Tricia, I was just putting in the info from Tom on the 1840, 1850, and 1860 census on Songer and I searched and searched for Giles Songer but he's not on my tree. My ancestor, Jacob Songer was born in VA in 1802. Giles was born in 1800 in VA. Also, there is a John Songer born in VA who appears to have been born in 1805 and an Abraham Songer born in VA in 1807. Do you have any ancestrial info on Giles Songer? Are these men perhaps brothers who migrated together? The Xenia Then and Now book says Abraham Songer (1773 PA - 1822) and Catherine Sawyer Songer (1773 MD - ?) had several children: Samuel, Fred, Jacob, John, Abram, James, Giles, Catherine, Rebecca E, and Elizabeth. I'm hoping that this is the same family as the brothers (??) above. The information is confirmed in the History of Clay Co. book and it claims that Abram is the only surviving sibling as of 1884. Your last message said "Giles Songer settled in Trenton township, Grundy county, in the year of 1846, and gave his attention to farming. He was a native of Indiana, and was born in Washington county, in that State, on the 25th of October, 1818, the son of Abram and Catherine Songer, both natives of Pennsylvania." which also confirms the info above. If you are interested, I can transcribe the whole page on Songers that the book lists. It indicates migration from Germany to Pennsylvania to Indiana to Illinois. Thanks, Nancy