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    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. connilee@pulse.net writes: > The Urbana Archives in the Urbana Free Library, Champaign has Vital records > going back to before the Civil War. Give them a call and them you can mail Results for death certificates are very spotty before 1900 (approx). These records do start up around 1878 in response to a law (not sure whether local or state) but even many prominent city people are not recorded. The county kept a sort of log book (similar to the birth records and court journals of the period in format). Often, even if registered, part of the information is missing! I forget exactly when the certificates started appearing, but it's closer to 1900. Since you know the date of death searching the Champaign Co Gazette around that time would probably be helpful (even if you do find a death registry entry ... might be an obit). These are widely available; the state newspaper archive library has them, LDS FHL has them, and the Urbana library does as well.

    12/10/2001 01:30:06
  1. 12/09/2001 07:13:15
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Connie Beggs
    3. The Urbana Archives in the Urbana Free Library, Champaign has Vital records going back to before the Civil War. Give them a call and them you can mail your request for a death cert. unusually less than a dollar fee. http://www.Q-MAIL.COM $4.95/mo Internet Access Broad Band Wireless Access http://www.goesfast.com ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.pulse.net We do it all ! Web Hosting - Broad Band Wireless - Online Communities P.O. Box 836603 Richardson, Texas 75083 (972) 470-0411 / (903) 454-1133 / (817) 315-0005 ------------------------------------------------------

    12/09/2001 05:13:53
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] Iungerich
    2. Marilyn
    3. I'm looking for information on the August Iungerich family and any cousins that may be connected. Another cousin has set up a web page of old pictures that came from the William Iungerich's (oldest son of August) decedents that have no names on them. http://www.angelfire.com/co3/radiklysaved/Mysteryfamily1.html Any help identifying these people would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Iungerich Matthews

    12/09/2001 02:37:01
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Susan Muglich
    3. Dan, I forwarded your msg to a friend of mine married to a Koopman in Cincinnati, OH. I also wondered if you had any connection to this line of Daughertys: Descendants of Alexander C. Daugherty 1 Daugherty, Alexander C. b: 7/29/1855 in Hardin Co., KY d: 12/24/1922 in Arthur, Douglas Co., IL Burial: 1922 in Odd Fellows Cemetery, Humboldt, Coles Co., IL ... +Thomas, Sarah E. b: Abt. 1863 d: 1930 in Arthur, Douglas Co., IL Burial: 1930 in Odd Fellows Cemetery, Humboldt, Coles Co., IL Father: Husband Thomas .... 2 Daugherty, Maud Lulu b: 7/17/1886 d: 4/21/1906 in Champaign, Champaign Co., IL Burial: 1906 in Odd Fellows Cemetery, Humboldt, IL ......... +Bolton, Alva Odis b: 2/23/1877 in Bowling Green, Clay Co., IN m: Abt. 1900 in Charleston, Coles Co., IL d: 5/31/1954 in Champaign, Champaign Co., IL Burial: 1954 in Odd Fellows Cemetery, Humboldt, IL Father: James Bolton Mother: Elizabeth Jane Marriott .......... 3 Bolton, Millard Paul b: 2/23/1901 in Arcola, Douglas Co., IL d: 11/25/1975 in Champaign, Champaign Co., IL Burial: 1975 in Woodlawn Cemetery, Urbana, IL ............... +Matzka, Grace Lily b: 8/16/1899 in Tolono, Champaign Co., IL m: 8/28/1917 in Tolono, Champaign Co., IL d: 12/05/1982 in Champaign, Champaign Co., IL Burial: 1982 in Woodlawn Cemetery, Urbana, IL Father: John Amiel Matzka, Sr. Mother: Arminta McKelvey .... 2 Daugherty, Ruby b: 7/16/1905 in West Salem, IL d: 4/20/1973 in Arthur, IL ......... +Thomas, Harve m: 8/12/1934 in Murdock, IL d: 1969 Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Conner" <dantendo_64@msn.com> To: <ILCHAMPA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN > Greetings! > > I am new to this list and was wondering how far back do the Illinois > vital records go? > > I am seeking a death record for a Heinrich Wilhelm KOOPMANN/KOOPMAN/KOPMAN/KOPMANN. > According to the information I have he died in Champaign Co 19 May 1889 at the age of > 71. > Heinrich was Lutheran minister. He went from Peoria to Golden to Champaign Co near > Gifford(?). He quit preaching and went into farming. > > If nothing else, perhaps someone could recommend a newspaper that might possibly > (hopefully) have a death notice/obit. > > > Thank You! > Dan Conner > > Researching: BRIGGS, BURNS, CONNER, CONNOR, COOPMAN, DAVIS, DAUGHERTY, DOCHERTY, DOTHERTY, DOUGHERTY, DOUGHTY, FIELD, GARCELON, GRAHAM, KAMM, KOOPMAN, MARSHALL, METTLER, RUNYON, STROM, YOUNG, WYCKOFFGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com >

