This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Culp, Wagner, Tourney, Allens, Dennis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3881.1.1 Message Board Post: visited the Culp/Tourney graves last summer in Missouri. After, Maria married Franklin and he died she married Peter Moulin. Aunt Esther Culp died in Liberty Adams County 1858. Her son, named after her brother Francis Marion Culp was adopted by my great, great grandfather Daniel Culp. He became Francis Milton Culp, Jr. His brother Jefferson kept his Tourney name.. and we are not sure who raised him but both of them are buried in the Scottsville, Mitchell County, Kansas Cemetary. You will find different spellings at different times. I may have missed something in your query.....but Maria and Ester were not the same person. Incidently, George is buried next to my great uncle Newton Jasper Culp, Civil War Casualty, in the Pleasant View Cemetery, Liberty, Adams, IL. We can't find Ester/Hester's grave. In our Culp family we know her as Hester. George remarried Elizabeth Allen. Isabelle Culp, born Dearborn, IN in 1830 married Peter Tourney in 1850. He passed away and she married Peter Moulin about 1850. She died in 1914 and along with Tourneys and Moulins is buried in Hill Cemetery, Davis County, Mo. where they migrated to in 1857. Maria, born in 1834 married Franklin Tourney Aug. 7, 1853. Not much info on Franklin and Maria. Their brother, Benjamin Dennis Culp and his wife Martha Van Dusen headed to Missouri also. They are actually buried less then five miles away in the Fairview Cemetery in Harrison County, MO. It very well could have been the same county when they all arrived in Missouri. We have a contingency of about 8 Culps who go back to the different branches starting in NY. However, I knew the granddaughter of George and Franklin Tourney. My Culps migrated to Kansas. Hope this will be of some help. This is the same message that I sent in reply to Mary's note. Some questions. The children that you list are not George and Esters.. Who was the mother? The sister to Ester/Hester Culp was Clarinda and she married Nathan Allen. They then moved to Mitchell County, Kansas with her father Daniel Culp and brothers Charles Woodward Culp, Francis Marion Culp and Francis Milton Culp, Jr. We believe that Nathan's sister was Elizabeth. Nathan's father wwas Asa Allen. I am in contact with some of the Allens, also. Priscilla Kruger Mowinkel

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3884 Message Board Post: My GGGrandparents, William Coats and Sarah Jane Smith, moved to Adams County with his daughter and son-in-law, Reuben and Emily Maxwell, some time between 1870 and 1880. They came from Henry County, IL. They were all farmers here in Henry County and when they are listed in the Adams Co. Census William is a shoemaker and Maxwell is a carpenter. I'm looking for an historian in Adams Co to ask what might have drawn them there. William and Sarah were in their late 60's or early 70's when they moved. It seems like a long move for their age. They were born in New Jersey and went to Warren Co, Ohio in the 1830's then on to Henry Co, in 1857. I just wondered if they went to Adams Co for jobs, religion or were there other family members there? If anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate a reply. Thanks. Steve

This is very interesting could you tell me more about Douglas Malcum Brocksmith My grandfather was the brother of Douglas, Delbert Leon Brocksmith born June 11- He maerried Celesta Schnitger . Delbert and Celesta had a son Harvey Brocksmith.Harvey married Hazel Dinwiddie 11-13-1937 She was born Mar 7th 1921 and died May 1st. 1980 I have lots on the Delbert Brocksmith family .but very litle on Douglas i would love to exchange more info with you Pat goddesscere@yahoo.com wrote:This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3881.1 Message Board Post: Elizabeth ALLEN, born 1835/34 in Ohio Co., KY or Morgan Co., IL; d. a. 1870; Liberty, Adams Co., IL. Living with brother James M. Allen and family in 1850 Census- New Salem, Pike Co., IL. + George Tournear/Tourney, m. 6 Mar 1858; Adams Co., IL; b. 14 Feb 1822; France; d. 27 Mar 1892; Adams Co., IL. George (1) m. Esther Culp, 2 Apr 1846; Adams Co., IL; (3) Mrs. Nancy