Hi, You might also check the St. Clair County site and see what they have. Dorothy, can you post that URL since I can't get to my favorites? Thanks. Gloria

St. Clair Co. is http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/stchome.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] > Hi, > > You might also check the St. Clair County site and see what they have. > Dorothy, can you post that URL since I can't get to my favorites? > Thanks. > Gloria > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Jim, I see James Monroe Biswell's marriage in the Illinois state marriage data base at http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html I just inserted Biswell in the statewide groom data base. You could try to call up William Brown the same way - I skimmed the first 500 but I don't know his middle initial. You'll also have to call up Wm and Willis Brown. Then for fun, you could try Biswell statewide brides. If you still don't find anything, the Washington County marriages are not in the data base, you could check there. I assume you already checked in AR and MO. We do have a few other Biswell hits on http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/ "Search our sight for your Clinton County Ancestors surname" if you haven't seen those. Can't think of anything else right now to help you. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Christensen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] > I am looking for information on the James Monroe Biswell family that lived in the Monroe, Clinton Co., Area He married a Susan Jones on May 21,1856 In Monroe Co., ILL. They had 9 children. Their daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie) Biswell is my great grandmother. I am trying to find information about her and my grandfather, William (Willis/Bill) Brown. Specifically, when and where they were married. They had a son Named Archie, who died the end of March 1899. A son, Elmer James, a daughter, Cora Jane, and my grandfather William (Willis) McKinley Brown. I have been told by a family member that Bill Brown died before my grandfather was born in 1895. My grandfather was born in Pocahontas, Randolph Co., AR. > Lizzie remarried to a Charles Josephus Middleton on Feb. 15, 1899 in Ripley Co., MO. They had one son, John Wesley Middleton, born in Donathan/Doniphan, Ripley co., MO on July 29, 1900. He was my great uncle. I would appreciate anything on them that I can get. Thanks > Charlotte McClain Christensen > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Everyone, Melody's computer broke down this week. If you have ask for a look up on the Clinton County Wills, she will get back to you ASAP. Her computer should be out of the hospital in the next week or so. Carol

I have a greatgreataunt Ruth Ann FULTON CLARK MIDDLETON who was married to Joel Middleton and lived in Iuka, Marion Co., IL. She had a daughter, Rebecca Clark who lived with her well into her thirties. Then in 1880 she married a Charles MIDDLETON and moved to TX. I found Rebecca and Edgar Middleton in a TX cemetery listing. She had died in 1881, and Edgar had died soon after. Ruth Ann and Joel had a son, Josephus and many of this Middleton line lived in MO. I am thinking that this may be your line of Middletons as well. I have a little more about this line that I can share if you want it. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Christensen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] > I am looking for information on the James Monroe Biswell family that lived in the Monroe, Clinton Co., Area He married a Susan Jones on May 21,1856 In Monroe Co., ILL. They had 9 children. Their daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie) Biswell is my great grandmother. I am trying to find information about her and my grandfather, William (Willis/Bill) Brown. Specifically, when and where they were married. They had a son Named Archie, who died the end of March 1899. A son, Elmer James, a daughter, Cora Jane, and my grandfather William (Willis) McKinley Brown. I have been told by a family member that Bill Brown died before my grandfather was born in 1895. My grandfather was born in Pocahontas, Randolph Co., AR. > Lizzie remarried to a Charles Josephus Middleton on Feb. 15, 1899 in Ripley Co., MO. They had one son, John Wesley Middleton, born in Donathan/Doniphan, Ripley co., MO on July 29, 1900. He was my great uncle. I would appreciate anything on them that I can get. Thanks > Charlotte McClain Christensen > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hey I got your post on the Clinton message board today, you must have figured it all out. Hope we get some nibbles on it. kat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Christensen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] > I am looking for information on the James Monroe Biswell family that lived in the Monroe, Clinton Co., Area He married a Susan Jones on May 21,1856 In Monroe Co., ILL. They had 9 children. Their daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie) Biswell is my great grandmother. I am trying to find information about her and my grandfather, William (Willis/Bill) Brown. Specifically, when and where they were married. They had a son Named Archie, who died the end of March 1899. A son, Elmer James, a daughter, Cora Jane, and my grandfather William (Willis) McKinley Brown. I have been told by a family member that Bill Brown died before my grandfather was born in 1895. My grandfather was born in Pocahontas, Randolph Co., AR. > Lizzie remarried to a Charles Josephus Middleton on Feb. 15, 1899 in Ripley Co., MO. They had one son, John Wesley Middleton, born in Donathan/Doniphan, Ripley co., MO on July 29, 1900. He was my great uncle. I would appreciate anything on them that I can get. Thanks > Charlotte McClain Christensen > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Netwitz. Are your virus definitions up to date?] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Netwitz. Are your virus definitions up to date?]

