Hi, Can anyone tell me what is written about the people below: RATERMANGeo. W.801021 RATERMANNElizabeth1952508 RATERMANNFrederick1221567 RATERMANNTantina2027 Thanks, Phyllis (Kues) Stroud

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ig.2ADE/187 Message Board Post: I was wondering what web site do I go to,to see if there is an obituary for a Casper Benhoff who died in 1909?Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks in Advance. Michele

Yet another brilliant example of the time and dedication Gloria has put into transcribing records and sharing them with the genealogical community. The database is awesome and hopefully will help reunite many lost family members. I, for one, am truly impressed. Thanks also to Dave for making the space to share these and other records :) Tracy in AK In a message dated 2/19/04 6:20:27 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Subj: [StL-Metro] Bethlehem Lutheran Cemetery-Baden, MO > Date: 2/19/04 6:20:27 AM Alaskan Standard Time > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com > > Greetings, Everyone! > This is to officially announce the online (URL above) list of people who > were > buried in the Bethlehem Cemetery located at Swtizer and Bittner in Baden, > Missouri before those graves were moved to the New Bethlehem Cemetery in > North > St. Louis County some time in the 1960s.

http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com Greetings, Everyone! This is to officially announce the online (URL above) list of people who were buried in the Bethlehem Cemetery located at Swtizer and Bittner in Baden, Missouri before those graves were moved to the New Bethlehem Cemetery in North St. Louis County some time in the 1960s. The current cemetery, open to anyone, is still owned by the Bethlehem Lutheran Church on Salisbury in St. Louis. Thank you to: Mr. Mike Odle, the Superintendent of Bethlehem Cemetery who uncovered these wonderful ledger book treasures. Pastor John Schmidtke of Bethlehem Lutheran Church who secured permission from the church to put these records online. Dave Lossos for putting the list on his website. There is no introduction on Dave's site just yet so here is a little explanation about the database: It contains over 2000 names which were garnered from 4 ledger books most of which are falling apart. The earliest death date is Jan 1857. Most of these records were written in German in the old style of writing. There were three ledger books that were identical in appearance and probably dated back to the 1870s. The 3 identical books are listed as I, II and SG for Single Grave. The fourth ledger book, called C, is from 1928 when someone copied ledger books I and II into it. There were inconsistencies between the Copied ledger and the older originals so I used the older information. Many of the entries are just names listed under the lot owner's name. The key for the Source of each entry might help you get an idea of the time frame. I could go on and on but will just end by saying that I hope to have an introduction to the database online with it soon. Happy hunting, everyone! Gloria

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Coy Spruage Huckelbury Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ig.2ADE/46.2 Message Board Post: Thanks Judy. I still have not found where John Coy is buried. All the information I could find he is burried at Centralia, Illinois. I would like to have what information you have found on him. I am sorry I cannot help you with information on your John Coy. Wish I could. Harriet

