outcry from librarians and state employees was instrumental in preventing the library move.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nana & Papa" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] NARA Records are now ONLINE > I received this from another list so thought I would share with you all. > > Sande in CA > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > By EUN-KYUNG KIM > > .c The Associated Press > > > > WASHINGTON (AP) - Researchers, genealogists and the plain curious can > > now use the Internet to check more than 50 million historical records at the > > National Archives, from Civil War battles to family immigration files. > > > > Before the system became available, people had to either visit the > > Archives and spend hours combing through documents or request the > > files by phone and pay to have them mailed. > > > > ``Now, people can pull these electronic records at their own > > convenience,'' said Michael Carlson, electronic and special media > > records director for the archives. ``It's totally self-service from > > your desktop.'' > > > > The records available on the database system represent a small > > fraction of the archive's electronic holdings. They were selected > > because of their analytical and statistical nature - most deal with > > information that easily can be looked up based on specific names, > > dates, organizations, cities or states. > > > > For instance, someone wanting to research a great-grandfather who > > immigrated to the United States in the 19th century can choose the series > > of records listed under ``immigrants,'' enter the relative's name and > > learn on what ship he traveled, the occupation he claimed prior to > > leaving, the date he arrived in New York, and the country from which > > he left, among other details. > > > > ``It can be another stop in creating your family tree and > > understanding what happened and when,'' said Michael Kurtz, assistant > > archivist for records services. > > > > Carlson said he expects the service will be popular with veterans in > > particular because of all the information related to military action, > > casualties and POWs. > > > > The records in the new system ``aren't a revelation in information, > > but is it helpful? Absolutely,'' said American Legion spokesman John > > Peterson after checking out the Web site. > > > > ``A lot of people active with the POW/MIA issue complain the > > government doesn't release enough documents about people who are still > > missing, so almost anything they give out is good in our eyes,'' he said. > > > > Kristine Minami, a spokeswoman for the Japanese American Citizens League, > > said getting easy access to government records will provide ``a lot of > > validation'' to Japanese Americans who were sent to internment camps > > during World War II. > > > > The database draws from the records of 20 federal agencies. Most of > > the information was created by the agencies to suit their own program > > needs, without any thought to its historical significance. > > > > Because of that, some records have typographical errors like misspelled > > names or an inaccurate dates. National Archives officials did not correct > > any of the information to preserve the records' integrity. > > > > Shirley Langdon Wilcox, former president of the National Genealogical > > Society, called the new system an ``extremely useful and exciting'' tool. > > > > ``This certainly gives you enough of an idea of what might be > > available to you so you know what to weed out before taking a trip > > somewhere,'' she said. ``Anytime you have a tool that can make > > yourself better prepared before you go to the Archives or library, > > it's worthwhile. You don't end up wasting an hour or two looking at > > whether they have something, because you've done your homework. > > On The Net: National Archives' Access to Archives Databases: > > http://www.archives.gov/aad/ > > 04/04/03 14:33 EST > > > > Judy Neu > > Springwater, NY > > > >

Barb Huey: Have you changed email address? Please email me privately. Dorothy

One of the people helping to promote this new approach to Genealogy Conferences is Cindy Hofmeister, a professional genealogist. Cindy moved to Lafayette, LA a year ago from Salt Lake City and is concerned with making the residents of Lafayette aware of the resources available through the Family History Center in our area. She has been helpful in teaching and updating some of our practices here in our local genealogy society. Thank you, Belva Gurr - past president, Lafayette Genealogical Society The First Online International Genealogy Conference! Dear Fellow Genealogist: You are invited to participate in a major genealogical conference from the comfort of your own computer. On June 10, 2003, Family History Radio will present "eGenConference" the first international, on-line Genealogy Conference. This virtual event will feature over 100 presenters, scores of exhibitors, a genealogy learning environment featuring a variety of courses and social events where you can exchange information and meet scores of others with similar interests. Using streaming media (and other Internet technologies), you will be able to hear presentations, visit virtual booths, participate in round table discussions, download literature and handouts, and attend social events. For added convenience, you can participate anytime (twenty-four hours a day) between June 10th and July 10th from the comfort of your own home. All you need is an Internet connection and audio capability. To learn how you can participate in this event, go to Hofsearch If you have any questions please contact me Cindy Hofmeister 337-288-7278 or by email [email protected] Hope to see you there! Cindy Hofmeister www.hofsearch.com [email protected]