J. McRae, 18 Jun 1872; Adams Co., IL. He could have been related to the last bodyguard for Napolean, who escaped when he realized he was about to be killed with Napolean. Children: I. Violetta Tourney, b. 23 Dec 1859; Liberty, Adams Co., IL. + John B. "J. B." Breckenridge, m. 20 Aug 1883; Adams Co., IL; b. 1856; d. 17 Jul 1935 (79Y); Liberty, Adams Co., IL; death cert. # 0028251. II. Rhoda A. Tourney, b. 1 Aug 1863; Liberty, Adams Co., IL; d. < 1927; MO. + William Keller, m. 27 Mar 1884; Adams Co., IL; d. 20 Jan 1927; Liberty Twp., Adams Co., IL; death cert. # 0010009. III. Anna A. Tourney, b. 4 Mar 1869; Liberty, Adams Co., IL. IV. William G. (George?)Tourney, b. 6 Oct 1866; Liberty, Adams Co., IL; d. 1930; Philadelphia, MO. + Elizabeth Jane Bendsil, daughter of Charles H. Bendsil and Sarah Jane Bramlette, b. 9 Dec 1875; d. 1941; > Mo by 1895. Children: i. Elva Tournear (female) ii. Marvin Tournear iii. Nellie Tournear,? married. Ferdinand John Michel, 25 Nov 1897; Adams Co., IL; d. 19 Oct 1933; Olney, Richland Co., IL; death cert. # 0800187. iv. Lillian Tournear, b. 24 Oct 1896; Shelby Co., MO; d. 7 Feb 1977; Keokuk, Lee Co., Iowa; buried Philadelphia, Marion Co., MO. # 481-80-1271 (IA-1973) + Douglas Malcom (Polly) Brocksmith, m. 11 Dec 1914; b. 4 Aug 1893; d. Mar 1971; Philadelphia, Marion Co., MO; buried Philadelphia, Marion Co., MO. #327-03-9110 (IL< 1951) Child: ? Hazel Brocksmith, b. 7 Mar 1920; d. May 1980; Maywood, Marion Co., MO. #484-22-7759 (IA< 1951) v. Chester Tournear/Tourney, b. 24 Apr 1898; MO; d. Sep 1972; Hannibal, Marion Co., MO. #486-14-1117 (MO< 1951) + Bessie C. Unknown, b. 28 Nov 1907; d. 11 Oct 1997; Hannibal, Marion Co., MO. #491-26-8393. (MO<1951) vi. Anna L. Tournear, b. 23 Feb 1900; Shelby Co., MO; buried Greenmount Cemetery, Quincy, Adams Co., IL. +Ray Shinnebarger, b. 19 Apr 1896; d. Oct 1979; Quincy, Adams Co., IL. #347-10-9078 (IL< 1951) vii. Harvey Tournear, b. 26 Jul 1904; Emden, MO; d. 16 Jul 1971; Quincy, Adams Co., IL; buried Greenmount Cemetery, Quincy, Adams Co., IL. + Sarah Ellen Means Zachariah Lierly In a book which was found at the Lutheran Church in Liberty (One Hundred Years of Union) and also a book written called (Soldiers of the American Revolution Buried in Illinois) which was written by the Illinois State Genealogical Society in 1976 which was a Bicentennial project of the American Revolution which was found at the Waterloo, Illinois Library. The book states that Zachariah was buried in Lierly Cemetery, Kellerville, Adams County, Illinois. He was one the early settlers in Adams County. He served eight years under George Washington. He died shortly after his arrival in this new land. He was given special burial as the only Revolutionary War Veteran in Adams County. With him was buried a Frenchman. In an early history this Frenchman is merely Tournear. This story has come to our attention concerning this Frenchman. When Napoleon was taken prisoner in 1815, he had two bodyguards. One man was killed, the second man escaped and disappeared. This Frenchman ! named Tournear, who was buried near Liberty in the late 1830's, is believe to be the long lost Napoleonic guard. These two illustrious men are buried a short distance from the village of Liberty on the Merle Koch farm. (Which is also known as five points.) ==== ILADAMS Mailing List ==== Want to put a message on this list about your Adams County ancestors? Send an email to ILADAMS-L@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3574.2 Message Board Post: I can check at the Quincy Library to see if they have a copy of the Portrait & Biographical Album of Sangamon County 1891. If they don't may be it could be ordered through the inter-library loan. The next best thing would post to the Sangamon Rootsweb Board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Seals, Cubbage, Swain Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3883 Message Board Post: Does someone have a copy of the divorce index book for Adams county and would do a look up for me? I am looking for a divorce between Charles Bowles and Rebecca Ann Seals. Rebecca Ann Seals married 2nd in 1881 to Joseph Cubbage and 3rd to William Richards [date unknown]. She is listed on the 1920 census for Quincy as divorced from William Richards.

