There are three Hermeling immigrants listed in the book _Vivat Amerika: Auswanderung aus dem Kreis Minden (1816-1933)_ by Gottlieb Riechmann. These would be strictly immigrants from the district of Minden in northern Germany, and then only ones for whom some form of documentation has survived. The three listed are: Hermeling, Christian Hermann Ferdinand (of) Hahlen; (immigrated) before 1858; (presumably to) America. Hermeling, Diedrich Wilhelm (of) Hahlen; (born) 20.12.1827; (immigrated) 1846; America. Hermeling, Johann Heinrich Christian (of) Hahlen; (born) 28.2.1846; (immigrated) 1854. (no destination indicated). Hahlen was a small village just west of Minden (now part of Minden)--my Steffen ancestors came from there. I also have some books compiled from the churchbooks of the village listing families through about 1875. If any of the above sound promising, please contact me and I'll see what additional information I can find. (There are two pages of Hermelings listed in these books.) The surviving immigration records are rather spotty--often only males of military age are listed, females often didn't apply for permission to immigrate, sometimes one family member is listed when, in fact, the entire family immigrated. When looking for immigrants from this area, full names, birthdates, etc. become very important, as names were very similar--for instance, I checked the family of the last immigrant listed above since he likely immigrated with his family due to his age. I found at least three other Johann Heinrich Christian Hermelings before finding the right one (he was, as it turned out, the only surviving son in his family, along with five sisters). Again, contact me if I can be of help. Dan Steffen [email protected]

Need look-ups in Death Record Book for: Aloysius Evers page 94, record # 1201, and H. Ewers, page 94, record # 1476.

Dorothy and Linda, I made a mistake in the date for Christoph Dannaman. Should be June 5,1911. The one on June 5,1916 was his 2nd wife. I had found the marriages, census and naturalization information. The naturalization was his and the Dannaman and Huge marriage was my grandparents, Christoph's son. I really appreciate your help and also think the web site and list are great. Thanks Lee --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).

Renee If you don't get any responses I can give you a snail mail address of a cousin who just married a Hermling. Maybe she could help you out. Couldn't find a Frank in Germantown in 1900 census. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Falk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Hermeling > Hi, Renee. > > Hopefully others might respond to your query, too. > > According to the telephone book, there is one Hermeling listed in Germantown. You might try an internet locator like http://www.anywho.com/index.html for the State of Illinois. Those with a zip code that begin with a 61xxx are further upstate, probably closer to Chicago. Quincy might be 150 miles from here, give or take 50. > > Did you try the "Search our site for your Clinton County ancestor" that is at the top of our basic page? I see 34 links, including one to the "Emigration, etc." page. And the 1920 census, and marriages, and burials, etc. > > We have a volunteer-for-a-fee person that will do look-ups in the St. Boniface Germantown records, she is the last person listed on http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/lookups.htm The church will not respond to your queries, they will give it to her. > > You could also try the http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=ILClinton and tick that second circle that says "Surnames and selected Soundex equivalents". That will give you some alternate spellings that are online, you'll probably pick all 3 alternate spellings and check each link. The Hermeling ones might be included in the 34 links above, but the other 3 will be new. The cemeteries have their own index at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/cemetery/index.htm > > I don't see anything that might be transcribed as Hermeling in the 1880 census, although the familysearch.com might have something transcribed better. In 1900, I see William born in 1846 in Germany and his family, in case you have access to Ancestry.com. There is also a Mary Hermline born Sep 32 in Germ that could be yours. She is living in the household of Bowing, Benard, Feb 68, IL. I don't have access to a 1910 census index. If you need help on any of those, just ask. I didn't see anything on Frank, but he might show up on one of those online indexes if you just query for "Illinois". > > Dorothy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Renee > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:58 PM > > > I found your website while searching for my family history. > > I was trying to find when the Hermelings came to the US. I know that soon after coming to the US they lived in Illinois and that several still live in Illinois today. > > Do Hermelings still live in Clinton County today? I believe that my great grandfather Frank Hermeling lived in Quincy, Illinois. Is that near Clinton County? Is there any record of a Frank Hermeling? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > I love your website. > > Thanks > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Netwitz. Are your virus definitions up to date?] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Netwitz. Are your virus definitions up to date?]

