Would any of you COLCLASURE researchers know what happened to the children of John L. COLCLASURE (son of Jacob and Mary "Polly" Trinkle Colclasure) and wife Mary SUTHERLAND? I have down that John L. died 1866 and Mary died bef. 1866. Their childrens ages at the time of John L.s death would be, Cynthia 18, Isabelle 11 and David 4. Where did these children end up? I just got word that an ISABELLA COLCLASURE who was born in Clay Co., IL married a man named JOHN F. ORRELL in Missouri. I am wondering if this ISABELLA and this ISABELLE are one in the same. Thanks so much for your help, I do appreciate it! Tricia Colcleasure Carothers

Hi Just wondered if any of you have seen the name Silas OSBORN in Clay co. Osbone could be spelled various ways. I know he was there sometime between 1840-1850, He may hve been there prior to that time. He probably died there between 1846-1851. Sons, John and Henry were born there 1844 & 1845. I've really hit a brick wall, any help would be greatly apprieciated. Thanks Evelyn

Just thought I'd share this latest find with all you SONGER researchers on this list. This is the GILES SONGER who left Clay Co., IL and ended up in Grundy Co., MO. Enjoy! Tricia Colcleasure Carothers 1860 Grundy Co., Mo Census SONGER Giles, 42 B: IN Nancy, wife, 39, KY Children: Joseph, 18, MO Mary, 16, MO Thomas B., 14, MO John R., 12, MO Albert, 10, MO Frank, 7, MO Missouri A., 5 , MO Elizabeth, 3, MO Flora (B?), 10, MO Next door is William Songer family: SONGER William, age 22, born IL Ann, wife, 23, England

A bit of info I found on the internet on the SONGER clan who ended up in Grundy Co., MO: DRUMMOND CEMETERY, Grundy Co., MO (Also known as Union Cemetery or Pennington Cemetery) SONGER: Judge Giles D: 13 Dec. 1880 Stone reads: 62y 1m 18d; "I am the ressurection and the life." This large family stone also carries a record of Nancy A. (wife of Giles). Nancy A. Born: 7/20/1820 (No death date listed but headstone reads:) CHILDERS; 87y; Wife of Giles Songer Albert C. D: 9 Feb. 1871 Stone reads: 20y 1m 22d; son of G & N A. SONGER Flora D: 27 Sept. 1866 Stone reads:7y 2m 1d; Child of G & N.A. SONGER Earnest D: 23 Mar 1884 Stone reads: 6m Richard H.L. D: 25 Mar 1852 Stone reads: 6m 6d; Child of G & N.A. SONGER; three small stones nearby marked~Albert, Flora, Richard

At 06:07 PM 2/23/99 , Brian & Tricia Carothers wrote: >Hi, > >There is a GILES SONGER born abt. 1818, son of Abram and Catherine SAWYERS >SONGER. I've checked my marriage resources but don't seem to be able to >find a marriage for this GILES SONGER. Do any of you other researchers out >there have any information his marriage? If he is the same GILES SONGER >that I found eventually living in Missouri, his wife's name would have been >NANCY. I'll of course check Missouri as well. Any info helpful and a big >*thank you* to those of you who have emailed me! > >Tricia Colcleasure Carothers >bcaroth@jps.net I found the following marriage that would seem to be the correct one SONGER, Giles m. CHILDERS, Nancy on Jan 2, 1837 in Clay Co, IL. Recorded in Volume 1, Page 46. Hope it's the right one. Ted Researching BREMER, CASH, CORNELIUS, HARTWIG, JENNINGS, MANNING, MORTENSEN, PIEPHO, SEEGERS ICQ#: 6722931 Personal Website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cash/ USGenWeb Coordinator for Bond Co, IL - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilbond - mailing list: mailto:ILBOND-L@rootsweb.com Clay Co, IL - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclay - mailing list: mailto:ILCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Will Co, IL - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilwill - mailing list: mailto:ILWILL-L@rootsweb.com