Surnames: HARRY LAVELL Submitter: carla tellor grundy ([email protected]) Date: 03 Apr 2003

And your name of Lager rang a bell with me. My mother has often told me of taking her mother, in the 1930's, for the dedication of the Lager Bridge near Posey. It was on land that had been owned by John Martin Yunker, my maternal great-grandfather. I've seen several newspaper clippings in my Grandmother's files concerning the dedication. It must have been a big deal back then. Mom only remembers that it was extremely muddy that day! Are you familiar with the bridge? John Martin Yunker's wife, Caroline Schoppe, was from Kemnade Germany and came that same route via New Orleans in 1857. Someday I may figure out how she met John Martin since he lived in Clinton Co., but they married in St. Louis in 1861. He was from Hilburghausen, Thuringia, Germany, so I doubt that they knew each other before migrating, He immigrated in 1851 and owned a lumber yard in Carlyle. Apparently he did well in the US of A because he has a very impressive tomb stone in the Carlyle cemetery, across the road from Sidney Breese's big monolith stone. Thanks for making me think about some of these "details" again. Carolyn Wilburn Medlin Spring, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Grass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: RE: [ILCLINTON] Emslander immigrants > The Burrichter name is not in my own family history, but I know of Burrichters who settled in Wabasha (Wabasha County), Minnesota. My paternal grandmother (Anna Lager) was born in Aviston, and her parents moved to Wabasha, Minnesota, when she was a young girl. I met some Burrichter people in Wabasha in the 1960s and 1970s; they farmed in the area where my grandfather and grandmother lived and were also members of the same parish, St. Felix Catholic Church in Wabasha. Several of the Lager family members emigrated from Lengerich, Hannover, Germany, and entered the USA at New Orleans, arriving by ship from Bremen. They moved up river to St. Louis and settled in Clinton County. Some of the Lager family stayed in Illinois and Missouri, while others moved north. Perhaps the Burrichters also came from the Lengerich area. > Paul Grass > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandra [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILCLINTON] Emslander immigrants > > Hi, regarding the above mentioned website, I am researching the names Burrichter and Grothues from the Emslander area, mentioned as immigrants on this web site, who settled first in Aviston, ILL. > > Any one else researching these families? > > Thanks > > Alex in Mo. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

