Just passing along an informative and interesting site about Hanover. It has an English version! Enjoy! Gloria --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 11/27/03 1:01:29 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: [Germans-STL] Hanover-informative website > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > An interesting and informative website concerning the Kingdom of Hanover > and emigration > http://www.geschichte.uni-hannover.de/projekte/amerika/index.html > Happy Thanksgiving!

----- Original Message ----- From: First Families To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: [SOIL] 1600s American Ancestors Update Hello Everyone: Those of you who are working on your lines back to your 1600s American Ancestors will find the1600s Ancestors Data Base to be of great help. There are over 26,500 Ancestors who have descendants living today. I have also added several National Societies who have proven many of these Ancestors. Also at this time a few new respected Reference works that contain thousands of sources including some of the early colonists who have Royal Blood lines. All the entries are coded to indicate to which reference work or which National Society has at least one of their proven lines. Several of the National Societies have over 20 different lines from a single Ancestor. When you enter the 1600s Ancestor Data Base be sure to look at the top of each data page for the link that takes you to the "Data Base Information Page". Here you will find the codes and references listed and how to use them. This is must reading to understand the Data Base. We are constantly updating the Data Base with additional Ancestors added as time permits. You will find the 1600s Ancestor Data Base at: http://www.firstfamilies.org/db/ Everyone has FREE access to all our web site and the reports contained there. Enjoy and Happy Hunting Ryan Jackson Data Base Manager America's First Families

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sherman/ Ring Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ig.2ADE/17.1 Message Board Post: I realize this is an old posting, however I haven't had this info all that long. The John Sherman b. 25 Mar 1804, Ky d. 10 Nov 1870 (my records) buried at Ebenezer Cemetary in Est Fork TWP. Married my gggrandmother Mary (Chilton) Ring the 19th July 1866 in Clinton County.They are listed in the 1870 U.S. Census ED: 18 July 1870 living in Sandoval, Marion, IL film# m593 image 329 Ancesty online images Sherman John 66 M W FARMER NC Sherman Mary 44 F W Keeps House TN Ring Mary 12 F W Keeps House ILL Ring Joseph 12 M W ILL Ring Martha 10 F W ILL RING James 19 M W ILL I t has John as being born in Nc. but I am sure it is your John. I have a copy of their marriage lic. Hope this helps.

<A HREF="http://www.anzwers.org/free/italiangen/italynames.html">Italian Names and History of Italian Names and Italian Surnames.</A> I ran across the above site when looking for a translation site and thought some of our listers could use this. It has lots of info. Gloria

Genealogists, particularly those interested in the use of technology, will meet in St. Louis from 22-24 January 2004 for NGS GENTECH 2004. December 1 is the deadline for the advance registration discount. Since 1993, GENTECH has been the national conference for people interested in GENealogy and TECHnology. In 2002 GENTECH strengthened its infrastructure and expanded its role by becoming a division of the National Genealogical Society. Each year the conference has featured a panel of nationally known speakers who have addressed themselves to every aspect of the use of computer and Internet technology to support genealogical research - to meet the needs of advanced users as well as those just beginning to use technology in their research. This year there will be a special Librarian's Pre-Conference at NGS GENTECH Thursday, January 22, 2004. Details of this special Pre-Conference are at: www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/gentech04/precon-schedule.htm. Information on the entire NGS GENTECH conference can be found at: http://www.eshow2000.com/ngsgentech/register_now.cfm or at the St. Louis Genealogical Society website: www.stlgs.org/gentech2004 John Konvalinka, CGRS(sm), CGL(sm) www.konvalinka.com CGRS (Certified Genealogical Records Specialist) and CGL (Certified Genealogical Lecturer) are service marks of the Board for the Certification of Genealogists <http://www.BCGcertification.org> used under license by certified persons after periodic competency evaluations.