Hi, There is a GILES SONGER born abt. 1818, son of Abram and Catherine SAWYERS SONGER. I've checked my marriage resources but don't seem to be able to find a marriage for this GILES SONGER. Do any of you other researchers out there have any information his marriage? If he is the same GILES SONGER that I found eventually living in Missouri, his wife's name would have been NANCY. I'll of course check Missouri as well. Any info helpful and a big *thank you* to those of you who have emailed me! Tricia Colcleasure Carothers bcaroth@jps.net

Looking for information re parents and children of Isabelle FISHER b. August 7, 1874; d. July 11, 1964; m. Feb 17, 1892 Samuel BRYANT, believed to be four children of this marriage. A daughter, Mabel is believed to have married APPLEGATE. Isabelle is believed to have married second SCHOWEYMEYER. Probable place of birth Isabelle is Ingraham, Illinois; second likely POB Xenia, Illinois; third likely POB Odin, Illinois. Thank you, Sid Fisher

Tricia, Found one more thing... Giles Songer is listed on the 1840 Illinois Census Index for Clay Co. Nancy Hashimoto

Tricia, I looked through my stuff and I came across an article in Xenia Then and Now which addresses part of your search for Giles Songer. Here's the text: "...Samuel Songer (1801-1874) and his wife Elizabeth Whitman (who died in 1881). Both were buried in the Songer Cemetery and Songer township was named for Samuel. The previously printed volume of Clay County History deals well with this family and we shall conclude now with some quotations from the unpublished family record. 'We lived on the Sam Payne place from 1828 until 1829. (Note* this was about 2 miles West of Xenia on the old trail) We moved to our new home in March of 1829. (Note* This is N.W. corner of Sec. 33, Songer Twp. present site of Nelson Moore Residence) We carried coals between two boards so we could start a fire... this home was made of split logs, 18 feet square with not a nail in it...it had one door and no windows. (Note* this was Samuel Songer's children giving this account. It is not know where the other children went. Abram did live south of Cato. The mother, Catherine, died in 1845 and is buried in Campground Cemetery)...Giles and his sisters went on to Trenton, Missouri. Many of their people are still living in Missouri...Abram was a Soldier in the Black Hawk Indian war..." Hope this helps a little. Like you I am baffled by Noah Colclasure. I found no reference to him anywhere in all my Colclasure stuff. Let me know if you find the connection. Nancy Hashimoto nhashimo@wppost.depaul.edu

Jean- What years are covered in Vol IV of the Wills & Probate Book? I am looking for Ingram/Ingraham's and may be interested. Thanks! Ronna

Is there anyone out there that can help me get a death certificate from about 1917 from Clay Co. IL? Thank you, Carol Logan

Forgot to add that this was in Louisville Township. Also, in the Clay Co., IL 1870 Census I found this family: #92 BNUEBERRY, A____, age 51, Female, born IN MANNING, Jas H, 22, Plasterer, born IL UMSTEAD, Richard, 23, Works in Saw Mill, born TN UMSTEAD, Phillip, 18, Apprentice to Bloc S, born TN Looks like your line. Good luck! Tricia Colcleasure Carothers

Also, in the Clay Co., IL 1870 Census I found this family: #92 BNUEBERRY, A____, age 51, Female, born IN MANNING, Jas H, 22, Plasterer, born IL UMSTEAD, Richard, 23, Works in Saw Mill, born TN UMSTEAD, Phillip, 18, Apprentice to Bloc S, born TN Looks like your line. Good luck! Tricia Colcleasure Carothers

Donna I show: Philip UMSTEAD married Margeret REAM on Sept. 14, 1873 in Clay Co., IL Hope this helps! Tricia Colcleasure Carothers bcaroth@jps.net At 08:52 AM 2/22/99 EST, Kayoo@aol.com wrote: >Hi List, > >In Indiana when a person applied for a marriage license, they had to give >their mother's maiden name (I know as far back as at least 1880). Did they >have to do they same in IL? If so, does someone have access to a listing for >Lawrence Co., IL. >And if they do, would they please do a look up for me? I have a Richard UMSTED >& Emily C. Potts 1 Aug 1870. I would like to have Richard's mother's maiden >name. If that doesn't work we could try Phillip UMSTEAD to Margaret? maybe >1869 to 1875, in either Lawrence, Jasper, or Clay Co., IL, and still needing >Phillip's mother's maiden name. Thank you so much, Donna > > >