    12/09/2001 09:11:18
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Celia Snyder
    3. According to the listing of Champaign County records held by the IRAD, they don't have any birth records. However, you can access birth records by contacting the Champaign County Clerk; see web site: http://www.advancenet.net/~coclerk/ From there click on 'Vital Records' and you can see what they have available. A newer feature is the option to order on-line. The Illinois Regional Archives Depository (IRAD) web site is located at: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/iradholdings.html From that page you can search the "Local Governmental Records Holdings Database." An IRAD Region map is located at: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/iradregn.html where you can see which counties are included in each of the 6 depository areas. Illinois State University includes all of east-central Illinois - Champaign, Piatt, Coles, Dougles, Ford, Vermilion, Livingston, McLean, etc. IRAD really is a great resource - take advantage of it! I have my request letters ready ahead of time so that as soon as I have received a response, I can send out the next request (they limit a request to two names). I recently requested some information for Livingston County - probate records. My response yielded two files totalling 198 pages which they photocopied and mailed in two packages. The cost - a little more than $20 for photocopies. When you send your letter be sure to include a sentence that authorizes them to bill you for photocopies exceeding $5.00. Otherwise, they will respond with the number of pages and wait for your answer before going ahead. I've found it just saves time to automatically include a sentence "You have my authorization to bill me for photocopies exceeding $5.00." Hope this helps! Celia > What about birth records? >Thank You! >Dan Conner > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Celia Snyder >Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:15 PM >To: ILCHAMPA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN > >Death Records go back to 1878. You would need to contact the >Illinois Regional Archives Depository, Williams Hall, Illinois State >University, Campus Box 5500, Normal, IL 61790-5500 > >I've found they have a very quick turnaround. I recently requested a >marriage record and had a copy of the marriage license in about a >week. > >You'll need to provide any information you know just as you have >here. They only charge for photocopies. The first five are $1.00 >and $.10 each after that. You don't have to pay until they respond >to your query and send you your copies (if available). They'll let >you know the charges. > >Celia >PS: they don't do email. > >>Greetings! >> >>I am new to this list and was wondering how far back do the Illinois >>vital records go? >> >>I am seeking a death record for a Heinrich Wilhelm >>KOOPMANN/KOOPMAN/KOPMAN/KOPMANN. >>According to the information I have he died in Champaign Co 19 May >>1889 at the age of >>71. >>Heinrich was Lutheran minister. He went from Peoria to Golden to >>Champaign Co near >>Gifford(?). He quit preaching and went into farming. >> >>If nothing else, perhaps someone could recommend a newspaper that >>might possibly >>(hopefully) have a death notice/obit. >> >> >>Thank You! >>Dan Conner >> >>Researching: BRIGGS, BURNS, CONNER, CONNOR, COOPMAN, DAVIS, >>DAUGHERTY, DOCHERTY, DOTHERTY, DOUGHERTY, DOUGHTY, FIELD, GARCELON, >>GRAHAM, KAMM, KOOPMAN, MARSHALL, METTLER, RUNYON, STROM, YOUNG, >>WYCKOFFGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >>http://explorer.msn.com > > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

    12/09/2001 02:59:33
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Dan Conner
    3. Thank You! ----- Original Message ----- From: Celia Snyder Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:15 PM To: ILCHAMPA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN Death Records go back to 1878. You would need to contact the Illinois Regional Archives Depository, Williams Hall, Illinois State University, Campus Box 5500, Normal, IL 61790-5500 I've found they have a very quick turnaround. I recently requested a marriage record and had a copy of the marriage license in about a week. You'll need to provide any information you know just as you have here. They only charge for photocopies. The first five are $1.00 and $.10 each after that. You don't have to pay until they respond to your query and send you your copies (if available). They'll let you know the charges. Celia PS: they don't do email. >Greetings! > >I am new to this list and was wondering how far back do the Illinois >vital records go? > >I am seeking a death record for a Heinrich Wilhelm >KOOPMANN/KOOPMAN/KOPMAN/KOPMANN. >According to the information I have he died in Champaign Co 19 May >1889 at the age of >71. >Heinrich was Lutheran minister. He went from Peoria to Golden to >Champaign Co near >Gifford(?). He quit preaching and went into farming. > >If nothing else, perhaps someone could recommend a newspaper that >might possibly >(hopefully) have a death notice/obit. > > >Thank You! >Dan Conner > >Researching: BRIGGS, BURNS, CONNER, CONNOR, COOPMAN, DAVIS, >DAUGHERTY, DOCHERTY, DOTHERTY, DOUGHERTY, DOUGHTY, FIELD, GARCELON, >GRAHAM, KAMM, KOOPMAN, MARSHALL, METTLER, RUNYON, STROM, YOUNG, >WYCKOFFGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