For those who are interested in honoring the veterans of WWII, this is the link to the website explaining the memorial: <A HREF="http://www.springfield-il.com/ww2Memorial/index.shtml">World War II Illinois Veterans Memorial</A>

----- Original Message ----- From: John W Konvalinka To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:19 AM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] An Educational Event for Genealogists Genealogists, particularly those interested in the use of technology, will meet in St. Louis from 22-24 January 2004 for NGS GENTECH 2004. December 1 is the deadline for the "early bird" registration discount. Since 1993, GENTECH has been the national conference for people interested in GENealogy and TECHnology. In 2002 GENTECH strengthened its infrastructure and expanded its role by becoming a division of the National Genealogical Society. Each year the conference has featured a panel of nationally known speakers who have addressed themselves to every aspect of the use of computer and Internet technology to support genealogical research - to meet the needs of advanced users as well as those just beginning to use technology in their research. This year there will be a special Librarian's Pre-Conference at NGS GENTECH Thursday, January 22, 2004. Details of this special Pre-Conference are at: www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/gentech04/precon-schedule.htm. Information on the entire NGS GENTECH conference can be found at: http://www.eshow2000.com/ngsgentech/register_now.cfm or at the St. Louis Genealogical Society website: www.stlgs.org/gentech2004 John Konvalinka, CGRS(sm), CGL(sm) www.konvalinka.com CGRS (Certified Genealogical Records Specialist) and CGL (Certified Genealogical Lecturer) are service marks of the Board for the Certification of Genealogists <http://www.BCGcertification.org> used under license by certified persons after periodic competency evaluations.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Moore Marshall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/182 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information on my 3G grandparents, Emery Moore and Sindy (Marshall) Moore. I have very little information on them--basically just their names from their daughter's obituary. I have not been able to find them in ANY of the federal census(es). Their daughter's name was Annie Elizabeth Moore, and she was born in Carlyle in 1867. She married a coal miner named John Fie. I find conflicting information on where her parents were born in various census--in the 1920 census her father's birthplace is listed as "India", and in 1930 it is listed as "Oklahoma." I imagine "India" was probably short for Indian Territory. In 1920, Sindy's birthplace was listed as Illinois, but in 1930 it simply says "United States." I believe that Emery Moore may have been a Native American, as I have been told that "someone" in my paternal grandmother's family was 100% Sioux, but no one seemed to know exactly WHO. I'm not even confident they got the tribe right. I would be grateful for any information or hints/helps you can offer! I am totally stumped with these two, and apart from actually going to Clinton county, I don't know what else I can do! Thanks in advance. Laurin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/181 Message Board Post: Both of these families came to Clinton county 1850 or before. I don't know if they are related. 1) Family of JULIUS and BARBARA NICHOLS - children thought to include, Turner, William, Fountain, Meredith, David, Nancy, Rebecca, Mary, Polly, Cathrine, Cynthia and Patsy(Martha). 2) Family of DAVID, Sr, and CELIA NICHOLS - Known children are David Nichols, Jr, and O B Nichols. Both of these Nichols families married into my WILTON family on several occasions. Any information about them would be very much appreciated. Mary Shackelton [email protected]

Hi, Everyone! I have made some recent serendipitous discoveries about my "Illinois" relatives. My DRENTEN folks started in Clinton County, IL or so I thought. It seems that the family actually came from the Lingen area in North Western Germany. They are included on the Emslander site and in Walter Tenfelde's book about immigrants from this area as DRENTE but my great-grandfather isn't listed. Plus, I had a different mother's name for him from his marriage record in St. Dominic's in Breese, Clinton County, IL. So I wasn't sure this was the correct family. While looking for someone else's ancestor, I stumbled on a Drenten as a witness to a marriage in the microfilmed records of the St. Louis Catholic church now called St. Joseph (Shrine of). It seems that this Drente family started out in Missouri in the 1840s and went to Illinois after 1865. While looking through these records I recognized many Clinton County names. I wanted to share this information and Dave Lossos has allowed my selected records, including Baptisms, Marriages and Burials to be posted on his Genealogy in St. Louis web site. Please keep a couple things in mind when you search through these records. I translated the Latin but I spelled all or most of the surnames exactly the way they appear in the records. This was a German Catholic parish and so the Latin words for John and Henry I put in as Johann and Heinrich. Some names I changed to the English and more recognizable forms such as Gesina for Chesina. I also left all the umlauts in so you can see the way the names were spelled originally. I also translated these records from copies of the microfilmed pages and some names were rather difficult to decipher. So, in other words, you must use a little imagination to find your people in some cases. Dave's site and these church records can be found at: <A HREF="http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/">http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com</A> The Emsland site, hosted by Barbara Salibi, is located at: <A HREF="http://www.emslanders.com/">www.emslanders.com</A> Both of these sites are a wealth of information and both hosts welcome new data. May you be as lucky as I. Enjoy! Gloria Dettleff

