Jill thanks for the added information. Did you have any place of origin for the husbands of your Biermanns or your Ludwig Biermann 1811-1865? Heinrich Schuette 06 JUN 1834 - 23 MAY 1921 (Maria Biermann and sister Emma Biermann) Gottlieb Biesterfeld 1837 - 1933 (Wilhelmine Biermann) Karen Rowe