Hello all Clay Co. IL researchers: Vol IV is at the printer's now. Here's a little sneak preview at some of the names of the deceased listed in this book. INGRAHAM 11 JACKSON 7 JENKINS 9 JOHNSON/STON 14 JONES 32 KENLEY 8 KINNAMAN/MON 16 KRUTSINGER 17 LANDRETH 10 LEWIS 37 (THE LARGEST # OF DEC'D) MCCAULEY/CAWLEY 8 MCCOLLUM 12 MCKNELLY 11 MCKNIGHT 11 Of course there are many others since there are 578 dec'd surnames in Vol IV. Orders for this Volume IV received before March 15, 1999 will only pay $22.50, the $2.50 postage will be waived for that time only. We are working on Vol V, M/N/O/P/Q UP A TREE Jean Bailey(part of the duo working on these books) PS An index only is available for $5.00 postage paid, or if two or more are ordered they are only $4.00 each postage paid. Don't misunderstand, the book, Vol IV has an index in it, this preview index is for you to see if you want to spend $22.50 on the book or not. We still have indices to Vol I A/B, Vol II C/D/E, Vol III F/G/H.

Hi List, In Indiana when a person applied for a marriage license, they had to give their mother's maiden name (I know as far back as at least 1880). Did they have to do they same in IL? If so, does someone have access to a listing for Lawrence Co., IL. And if they do, would they please do a look up for me? I have a Richard UMSTED & Emily C. Potts 1 Aug 1870. I would like to have Richard's mother's maiden name. If that doesn't work we could try Phillip UMSTEAD to Margaret? maybe 1869 to 1875, in either Lawrence, Jasper, or Clay Co., IL, and still needing Phillip's mother's maiden name. Thank you so much, Donna

This is for all you SONGER researchers out there. In a nutshell, I see that a GILES SONGER was found in the 1840 census. He was between the ages of 30-40. Then in the 1850 Census I see a JILES M. SONGER, age 26. First off, does anyone know if this JILES M. is the son of GILES SONGER? My next question is that in the 1850 Grundy Co., MO Census, I see a GILES SONGER, age 31, wife's name is Nancy age 30. Would any of you SONGER researchers happen to know if this GILES in MO., relates to any of the one's from Clay Co., IL?? The reason I ask this is that living right next door to this SONGER family in the Grundy Co., MO Census is a NOAH COLCLASURE family. I have had a heck of a time trying to figure out who this Noah belongs to. Now I am wondering if perhaps GILES SONGER and NOAH COLCLASURE might have come out to MO. together from Clay Co., IL. Any ideas, thoughts, or hard facts much appreciated. I can use all the help I can get. If you think I should add more info (like childrens names) let me know and I'll post them to the list. Thanks so much and I'll keep my fingers crossed.... Tricia Colcleasure Carothers bcaroth@jps.net

I was just at the Allen County Library in Ft. Wayne IN. They had books on the Clay Co. IL Marriages. I would like to say to whom ever is responsible, GREAT JOB! These books contained wonderful information and were done in such an orginized manner. A genealogists dream! Thank you!!! Carol Logan

