i think that it wold be a good thing to hold up a bit in this MICHIGAN connection..... yes, it could be that a baptism was years after a birth... but the logic of a michigan birth after the family was already IN illinois is not likely... possible but not likely for our schaumburgers... let some checking occur....it is in the works.... we are aware, right, that these surnames and given names are COMMON....common inour OWN township and surrounding townships.... with such a disparity in birth/baptism, i think we should not assume.... as i said... a check and report is in progress.... On 1/15/06, Larry Nerge <lnerge1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > I have a few corrections. I looked again at the church records and the > baptism record (page 51, book 1, item 23) definitely shows her birth as Oct > 27, 1856 in Michigan, even though her baptism date was oct 24, 1858. Again, > her confimation record (page 203, book 1, item 4 for girls) indicates a > birth date of Oct 27, 1856. Using the Michigan link, I found a 1860 Census > entry in Centreville, Leelanau, MI for the Otto & Sophia Thies family. > Larry Nerge > > Descendants of Otto Thies > > > > 1 Otto Thies b: Abt. 1830 in Hannover, Germany Occupation: Farmer & Miller > d: Unknown > > . +Sophia Unknown aka: Sophia Unknown Thies b: Abt. 1831 in Germany m: Abt. > 1851 d: Unknown > > ........ 2 Henry Thies b: Abt. 1852 in IL d: Unknown > > ........ 2 William Thies b: Abt. 1854 in IL d: Unknown > > ........ 2 Sophia Wilhelmine Karoline Thies aka: Sophie Thies Pfingsten b: > Oct 27, 1856 in MI Christening: Oct 24, 1858 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, > Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: Mar 24, 1872 St. Peter's Lutheran > Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL d: Apr 05, 1947 in Palatine, Cook Co., IL @ > Catherine Memorial Hospital of old age, Cert# 0015485 Burial: Apr 08, 1947 > St. Peter's Lutheran Cemetery, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > > ............ +Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Pfingsten aka: William Pfingsten b: > Oct 31, 1861 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Christening: Nov 15, 1861 St. > Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: Apr 09, 1876 > St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL m: Apr 02, 1880 in St. > Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Occupation: farmer d: Oct > 18, 1919 in Bartlett, Cook Co., IL of heart stroke Burial: Oct 22, 1919 St. > Peters Lutheran Cemetry, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > > .................. 3 Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Christoph Pfingsten aka: > Fred W. Pfingsten b: Aug 04, 1880 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Christening: > Aug 15, 1880 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > Occupation: Farmer d: Nov 28, 1963 in Richfield, McHenry Co., IL @ son > Emil's home of coronary thrombosis Burial: Dec 01, 1963 St. Peters Lutheran > Cemetry, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > > ...................... +Anna Sophie Wilhelmine Caroline Emma Rohlwing aka: > Emma Rohlwing Pfingsten b: Mar 06, 1882 in Elk Grove Village, Cook Co., IL > Christening: Apr 02, 1882 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., > IL Confirmation: Apr 07, 1895 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook > Co., IL m: Sep 03, 1903 in St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook > Co., IL d: Mar 24, 1967 in Elgin, Kane Co., IL @ Simpson Nursing House of > age Burial: Mar 28, 1967 St. Peter's Lutheran Cemetery, Schaumburg, Cook > Co., IL > > .................. 3 Sophie Marie Engel Wilhelmine Mathilde Pfingsten aka: > Mathilde "Tillie" Pfingsten Wilkening Manning b: Mar 06, 1882 in Schaumburg, > Cook Co., IL Christening: Mar 12, 1882 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, > Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: Apr 07, 1895 St. Peter's Lutheran > Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Occupation: Fur finisher of ladies fur > coats d: May 15, 1950 in Chicago, Cook Co., IL @ home Burial: May 18, 1950 > Elm Lawn Cemetery, Elmhurst, DuPage Co., IL > > ...................... +Conrad Friedrich Wilhelm Wilkening aka: William Carl > Wilkening b: Jan 03, 1882 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Christening: Jan 29, > 1882 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: Mar > 29, 1896 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL m: Jun 08, > 1902 in St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Occupation: > Operated water-powered grist mill & electric light plant at Cherry Valley, > IL d: Jun 16, 1929 in Chicago, Cook Co., IL @ Norwgian-American Hospital, > Cert# 6018706 Burial: Jun 20, 1929 Elm Lawn Cemetery, Elmhurst, DuPage Co., > IL > > .................. *2nd Husband of Sophie Marie Engel Wilhelmine Mathilde > Pfingsten: > > ...................... +Harry Manning b: Jul 01, 1880 in Travoli, IL m: Jan > 16, 1937 in Chicago, Cook Co., IL d: Oct 29, 1980 in Mountain Home, AR @ > Good Samaitan Village Burial: Oct 31, 1980 Baxter Memorial Gardens, Mountain > Home, AR > > .................. 3 Alwine Sophi Caroline Louise Christine Pfingsten aka: > Alvina Pfingsten Wilkening b: Sep 22, 1883 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > Christening: Oct 07, 1883 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., > IL Confirmation: Apr 11, 1897 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook > Co., IL Occupation: Owned ladies hat shop in Chicago, IL d: Aug 13, 1939 in > Logansport, Cass Co., IN @ St. Joseph Hospital Burial: Aug 15, 1939 Elm Lawn > Cemetery, Elmhurst, DuPage Co., IL > > ...................... +August Louis Hermann Wilkening aka: Herman Louis > Wilkening b: Oct 22, 1883 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Christening: Nov 11, > 1883 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: Apr > 11, 1897 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL m: Apr 03, > 1904 in St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL d: Dec 14, > 1939 in Elgin, Kane Co., IL @ Elgin State Hospital, Cert# 0000875 Burial: > Dec 16, 1939 Bluff City Cemetery, Elgin, Kane Co., IL > > .................. 3 Sophia Wilhelmine Karoline Emma Pfingsten aka: Emma > Pfingsten Fenz Gieseke b: Dec 22, 1885 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > Christening: Jan 16, 1886 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., > IL Confirmation: Mar 26, 1899 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook > Co., IL d: Jul 19, 1961 in Arlington Heights, Cook Co., IL @ NW Community > Hospital Burial: Jul 22, 1961 Elm Lawn Cemetery, Elmhurst, DuPage Co., IL > > ...................... +Johann Wilhelm Hermann Fenz aka: Herman W. Fenz b: > Jan 31, 1884 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Christening: Feb 02, 1884 St. > Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: Apr 03, 1898 > St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL m: Apr 22, 1906 in St. > Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Occupation: Retail Dealer > in Grocery & Day Goods d: Jan 12, 1944 in Chicago, Cook Co., IL, Cert# > 0001363 Burial: Jan 15, 1944 Elm Lawn Cemetery, Elmhurst, DuPage Co., IL > > .................. *2nd Husband of Sophia Wilhelmine Karoline Emma > Pfingsten: > > ...................... +Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Gieseke aka: Fred William > Gieseke, Sr. b: Mar 16, 1883 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Christening: Apr > 01, 1883 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL Confirmation: > Mar 29, 1896 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL m: Jul > 08, 1945 in Arlington Heights, Cook Co., IL d: Nov 04, 1947 in Arlington > Heights, Cook Co., IL @ home Burial: Nov 08, 1947 Ridgewood Cemetery, Des > Plaines, Cook Co., IL > > .................. 3 Anna Louisa Maria Martha Pfingsten aka: Maria Pfingsten > b: Mar 07, 1888 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL @ home Christening: Apr 01, 1888 > St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL d: Jun 04, 1888 in > Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL of pneumonia @ 9 AM Burial: Jun 06, 1888 St. > Peter's Lutheran Cemetery, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > > .................. 3 Heinrich Wilhelm August Emil Pfingsten aka: Emil > Pfingsten b: Feb 27, 1889 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL @ home Christening: > Mar 31, 1889 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL d: Apr > 09, 1889 in Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL of pneumonia Burial: Apr 12, 1889 St. > Peter's Lutheran Cemetery, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL > > ........ 2 Johan Hermann Thies b: Apr 24, 1859 in MI Christening: Aug 05, > 1860 St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL d: Unknown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen S. Rowe" <karen@karensgen.com> > To: <IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:25 PM > Subject: [ILckSCH] Thies - Pfingsten in Schaumburg, IL > > > > >From the St. Peter Schaumburg, IL church records Sophia Wilhelmine > > Karoline Thies was born 24 OCT 1858, baptised 27 OCT 1858, daughter of > > Otto and Sophia Thies... I have that she was born at Putten Hill, DuPage > > Co., IL... sponsors were Wilhelmine Bottermann and Karoline Wenthe. (My > > sources noted for this family were Larry Nerge, Family Tree Maker CD > > V-13, Tree 1709 T. Schumacher, researcher J. Malwitz and St. Peter > > Schaumburg, IL baptism records.) I am missing page 51 of the St. Peter > > baptisms to verify, Larry Nerge may have it. > > > > Sometimes names were noted differently in different sources ( Friedrich > > Otto Thies? or Maria [Mary] Sophia Pollworth?). Maybe LaVonne could > > give us her source? I am grateful for any corrections. > > > > Karen Rowe > > > > .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > >karen > > >where did you get the statement regarding her parents? > > >specifically > > > > > >On 1/15/06, LaVonne Presley <l.prestley@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Sophia Thies who married William Pfingsten was the daughter of Fredrick > and > > >>Mary (Pollworth) Thies. Her parents were NOT Otto and Sophia. > > >>LaVonne Thies Presley > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Karen S. Rowe" <karen@karensgen.com> > > >>To: <IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> > > >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:24 PM > > >>Subject: [ILckSCH] Thies - Pfingsten in Schaumburg, IL > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>There is a Sophia Wilhelmine Caroline Thies (27 OCT 1858 - 05 APR 1947) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>who married 02 ARP 1880 St. Peter Lutheran, Schaumburg, IL to Wilhelm > > >>Pfingsten (1861-1919). 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