    12/09/2001 01:57:05
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Chris
    3. Can you tell me what counties this regional depository covers? Thank you! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Snyder" <cgsnyder@uiuc.edu> To: <ILCHAMPA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN > Death Records go back to 1878. You would need to contact the > Illinois Regional Archives Depository, Williams Hall, Illinois State > University, Campus Box 5500, Normal, IL 61790-5500 > > I've found they have a very quick turnaround. I recently requested a > marriage record and had a copy of the marriage license in about a > week. > > You'll need to provide any information you know just as you have > here. They only charge for photocopies. The first five are $1.00 > and $.10 each after that. You don't have to pay until they respond > to your query and send you your copies (if available). They'll let > you know the charges. > > Celia > PS: they don't do email. > > >Greetings! > > > >I am new to this list and was wondering how far back do the Illinois > >vital records go? > > > >I am seeking a death record for a Heinrich Wilhelm > >KOOPMANN/KOOPMAN/KOPMAN/KOPMANN. > >According to the information I have he died in Champaign Co 19 May > >1889 at the age of > >71. > >Heinrich was Lutheran minister. He went from Peoria to Golden to > >Champaign Co near > >Gifford(?). He quit preaching and went into farming. > > > >If nothing else, perhaps someone could recommend a newspaper that > >might possibly > >(hopefully) have a death notice/obit. > > > > > >Thank You! > >Dan Conner > > > >Researching: BRIGGS, BURNS, CONNER, CONNOR, COOPMAN, DAVIS, > >DAUGHERTY, DOCHERTY, DOTHERTY, DOUGHERTY, DOUGHTY, FIELD, GARCELON, > >GRAHAM, KAMM, KOOPMAN, MARSHALL, METTLER, RUNYON, STROM, YOUNG, > >WYCKOFFGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > >

    12/09/2001 01:00:52
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Celia Snyder
    3. Death Records go back to 1878. You would need to contact the Illinois Regional Archives Depository, Williams Hall, Illinois State University, Campus Box 5500, Normal, IL 61790-5500 I've found they have a very quick turnaround. I recently requested a marriage record and had a copy of the marriage license in about a week. You'll need to provide any information you know just as you have here. They only charge for photocopies. The first five are $1.00 and $.10 each after that. You don't have to pay until they respond to your query and send you your copies (if available). They'll let you know the charges. Celia PS: they don't do email. >Greetings! > >I am new to this list and was wondering how far back do the Illinois >vital records go? > >I am seeking a death record for a Heinrich Wilhelm >KOOPMANN/KOOPMAN/KOPMAN/KOPMANN. >According to the information I have he died in Champaign Co 19 May >1889 at the age of >71. >Heinrich was Lutheran minister. He went from Peoria to Golden to >Champaign Co near >Gifford(?). He quit preaching and went into farming. > >If nothing else, perhaps someone could recommend a newspaper that >might possibly >(hopefully) have a death notice/obit. > > >Thank You! >Dan Conner > >Researching: BRIGGS, BURNS, CONNER, CONNOR, COOPMAN, DAVIS, >DAUGHERTY, DOCHERTY, DOTHERTY, DOUGHERTY, DOUGHTY, FIELD, GARCELON, >GRAHAM, KAMM, KOOPMAN, MARSHALL, METTLER, RUNYON, STROM, YOUNG, >WYCKOFFGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com

    12/08/2001 04:06:31
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] KOOPMANN/KOPMAN
    2. Dan Conner
    3. Greetings! I am new to this list and was wondering how far back do the Illinois vital records go? I am seeking a death record for a Heinrich Wilhelm KOOPMANN/KOOPMAN/KOPMAN/KOPMANN. According to the information I have he died in Champaign Co 19 May 1889 at the age of 71. Heinrich was Lutheran minister. He went from Peoria to Golden to Champaign Co near Gifford(?). He quit preaching and went into farming. If nothing else, perhaps someone could recommend a newspaper that might possibly (hopefully) have a death notice/obit. Thank You! Dan Conner Researching: BRIGGS, BURNS, CONNER, CONNOR, COOPMAN, DAVIS, DAUGHERTY, DOCHERTY, DOTHERTY, DOUGHERTY, DOUGHTY, FIELD, GARCELON, GRAHAM, KAMM, KOOPMAN, MARSHALL, METTLER, RUNYON, STROM, YOUNG, WYCKOFFGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