I am looking for information on the James Monroe Biswell family that lived in the Monroe, Clinton Co., Area He married a Susan Jones on May 21,1856 In Monroe Co., ILL. They had 9 children. Their daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie) Biswell is my great grandmother. I am trying to find information about her and my grandfather, William (Willis/Bill) Brown. Specifically, when and where they were married. They had a son Named Archie, who died the end of March 1899. A son, Elmer James, a daughter, Cora Jane, and my grandfather William (Willis) McKinley Brown. I have been told by a family member that Bill Brown died before my grandfather was born in 1895. My grandfather was born in Pocahontas, Randolph Co., AR. Lizzie remarried to a Charles Josephus Middleton on Feb. 15, 1899 in Ripley Co., MO. They had one son, John Wesley Middleton, born in Donathan/Doniphan, Ripley co., MO on July 29, 1900. He was my great uncle. I would appreciate anything on them that I can get. Thanks Charlotte McClain Christensen

In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:37:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > <[email protected]> > Please remove from email list, thank you

Dorothy, I went to the web page printed in the second line below. That is where I looked at surnames and found the Lander name. That is all I know, but I am searching desperately for all Lander families in order to overcome my stalemate on finding my great grandmother who was Mary Lander. She married Christian Wolf and Mary died in 1876, leaving me without many sources to find more about her. My grandmother was only nine months old when her mother, Mary, died. Any info on August Lander might help me. I'm going to the Midwestern Roots Conference in Indianapolis today and will be back Saturday. Thank you, Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Falk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Smith, Bankson` > Hi. > > Obviously records from 1819 are skimpy indeed. > > Our web page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/ It does include our > head of household censuses from 1818, 1820 and 1825. And that's probably as > much as you're going to get for those years. > > We also have the earliest marriages listed there. They are also listed in > the Illinois State data base at > http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/marriage.html We have > Miranda Bankson married to Charles Slump, but that old handwriting was > pretty difficult to read sometimes. In the state data base, I inserted > "Bankson" into the Brides statewide, and it says the only Miranda married > Charles Stamp. No Bankston brides. Orenda Bankson married Samuel Smith in > Clinton County if you think they could have used their middle names during > that time of their life. > > There are some possibilities of your John F. Smith (compared to another John > F. Smith) being mentioned in our 1881 History of Marion and Clinton > Counties. There is a copy of that at the library - make sure you get the > indexed copy. The Historical Society is open on Thursdays, they will have a > copy for purchase if you found anything you can't do without. They might > have something else, but again, not much exists for those years. Deaths and > births weren't registered until 1878, and then only partially. > > Probably the best bet would be to go to the court house (go thru metal > detector) and go to the Circuit Clerk's office. Try to get there no later > than 1:00 if you can. They have a computerized listing of the probate boxes > there. There is one for John F. Smith, but I have no idea what date it > is/was. If you luck out, perhaps there might be a will in there and will > list his children's names. The county clerk will have to go down to the > storage area in the basement and find the folder for you. You will be > allowed to read it and request copies (50 cents each) of anything you want. > Check the computer for any other name, such as Andrew Bankson, etc. before > you ask for the first one, so they only have to make one trip. Unless you > find more new goodies inside the first folder. > > The next door way in the court house is the County Clerk's office. They > might make you a copy of the ledger page for that Miranda that we have > online if you think that the spelling is wrong. If it is wrong, please let > me know and we'll change it on our page and in the state data base. If you > find anything on our web page about initial purchase of land, this is the > same office to ask for a copy of those records. > > We have links to the library, the History Society, the Circuit Clerk and the > County Clerk online. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:23 PM > Subject: [ILCLINTON] David Smith > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Surnames: Smith, Bankston > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/166 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > David Smith was born in Clinton County, Il., in 1819, and we think his > Father was John F. Smith, who moved to Clinton, County, Il., in 1819. > > David Smith married Miranda Bankston, daughter of Andrew Bankston. > > We also think that David and Miranda were married in Il, and had one child > there, before moving to Bellevue, Jackson County, Il. > > Where would I start looking, as my daughter and I are coming to Clinton > County next week. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Dorothy, Could you do me a favor and see if there is an obituary or genealogy information on the death of August Lander b. 3-7-1864 Record #2 Source B1864-1900. (Copied from your surnames on the website.) Thank you, Darlene