I have some old newspapers and would like to share the information from them with everyone on the Lists.If you have any questions,please contact me,I will see if I can help. I will try to post items from these newspapers on a daily basis. There are so many names,that I thought people might be interested in the articles. Take care, and hope you enjoy the information!! Darla Granite City Press Record Thursday June 14,1951: ANDERSON RITES Funeral services were held this afternoon for John L ANDERSON, 58, a former Nameokian, who died Saturday of a heart condition in El Paso,Texas, where he lived 31 years. Interment was in Upper Alton Cemetery. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CUTS ARM IN FALL Virgil SNIDER, Jr., eight years old of 2506 28th St, was treated at St Elizabeth's Hospital Wednesday night for a cut under the left arm suffered when he fell while carrying a glass. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VISITING PARENTS Mr and Mrs Robert KING and children, David, Diane and Donna Lea, returned today to their home in Jacksonville,ILL, after a visit of several days with Mrs KING'S parents, Mr and Mrs Howar KING, 1648 Fourth. DARLA L KEENER " Lewis Clan from Wales to Illinois" http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/e/Darla-Keener/index.html

We have Koerners here in NC. Kernersville is named for its very prominent citizen. I'm no kin but the records here are superb. Winston-Salem area. Forsyth Co. Dottie Austin Diane Walsh wrote: > Listmates > > A GERMAN LECTURE SERIES IS COMING - mark you calendars. > > A lecture series to be held most Sundays in February 2004 is in the planning stages by the St. Clair County Historical Society, 701 East Washington Street, Belleville, IL 62220, ph: (618) 234- 0600. Lectures to be held at Southwestern Illinois College, 2:00 p.m. > > Dates and presenters so far: > > Feb 8, 2004 Tom Jewett on Gustave Koerner and his national connections. > > Feb 15, 2004 Steven Rowan - lecture focuses on why Germans were drawn to the St. Louis metro region and their life upon arrival. > > Feb 29, 2004 Steven Rowan - The Fantasy Prairie: Southern Illinois in 1850s German-American Trash Novels > > Mar 7, 2004 T.B.A > > This series is a fund raiser for the Gustave Koerner House Preservation (Belleville). Single and package ticket prices will be decided soon. If interested in this series, email Diane Walsh at [email protected] or call the St. Clair County Historical Society. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Listmates A GERMAN LECTURE SERIES IS COMING - mark you calendars. A lecture series to be held most Sundays in February 2004 is in the planning stages by the St. Clair County Historical Society, 701 East Washington Street, Belleville, IL 62220, ph: (618) 234- 0600. Lectures to be held at Southwestern Illinois College, 2:00 p.m. Dates and presenters so far: Feb 8, 2004 Tom Jewett on Gustave Koerner and his national connections. Feb 15, 2004 Steven Rowan - lecture focuses on why Germans were drawn to the St. Louis metro region and their life upon arrival. Feb 29, 2004 Steven Rowan - The Fantasy Prairie: Southern Illinois in 1850s German-American Trash Novels Mar 7, 2004 T.B.A This series is a fund raiser for the Gustave Koerner House Preservation (Belleville). Single and package ticket prices will be decided soon. If interested in this series, email Diane Walsh at [email protected] or call the St. Clair County Historical Society.

When Dorothy and I went to Springfield, IL this week I ran across a death cert for a Mary THOLE nee REHKEMPER. She died 17 Nov 1918 of pneumonia as a result of influenza. She was born on 28 Oct 1876 making her 42y19d old. Her father was Herm (Herman?) and her mother was Adl (Adelheid?) GEERS - both born in Germany but she was born in St. Rose. Ben Thole was the informant. If anyone wants this death certificate, just email me and I'll send it to you. Gloria

Is there anyone on here who is researching the Rehkemper name? Gloria

I have used Molly Kennedy a lot. She is fast and does a great job. I would highly recommend using Molly for lookups on death certificates. Phyllis (Kues) Stroud