    12/08/2001 03:21:28
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] web site change
    2. Celia Snyder
    3. Just a minor clarification - this is not the Champaign County USGenWeb website that has changed. It's the Champaign County Genealogical Society. All the best, Celia >The web site for Champaign County has changed to >www.rootsweb.com/~ilccgs > >If you find any broken links, please let me know. > >Illinois State Genealogical Society has also changed to >www.rootsweb.com/~ilsgs > > > >---------------- >Joan Lund >j-lund@uiuc.edu

    11/19/2001 11:52:55
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] web site change
    2. Joan Coleman
    3. Thank you so much...Joann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Lund" <j-lund@uiuc.edu> To: <ILCHAMPA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:38 AM Subject: [ILCHAMPA-L] web site change > The web site for Champaign County has changed to > www.rootsweb.com/~ilccgs > > If you find any broken links, please let me know. > > Illinois State Genealogical Society has also changed to > www.rootsweb.com/~ilsgs > > > > ---------------- > Joan Lund > j-lund@uiuc.edu > >

    11/19/2001 04:12:22
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] web site change
    2. Joan Lund
    3. The web site for Champaign County has changed to www.rootsweb.com/~ilccgs If you find any broken links, please let me know. Illinois State Genealogical Society has also changed to www.rootsweb.com/~ilsgs ---------------- Joan Lund j-lund@uiuc.edu

    11/19/2001 01:38:23
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] Immanuel/Broadlands
    2. Does anyone know if the Immanuel Lutheran church in Broadlands has ever had it's church records microfilmed or otherwise copied. I would be interested in purchasing a copy for my genealogy research of the Rothermel, Wienke and Ziemer families. David Reinhardt researching Glawe, Bischoff, Vasilev, Walters, Heil, Riley, Darkow, Voth, Greive, Usner, Fiocca, Huesemann, Bennhoff, Wischmeier, Gerlach, Fortlage, Staas, Stoll, Barlag, Keske, Rockett, Zehnder, Lussky, Schumacher, Brugge, Brueggemann, Scheips, Deloney, Zirkelbach, Wienke, Rothermel, Ziemer and Reinhardt

    11/01/2001 01:10:48
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] Summer 2001 Volume 23:1 - Obituaries from the Champaign Daily News-1915
    2. Pat Curtis
    3. On page 9 of this issue my grandfather's younger brother was listed: Maley, Philip, born 18 Feb 1889, died 3 Sep 1915, see 4 Sep 1915, p. 1 How do I get a copy of the obituary from the Champaign Daily News - 1915 and any other information in regards to his death? He was my great Uncle and my father, Philip Edward MALEY was name after him. It is my understanding that he was shot and killed by his Uncle John GORMAN. He was the s/o Edward MALEY,Jr. and Rose Ann "Annie" GORMAN MALEY RATHBONE. Thank you for helping me to obtain this information. Sincerely, Patricia MALEY-CURTIS anglers@bullshoals.net

    09/26/2001 12:48:46
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] Fw: Peters, and Oberderfer
    2. Pat Curtis
    3. Noticed that a sister was from Champaign,IL and thought someone might be researching this family. Pat C ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCHcrochet@aol.com> To: <OH-FOOTSTEPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Peters, and Oberderfer > June 4, 1907, a Circleville Ohio paper with no header (Pickaway County) > Death of James Peters. > James Peters, died at his home in Rushville, Fairfield county, Tuesday > morning aged 73 years. He is survived by a widow whose maiden name was > Loretta Hooker and who was the widow of Captain Somers when she married Mr. > Peters. Deceased has one brother living, Rev. John Peters, of Cincinnati; > and three sisters: Mrs. Thomas Strode, of Lancaster; Mrs. James Davidson of > Champaign, Illinois, and Mrs. Henry Ewalt of Manhattan, Kansas. > > The funeral will be held Friday afternoon from his late home. > ---------------------- > June 2, 1907, a Circleville/Pickaway County Ohio, paper no header > Arvid Oberderfer, an employee of the Tracy-Wells company in Columbus, died > Sunday morning at 9 o'clock at the home of his father, John Oberdrfer, near > Stoutsville, of tuberculosis. He was 30 years old. The funeral was held > this morning at 9 o'clock from the Lutheran church in Stoutsville. Rev. J. > M. Wenrich officiated. Mr. Oberderfer was married on eight months ago to a > daughter of Samuel ruff of Lancaster. > > Hope this helps > Sandy > > > <A HREF="http://schgenealogy.tripod.com/searchingfamilystorieswithsandy/">Searc hing Family Stories with Sandy</A> > > > > ==== OH-FOOTSTEPS Mailing List ==== > Listowners Email is msz_oh@yahoo.com or MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com > To search this list go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter OH-FOOTSTEPS for the list name. > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