Thanks Dorothy for responding so fast. I have visited Aviston and St. Francis Cemetery. I have taken pictures of all of the Venhaus's tombstones. I have been able to figure who was who. My Mother is still alive and she was a Venhaus; so, she was able to tell me how I was related to all of the Venhaus's I found. My only problem was finding information on Henry Venhaus who died in the 1890's. Hopefully, others will reply to my email and be able to tell me more. Thanks again, Phyllis

I am looking for any information on Henry Venhaus.  I know that he was born in Germany but he died in 1894 or 1896 in Aviston, IL.  He was married to Christine (Jansen) Venhaus - born Nov. 1, 1846 and died Jan. 25, 1936.  I have Christine Venhaus's death certificate but I cannot seem to get one on Henry Venhaus.  Christine Venhaus is buried in St. Francis Catholic Cemetery in Aviston, IL.  There is a tombstone for Heinrich Venhaus in the same cemetery but I have not proof that this is the Henry Venhaus I am looking for.  If anyone knows where I can get information or has any information on this Henry Venhaus, please write back through this website or through my email address - [email protected]  Thank you. Phyllis (Kues) STroud

Hi, Phyllis, Perhaps others will respond also. Linda H.: If you are going to the library this weekend to look up other obits, would you please see if there is anything on Henry/Henrich Venhaus who died on 14 Feb 1896 and/or on Christine Jansen Venhaus who died on 25 Jan 1936. Those dates are unproofed as of now. Four of us are in the process of reading the tombstones in Aviston now. We do have the stones for Henry and Christine, (and 8 other Venhaus'es so far) but, like you, we can't tie them together through the stones since the people were buried chronologically according to date of death. We haven't talked to the priest yet so we don't know the climate there for responding to genealogy queries, we've been asked to wait another two weeks before we try to talk to him. If we get to look at the death books, perhaps we'll find the clues for you. Check back in a month or two for an updated status. Our 1920 Census searcher is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/census/1920/index.htm - but I don't see Elizabeth or any 74 years old Venhaus. If you go to the "Search our site for your Clinton County ancestor" at the top of our http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/ you'll find 23 links to Venhaus. If you go to http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=ILClinton perhaps you'll find some different links. Another possible searcher is http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/deathrec/record010.htm#sh_D-X_72 The cemetery searcher on http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/cemetery/index.htm . Some of the 1896 deaths were recorded and some were not. He was probably one of the "not's" since he isn't on the http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/deathrec/record010.htm Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Henry Venhaus > I am looking for any information on Henry Venhaus. I know that he was born > in Germany but he died in 1894 or 1896 in Aviston, IL. He was married to > Christine (Jansen) Venhaus - born Nov. 1, 1846 and died Jan. 25, 1936. I have > Christine Venhaus's death certificate but I cannot seem to get one on Henry > Venhaus. Christine Venhaus is buried in St. Francis Catholic Cemetery in Aviston, > IL. There is a tombstone for Heinrich Venhaus in the same cemetery but I have > not proof that this is the Henry Venhaus I am looking for. If anyone knows > where I can get information or has any information on this Henry Venhaus, please > write back through this website or through my email address - > [email protected] Thank you. > > Phyllis (Kues) STroud > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Renee. Hopefully others might respond to your query, too. According to the telephone book, there is one Hermeling listed in Germantown. You might try an internet locator like http://www.anywho.com/index.html for the State of Illinois. Those with a zip code that begin with a 61xxx are further upstate, probably closer to Chicago. Quincy might be 150 miles from here, give or take 50. Did you try the "Search our site for your Clinton County ancestor" that is at the top of our basic page? I see 34 links, including one to the "Emigration, etc." page. And the 1920 census, and marriages, and burials, etc. We have a volunteer-for-a-fee person that will do look-ups in the St. Boniface Germantown records, she is the last person listed on http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/lookups.htm The church will not respond to your queries, they will give it to her. You could also try the http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=ILClinton and tick that second circle that says "Surnames and selected Soundex equivalents". That will give you some alternate spellings that are online, you'll probably pick all 3 alternate spellings and check each link. The Hermeling ones might be included in the 34 links above, but the other 3 will be new. The cemeteries have their own index at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/cemetery/index.htm I don't see anything that might be transcribed as Hermeling in the 1880 census, although the familysearch.com might have something transcribed better. In 1900, I see William born in 1846 in Germany and his family, in case you have access to Ancestry.com. There is also a Mary Hermline born Sep 32 in Germ that could be yours. She is living in the household of Bowing, Benard, Feb 68, IL. I don't have access to a 1910 census index. If you need help on any of those, just ask. I didn't see anything on Frank, but he might show up on one of those online indexes if you just query for "Illinois". Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: Renee To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:58 PM I found your website while searching for my family history. I was trying to find when the Hermelings came to the US. I know that soon after coming to the US they lived in Illinois and that several still live in Illinois today. Do Hermelings still live in Clinton County today? I believe that my great grandfather Frank Hermeling lived in Quincy, Illinois. Is that near Clinton County? Is there any record of a Frank Hermeling? Any help would be appreciated. I love your website. Thanks

