If you've been following this thread and checked the websites, you'll see that either the family or the funeral home can file the info with the SS Dept. In fact, with some search engines for SSDI, it sometimes tells you whether the info came from a funeral home or was proven by a family member. Not for all individuals, but for some. Doris Waggoner Seattle -- "Errol Cross" <ecross@cypressmail.net> wrote: That is not true. All four of our parents are dead. We never requested benefits from Social Security in any form. All of our parents show on the SS Index with the correct dates and locations. It may be the funeral home that notifies the SS Department. We suspect that the problem has to do with the filing of death process, rather than with anything else. Errol and Valerie Cross Our Home Page "They were all Hero's" -----Original Message----- From: Mike Conners [mailto:conners1@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:47 PM To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index Social Security will only show if someone has collected a death benifit....otherwise it will not show for any other reason..... ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This is why you see some seniors living together and not getting married. If you remarry, you would lose that extra $400. And as I'm on SS disability too, I know how much an extra $400 would mean! Somebody past 65 in my family has been living with somebody for some years without benefit of matrimony. There is some grousing in the family but I've always wondered if it's not because one or the other would lose a former spouse's SS or other pension if they got married. And it's not as if they were 16 and didn't know their own minds, now, is it. At their ages, if they want to live on their own, as I've chosen to do, fine. If they want to live as a couple, fine. Just don't remarry legally! Don't lose that benefit! -- "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> wrote: >From what So Sec told me is I can draw on my husband who passed away as we was married over 10 years and I'm disabled (job injury). I was told that if I remarry I can't draw on him anymore. As you have to be married 10 years and not have remarried. So if his first wife had not remarried (they was married 22 years) she and I both could draw. Now I only get a percentage of his money now but when I turn 66 I will get all his and my still get my own disability too...wow that is something to look forward to. and that will get me about $400 more a month when I'm 66. ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois Lookup Web Page</a> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Social Security Death Index lists the last residence they sent benefits to, not necessarily where the person died. Also not always the birth state but lists where the person first signed up for SS card . Social Security leads a lot of people wrong if you don't understand this. ---- "Kate B." <katekb@consolidated.net> wrote: > As you probably have several answer you but the problem that I have is that > my mother is listed as dying in a different county from the one that she > really died in. > > I have even sent emails trying to get this corrected but so far it still has > her listed in a different county. Even checked her SS number to make sure > that it was the right one that was listed wrong. > > In later years that could really lead to some problems for researchers with > wrong listings of place of death. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> > To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:48 PM > Subject: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index > > > > I wanted a obit look up and got the death date from the So Sec death index > > and the lady lived in the same town as where the So Sec death index said > she > > died and the lady couldn't find anything....why does death index say > > something and then no one can find anything...this has happened twice. > > > > Also So Sec death index says its up to date though 2004 and I know someone > > died in 1990 and I have the So Sec number but its not there and I know he > > died in 1990 as I was married to him.. > > > > anyone know why the So Sec death index say's one thing and then you can't > find the information. Anyone else have this problem. > > > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/05 > > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

If we do not turn in the death certificate for the person, they are not listed in the SS Index. I had to turn my Dad's in, and he is listed. My neice did not turn my sister's in, and she is not listed. We are responsible for it. It doesn't mean that any death benefits were collected...it just means that we turned the death certificate in to SS.