    09/22/2001 10:30:42
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] Looking for family from Champaign Illinois.
    2. Robert Miles
    3. I am looking for information on the family of Mrs. Paul (Betty) Schedenhelm, who lived at 1632 W. Church St. Champaign IL. in 1971. Betty was born the daughter of Carl Overman and Frenchie Doty Overman and had a twin brother William (Bill) Overman. Carolyn Oldham Miles rmiles@bloomingdaletel.com

    09/09/2001 03:11:07
    1. [ILCHAMPA-L] Re: Village of Philo
    2. I have the Philo centennial piece at work and will check out what it says. Which ancestors in Philo owned the buildings in the village? My ancestors - Trost/Trust, Doss, Anders, Krumm, Lange, Wollenzien, Quirk, Quinn - were all residents at one time or another. Thx. Diane Mahoney

    09/08/2001 04:32:25
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] Village of Philo
    2. Celia Snyder
    3. >When was the village of Philo established >(or recognized)? Some 1869-70 newspapers I >read recently seemed to imply that the village >was quite new then -- was it established after the >Civil War? > >An ancestor of mine owned a lot in Philo village >(which was traded around during his lifetime >between him and his children). I can't figure >out he came to own it in the first place, tho. >Is there any information on the earliest laying >out of Philo and the disposition of the town lots? Hi, According to the "History of Champaign County," 1905, by J. O. Cunningham: "PHILO. This town is constituted from the entire area of Township 18, Range 9, and owes its name to Philo Hale, who entered the first land within the bounds of the township. As early as 1837 Mr. Hale saw and appreciated the natural beauties of the land led, perhaps, with a view to being on or near to the line of the proposed railroad... "The first person to make a home and erect a dwelling within the town of Philo was Giles F. McGee, who in 1853, having before then entered the northeast quarter of Section 1, built thereon his home and lived there until the time of his death, which occurred about a year since. Another early settler whose coming very nearly corresponds in time with that of Mr. McGee, was William M. Hooper, who erected a very small residence upon the northwest quarter of Section 3, and lived there a year or two, when he removed to Urbana, and finally to the State of Minnesota. "Not until about 1856 did the town of Philo receive additions to its population, and, from that time on until every quarter-section was taken up and under cultivation, its settlement was rapid and always from the best quality of people. About 1856 there came a number of settlers from New England, who purchased lands in Sections 9 and 10 and other contiguous sections, and thereon erected their homes. The name of "Yankee Ridge" was given to this neighborhood on account of the section of country from which its inhabitants came. Among those who formed that colony may be named David and Lucius Eaton, with their families; George and E. W. Parker, Asa Godding, Dennis Chapin and J. P. Whitmore. Others from the same section of country came from time to time, thus giving to this neighborhood a distinctive character which it has always maintained. " Hon. C. R. Griggs, who came in 1860 and remained here for some years, and whose name figures very conspicuously in other chapters of this history, was one of this company and invested to a considerable extent in the lands of the town. Later there came the Meharrys (William and Jesse), who settled upon lands entered by their father some years before. David Silver and his sons, Wallace and John L., were also large land-owners in the town. Wallace became a citizen here, remaining so for many years until he removed to Urbana to spend the evening of his life. "Among other large land-owners in the town may be named James Johnson, Frederick Pell, H. A. Miller, H. J. Nash, J. C. Reed, D. Crawford, Charles F. Cole, John Cole, John N. Burr, Frank E. Burr, Samuel Van Brunt, E. H. Dick and Samuel Grove. ... "The village of Philo was established as a station on the then Great Western (now Wabash Railway), about 1858, and until which time there was no stopping place for trains on that road between Tolono and Sidney..."

    09/07/2001 03:08:24
    1. Re: [ILCHAMPA-L] Village of Philo
    2. Connie Beggs
    3. The Urbana Archives would have all that info. The are in the Urbana Free Library. They will do some lookups on the phone but prefer to have a letter. Phone calls are cheap so call them first. 217-367-4025

    09/07/2001 01:28:32