Hi, Lee, I'll give you one answer on the first part of your query, I'm not sure it's the only answer. Someone else might be able to answer about the funeral home and church records. I went to the Illinois State Death Index for 1916 - 1950 http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/idphdeathindex.html and inserted "Dannaman" for "Clinton County." It gives the name for a Dannaman that died on Jun 5, 1916, although the given name was transcribed differently. It gives you the certificate number that you can use if you order a copy of that death certificate. The County Clerk's info is at http://www.clintonco.org/clerk_county.htm Or you could order one cheaper from http://www.ilsos.net/cgi-bin/archives/irad.s A third choice would be to ask someone to get you a copy from the Springfield, IL archives, cost maybe $3, we could get you an email address. Perhaps you could send an email to the Clerk and ask if there is a possibility that the entry is for Christophe. Again, it could be a nickname for him? Just for fun, I tried another Death Index query for "Statewide" and the two Clinton Dannemans are the only ones listed. Of course you can order both certificates at the same time. In this data base, you must enter each possible alternate spellings if you think there was more family that died in Illinois. If you go to the "Search our site for your Clinton County ancestors" at the top of our basic http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/ , it will give you a link to the 1920 census entry and one marriage. Then go to http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/sursrch.pl http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=ILClinton and tick that second circle that says "Surnames and selected Soundex equivalents". That will give you some alternate spellings that are online, you'll probably pick all 3 alternate spellings and check each link. Last suggestion is the Illinois State Marriage Data base which covers through 1920 for our county, 1900 for some other counties. Just insert Danneman for the Groom Statewide, and then do the same for the Bride. Again, you'll have to check for each alternate spelling. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "lee markle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Death Cert., Clinton Co. > I am trying to find a death certificate for Christopher (Christoph) Dannaman. He was b/ march, 1866, and died June 5, 1916 in Clinton Co. He is buried in the Lutheran Cemetry at Hoffman. He is not in any of the databases on GenWeb or Rootsweb. > > Would someone know the address of the place in Clinton Courthouse , that i could write to? Also the name, address of the church or funeral home that maybe would have taken care of his funeral in that time period? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Lee > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am trying to find a death certificate for Christopher (Christoph) Dannaman. He was b/ march, 1866, and died June 5, 1916 in Clinton Co. He is buried in the Lutheran Cemetry at Hoffman. He is not in any of the databases on GenWeb or Rootsweb. Would someone know the address of the place in Clinton Courthouse , that i could write to? Also the name, address of the church or funeral home that maybe would have taken care of his funeral in that time period? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Lee --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).

Carol has loaded the Clark Cemetery in East Fork Township and she's loaded the St. Dominic's Church's, in Breese, death records, thanks to John Ratermann, Pat Huck and St. Dominic's. If anyone else can get access to any church's records, whether they are birth, death, marriage, communion, baptisims, etc., remember what Granny always said "It's nice to share with others."