These five Hilmes entries [I marked them in bold] might be of interest to you. I found them in the Osnabrück diocesan archives [BAOS stands for Bistumarchiv Osnabrück] a couple of years ago while researching the church registers (on microfiche) of St. Benedikt [Katholisch], Lengerich: [1] Clemens August Gösse, Langen, born 22 Jan 1869; parents: Johann Benedict Gösse & Maria Theresia Albers; the record has this added note: married 24 Oct 1892 [year difficult to read] Carolina Gesina Lager gennant Hilmes, Drope, [died] 28 Feb 1935 [year dificult to read]. BAOS 04-08/104 Taufregister 1869-1882, fiche 1, 2-9. [2] Johannes Herm. Lager, b. 5 Dec 1754; [parents:] Gerardo & Maria Elisabetha Hilmes; [godparents:] Gerardo Wilhelm Hilmes & Angela Vos BAOS 04-08/101 Taufer 1737-1776, fiche 2, 177. Johan. Herm. Lager, Lengerich, 74, [died] 8 Mar 1829 BAOS 04-08/004 Sterbregister 1823-1830, Trauingen 1830, fiche 1, 31. [3] Maria Elisabetha Lager, b. 25 Jun 1757; [parents:] Gerardo & Maria Hilmes; [godparent:] Elisabetha Lager BAOS 04-08/101 Taufer 1737-1776, fiche 2, 195. Maria Elisab. Lager, Gersten, 35, [died] 21 Feb 1792, Gersten BAOS 04-08/301 Sterbregister 1787-1814, fiche 1, 9. [4] Gerardus Wilhelm Lager, b. 29 Oct 1759; [parents:] Gerardus Lager & Maria Hilmes; [godparent:] Gerardo Vos BAOS 04-08/101 Taufer 1737-1776, fiche 2, 211. Gerhard Lager, cogn. Jager, Lengerich, 78, [died] 9 Feb 1838, [buried] 14 Feb 1838 BAOS 04-08/302 Sterbregister 1831-1853, fiche 1, 79-25. [5] Anna Maria Theresia Kühle, 58; [born c. 1812, according to the following death record] [died] 10 Oct 1870, [buried] 13 Oct 1870; [parents:] Bernard Hilmes & Margaretha Lager BAOS 04-08/304 Sterbregister 1870-1888 (bis 1875), fiche 1, 12-69. Paul Grass Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] Re: HILMES, OTTENS, WALLER Bill, I'm also interested HILMES and Johan Heinrich (b. 1814) is a possible unproven brother of Maria Anna Hilmes, born circa 1808, Hanover and deceased by 1880. Maria Anna Hilmes' second marriage at St. Boniface Church, Germantown, in April 1849 to the widower Bernard Henry WALLER, is witnessed by Elisabeth Hilmes, believed to be the wife of Johan Heinrich. The other witness is Joannes Bernard Waller. I do not know the relationship between these WALLERs and Clemens Waller although Bernard Henry Waller is not believed to have had any children. In the 1850 census, as transcribed on the Clinton Co. website, the family of Henry HILMERS consists of: Hilmers Henry (30), Catharine (30), John (13), Mary (60), OLTENS, Frederick, 60. Viewing the actual census record, Frederick appears as OTTENS. The family immediately following, recorded as WALLIS is the family of Henry Waller and his wife Mary Ann, 42, nee Hilmes. In the 1860 Clinton County census p. 839, Henry HILLMAR (44) is recorded with his wife Caroline (40) and children Theodore (9), Theresa (9) and Anna (6). Maria Anna Hilmes (as Wallers) appears on the preceeding page, age given as 52. Maria Anna Hilmes' first marriage, to Bernard Lawrence EILERS, born Dorf Lengerich, Hanover in 1810, preceeded their emigration to the US, probably on the Ship Rockall in late Dec. 1846. There is additional information for Anna Theresa Hilmes (b. 1829) listed on the Emslander website (www.emslanders.com) including her marriage to Herman Bernard Richter and the names of her children. Bill, is your RENSING connection through TOENNIES? Tracy Lewis Anchorage, AK In a message dated 9/7/03 5:59:39 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Subj: [ILCLINTON] Re: Researching Rehkemper, Hilmes, Tebbe, Middeke, Hagen > Date: 9/7/03 5:59:39 AM Alaskan Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > Sent from the Internet > > Marsha, > > This may be of interest to you and other Hilmes searchers: > > FAMILY HISTORY > "Johan Heinrich Hilmes was born April 3, 1814 in the kingdom of Hanover > and settled in this country in 1838, on Section 18, Germantown Township, > Clinton County, Illinois. This was south east of the town of Hanover, > which was later renamed Germantown. He probably had few problems > adjusting to his new home because most of the people in this area were > from the same section of Germany, perhaps even knew each other in the old > country, and most spoke low german. > "The original size of his homestead is not known but in 1892 it was 89 > acres. > "Elizabeth Ottens was his first wife. She came from Prussia and settled > in Illinois two years before John Henry. She died in 1858 after bearing > at least two children; Theodore around 1851 and Anna about 1854. > "One mystery still unsolved is how Elizabeth is related to Frederick > Ottens who is listed as one of the original 'proprietors' of the town of > Hanover. > "Caroline Buettman, the second wife, was born in the kingdom of Hanover > on November 23, 1829. She came to this country in 1860 and gave birth to > Bernard Hilmes on November 12 of that same year. There was at least one > other child Christina born about 1862. Caroline died July 15, 1876. > "From all evidence, J. H. Hilmes probably had a twin brother Johan > Gerhard, who was born and died on April 3, 1814. > "J.H. Hilmes is listed as one of the early settlers in "History of Marion > and Clinton Counties, Illinois" 1881 and is described as a farmer and > stock