In a message dated 9/19/02 3:59:44 AM Central Daylight Time, sinaj@cox-internet.com writes: > : > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/1923.2006.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Yes, the info does help, thank you! How are you related to these families? > Is Carrie or Ada Hupert a bloodline for you? > > > > ==== ILADAMS Mailing List ==== > Messages posted to this list must Hello, Thank you for the reply. Ada and Carrie HUPERT are children of George E.Hupert ca. 1834 PA.( m Amy S. McDonald) is a brother to my gggrandfather, John Hupert ca. 1824-26 PA... John's daughter; Ester b. 1861 ILL. d. Oakwood MO. 1951. is my ggrandmother. Father to both these men is John Hupert Sr. b. PA. 30 Jan. 1798 d. 10 May 1876,Payson ILL., thier mother; Susanna (unknown) b. PA. 4 Aug. 1798 d. 13 Jan. 1865 Payson ILL. Can I help in any other way? Do you have any info. on any of these families? Is this your family also? Thank You, Janet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Trimble Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3574.1.2.2 Message Board Post: There is a Portrait & Biographical Album of Sangamon County 1891, in which you may find George Trimble, my 3rd greatgrandfather. He was a son of Hugh, by Hugh's second marriage (to Nancy Northcutt or Nofcutt). In this sketch, Thomas Trimble is said to be a son of Hugh's third marriage, to whom, there is no mention. Wish I could be of more help. I am still trying to verify Hugh's ancestors. There is conflicting,though not much information on him, including place & date of death. Maybe Ursa township, near Quincy?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kincade, Frazer, Crow Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3882 Message Board Post: I found that in the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763-1900 for Adams County there are 3 spellings of Kincaid. My family spelling is Kincade. Joseph Kincade m. Elizabeth Frazer 23 Dec 1841 George H Kincade m. Elizabeth Owen 10 Jan 1847 Robert W Kincade m. Angeline Jump 16 Jan 1851 Mary L Kincade m. Charles H Wood 19 Mar 1863 John H Kincade m. Helen M. Colburn 23 Dec 1875 Lucy Kincade m. George P Jansen 17 Oct 1877 James F Kincade m. Lucy A Curtis 4 Dec 1879 Benjamin F Kincade m. Armina E Berrier 4 Jan 1885 Mary, John, Lucy, James and Benjamin are children of Joseph. Does anyone have any information on George and/or Robert?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/784.2.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Ingrid, Do you have any info on the parent's of Gertrude Thiemann or her siblings? Please, E mail me at Solazzjan@aol.com if you do. Thank you, Janda Thiemann Solazzo

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3503.1.1 Message Board Post: This message is to Jerry Kemner. I also am interested in dates of births, marriages and deaths of the Hild family listed in Adams County records. My grandfather was William August Landwehr (b. 1890, d. 1978). His mother was Lydia Hild Landwehr (b. 1868, d.1937) and his father was William Joseph Landwehr (b. 1868, d. 1913). I have just begun to trace some of my family--Rosendale's and Landwehr's.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hupert-Wagy Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/1923.2006.1.1 Message Board Post: Yes, the info does help, thank you! How are you related to these families? Is Carrie or Ada Hupert a bloodline for you?