Does anyone have a connection to an Edward Cox who married a Blanche Beatrice (Landauer) Pursely? They would have been still married in the 1940's. Thank you for your time, Judy Landauer >Dorothy Falk's response regarding the Cox Family inquiry: If the Rebecca Cox >referenced by Dorothy is related to your family, Rebecca is also related to >mine. More information available if you want. > >Robert A. Moore >Oroville, California > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- Richard & Judy Landauer Shelley Idaho 83274 [email protected]

This was in my hometown, Tallahassee FL, paper this morning. It's a frightening thought that we may be one of these absentminded people. Posted on Tue, Jun. 03, 2003 Pile of junk or slice of life? Lost-and-found bins may hold little bit of both By Tony Bridges DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER Want to really get to know a town? Check the lost and found at its copy shops. People forget everything imaginable there, from birth and death records to compromising photos and sometimes even their identities. The bits they leave behind on the photocopier glass offer little clues to their lives and the life of the city. "You find a lot of interesting things," said Terry Crews, who works at Kinko's on West Tennessee Street. "You learn about different people - we're all different, and we're all the same." At Kinko's, the forgotten items get dumped into a scuffed plastic bin. The store usually keeps lost property for a few months and then tosses it out, unless employees can track down the owner. Most of the time, people just never come back. Stuff piles up fast. Last week, clerk Bryan Moye grabbed the tub and carried it to the store's front counter. The bin must weigh nearly 30 pounds, stuffed to the top of its 18-inch sides and packed so tight not much else can fit. "That's just over the last two months," he said. The books take up the most space. There's a text on computer surveillance and another on comparative religions. There's a Florida travel book, a Boy Scout Handbook and a copy of the city of Quincy's Comprehensive Plan. There's a Florida atlas with a sticker from Havana Elementary School. A student making copies for a school project, maybe? Across the street at Target Copy, books are high on the list of most-forgotten items. Employees routinely run stacks back to Florida State University or a few blocks away to the county library, said manager Kevin Wable. Some of what gets left is the routine flotsam of life. In the bin at Kinko's, there are legal letters, time sheets, doctors' notes and resumes - looks as though someone wants a job at Paramount Studios. Dig a little farther down and there's a lease for business equipment, a driver's license and one of those annoying chain e-mails. Other bits are more intriguing, such as a list of caves in the lowlands of Belize. Kinko's sits near the Florida State and Florida A&M campuses, and it's easy to tell that students come in. The bin is packed with fliers for fraternity parties, ladies' night drink specials and menus for student hangouts. There's a short story from a creative writing class, notes from a physics lesson and what looks like an advance copy of a math test. There's even a mock-up of a magazine cover for something called "The Tomahawk Chop." Sample headline: "Fashion 101 - Do's and Don'ts." And, of course, there are the photos. Some are just typical family snapshots, those endless close-ups of toothless babies. Others are the kind students don't want their parents to see - like the young woman drinking alcohol off a man's stomach. A few are just funny, such as the snapshot of Spider-Man playing the drums, or the man posing with a Hooter's waitress, wearing a big grin. Sometimes people leave nudie photos, too. "They say, 'I'm doing this for my boyfriend, and I don't want anybody to see,'" Moye said. "Then they make copies and walk out and leave them on the glass." There aren't any in the bin. What happens to them? "They get shredded," Moye said, straight-faced. But not everything that gets forgotten is worth a chuckle. Sometimes people leave the serious things they need to live. Kinko's has a bundle of passports and driver's licenses and even a few death certificates. At Target, they've found results of HIV tests, immigration paperwork and tax returns. One time, a man left every piece of his identification. Another time, someone left a $25,000 tax-refund check. "It just blows me away how people can be so careless with such important documents," Wable said. "We all get in a hurry, but how can you leave your whole life behind?" So, what have you forgotten lately?