I have been researching my family, and thought maybe since I can't come up with any leads, that I would put them out for you and see if anyone has any idea or knows anyone who is related. My great-great grandfather was Joesph SALESMAN who died in 1899 in Illinois. I know that he was born in Ky. His brother Jacob Allen SALESMAN was born in Green Co. Kentucky in or around 1840. He married a girl named Mary Ann RICTOR who was born in Bullet Co. Ky. arun 1844. They had several children. Some born in Ky and some in Ill. They had a Sarah C. who married a Joseph HANDLEY. ADughter name Elizabeth Etta SALESMAN. A Mary E. SALESMAN who married a WELLS and lived at Cisne Illinois in 1942. They had a daughter Norah Myrtle WELLS b. Dec 4, 1898 in Zif Twp. Clay Co. ILL. Joesph SALESMAN was married two times. Believed to have brought a Martha CAMP from Ky and married her in Ill on 9-17-1871 and they had one child Phillip SALESMAN. In the Census later it shows that Phillip is with his father at age 7 and he is remarried to a Mry O. JENNNER daughter of George and Mary JENNER. She was born in Kentucky also. They married on 12-11-1877 and her name at that time was Mary McGATH. She was married to a George ENSOR, John McGATH and then to my great-great grandfather Joesph SALESMAN. She had five daughters Katie McGATH who married George GARRETT, Parmelia McGATH who married a WM P. BEAN, Miranda ENSOR, Cora ENSOR who married a A.J. Dant, Mary A. ENSOR. Three sons, my Ggrandfather Wm James SALESMAN, his brother Albert SALESMAN, and a brother Donald who died at infancy in 1882. Jacob and Mary SALESMAN had a son name Edgar Earl SALESMAN, Elsah E. SALESMAN, Aaron SALESMAN. Jacob and Joesph also had a brother named Phillip SALESMAN who was born in Ky alos. He was 23 in 1880 census in Illinois. Any information on who or where in Kentucky they may have come from or any info at all would be greatly appreciated. This family didn't leave behind much info. Very secretive? Contact me at guido@viaduct.custom.net if you know anything to help me. Darla in Indiana

>> >> >>I have been researching my family, and thought maybe since I can't come up >>with any leads, that I would put them out for you and see if anyone has any >>idea or knows anyone who is related. >>My great-great grandfather was Joesph SALESMAN who died in 1899 in >Illinois. >>I know that he was born in Ky. His brother Jacob Allen SALESMAN was born >in >>Green Co. Kentucky in or around 1840. He married a girl named Mary Ann >>RICTOR who was born in Bullet Co. Ky. arun 1844. They had several >>children. Some born in Ky and some in Ill. They had a Sarah C. who >>married a Joseph HANDLEY. ADughter name Elizabeth Etta SALESMAN. A Mary E. >>SALESMAN who married a WELLS and lived at Cisne Illinois in 1942. They had >a >>daughter Norah Myrtle WELLS b. Dec 4, 1898 in Zif Twp. Clay Co. ILL. >>Joesph SALESMAN was married two times. Believed to have brought a Martha >>CAMP from Ky and married her in Ill on 9-17-1871 >>and they had one child Phillip SALESMAN. In the Census later it shows that >>Phillip is with his father at age 7 and he is remarried to a Mry O. JENNNER >>daughter of George and Mary JENNER. She was born in Kentucky also. They >>married on 12-11-1877 and her name at that time was Mary McGATH. She was >>married to a George ENSOR, John McGATH and then to my great-great >>grandfather Joesph SALESMAN. She had five daughters Katie McGATH who >>married George GARRETT, Parmelia McGATH who married a WM P. BEAN, Miranda >>ENSOR, Cora ENSOR who married a A.J. Dant, Mary A. ENSOR. Three sons, my >>Ggrandfather >>Wm James SALESMAN, his brother Albert SALESMAN, and a brother Donald who >>died at infancy in 1882. >>Jacob and Mary SALESMAN had a son name Edgar Earl SALESMAN, Elsah E. >>SALESMAN, Aaron SALESMAN. Jacob and Joesph also had a brother named >>Phillip SALESMAN who was born in Ky alos. He was 23 in 1880 census in >>Illinois. >>Any information on who or where in Kentucky they may have come from or any >>info at all would be greatly appreciated. This family >>didn't leave behind much info. Very secretive? Contact me at >>guido@viaduct.custom.net if you know anything to help me. >>Darla in Indiana >> >