raiser in the list of patrons for the book. > "In the census of 1870 the name was misspelled 'Hilmas'. John Henry is 55 > and lists his real estate value at $4,000 and the value of his personal > goods as $1,000. His wife's name is written 'Catharina' and listed as 41 > and a housekeeper. Theodore is age 19, Anna is age 16, Berhard (sic) is > age 9 and Christnia (sic) is age 8. There is also listed a 29 year old > laborer from Hanover named H. H. Rikindag. > "In the census of 1880 J. Henry is a retired farmer aged 66 and Bernard > Hilmes is a 19 year old laborer on the Henry Albers farm about a mile > north of the family farm. Chri. Hilmes is listed as a 17 year old > servant at the Waller's. > Note: Bernard asked Katarina Waller to be one of the baptism sponsors for > his son Bernard. Kahtarina and Klemens Waller were sponsors for > Caroline, and Klemens was a sponsor for Frank Clemns Hilmes. > "J. H. died May 27, 1896 but lived long enough to see his son Bernard > married to Catherine Toennies on March 3, 1886 when he was 25 and she was > 20 years old. > "Catherine was born January 20, 1866 to Gerhard Albert Toennies and his > wife Agnes nee Wiegmann. Gerhard was born September 7, 1827 and died May > 27, 1896. Agnes was born November 25, 1838 and died February 24, 1882. > So neither mother lived to see her child married. > "Caterine had a least one sister Mary Eilerman (2/14/1868-12/20/1920) and > three brothers Herman Toennies (10/16/1855-5/1/1929), George Toennies and > Joseph Toennies. > "Bernard and Catherine's 55 years of marriage produced 10 children before > he died on April 26, 1930. Catherine lived until December 23, 1943. > .....and that was just the beginning' > BILL AND CHRIS KEHL, 30 Appletree Lane, Belleville, Il. 62221, > (618)233-0002 > St. Bernard Cem., Albers, IL > Son: IN MEMORY OF > BERNARD HILMES > JUNE 6, 1895 > JAN. 29, 1935 > FATHER > This is another BERNARD HILMES: > I don't have a lot of information on my Hilmes relatives. I have Agnes > Thersia Hilmes born May 15 1829 in Hanover Germany. She married Herman > Bernard Richter on May 2 1854 in Clinton Co. IL. Her parents were Bernard > Albert Hilmes and Adel Uhlen. I don't have any information on children. > Let me know if anything fits. > Sandy Plancich [email protected] > My interest in the family lies in how they connect with the RENSING > family. > Bill > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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Bob, In your request for help George L. Frazier & his wife Amanda. You made the following statement. "The county records shows she was buried in Trenton, Il. however the cemetery records do not confirm. Believe he came to Il. after 1865." If you are stating that the written cemetery records do not record her burial that is one thing. If you are stating that you have check a cemetery survey that is another point. However, these surveys are usually done by checking only the tombstones. NOT all burials have tombstones. It is estimated that only about 60% of all burials in any given cemetery have tombstones. Tombstones cost big dollars and not all families can afford them. You are looking for a person who was buried in 1904. Let's assume that a tombstone would have cost $10 in 1904 this would equate to something over $130 in 2004 dollars The two largest cemeteries here in St. Louis have whole sections were tombstones were removed and destroyed several years ago. Several years back tombstones were removed from St. Peter's UCC Cemetery because of non-payment of Perpetual Care, this was the same story at Calvary, Sts. Peter & Paul and Bellefontaine. Cemetery surveys are great in many cases but they are not the final answer. Even if you find the tombstone be very skeptical when it comes to believing what is engraved on it. Ask your self a few questions: 1. What is the condition of the stone, is it old and weathered or is it new? 2. Are the dates verifiable by master records? Always use the data from records closest to the event, i.e. the birth date on the marriage certificate is closer to the birth date than the death certificate or tombstone. I have records on at least one of my ancestors that has three different birth dates, one for each of these (Records). Even printed records or frequently incorrect. There are several cases in point. A few years back the Cemetery Records for St. Boniface Cem. were printed and they were full of errors (this cemetery has been resurveyed, thank goodness), but the old survey is still out there for the unsuspecting researcher. I paid for information that the person interpreted for me, she wouldn't let me even look at the record for myself. New Baden City Cemetery also was carried on the web as being surveyed, trouble is what was there was actually 3 different cemeteries. This situation has now been corrected. But I believe the old survey is still on line. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I'm looking for DOD and burial location of George L. Frazier, born 1824 in Guilford county N.C.. Records show he was a landowner in Sugar Creek Township 1871. His wife Amanda died 1904 in Clinton County. The county records shows she was buried in Trenton, Il. however the cemetery records do not confirm. Believe he came to Il. after 1865.