What I was told when I talked to SS about my case was that if I "drew on" his--or if all three wives drew on his--it would have no effect on how much he could draw. Remember that while how much you get depends on how much money you (or he) made, the money does not come directly out of the money you paid in. That's what the whole fight over SS in Congress right now is about. The money we will get comes from the younger folks who are working. That has always been the way it worked. So his "taking" some of yours wouldn't have taken a penny of yours. It would just have added a little to his income. It would have added to the public debt, however. I don't think that's part of what Congress is fighting over, because in total, it's very minor. The big problem is that there are fewer and fewer working people to pay for retirees. I will not take my ex's SS, because it would be a lot less than taking my own SS. I know his next wife, and the same will be true for her. I was told that you can't take your own SS and your ex's, so you'd only take your ex's if, like my mother, your own is very small. In my ex's case, he may have one wife, who he may still be married to, collecting his SS when he dies. It does surprise me that your ex was told he could have both his and yours. That contradicts what I was told. But then different people at SS could give different info. Doris -- Jeannabee@aol.com wrote: My ex-husband is 9 months younger than I am. We had been divorced for 20 years when I applied for Social Security. When he became eligible for drawing his Social Security he was asked if he wanted part of mine. I was so horrified since I was not getting much that I never did understand about that philosophy. However, he told them he did not want to do that to me. Jeannie from OR In a message dated 5/30/2005 1:51:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, doriswaggoner@juno.com writes: But if you were married to him for 10 or more years, you can draw off his earnings after he dies. If you are remarried, you have to choose among your own pension, your husband's pension, or your ex-husband's pension. If you take any husband's pension, you get a big cut. In my case, my ex has been married 4 times. (His name's different, so I'm not giving anything away.) One was brief. But the others were all 10+ years. When he dies, three women could potentially draw off his account. In my case, I'll get more to usse my own account, but I don't know about the other two. But if he is an ex-husband, SS will not notify you. It is your responsibility to find out that he is dead and notify them, proving that you were married and divorced. Another use for the SSDI, if you're not in contact. Doris ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois Lookup Web Page</a> ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

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Whether they (teachers, firefighters, etc.) pay into and are covered by social security varies by local and state government and school districts. Some school districts and government entities participate in social security while others have their own retirement systems in place. For more information see the social security website at: http://www.socialsecurity.gov/ Whether an individual paid into social security should have no bearing on whether they are listed in the social security death index. As long as the individual had a social security number, and their death was reported to the social security administration by the proper authorities, then they should be listed with the exceptions noted in the following sites: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/ssdi/faq.htm Barbara (Saxbury) Freeman http://www.Saxbury.net http://www.NewspaperAbstracts.com http://www.PikeCoILGenWeb.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Schroeder Enlow" <my.chinadolls@verizon.net> To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index > It is my understanding that teachers & Firefighters ect don't draw on SS > either. Does anyone know if this is the case? >

We checked the Macon Co. obits. We found nothing; however in looking for the Macon Co Obits, we found this: State Journal-Register, The (Springfield, IL) - November 3, 1988 Deceased Name: James Gunning Jr. 25, of Mason City died at 8 p.m. Tuesday at St. John's Hospital from injuries he received in a one-car accident Sunday near Mason City. Services will be at 10 a.m. Friday at Mason City Assembly of God Church. Burial will be in Mason City Cemetery. Cain Funeral Home, Mason City, is in charge of arrangements. Surviving are his parents, James and Shirley Gunning of Mason City; one son, James R. III of Mason City; two sisters, Michelle Gunning and Debra Cooper, both of Mason City; two grandmothers, Alta Roberts of Jerseyville and Iva Gunning of Carlinville. State Journal-Register, The (Springfield, IL) Date: November 3, 1988 Edition: M1,M2,S1 Page: 26 Record Number: 0000104205 Errol and Valerie Cross Our Home Page "They were all Hero's" -----Original Message----- From: R. [mailto:rb7us@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:40 PM To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IL-OBITS] Requesting obit lookup Please in Macon Co/Sangamon Co., for " J.R.Gunning-born 1963, died Nov. 1988"... Was in a car accident around Oct 31, lived a couple days in Sangamon Co., Hospital before dying Nov. 1st or 2nd, 1988..... regards, ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ______________________________Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:02:58 -0700 From: "Linda Lambert" <ktlkate@extremezone.com> To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IL-OBITS] Utz - Macon and Sangamon Counties, IL Thank you very, very much. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Errol Cross [mailto:ecross@cypressmail.net] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:26 PM To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IL-OBITS] Utz - Macon and Sangamon Counties, IL The date is wrong (don't know where the mistake occurred), but it is the right person. State Journal-Register, The (Springfield, IL) - January 7, 1991 Deceased Name: Gertrude L. Utz Gertrude L. Utz 91, of Decatur, formerly of Illiopolis, died at 7:10 p.m. Saturday in Decatur. She was born October 4, 1899, in Teutopolis, the daughter of F.G. and Anna Riemann Hattrup. She married Herman S. Utz in 1922. He preceded her in death in 1955. Also preceding her in death were two brothers and one sister. She was a member of the Church of the Visitation in Illiopolis. Surviving are one son, Kenneth R. of Ohiopyle, Pa.; one daughter, Mrs. Bruce (Marilyn) Carmean of Decatur; three grandchildren; one great-grandchild; and one sister, Emma Kralman of Effingham. Services will be at 9:30 a.m. Tuesday at the Holy Family Catholic Church in Decatur, with the Rev. Zvonimir Damjanor officiating. Burial will be in St. Anthony Cemetery in Effingham. State Journal-Register, The (Springfield, IL) Date: January 7, 1991 Edition: M1,M2 Page: 7 Our access to papers weaken about 1933 thru about 1995. We have nothing on Herman, but we suggest that you contact the Springfield papers. Errol and Valerie Cross Our Home Page "They were all Hero's" -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lambert [mailto:ktlkate@extremezone.com] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:54 PM To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IL-OBITS] Utz - Macon and Sangamon Counties, IL Looking for obituary of Gertrude Utz died 1-5-1992 in Decatur (Macon County) Illinois, but lived in Illiopolis (Sangamon County) Illinois. Looking for obituary of Herman S. Utz died May 18, 1955 in Illiopolis (Sangamon County) Illinois. They lived all their married life in Illiopolis (Sangamon County) Illinois. Time and again I've talked to people at the Illiopolis Sentinel on the phone and offered to pay them whatever they wanted for the obituaries, knowing that I have to be patient, but I think 2 years is being patient enough. Does anyone on this list have access to these records? Linda (in Arizona) ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 04:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Gene&EveS <esell904@peoplepc.com> To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IL-OBITS] Sell-Schuyler County IL Looking for obituary for Ruben Sell died 5 Nov 1854 Birmingham, Schuyler Co IL. He was born 1804 NC. Wife Catherine Bodenhamer Sell. Ruben and Catherine lived in Schuyler Co from 1837, coming there from Stokes CO. NC. Thanks esell904@peoplepc.com ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:19:54 -0500 From: annashel@webtv.net (Anna Shelton) To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] Franklin Co.; Alexancer Young I was unable to find an obit for Alexander Young or Martha Young. I checked the Benton, IL (Franklin Co.) newspaper and didn't find either. I tried W. Frankfort, but their newspaper microfilms don't go back any further than 1919. Sorry. Anna ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:13:00 -0500 From: cagarbo@webtv.net (Carol Garbo) To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] Franklin Co.; Alexancer Young I was afraid that might be the case. Thank you for looking. Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance! ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:21:52 -0500 From: cagarbo@webtv.net (Carol Garbo) To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Franklin Co.;Young I am searching for an obit for: Jackson Young who died 9 December 1940 in West Frankfort, IL. Jackson was his middle name; his first name was Samuel but was mistakenly put down as Andrew on his death certificate. So, the obit may read as Andrew Jackson Young or Samuel Jackson Young or Samuel Young. Thank you for any help. Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance! ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:25:37 -0500 From: annashel@webtv.net (Anna Shelton) To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] Franklin Co.;Young It will be Tues. before the library is open again. I'll see what I can find then. Anna ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:19:43 -0500 From: cagarbo@webtv.net (Carol Garbo) To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] Franklin Co.;Young Thanks! Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance! ______________________________Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:39:40 -0600 From: "Joann Coleman" <jcolema1@elp.rr.com> To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] Franklin Co.;Young I too, am searching for an obit from West Frankfort Illinois. My grandfather, CHARLES THOMAS WEBSTER died there in 1950. I do not know the month or day. He was buried in Sorento, Bond county Illinois at Sunnyside Cemetery. Is there someone there who could look up an obit for him. Many thanks in advance. Joann Webster Higgins >I am searching for an obit for: Jackson Young who died 9 December 1940 > in West Frankfort, IL. Jackson was his middle name; his first name was > Samuel but was mistakenly put down as Andrew on his death certificate. > So, the obit may read as Andrew Jackson Young or Samuel Jackson Young or > Samuel Young. Thank you for any help. Carol > > Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we > are here, we may as well dance! > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois > Lookup Web Page > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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It is my understanding that teachers & Firefighters ect don't draw on SS either. Does anyone know if this is the case? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jeannabee@aol.com> To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index > > Well, Joann > > That is a very good question to say the very least. My info comes from > the > 1960s when I helped take care of an old lady across the street. We > became > good friends. She had worked for the RR and told me she did not get Soc. > Sec. > because she had a RR pension and was not allowed to have both. > > Jeannie From OR > > In a message dated 5/30/2005 2:24:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jcolema1@elp.rr.com writes: > > Then why did my grandfather who worked for the B&O Railroad have a Soc > Sec > card??? Joann > > > >> >> >> People who worked for the Railroad did not collect Social Security. >> They >> had a Railroad pension. >> >> Jeannie from OR >> >> In a message dated 5/30/2005 12:48:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> ladybug@arends-sons.com writes: >> >> I've had good luck with SSDI; as I understand it, the family has to >> file >> for >> >> benefits after the death? I miss some too; however, some occupations >> do >> not >> pay into SS? Otherwise, I don't know. ladybug >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> >> To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:48 PM >> Subject: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index >> >> >>>I wanted a obit look up and got the death date from the So Sec death >>>index >>> and the lady lived in the same town as where the So Sec death index >>> said >>> she >>> died and the lady couldn't find anything....why does death index say >>> something and then no one can find anything...this has happened twice. >>> >>> Also So Sec death index says its up to date though 2004 and I know >>> someone >>> died in 1990 and I have the So Sec number but its not there and I know >>> he >>> died in 1990 as I was married to him.. >>> >>> anyone know why the So Sec death index say's one thing and then you >>> can't >>> find the information. Anyone else have this problem. >>> >>> > > > > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

After a certain date--and I don't know what it was--the two systems weree merged. In one of the earlier posts in this thread were several URLs to info on SS. One of them explained this, giving the time frame. It was today. If you don't still have the messages it would be worth going back to the archives and search for this thread. Doris -- "Joann Coleman" <jcolema1@elp.rr.com> wrote: Then why did my grandfather who worked for the B&O Railroad have a Soc Sec card??? Joann > > > People who worked for the Railroad did not collect Social Security. They > had a Railroad pension. > > Jeannie from OR > > In a message dated 5/30/2005 12:48:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ladybug@arends-sons.com writes: > > I've had good luck with SSDI; as I understand it, the family has to file > for > > benefits after the death? I miss some too; however, some occupations do > not > pay into SS? Otherwise, I don't know. ladybug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> > To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:48 PM > Subject: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index > > >>I wanted a obit look up and got the death date from the So Sec death >>index >> and the lady lived in the same town as where the So Sec death index said >> she >> died and the lady couldn't find anything....why does death index say >> something and then no one can find anything...this has happened twice. >> >> Also So Sec death index says its up to date though 2004 and I know >> someone >> died in 1990 and I have the So Sec number but its not there and I know >> he >> died in 1990 as I was married to him.. >> >> anyone know why the So Sec death index say's one thing and then you >> can't >> find the information. Anyone else have this problem. >> >> >> ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors >> at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > _Illinois Lookup Web Page_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I had somebody I couldn't find on two different indexes, trying various methods. I just went through the ones Vickie suggested, and there she was in the second one. Thanks. I'll keep these resources! Doris -- "Vickie Howell" <buttonsvh@psci.net> wrote: I also found out if I don't find it on one of the SSDI I may find it on another ( I have found several this way site) I normally use http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/fto_ssdisearch.html?Welcome=1084388869 if I can't find it there I go to http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true I then try www.mytrees.com the SSDI search is free. My last source is Ancestry. I am not a supscriber but if I find one that is close I have a friend pull it up for me. Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [IL-OBITS] So Sec > No one is drawing off my ex-husband as he never remarried and no one is > drawing off my half sister as well as my mother. > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > <a > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois > Lookup Web Page</a> > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois Lookup Web Page</a> ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