The Burrichter name is not in my own family history, but I know of Burrichters who settled in Wabasha (Wabasha County), Minnesota. My paternal grandmother (Anna Lager) was born in Aviston, and her parents moved to Wabasha, Minnesota, when she was a young girl. I met some Burrichter people in Wabasha in the 1960s and 1970s; they farmed in the area where my grandfather and grandmother lived and were also members of the same parish, St. Felix Catholic Church in Wabasha. Several of the Lager family members emigrated from Lengerich, Hannover, Germany, and entered the USA at New Orleans, arriving by ship from Bremen. They moved up river to St. Louis and settled in Clinton County. Some of the Lager family stayed in Illinois and Missouri, while others moved north. Perhaps the Burrichters also came from the Lengerich area. Paul Grass -----Original Message----- From: Alexandra [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILCLINTON] Emslander immigrants Hi, regarding the above mentioned website, I am researching the names Burrichter and Grothues from the Emslander area, mentioned as immigrants on this web site, who settled first in Aviston, ILL. Any one else researching these families? Thanks Alex in Mo. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Surnames: MCCLURE SMITH Submitter: Gail Glasebrook ([email protected]) Date: 28 Mar 2003 I am looking for any information on my maternal ancestors:STEPHEN MCCLURE & SALLY SMITH. Stephen is in the Clinton Co. census of 1825 & 1830. He and Sally married April 6, 1825 in Clinton Co. He was listed in Gumridge. Where is Gumridge? What churches were around at that time and do they have records that may mention folks? Nothing is known of their parents. Children; John, Robert and Rachel were most likely born in Clinton. Would anything from that timeframe mention births? Any information on them or their relatives would be vastly appreciated. They moved on to Arkanses shortly after 1830.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: [IL-CENTRAL] Mother's Maiden Name > This is a concern of many genealogists. If you take his line of action be > sure you can remember "your mother's maiden name" when asked again! Some ask > instead where you were born, also readily available information. > > The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is > copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the > permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is available at > http://www.RootsForum.com. > > > - The Security of Your Mother's Maiden Name > > This article is an updated version (with minor changes) of an article I > published some months ago. The topic of "keeping your mother's maiden name > secret" keeps reappearing all the time so this article still seems to be > timely. > > I see frequent articles bemoaning the fact that genealogy information on the > Web sometimes includes the maiden name of a living person's mother. These > articles are usually accompanied by great hue and cry that this is a > security risk because this piece of information is often used for security > reasons. These same articles often suggest that ancestral information should > not be placed on the Web because of "security issues." That's dumb! From > where I sit, this is a perfect example of backwards thinking! > > Any institution that uses the mother's maiden name "for security purposes" > is really behind the times and needs to quickly hire a security expert. Even > novice security managers would immediately change that policy. In the United > States and many other countries, mothers' maiden names and other personal > information have always been available from numerous public sources. This > information has always been in the public domain. The invention of the > Internet did not really change anything. A mother's maiden name could easily > be discovered fifty years ago, and the same is still true today. Any > corporation that uses a mother's maiden name for security purposes obviously > doesn't know much about security. > > I usually refuse to do business with companies that insist upon using my > mother's maiden name as a security identifier. I don't want to do business > with any company with a lame security policy. I advise you to do the same: > boycott companies that have inadequate security policies. > > However, if you really want to do business with a company that has a policy > of using your mother's maiden name for security purposes, please remember > that you can always create a fictitious name on the spot. I did open a bank > account some years ago and the bank clerk smiled when she asked for my > mother's maiden name "for security purposes." She did blink a couple of > times when I replied, "Fudpucker," but she wrote that name in the blank on > the application form and didn't say anything. Nobody will ever find that > name on a genealogy Web site of mine! > > There is no legal requirement to supply the correct maiden name, and the > bank or other corporation really doesn't care what name you give them. All > they want is something to enter in the blank space on their form - a name > that you can remember when they ask. I use "Fudpucker" because it is a name > I can remember and also because I find it amusing. However, you can use any > name you wish. My recommendation is that you never, ever supply your > mother's correct maiden name. By using a fictitious name, your security will > not be compromised by a Web site or by a criminal's surreptitious visit to > the state Vital Records Department. > > If an elected official or other bureaucrat ever tries to limit access to > vital records, please feel free to send them a copy of this article. Tell > them it's time to wake up and look at the real issues, and to stop trying to > protect a maiden name policy that is ludicrous to begin with. Then vote > against the politician in the next election. You don't want a backwards > mentality like that in public office! > > If you send a damned fool to Washington, and you don't tell them he's a > damned fool, they'll never find out. -- Mark Twain, 1883 > > A smarter politician would sponsor a bill to make it illegal for a financial > institution to use a mother's maiden name or any other piece of public > domain information for security purposes. But, then again, when did you ever > see a smarter politician? >

Carol has loaded Pam Safriet's transcription of Huey village index at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/1930census/index.htm . If you want more info on a few of these people, send an email to the List - perhaps someone will look it up on Ancestry.com or perhaps Pam might be able to give you more info. There is a special "Searcher" just for the 1930 census online so far. This makes 8 of the 29 Enumeration Districts online, 5 more assigned to volunteers. If you'd like to help on this project, contact Carol at [email protected]