Never heard of a Historical Society getting this involved in one family before. Is this an idea that the local society could use? ----------- Each year at the annual Knott County Gingerbread Festival, one of the county's families are honored throughout the Festival. For 2003 the Festival Committee has decided to honour the Jacobs families of Knott and Eastern Kentucky. The Festival takes place in September on the weekend following Labor Day, beginning Wednesday through Sunday. Throughout the year, the Knott County Historical Society begins the arduous task of locating Jacobs family researchers and then creates a Jacobs Family Research & Documentation Committee. This committee begins working on a publication to exhibit at the Societies facilities for visitors to peruse during the Festival. Sometimes the committees formed decide to publish a book of the family's history to be sold during the Festival. The Society also seeks volunteers to assist in preparing the museum for family exhibits, window displays, floats, etc. The success of the family's honor depends upon how many family members are willing to assist in a volunteer manner. If interested in helping the Society with this project Click here or http://www.coollist.com/subscribe.html - then type in the LIST ID box: jacobs Then type in your email address where you want to receive the postings for the list in the box provided for your email address. If you have ties to the Eastern Kentucky sept of Jacobs, please contact me. Thanks. David R. Smith, Pres. Knott County Historical Society knothist@tgtel.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3881.1 Message Board Post: Elizabeth ALLEN, born 1835/34 in Ohio Co., KY or Morgan Co., IL; d. a. 1870; Liberty, Adams Co., IL. Living with brother James M. Allen and family in 1850 Census- New Salem, Pike Co., IL. + George Tournear/Tourney, m. 6 Mar 1858; Adams Co., IL; b. 14 Feb 1822; France; d. 27 Mar 1892; Adams Co., IL. George (1) m. Esther Culp, 2 Apr 1846; Adams Co., IL; (3) Mrs. Nancy J. McRae, 18 Jun 1872; Adams Co., IL. He could have been related to the last bodyguard for Napolean, who escaped when he realized he was about to be killed with Napolean. Children: I. Violetta Tourney, b. 23 Dec 1859; Liberty, Adams Co., IL. + John B. "J. B." Breckenridge, m. 20 Aug 1883; Adams Co., IL; b. 1856; d. 17 Jul 1935 (79Y); Liberty, Adams Co., IL; death cert. # 0028251. II. Rhoda A. Tourney, b. 1 Aug 1863; Liberty, Adams Co., IL; d. < 1927; MO. + William Keller, m. 27 Mar 1884; Adams Co., IL; d. 20 Jan 1927; Liberty Twp., Adams Co., IL; death cert. # 0010009. III. Anna A. Tourney, b. 4 Mar 1869; Liberty, Adams Co., IL. IV. William G. (George?)Tourney, b. 6 Oct 1866; Liberty, Adams Co., IL; d. 1930; Philadelphia, MO. + Elizabeth Jane Bendsil, daughter of Charles H. Bendsil and Sarah Jane Bramlette, b. 9 Dec 1875; d. 1941; > Mo by 1895. Children: i. Elva Tournear (female) ii. Marvin Tournear iii. Nellie Tournear,? married. Ferdinand John Michel, 25 Nov 1897; Adams Co., IL; d. 19 Oct 1933; Olney, Richland Co., IL; death cert. # 0800187. iv. Lillian Tournear, b. 24 Oct 1896; Shelby Co., MO; d. 7 Feb 1977; Keokuk, Lee Co., Iowa; buried Philadelphia, Marion Co., MO. # 481-80-1271 (IA-1973) + Douglas Malcom (Polly) Brocksmith, m. 11 Dec 1914; b. 4 Aug 1893; d. Mar 1971; Philadelphia, Marion Co., MO; buried Philadelphia, Marion Co., MO. #327-03-9110 (IL< 1951) Child: ? Hazel Brocksmith, b. 7 Mar 1920; d. May 1980; Maywood, Marion Co., MO. #484-22-7759 (IA< 1951) v. Chester Tournear/Tourney, b. 24 Apr 1898; MO; d. Sep 1972; Hannibal, Marion Co., MO. #486-14-1117 (MO< 1951) + Bessie C. Unknown, b. 28 Nov 1907; d. 11 Oct 1997; Hannibal, Marion Co., MO. #491-26-8393. (MO<1951) vi. Anna L. Tournear, b. 23 Feb 1900; Shelby Co., MO; buried Greenmount Cemetery, Quincy, Adams Co., IL. +Ray Shinnebarger, b. 19 Apr 1896; d. Oct 1979; Quincy, Adams Co., IL. #347-10-9078 (IL< 1951) vii. Harvey Tournear, b. 26 Jul 1904; Emden, MO; d. 16 Jul 1971; Quincy, Adams Co., IL; buried Greenmount Cemetery, Quincy, Adams Co., IL. + Sarah Ellen Means Zachariah Lierly In a book which was found at the Lutheran Church in Liberty (One Hundred Years of Union) and also a book written