Dorothy, I have tried before to remove myself from the GenWeb list, by going to the Clinton County web site, and un-subscribing. I think maybe I am somehow in your system, because I keep getting e-mails from you, and then a flood of them from others. Since this is my work e-mail, I wanted to stop the flow of messages. Bernie Lindsey Regional Utilities Business Line Manager U.S. Navy Public Works Center Japan PSC 473 Box 13 FPO AP 96349-0013 TEL: Comm(Japan): 046-816-9150 Comm(Overseas): 011-81-46-816-9150 DSN: 243-9150 -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Falk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILCLINTON] Changing email addresses Hi, Lola, The easiest, automatic way is to go to our webpage and then click on the "Join our Clinton County Mailing List". It tells you how to unsubscribe your old address and then subscribe under your new address. Since you also have other exhibits online, you might ALSO send Carol Ryan-Spenader an email and ask her to please update your address on the obits, etc. She might be having computer problems so it might take a while. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lola DeGroff To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] Death certificates Hi Dorothy, how do I change my email address on the ILCLINTO-L list? Thanks, Lola DeGroff > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Yesterday Gloria and I met Molly Kennedy in Springfield, Illinois - she does genealogical research for people for a fee. Her web page, with prices, is at www.mollx.com and her email address is [email protected] . She'll fix the link to the newspapers today. Right now she charges $3 for death certificates anywhere in the state, if they are online and the date is not shown in red - those are still at the county clerk's office. Her price will increase to $3.50 in December. After our learning experience yesterday, we think that her prices are fair. Prices for other items that she'll look up for you, including obituaries anywhere in the state, if they were published, are included on her web page. This does not include marriages since those are not in Springfield but at the IRAD's, counties and Family History Centers.

Hello everyone. Does anyone know if there is a resource to find information on miners in Clinton County? My 2G grandfather, John Fie, was a miner there and I have come up empty on pretty much ALL on my attempts to search for information on him. I found his family in the 1900 census, but that was about it. Thanks in advance. Laurin

Hi, Yvonne, Just want to be sure that you know that the majority of Centralia is in Marion County. I don't see Lotti/Lottie in the unproofed Clinton County 1900 census or the 1913 Commercial Businesses or the proofed 1920 Brookside census. If you go to our Clinton County Surname Helper at http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=ILClinton and then choose the "L" and then chose the subshred, you'll find 2 references to Lotti's, but nothing that actually says they lived here very long. The 1920 census has it's own research/finder. The 1930 Clinton County Census for that portion of Wamac City that is in Clinton County shows: Hatti J. Lotti, owned home, value $800, aged 30, land lady, has boarding house, widow, Ger Ger Ger, immigrated in 1900. Borup/Berep, Roland F., Boarder, 31, carman for railroad, IL US IL Lotti, Mark Alfred, Son, 12, IL Italy, Germany Lotti, Marcella P., Dau, 9, IL Italy, Germany (Yvonne: Something to think about: Roland is listed 2nd, therefore he has more status in this household than her children. If you don't know this name and if it's important, come back to me and I'll look at my CD to see if it's any plainer.) The Illinois marriage index is at http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html You might just put in Lotti in the Groom and leave it at statewide, the two brothers are there in Marion County. Then try Lotti in the Bride. I don't see Hatti's remarriage, but the data base only goes to 1920 for Clinton and to 1900 for Marion. Both will give you all names that begin with Lotti, so just disregard the ones you don't need. The Illinois Death Index at http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html - just put in Lotti and leave it at statewide. It will give you all spellings that start with Lotti. Is that your Louis that is listed there? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: [ILCLINTON] Lottie/Lotti This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOTTIE/LOTTI, PATTERSON, CANTELL, BENNETT, CHAMPION, ANDREWS, RODECKER, WILLIAMS & others Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ig.2ADE/180 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information about 2 families: Louis Lotti/Lottie and Joe (Joseph) Lottie/Lotti. Both lived in Centralia and were miners. They were born in Italy in 1870's and were brought to USA/Ill by an uncle. They married, had families and lived in Centralia. I have family information that say Joseph Lottie had or was a partner in a Photography studio in Centralia. I would love to find out documentation for the photo studio and any additional information about these 2 brothers and families. Louis Lotti/Lottie was my grandfather. Thanks in advance. Yvonne ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237