Surnames: MCCLURE SMITH Submitter: Gail Glasebrook ([email protected]) Date: 28 Mar 2003 I am looking for any information on my maternal ancestors:STEPHEN MCCLURE & SALLY SMITH. Stephen is in the Clinton Co. census of 1825 & 1830. He and Sally married April 6, 1825 in Clinton Co. He was listed in Gumridge. Where is Gumridge? What churches were around at that time and do they have records that may mention folks? Nothing is known of their parents. Children; John, Robert and Rachel were most likely born in Clinton. Would anything from that timeframe mention births? Any information on them or their relatives would be vastly appreciated. They moved on to Arkansas shortly after 1830. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Surnames: STINE, WILLIAMS Submitter: Marilyn ([email protected]) Date: 26 Mar 2003

Also, I did find them in the 1880 census on familysearch.org. William is listed as W. H. Walker. They are in Carlyle, Clinton County, Illinois at that time with three of their children. Thanks again. Teri

Dorothy, Thank you so much for all the Creel census information. It's a good addition to the family research. I did look on the Illinois Archives database and didn't find a marriage between William and Phoebe either. Unfortunately, since Walker is such a common name, it's very hard to do research. My next step is the Genforum and Rootsweb boards, etc. Thanks again. Teri Tighe

Hi, Teri, I don't see anything on William Walker born Nov 1850. Couldn't even define him in http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/searc h_census.asp Have you tried to find any of their family in the 1880 census? There are many Walkers throughout the entire history of our County. I was more fortunate in finding Creel info. In 1850, Berryman and Lovina Creel (second wife?) are Household 611 in http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/census/1850census008.htm Son from first marriage (?) lives next door. 1860 Clinton County Census: Household 732 Creel, Berryman, 62, farmer, VA Lovincy, 42, Tenn Jane, 22, IL Jackson, 21, laborer, IL Harvey, 18, laborer, IL Nancy, 13, IL Lydia, 17, IL (age probably wrong based on 1870 census) Phebe, 5, IL Curlee, Eliza, 13, IL Household 733 Creel, James M., 36, farmer, IL Creel, Nancy, 20, IL Van, Emaline, 18, IL Unknown, Paul, 38, laborer, Germ Foster, Jackson, 19, laborer, Germ Household 696 Creel, Mary, 35, IL Mary, 16, IL Alonzo, 13, IL Lovincy, 8, IL Berry, 6, IL Theophilus, 6, IL Joy, Meridith, 26, laborer, IL 1870 Clinton County Census Household 58-59, Santa Fe Township Richard, Stephen, 21, farmer, $4,200 $1,230 IL Richard, Lydia, 19, housekeeper, IL Creel, Louvinia, 54, IL Creel, Febe, 16, IL Sandlen, Amen, 33, Farm Labor, Ger Household 59-60 Creel, James, 44, farmer, $5,000 $1,289 IL Creel, Nancy, 30, housekeeper, IL Bar, Cornelius, 13, IL The only Creel left in Clinton County 1880 census is 25 year old Berryman. There are none in 1900. There are 3 other Creel hits online at http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=ILCLINTON&letter=CP James M. Creel is buried in the oldest portion of the Carlyle City Cemetery. He was born 4 Oct 1823, died 10 Feb 1875. His probate box was # 117, administrator was Nancy Creel. Other probate boxes are: Lovincy's will is in probate box # 69. Dewitt Creels probate box 139, administrator Berryman Creel. Creel, Berryman, # 130, adm. Ezekial J. Creel. The Illinois State Marriage Data Base is at http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/genealogy/forms/marrsrch.htm l Again, I don't see William Walker - Creel marriage. I'd recommend you just insert Creel in the bride line and see what you get. Perhaps they married in Washington Co. which are not included in the data base yet. I recommend that you also list your query on http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/queries/subquery.htm so that if other researchers in the worldwide Rootsweb system search on your surnames, they'll be able to contact you. Let me know if you have more questions. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: [ILCLINTON] William Walker and Phoebe Creel Marriage, etc. > Does anyone have any information about the family below. Am specifically > looking for William Henry Walker's family 1850 and before in Illinois. Any > help would be most appreciated. > > William Henry Walker b: November 1850 in Quincy, Adams County, Illinois. > d: in Noel, McDonald County, Missouri > .. +Phoebe Evelyn Creel b: December 24, 1854 in Carlyle, Clinton > County, Illinois d: in Gan, Sequoyah County, Oklahoma > ..... 2 Clyde Walker > ..... 2 Eva Walker > ..... 2 William C. Walker b: June 1873 in Illinois > ......... +Susan A. ? b: May 1881 in Oklahoma > ..... 2 Minnie Walker b: April 1876 in Illinois > ......... +Edward Stimson b: July 1873 in Illinois > ..... 2 Maude Walker b: 1878 in Illinois > ......... +Cline > ..... 2 Roy L. Walker b: May 1885 in Arkansas > ......... +Arma L. ? b: Abt. 1888 in Arkansas > ..... 2 Walter Harrison Walker b: February 12, 1887 in Mountain Home, > Baxter or White County, Arkansas d: July 17, 1970 in Claycomb Cem. Redkey, > Indiana > ......... +Bertha Lee Peterson b: July 17, 1891 in Fayetteville, > Washington County, Arkansas d: August 14, 1981 in Claycomb Cem. Redkey, > Indiana m: October 07, 1907 in Gans, Oklahoma > > > Teri Tighe > New Jersey > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone have any information about the family below. Am specifically looking for William Henry Walker's family 1850 and before in Illinois. Any help would be most appreciated. William Henry Walker b: November 1850 in Quincy, Adams County, Illinois. d: in Noel, McDonald County, Missouri .. +Phoebe Evelyn Creel b: December 24, 1854 in Carlyle, Clinton County, Illinois d: in Gan, Sequoyah County, Oklahoma ..... 2 Clyde Walker ..... 2 Eva Walker ..... 2 William C. Walker b: June 1873 in Illinois ......... +Susan A. ? b: May 1881 in Oklahoma ..... 2 Minnie Walker b: April 1876 in Illinois ......... +Edward Stimson b: July 1873 in Illinois ..... 2 Maude Walker b: 1878 in Illinois ......... +Cline ..... 2 Roy L. Walker b: May 1885 in Arkansas ......... +Arma L. ? b: Abt. 1888 in Arkansas ..... 2 Walter Harrison Walker b: February 12, 1887 in Mountain Home, Baxter or White County, Arkansas d: July 17, 1970 in Claycomb Cem. Redkey, Indiana ......... +Bertha Lee Peterson b: July 17, 1891 in Fayetteville, Washington County, Arkansas d: August 14, 1981 in Claycomb Cem. Redkey, Indiana m: October 07, 1907 in Gans, Oklahoma Teri Tighe New Jersey

JUSTUS, Daniel 16 Dec 1839 15 Dec 1880 Here rests in God JUSTUS, Marg. S. Wilhel. 6 Sep 1863 11 Nov 1860 Here rests in God German scripture JUSTUS, Maria 1825 1901 S/w Michael JUSTUS, Michael 1815 1902 S/w Maria Leisa, Obviously Margaret's death date is incorrect. I am still looking for our data sheets for the correct death date. Email me if you are interested in these folks. Gloria

In a message dated 3/18/03 8:37:51 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Looking for information on Samuel Just married to Barbara Sika. Leisa, I am not sure if this will be of any help but there is a family of JUSTUS folks in the Washington County, IL area that goes pretty far back. Do you think this is a variant of the JUST name? Gloria

Surnames: JUST COCHRAN SIKA Submitter: Leisa Hicks ([email protected]) Date: 18 Mar 2003 Looking for information on Samuel Just married to Barbara Sika. I have most information on their children. Would like to know when Barbara came to America. And any information on Samuel's parents and siblings.

Am unscribing for about 3 weeks. Thanks to all who keep things moving!! Talk Later. Shari