Hi. Obviously records from 1819 are skimpy indeed. Our web page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/ It does include our head of household censuses from 1818, 1820 and 1825. And that's probably as much as you're going to get for those years. We also have the earliest marriages listed there. They are also listed in the Illinois State data base at http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/marriage.html We have Miranda Bankson married to Charles Slump, but that old handwriting was pretty difficult to read sometimes. In the state data base, I inserted "Bankson" into the Brides statewide, and it says the only Miranda married Charles Stamp. No Bankston brides. Orenda Bankson married Samuel Smith in Clinton County if you think they could have used their middle names during that time of their life. There are some possibilities of your John F. Smith (compared to another John F. Smith) being mentioned in our 1881 History of Marion and Clinton Counties. There is a copy of that at the library - make sure you get the indexed copy. The Historical Society is open on Thursdays, they will have a copy for purchase if you found anything you can't do without. They might have something else, but again, not much exists for those years. Deaths and births weren't registered until 1878, and then only partially. Probably the best bet would be to go to the court house (go thru metal detector) and go to the Circuit Clerk's office. Try to get there no later than 1:00 if you can. They have a computerized listing of the probate boxes there. There is one for John F. Smith, but I have no idea what date it is/was. If you luck out, perhaps there might be a will in there and will list his children's names. The county clerk will have to go down to the storage area in the basement and find the folder for you. You will be allowed to read it and request copies (50 cents each) of anything you want. Check the computer for any other name, such as Andrew Bankson, etc. before you ask for the first one, so they only have to make one trip. Unless you find more new goodies inside the first folder. The next door way in the court house is the County Clerk's office. They might make you a copy of the ledger page for that Miranda that we have online if you think that the spelling is wrong. If it is wrong, please let me know and we'll change it on our page and in the state data base. If you find anything on our web page about initial purchase of land, this is the same office to ask for a copy of those records. We have links to the library, the History Society, the Circuit Clerk and the County Clerk online. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] David Smith > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Smith, Bankston > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/166 > > Message Board Post: > > David Smith was born in Clinton County, Il., in 1819, and we think his Father was John F. Smith, who moved to Clinton, County, Il., in 1819. > David Smith married Miranda Bankston, daughter of Andrew Bankston. > We also think that David and Miranda were married in Il, and had one child there, before moving to Bellevue, Jackson County, Il. > Where would I start looking, as my daughter and I are coming to Clinton County next week. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith, Bankston Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/166 Message Board Post: David Smith was born in Clinton County, Il., in 1819, and we think his Father was John F. Smith, who moved to Clinton, County, Il., in 1819. David Smith married Miranda Bankston, daughter of Andrew Bankston. We also think that David and Miranda were married in Il, and had one child there, before moving to Bellevue, Jackson County, Il. Where would I start looking, as my daughter and I are coming to Clinton County next week.

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Thanks. I have a copy of that tombstone. I just don't know how this tombstone is related to us. It seems that every Kues so far buried in ST. Francis is related; so, somehow this one must be. I just don't know how. Phyllis

Hi Dorothy, Thank you so much for the information. When you were reading St. Francis Cemetery, did you come across Katy Kues's tombstone or Maria Catherine Kues's tombstone? Jaime and I were there 3 times now and could not find it; yet, I know that they died and were buried in AViston, Illinois. Phyllis

No, we didn't see stones for them. Often times the families didn't have money for stones for babies/children, they had to use every penny they had to keep the other family members alive. Or the stones were so much smaller that the quality hasn't made it through these 100 + years. The only baby stone in St. Francis Cemetery that we show is B 4 63 KUES, J. Wilhelm 22 Nov 1878 16 Jun 1881 Here Rests. * ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] Death Record > Hi Dorothy, > > Thank you so much for the information. When you were reading St. Francis > Cemetery, did you come across Katy Kues's tombstone or Maria Catherine Kues's > tombstone? Jaime and I were there 3 times now and could not find it; yet, I > know that they died and were buried in AViston, Illinois. > > Phyllis > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Unproofed: KUES Katy 0y 11m 24d died 19 Jan 1890 born Aviston died Aviston cause: dysentery buried Aviston on 21 Jan 1890 KUES Maria Catharine F 4y 4m 3d died 17 Jun 1880 born Aviston died Aviston cause: made no diagnosis ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Death Record > Looking in the Death Records Book 1 Index, Dec. 1877 - June 1903 > > Katy Kues - Pg. 180, Record #2319 > > Maria Catherine Kues - Pg 51, Record 653 > > Any help on information for the above would be appreciated. > > Phyllis (Kues) Stroud > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >