these names are all in schaumburg township.... my message to Christie would be to check the archives of all three of our related lists for thename, but most especially schaumburg..... ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: Thies/Engelking/Pfingsten/Vehe in Northfield, Palatine, Elk Grove I recently subscribed to this list and am exploring the family and descendants of Johann Conrad THIES, who had a farm in Northfield. One of his daughters married an Otto ENGELKING who apparently lived in Elk Grove before enlisting in the Civil War and Palatine after. After his death, she married Charles DANIELSEN in Palatine. My primary sources of information for the descendant report below have been census records, FHL film of records from St. Peter's Lutheran Church in Northfield, and Karen Rowe's Web site. I'm interested in finding out more about all of the families, especially if anyone knows of the parents of Heinrich Otto Engelking. Thank you, Christie Robinson Descendants of Johann Conrad Thies Generation No. 1 Johann Conrad1 Thies was born August 27, 1800 in Apelern, Germany1,2, and died January 14, 1871 in Northfield, Cook, IL2. He married (1) Maria Elisabeth Foehr (Boehr?) October 03, 18302. She was born in Schachten, Germany2, and died Bef. 1846 in Germany. He married (2) Hanne Friederike Charlotte Schermer October 15, 1843 in Apelern, Germany2. She was born February 16, 1813 in Altenhagen, Germany3. More About Johann Conrad Thies: Immigration: July 01, 1846, ship Johann Dethard from Bremen to New York4 Occupation: farmer5 Property: 1860, $3,000 real estate and $600 personal property6 Children of ConradThies and Maria (Boehr?) are: + 2 i. Charles (Karl Konrad August)2 Thies, born March 30, 1841 in Apelern, Germany. + 3 ii. Sophia Alvine Friedericke Thies, born December 25, 1845 in Apelern, Germany. Children of Conrad Thies and Hanne Schermer are: 4 i. Sophia Caroline Doris2 Thies, born September 29, 1848 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois7. She married Hermann Hine November 24, 1867 in Northfield, Cook, IL8. More About Sophia Caroline Doris Thies: Baptism: October 22, 1848, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Confirmation: May 11, 1862, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 5 ii. Maria Anna Thies, born November 27, 1850 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois8. More About Maria Anna Thies: Baptism: December 24, 1850, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Confirmation: 1864, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 + 6 iii. Karl Frederick Thies, born May 15, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois. 7 iv. Louise Justine Doris Thies, born May 16, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, IL8; died September 14, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, IL8. 8 v. Sophia Thies, born September 16, 1857 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois8. More About Sophia Thies: Baptism: November 15, 1857, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Confirmation: 1872, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Generation No. 2 2. Charles (Karl Konrad August)2 Thies (Johann Conrad1) was born March 30, 1841 in Apelern, Germany8. He married Elizabeth9. She was born 1842 in Prussia9. More About Charles (Karl Konrad August) Thies: Confirmation: April 09, 1854, Northfield, Cook, IL 10 Occupation: farmer11 Children of Charles Thies and Elizabeth are: 9 i. Conrad3 Thies, born 186312. 10 ii. Mary Thies, born 186612. 11 iii. Emma Thies, born 186812. 12 iv. Louisa Thies, born 186912. 13 v. Fritz Thies, born 1871 in Illinois13. 14 vi. William Thies, born 1875 in Illinois13. 15 vii. Henry Thies, born 1877 in Illinois13. 16 viii. Sarah Thies, born 1879 in Illinois13. 3. Sophia Alvine Friedericke2 Thies (Johann Conrad1) was born December 25, 1845 in Apelern, Germany14,15,16. She married (1) Johann Otto Engelking March 12, 1865 in Northfield, Cook, IL17. He was born January 06, 1836 in Sehnensburg, Germany (place name from church record of marriage)18,19, and died November 20, 1869 in Palatine, Cook, IL20. She married (2) Charles Danielsen Aft. 1970. He was born Abt. 1831 in Prussia21. More About Sophia Alvine Friedericke Thies: Confirmation: 1860, Northfield, Cook, IL 22 More About Johann Otto Engelking: Burial: Immanuel Evangelical Lutheran Church, Palatine, Cook, IL23 Military service: September 04, 1861, Enlisted in Civil War, Co. D, 8th Illinois Cavalry, residence Elk Grove Village, mustered out 28 Sep. 186423 More About Charles Danielsen: Occupation: cabinet maker24 Children of Fredericke Thies and Otto Engelking are: 17 i. Maria Friederike3 Engelking, born July 30, 1866 in Elk Grove Village, Cook, IL25; died July 31, 1866. + 18 ii. Caroline Naomi Marie Engelking, born April 17, 1868 in Arlington Heights, Cook, IL. 19 iii. Heinrich Otto Engelking, born February 08, 1869 in Palatine, Cook, IL25. More About Heinrich Otto Engelking: Baptism: February 26, 1869, Immanuel Evangelical Lutheran Church, Palatine, Cook, IL. sponsors: Conrad Theis and Heinrich Engelking25 Children of Fredericke Thies and Charles Danielsen are: 20 i. Dorothy3 Danielsen, born 187226. 21 ii. Maria S. Danielsen, born 187526. 22 iii. Ernestine M. Danielsen, born 187726. 23 iv. Frank F.W. Danielsen, born 187926. 6. Karl Frederick2 Thies (Johann Conrad1) was born May 15, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois27. He married Mary Pfingsten November 20, 1878 in St. Peter's Church at Northfield, Cook County, IL28,29. She was born 1858 in Illinois30. More About Karl Frederick Thies: Confirmation: 1867, Northfield, Cook, IL 31 Child of Frederick Thies and Mary Pfingsten is: 24 i. William3 Thies, born 188032. Generation No. 3 18. Caroline Naomi Marie3 Engelking (Sophia Alvine Friedericke2 Thies, Johann Conrad1) was born April 17, 1868 in Arlington Heights, Cook, IL33. She married John George Vehe November 15, 1887 in Palatine, Cook, Illinois34, son of John Vehe and Anna Pushek. He was born December 28, 1865 in Lake Zurich, Lake, Illinois35, and died July 09, 1938 in Swedish Covenant Hospital, Chicago, Cook, IL35. More About Caroline Naomi Marie Engelking: Baptism: May 10, 1868, St. Peter Lutheran Church, Arlington Heights, IL, sponsors: Conrad Theis and Heinrich Senne36 More About John George Vehe: Occupation: bookkeeper: abstracts, titles, and insurance37 Residence: 1938, 6935 Greenview, Chicago37 Children of Caroline Engelking and John Vehe are: 25 i. Karl Leroy4 Vehe, born October 19, 1888 in Palatine, Cook, Illinois38. He married Emily Alberta Mielke; born 1884; died 1984. Notes for Karl Leroy Vehe: Birth record has name as Leroy Vehe. 26 ii. Walter Charles Vehe, born August 17, 1890 in Palatine, Cook, Illinois39; died November 07, 1920 in Ridge Road, Park Ridge, Cook, Illinois39. More About Walter Charles Vehe: Burial: November 10, 1920, Palatine, Cook, Illinois39 Cause of Death: pulmonary tuberculosis Occupation: Tariff Clerk, Chicago Northwestern Railway39 Endnotes 1. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 2. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 3. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com. 4. Passenger and Immigration Lists: New York, 1820-1850: genealogy.com. 5. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 6. 1860 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 7. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 97, Confirmations 1862, FHL #1571618. 8. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 9. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 10. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 11. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Iowa, Bremer County, Jefferson Township. 12. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 13. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Iowa, Bremer County, Jefferson Township. 14. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township, states born in Illinois. 15. 1860 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township, states born in HesseKassel. 16. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 95, confirmations 1860, FHL #1571618. 17. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 133, FHL #1571618. 18. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 19. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 20. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 21. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Palatine. 22. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 95, FHL #1571618. 23. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 24. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Palatine. 25. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 26. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Palatine. 27. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 28. Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, www.cyberdrive.com. 29. Illinois Marriage License, no. 38182. 30. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield. 31. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 32. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield. 33. St. Peter Lutheran Church baptism records, Arlington Heights, Cook, IL, p. 16, no. 11. 34. State of Illinois, Cook County, Marriage certificate. 35. Illinois Department of Public Health, Division of Vital Statistics, Death Certificate. 36. St. Peter Lutheran Church baptism records. 37. Illinois Department of Public Health, Division of Vital Statistics, Death Certificate. 38. Illinois State Board of Health, Birth Record, Cook County, Illinois. 39. Illinois Department of Public Health, Division of Vital Statistics, Death Certificate. Descendants of Johann Conrad Thies Generation No. 1 1. Johann Conrad1 Thies was born August 27, 1800 in Apelern, Germany1,2, and died January 14, 1871 in Northfield, Cook, IL2. He married (1) Maria Elisabeth Foehr (Boehr?) October 03, 18302. She was born in Schachten, Germany2, and died Bef. 1846 in Germany. He married (2) Hanne Friederike Charlotte Schermer October 15, 1843 in Apelern, Germany2. She was born February 16, 1813 in Altenhagen, Germany3. More About Johann Conrad Thies: Immigration: July 01, 1846, ship Johann Dethard from Bremen to New York4 Occupation: farmer5 Property: 1860, $3,000 real estate and $600 personal property6 Children of Johann Thies and Maria (Boehr?) are: + 2 i. Charles (Karl Konrad August)2 Thies, born March 30, 1841 in Apelern, Germany. + 3 ii. Sophia Alvine Friedericke Thies, born December 25, 1845 in Apelern, Germany. Children of Johann Thies and Hanne Schermer are: 4 i. Sophia Caroline Doris2 Thies, born September 29, 1848 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois7. She married Hermann Hine November 24, 1867 in Northfield, Cook, IL8. More About Sophia Caroline Doris Thies: Baptism: October 22, 1848, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Confirmation: May 11, 1862, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 5 ii. Maria Anna Thies, born November 27, 1850 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois8. More About Maria Anna Thies: Baptism: December 24, 1850, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Confirmation: 1864, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 + 6 iii. Karl Frederick Thies, born May 15, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois. 7 iv. Louise Justine Doris Thies, born May 16, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, IL8; died September 14, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, IL8. 8 v. Sophia Thies, born September 16, 1857 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois8. More About Sophia Thies: Baptism: November 15, 1857, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Confirmation: 1872, Northfield, Cook, IL 8 Generation No. 2 2. Charles (Karl Konrad August)2 Thies (Johann Conrad1) was born March 30, 1841 in Apelern, Germany8. He married Elizabeth9. She was born 1842 in Prussia9. More About Charles (Karl Konrad August) Thies: Confirmation: April 09, 1854, Northfield, Cook, IL 10 Occupation: farmer11 Children of Charles Thies and Elizabeth are: 9 i. Conrad3 Thies, born 186312. 10 ii. Mary Thies, born 186612. 11 iii. Emma Thies, born 186812. 12 iv. Louisa Thies, born 186912. 13 v. Fritz Thies, born 1871 in Illinois13. 14 vi. William Thies, born 1875 in Illinois13. 15 vii. Henry Thies, born 1877 in Illinois13. 16 viii. Sarah Thies, born 1879 in Illinois13. 3. Sophia Alvine Friedericke2 Thies (Johann Conrad1) was born December 25, 1845 in Apelern, Germany14,15,16. She married (1) Charles Danielsen. He was born Abt. 1831 in Prussia17. She married (2) Johann Otto Engelking March 12, 1865 in Northfield, Cook, IL18. He was born January 06, 1836 in Sehnensburg, Germany (place name from church record of marriage)19,20, and died November 20, 1869 in Palatine, Cook, IL21. More About Sophia Alvine Friedericke Thies: Confirmation: 1860, Northfield, Cook, IL 22 More About Charles Danielsen: Occupation: cabinet maker23 More About Johann Otto Engelking: Burial: Immanuel Evangelical Lutheran Church, Palatine, Cook, IL24 Military service: September 04, 1861, Enlisted in Civil War, Co. D, 8th Illinois Cavalry, residence Elk Grove Village, mustered out 28 Sep. 186424 Children of Sophia Thies and Charles Danielsen are: 17 i. Dorothy3 Danielsen, born 187225. 18 ii. Maria S. Danielsen, born 187525. 19 iii. Ernestine M. Danielsen, born 187725. 20 iv. Frank F.W. Danielsen, born 187925. Children of Sophia Thies and Johann Engelking are: 21 i. Maria Friederike3 Engelking, born July 30, 1866 in Elk Grove Village, Cook, IL26; died July 31, 1866. + 22 ii. Caroline Naomi Marie Engelking, born April 17, 1868 in Arlington Heights, Cook, IL. 23 iii. Heinrich Otto Engelking, born February 08, 1869 in Palatine, Cook, IL26. More About Heinrich Otto Engelking: Baptism: February 26, 1869, Immanuel Evangelical Lutheran Church, Palatine, Cook, IL. sponsors: Conrad Theis and Heinrich Engelking26 6. Karl Frederick2 Thies (Johann Conrad1) was born May 15, 1853 in Northfield, Cook, Illinois27. He married Mary Pfingsten November 20, 1878 in St. Peter's Church at Northfield, Cook County, IL28,29. She was born 1858 in Illinois30. More About Karl Frederick Thies: Confirmation: 1867, Northfield, Cook, IL 31 Child of Karl Thies and Mary Pfingsten is: 24 i. William3 Thies, born 188032. Generation No. 3 22. Caroline Naomi Marie3 Engelking (Sophia Alvine Friedericke2 Thies, Johann Conrad1) was born April 17, 1868 in Arlington Heights, Cook, IL33. She married John George Vehe November 15, 1887 in Palatine, Cook, Illinois34, son of John Vehe and Anna Pushek. He was born December 28, 1865 in Lake Zurich, Lake, Illinois35, and died July 09, 1938 in Swedish Covenant Hospital, Chicago, Cook, IL35. More About Caroline Naomi Marie Engelking: Baptism: May 10, 1868, St. Peter Lutheran Church, Arlington Heights, IL, sponsors: Conrad Theis and Heinrich Senne36 More About John George Vehe: Cause of Death: cerebral apoplexy Occupation: bookkeeper: abstracts, titles, and insurance37 Residence: 1938, 6935 Greenview, Chicago37 Children of Caroline Engelking and John Vehe are: 25 i. Karl Leroy4 Vehe, born October 19, 1888 in Palatine, Cook, Illinois38. He married Emily Alberta Mielke; born 1884; died 1984. Notes for Karl Leroy Vehe: Birth record has name as Leroy Vehe. 26 ii. Walter Charles Vehe, born August 17, 1890 in Palatine, Cook, Illinois39; died November 07, 1920 in Ridge Road, Park Ridge, Cook, Illinois39. More About Walter Charles Vehe: Burial: November 10, 1920, Palatine, Cook, Illinois39 Cause of Death: pulmonary tuberculosis Occupation: Tariff Clerk, Chicago Northwestern Railway39 Endnotes 1. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 2. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 3. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com. 4. Passenger and Immigration Lists: New York, 1820-1850: genealogy.com. 5. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 6. 1860 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 7. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 97, Confirmations 1862, FHL #1571618. 8. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 9. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 10. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 11. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Iowa, Bremer County, Jefferson Township. 12. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township. 13. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Iowa, Bremer County, Jefferson Township. 14. 1870 U.S. federal census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township, states born in Illinois. 15. 1860 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield Township, states born in HesseKassel. 16. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 95, confirmations 1860, FHL #1571618. 17. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Palatine. 18. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 133, FHL #1571618. 19. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 20. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 21. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 22. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL, p. 95, FHL #1571618. 23. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Palatine. 24. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 25. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Palatine. 26. Karen Rowe: www.karensgen.com/buch/families/c-f/engelkingthies.php. 27. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 28. Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, www.cyberdrive.com. 29. Illinois Marriage License, no. 38182. 30. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield. 31. Church Records: St. Peter's German Evangelical Lutheran, Northfield, Cook, IL. 32. 1880 U.S. Federal Census, Illinois, Cook County, Northfield. 33. St. Peter Lutheran Church baptism records, Arlington Heights, Cook, IL, p. 16, no. 11. 34. State of Illinois, Cook County, Marriage certificate. 35. Illinois Department of Public Health, Division of Vital Statistics, Death Certificate. 36. St. Peter Lutheran Church baptism records. 37. Illinois Department of Public Health, Division of Vital Statistics, Death Certificate. 38. Illinois State Board of Health, Birth Record, Cook County, Illinois. 39. Illinois Department of Public Health, Division of Vital Statistics, Death Certificate.