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Benjamin Franklin Hull b. 1803 in Kentucky d.1881 Bond County Illinois. He married Lucinda Allen 19 Dec 1824 in Clinton County Illinois. I am looking for her parents/ siblings. Darla Wilson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: coy Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ig.2ADE/46.1 Message Board Post: Have you found the info you wre looking.I am also searching for a John Coy from Colrain, Ma. and found some info for your John.Feel free to answer this if you need more. I do not know where your John is buried. Judy

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ig.2ADE/186 Message Board Post: To All, Please excuse cross-postings. I wanted to get this out to the broadest possible audience. Our 19th century atlases are now available in multiple places online. Some folks, in particular those with AOL and who have older browsers or operating systems, have experienced navigational difficulties with the web pages below: Illinois: http://www.har-indy.com/il_map/il_index.html Indiana: http://www.har-indy.com/in_map/in_index.html Ohio: http://www.har-indy.com/oh_map/oh_index.html If you are having trouble navigating these pages, please use the link in my signature below. I hope to add several new states (MI and KY) during the first quarter of 2004. Please feel free to submit specific requests for regional maps that may be useful in your research. Thanks for looking, Rich Green Historic Atlas Series Online http://www.stores.ebay.com/historicatlasseriesbyhar?refid=store

List - the German lecture series approaches. They will also have audiotapes for purchase if you are interested in one or the other but cannot make it. Tapes payable in advance as they will only make a couple over the number ordered. More info here http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/lecture.htm Diane PRESS RELEASE German Lecture Series Contact Person: Diane Walsh (618)277-0848 [email protected] The St. Clair County Historical Society will sponsor a lecture series to benefit the Gustave Koerner House Preservation located at 200 Abend Street. Where: Theatre, Southwestern Illinois College, Main Campus, 2500 Carlyle Avenue, Belleville, Illinois at the intersection of Carlyle Avenue/Illinois 161 and Green Mount Road, which now is accessible directly from I-64. Exit College Station if riding MetroLink. Time: 2:00 p.m., followed by question and answer period. Tickets: $10.00 each at the Theatre door, or by mail with stamped, self-addressed envelope to: St. Clair County Historical Society, 701 East Washington Street, Belleville, Illinois 62220. Feb 8, 2004 Dr. Tom Jewett "Gustave Koerner: A Man Who Shaped His Time" Emphasizes Koerner's contributions of national importance. Feb 15, 2004 Dr. Steven Rowan - "St. Louis - That's Near Belleville, Isn't It? Or, Why Germans Came to the Metro St. Louis Area and Their Life Once Settled During the 1850s" Feb 29, 2004 Dr. Steven Rowan - "The Fantasy Prairie: Southern Illinois in 1850s German-American Trash Novels" Thomas Jewett, Ph.D. (St. Louis University); Assistant Professor, McKendree College; Professor Emeritus at Southern Illinois University - Edwardsville, author, "Belleville Man Challenged Lincoln" (1983), "Gustave Koerner and the Republican Party" (2003), The Belleville Germans (1986), Ethnic History of the Metro East: World of Difference (1990), and "Mr. Jefferson's Libraries" in The Early American Review (Summer-Fall, 2003). Steven Rowan, Ph.D. (Harvard University); Professor, History Department, University of Missouri at St. Louis. Current research on German Radicals in the 19th century Missouri and Illinois; translator, Wilhelm Kaufmann's The Germans in the American Civil War (Carlisle, Pa: Kallmann, 1999), and Baron Ludwig von Reizenstein, The Mysteries of New Orleans (Baltimore, 2002); author, Germans for a Free Missouri: Translations from the St. Louis Radical Press (University of Missouri Press, 1983).

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Book Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ig.2ADE/185 Message Board Post: Herman Henry Book m. Mary Angelia Hegger had at least two sons: 1 Gerhard Henry Book 2. John Book b. January 27, 1873 in Bartelso, Illinois After Herman Book died, Mary Angelia Hegger married a man named Mr. Theissing. I am looking to connect with anyone researching this line. Thanks. Karin

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Thanks for the info. I appreciate it much. If you ever run across William Fisk would you please email me. When my William died my g-grandma was only 4 and had to go to an orphanage. She didn't know much about her father. I am trying to piece it together. Thanks again, Amy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Holthaus [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILCLINTON] William Fisk Some information I found in the Carlyle papers: Nov. 30, 1893 John C. Fisk died Nov. 23, 1893 in California He was a member of "Clinton County Old Settlers" April 6, 1882 W.Truesdail Fisk has been stopping at the Truesdail house since last Saturday morning, and the most blissful big sunflower in the land has a look of sadness when compared with the happy countenance worn by grandpa Truesdail. April 15, 1886 John Fisk and his wife have named their infant son, Clinton, after the county in which he was born. July 14, 1968 Died July 4, 1868, at the residence of Dr. J.H.Seagraves, Henry Clay Fisk (Hull, Illinois news) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: [ILCLINTON] William Fisk > > > Do any of you have any info on William Fisk (or any Fisks) from the mid to > late 1800's? My g-g-grandfather was William Alexander Fisk and his dad was > probably William Fisk. Any info is appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Amy > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Netwitz. Are your virus definitions up to date?] > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237