called (Soldiers of the American Revolution Buried in Illinois) which was written by the Illinois State Genealogical Society in 1976 which was a Bicentennial project of the American Revolution which was found at the Waterloo, Illinois Library. The book states that Zachariah was buried in Lierly Cemetery, Kellerville, Adams County, Illinois. He was one the early settlers in Adams County. He served eight years under George Washington. He died shortly after his arrival in this new land. He was given special burial as the only Revolutionary War Veteran in Adams County. With him was buried a Frenchman. In an early history this Frenchman is merely Tournear. This story has come to our attention concerning this Frenchman. When Napoleon was taken prisoner in 1815, he had two bodyguards. One man was killed, the second man escaped and disappeared. This Frenchman ! named Tournear, who was buried near Liberty in the late 1830's, is believe to be the long lost Napoleonic guard. These two illustrious men are buried a short distance from the village of Liberty on the Merle Koch farm. (Which is also known as five points.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GOULD,WILLING,HERMANS,WEIBERING,WEIBRING,MEYER,GROSS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3674.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Ann. I appreciate your help. Any chance of finding out who owns this cemetery? Or where their records are? I often wonder how someone could be buried in a cemetery and no one knows where they buried them.This has happened here in MI too. The cemetery says "yes, they are buried here but we don't know where".Even without markers you would think that someone would have recorded what lot they were buried in. I hope he has an obituary. Did you find the location of your Great Grandparents graves in Graceland? Thanks again and I will hope you are able to find Robert Gould's obituary for me.

Hi I know very little about the Tourney family but Lillian Tourney married Dougas Malcom (Polly )Brocksmith Dec 11 1914 I have the obit of Bessie Tourney She was married to Chester Touney.I'm descended from the Brocksmith family i would like to find more about Polly If we connect let me know. hlm@qtm.net wrote:This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Culp, Tourney/Turney, Lirele, Vancil Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3881 Message Board Post: Did any of these Tourneys become Turneys? Adams Co Illinois marriages 04/02/1846 Esther Culp to George Turney/Tourney 11/18/1850 Isabella Culp to Peter Turney/Twiney 08/07/1853 Maria Culp to Franklin Tourney also 1858 George Tourney to Elizabeth Allen >From Adam Co Illinois genweb page - under Zachariah Lierly, Rev. War Veteran - it mentions he was given special burial as the only Revolutionary War Veteran in Adams County. With him was buried a Frenchman. Family story: when Nepoleon was taken prisoner in 1815, he had two bodyguards. One man was killed, the second man escaped and disappeared. This Frenchman named Tournear, who was buried near Liberty in the late 1830's, is believed to be the long lost Napoleonic guard...... Fact: 1850 Census Adams County Illinois Liberty family 16, house 16 William Vancil age 28 born Illinois Mary A age 24 born France John age 2 born Illinois Henry age 1 born Illinois Joseph Turney age 22 born France (this would make me think Joseph Turney was a brother to Mary Vancil....and the name is TURNEY in this census.) same house, different family house 16, family 17 Zachiarah Lirele age 30 born Illinois George age 7 born Illinois Jane? age 6 born Illinois William age 3 born Illinois As far as the Culps, I found the father under Culph 1850 Adams Co Illinois census Jacob Culph age 64 born Tennessee Mary age 55 Isabella age 20 born Indiana Drucilla? age 14 born Indiana (Isabella Culp is the one who married Peter Turney/Twiney in November of 1850) 1850 Adams Co Illinois census George Towney age 28 born France Esther age 23 born Indiana Jefferson age 3 born Illinois John B age 1 born Illinois Maria Culph age 16 born Indiana (this would be Esther Culp who married George Turney/Tourney in 1846. Maria is her sister and would marry Franklin Tourney in 1853.) I just wonder what name these families finally used....was it Tourney or Turney? I think Tourney but wanted to be sure. Mary Turney Miller hlm@qtm.net ==== ILADAMS Mailing List ==== Having trouble subscribing or unsubscribing? Please email the List Administrator at llee@ksni.net. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3674.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hello! I looked in the Graceland Cemetery book at the library and Robert Dean Gould was listed in the section of burials with No Stone & No Location known. Unfortunately, my Great Grandparents are buried in Graceland with No Stone also. I will get back down to the library to search for the obituary & let you know! Ann

The name was changed because of the census taker. When you listen to Tournear with a very heavy French accent, it sounds like Tourney. George Tournear's children used Tourney, although it's probable that every variation in spelling is the same family. They were quite a large family and didn't arrive together, as the father was running from Napolean's assassins. Peg Spencer

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wg.2ADE/3674.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello! I will look to see what I can find for you. I know what it is like to not live where your main source of information would be. We are lucky to have a library with some pretty good information sources.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Culp, Tourney/Turney, Lirele, Vancil Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3881 Message Board Post: Did any of these Tourneys become Turneys? Adams Co Illinois marriages 04/02/1846 Esther Culp to George Turney/Tourney 11/18/1850 Isabella Culp to Peter Turney/Twiney 08/07/1853 Maria Culp to Franklin Tourney also 1858 George Tourney to Elizabeth Allen >From Adam Co Illinois genweb page - under Zachariah Lierly, Rev. War Veteran - it mentions he was given special burial as the only Revolutionary War Veteran in Adams County. With him was buried a Frenchman. Family story: when Nepoleon was taken prisoner in 1815, he had two bodyguards. One man was killed, the second man escaped and disappeared. This Frenchman named Tournear, who was buried near Liberty in the late 1830's, is believed to be the long lost Napoleonic guard...... Fact: 1850 Census Adams County Illinois Liberty family 16, house 16 William Vancil age 28 born Illinois Mary A age 24 born France John age 2 born Illinois Henry age 1 born Illinois Joseph Turney age 22 born France (this would make me think Joseph Turney was a brother to Mary Vancil....and the name is TURNEY in this census.) same house, different family house 16, family 17 Zachiarah Lirele age 30 born Illinois George age 7 born Illinois Jane? age 6 born Illinois William age 3 born Illinois As far as the Culps, I found the father under Culph 1850 Adams Co Illinois census Jacob Culph age 64 born Tennessee Mary age 55 Isabella age 20 born Indiana Drucilla? age 14 born Indiana (Isabella Culp is the one who married Peter Turney/Twiney in November of 1850) 1850 Adams Co Illinois census George Towney age 28 born France Esther age 23 born Indiana Jefferson age 3 born Illinois John B age 1 born Illinois Maria Culph age 16 born Indiana (this would be Esther Culp who married George Turney/Tourney in 1846. Maria is her sister and would marry Franklin Tourney in 1853.) I just wonder what name these families finally used....was it Tourney or Turney? I think Tourney but wanted to be sure. Mary Turney Miller hlm@qtm.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GOULD,HERMANS,WEIBERING,WEIBRING,WILLING,MEYER,GROSS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADE/3674.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the reply and the information on Graceland Cemetery. I would appreciate any thing you can find on Robert Dean Gould. An obituary would be really great. I live in Michigan and although I have wanted to go to Quincy,IL for years,just never seem to be able to get there. I am wondering if Robert even has a headstone. By 1926 all of my Goulds had moved to KS or MI except Robert. Thanks for your kind offer to look for an obituary -- it would be great if you could find one.