Corns: The 1860 Clinton County Census shows Household # 945: Cox, Isaac W., 37, IL Cox, Minerva, 34, TN Cox, William, 10, IL Cox, Richard, 11, IL Cox, Kansas, male, 16, IL Cox, Julia, 14, IL Cox, Mahala, 5, IL Cox, Matilda, 2 Gibson, Susan, 21, OH The only other Cox in 1860 was: Cox, Rebecca, 19, IL living in the Henry & Sarah Lear household along with 5 other Lears and 5 other non-Lear people, total 13 people. In 1870, Household 83-84, Brookside Twp: Cox, Isaac, 47, farmer, $5,600, $1,450, IL Cox, Elizabeth, 57, keeps house, IL Cox, Richard, 21 at home, IL Cox, Mahala 16, at home, IL Kendy, James, 9, IL Cox, Marshal, 9, IL Cox, Grant, 5, IL Cox, Mercua, 4, female, IL (microfilm might give different spelling) Still 1870, East Fork Twp. household 77-78 The James & Mary Smith household with 2 Edwards children. Cox, Nancy 19, Domestic, IL Cox, John, 8, IL Still 1870, Wade Twp. household 19-19 The Frank & Augusta household with 4 laborers and 1 other domestic Cox, Ida, 13, Domestic, IL Still 1870, Wheatfield Twp. Household 17-17 In the Richard & Sarah household with 4 kids ages 3, 3, 2, 1 plus 1 laborer Cox, Nancy J. 10, IL If the marriage licenses in http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/genealogy/forms/marrsrch.htm l in Clinton County for Cox, William is for your guy, the names of his parents should be on the court house marriage entry. If all goes well, I plan on going to our local FHC within the next 2 weeks and would be glad to check the microfilm for you. Let me know if this is the right guy. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Re: Cox Family History > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/70.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for a William H. Cox fron Centralia born around 1860. I wonder if he could also be a son of Isaac. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dorothy Falk's response regarding the Cox Family inquiry: If the Rebecca Cox referenced by Dorothy is related to your family, Rebecca is also related to mine. More information available if you want. Robert A. Moore Oroville, California

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/70.1 Message Board Post: Looking for a William H. Cox fron Centralia born around 1860. I wonder if he could also be a son of Isaac.

In a message dated 5/30/03 5:28:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I suppose I must send info to the ILTrails address. I wonder if I could see > some of the previous writings. > Hi, Darlene! I debated as to whether or not to write to just you or the whole lists. Since we just found the Caroline Wolf person, I decided to send to everyone. Oh, well. Yes, you can see the thread of discussion by going to their archives. I think you can access the ILTrails site by going to www.ILTrails.org There are directions there for getting on the list and for searching the archives. Good luck to you. Gloria

Dorothy and Gloria, I thank you for telling me about the discussion on Wolfs. I suppose I must send info to the ILTrails address. I wonder if I could see some of the previous writings. It's interesting that you wrote me about Adam Wolf's marriage. I have a family history written in about 1976 in the Sumner Co., KS book that states that Adam Wolf and Anna Landauer were married inon 7 Feb 1869 by Rev. Spiez. In 1872, it says, Adam and Anna Wolf moved from Il To Kansas. I think I've heard before that everyone is not on that IL marriages list. I wonder who I could contact. Thanks again, Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] The Wolf surname and variants > To all you Wolf seekers: > > Just yesterday a friend and I read the old Hughson or Elmwood Cemetery in > Clement Township, Clinton County, IL. There was one Wolf there: > > Caroline Wolf b 26 Aug 1852 died 15 Jul 1911. "In God We Trust." > Adam Wolf is not in the Illinois marriage database so that took place later > after they moved to Ks. > > Hope this helps. > Dorothy and Gloria > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 5/30/03 1:08:58 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Adam Wolf is not in the Illinois marriage database so that took place later > after they moved to Ks. Alright! Alright already! How's this? Adam Wolf is not in the "current" Illinois marriage database "that is online" so "maybe" that took place later, after they moved to Ks. Okay? :-) Gloria

To all you Wolf seekers: Just yesterday a friend and I read the old Hughson or Elmwood Cemetery in Clement Township, Clinton County, IL. There was one Wolf there: Caroline Wolf b 26 Aug 1852 died 15 Jul 1911. "In God We Trust." Adam Wolf is not in the Illinois marriage database so that took place later after they moved to Ks. Hope this helps. Dorothy and Gloria