It sounds like all but one of the people in your life who have died have not turned up on SSDI. Even when you turned it in yourself. It does make one wonder. . . -- "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> wrote: One would think that after 15 years of being dead he would be on there. I don't get any widows from him as I worked and I remarried so don't anything...But due from my husband who passed away in 2004 and his death is on it. But not my half sister who died in 1982 or my ex-hubby who died in 1990 or my mother who passed away in 1983. And I turned that one in as did the State of CA as she was in a Care Home and the payments to them had to stop. ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois Lookup Web Page</a> ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

That is not true. All four of our parents are dead. We never requested benefits from Social Security in any form. All of our parents show on the SS Index with the correct dates and locations. It may be the funeral home that notifies the SS Department. We suspect that the problem has to do with the filing of death process, rather than with anything else. Errol and Valerie Cross Our Home Page "They were all Hero's" -----Original Message----- From: Mike Conners [mailto:conners1@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:47 PM To: IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index Social Security will only show if someone has collected a death benifit....otherwise it will not show for any other reason..... ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

But if you were married to him for 10 or more years, you can draw off his earnings after he dies. If you are remarried, you have to choose among your own pension, your husband's pension, or your ex-husband's pension. If you take any husband's pension, you get a big cut. In my case, my ex has been married 4 times. (His name's different, so I'm not giving anything away.) One was brief. But the others were all 10+ years. When he dies, three women could potentially draw off his account. In my case, I'll get more to usse my own account, but I don't know about the other two. But if he is an ex-husband, SS will not notify you. It is your responsibility to find out that he is dead and notify them, proving that you were married and divorced. Another use for the SSDI, if you're not in contact. Doris -- "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> wrote: No one is drawing off my ex-husband as he never remarried and no one is drawing off my half sister as well as my mother. ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois Lookup Web Page</a> ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

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Vickie, Well, that's a relief! I didn't want to wait for my mother to die to test that experiment! She's in very good health. And I also read in one of the sites Barbara (a very good researcher who has helped me a lot)reccommended that very few before 1962 will show up. Likewise, some railroad workers won't show up because there was a parallel system for them. And those who worked for the federal government, even as civilians, had a paralell system. They don't show up either. I'd been wondering because I couldn't find the date of death for my sister's father-in-law, and his son and wife could only remember the year he died (in the 60s). She was visiting a couple of weeks ago and she verified that they (she also worked for the Navy) were never in SS. They got better pensions, tho! Doris -- "Vickie Howell" <buttonsvh@psci.net> wrote: Doris: My mother's SSN showed up as her own and she was drawing off my fathers SSN. So I would imagine hers will show up. Also I remember reading somewhere that the states where not required to submit the deaths to the SSDI pior to 1962. So that may also explain why someone with a SSN does not show up. Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: <doriswaggoner@juno.com> To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index > > I haven't had the problem but this is a guess. My mother, 90, has a SSN. > But she worked less than 10 years and is collecting on my father's SS > pension. I wonder if when she dies she will not show up for that reason? > You could call the SS 800 number and ask why. Good luck though. Don't > call MT, and be prepared to sit on the phone all day getting busy signals > or waiting on infinite hold. Or if there's a SS office near you, go sit > all day, getting there when they open. > > Somebody has to send the data to SS. I think it's the funeral home. So > if they don't do it in a timely fashion, it doesn't get to SS in a timely > fashion. And though the sites say its up to date through 2004 don't > believe it. Sorry if all this sounds cynical. But we're dealing with a > government bureacracy here. > > Doris Waggoner > Seattle > > -- Jeannabee@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, I have had the problem. Soc sec index does not have one of my > parents, > nor one of my grandparents. Yet I was there when they died so I know > should > be there. > > Jeannie fron OR > > In a message dated 5/30/2005 11:49:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mamahop@pioneer-net.com writes: > > I wanted a obit look up and got the death date from the So Sec death > index > and the lady lived in the same town as where the So Sec death index said > she > died and the lady couldn't find anything....why does death index say > something and then no one can find anything...this has happened twice. > > Also So Sec death index says its up to date though 2004 and I know > someone > died in 1990 and I have the So Sec number but its not there and I know he > died in 1990 as I was married to him.. > > anyone know why the So Sec death index say's one thing and then you can't > find the information. Anyone else have this problem. > > > > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > <a > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois > Lookup Web Page</a> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > <a > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html">Illinois > Lookup Web Page</a> > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

The sites you suggest are wonderful, Barbara. Doris -- "S - Barbara" <barbara@saxbury.net> wrote: The individual may not have actually lived in the area in which she died. For example, if the individual died at a hospital or nursing home outside of the area they spent the majority of their life, an obituary may not have been published in that area but rather in their 'hometown'. As for the social security index, not all deaths are recorded in the index due to a variety of reasons. For more information see the following sites: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/ssdi/faq.htm Barbara (Saxbury) Freeman http://www.Saxbury.net http://www.NewspaperAbstracts.com http://www.PikeCoILGenWeb.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "mamahop" <mamahop@pioneer-net.com> To: <IL-OBITS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [IL-OBITS] RE: So Sec death index > I wanted a obit look up and got the death date from the So Sec death index > and the lady lived in the same town as where the So Sec death index said she > died and the lady couldn't find anything....why does death index say > something and then no one can find anything...this has happened twice. > > Also So Sec death index says its up to date though 2004 and I know someone > died in 1990 and I have the So Sec number but its not there and I know he > died in 1990 as I was married to him.. > > anyone know why the So Sec death index say's one thing and then you can't find the information. Anyone else have this problem. > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > ==== IL-OBITS Mailing List ==== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volil.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Doris Well, I was so shocked I did not really understand . It was 15 or so years ago that I started drawing mine. He may not have fully understood it either, or in my state of shock I did not hear his explanation. Jeannie from OR In a message dated 5/30/2005 3:58:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, doriswaggoner@juno.com writes: What I was told when I talked to SS about my case was that if I "drew on" his--or if all three wives drew on his--it would have no effect on how much he could draw. Remember that while how much you get depends on how much money you (or he) made, the money does not come directly out of the money you paid in. That's what the whole fight over SS in Congress right now is about. The money we will get comes from the younger folks who are working. That has always been the way it worked. So his "taking" some of yours wouldn't have taken a penny of yours. It would just have added a little to his income. It would have added to the public debt, however. I don't think that's part of what Congress is fighting over, because in total, it's very minor. The big problem is that there are fewer and fewer working people to pay for retirees. I will not take my ex's SS, because it would be a lot less than taking my own SS. I know his next wife, and the same will be true for her. I was told that you can't take your own SS and your ex's, so you'd only take your ex's if, like my mother, your own is very small. In my ex's case, he may have one wife, who he may still be married to, collecting his SS when he dies. It does surprise me that your ex was told he could have both his and yours. That contradicts what I was told. But then different people at SS could give different info. Doris -- Jeannabee@aol.com wrote: My ex-husband is 9 months younger than I am. We had been divorced for 20 years when I applied for Social Security. When he became eligible for drawing his Social Security he was asked if he wanted part of mine. I was so horrified since I was not getting much that I never did understand about that philosophy. However, he told them he did not want to do that to me. Jeannie from OR In a message dated 5/30/2005 1:51:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, doriswaggoner@juno.com writes: But if you were married to him for 10 or more years, you can draw off his earnings after he dies. If you are remarried, you have to choose among your own pension, your husband's pension, or your ex-husband's pension. If you take any husband's pension, you get a big cut. In my case, my ex has been married 4 times. (His name's different, so I'm not giving anything away.) One was brief. But the others were all 10+ years. When he dies, three women could potentially draw off his account. In my case, I'll get more to usse my own account, but I don't know about the other two. But if he is an ex-husband, SS will not notify you. It is your responsibility to find out that he is dead and notify them, proving that you were married and divorced. Another use for the SSDI, if you're not in contact. Doris