to be clear... karen, tho she has a listing, did not record the books of st john but transcribed a typewriter written document that has no authorship to a computerized and sortable document. The original typed version, I have seen, is at the church. the listing itself was created by people unknown in a typed version. I have done a quick reference some time ago and there were instances where the typed document did not match entirely with the books and vs.... so, if you are finding inconsistencies, please consider reviewing the st john rodenburg records at the STDL where there is a full set of printed copies of the books... A quick reference of the record types is contained in each of the several books. I wish we had the chance to talk with the creators of the first typed document to know what they did in the process of creating it... there is no doubt in my mind that it was a multi step process... first an english transcribe to some Cards (perhaps) and then alphabetized and they typed from that... (as the typed sheet predated computers and tabulation equipment...) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jörg Schnadt<mailto:joerg.schnadt@online.de> To: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: AW: [ILckSCH] Schnadt Dear Valentine, Larry and List, yes, Henry Schnadt with his wife Engel Marie are buried on St. Johns cemetery. My question referred to a gravestone in row # 9, which only bears the name "Schnadt". In the meantime I have noticed by sorting the monument-list of Elaine Lorinczi that the neighboring graves are from of 1881 (EXCEL-file available). Therefore I suspect that the grave "Schnadt" is also from that time. Karen Rowe recorded the church books of St.John. After this a son of Henry Schnadt, Carl Heinrich Konrad, aka: Charles, died on Sep 17,1881. I believe that he was buried there. In case I will ever come again to Schaumburg,IL, I'll give you a note. Thank you for your help. Best wishes, Joerg Schnadt -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: .... valentine53179 [mailto:valentine53179@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Januar 2006 19:08 An: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> Betreff: Re: [ILckSCH] schnadt to look thru the many pages of st john would take a month... the records are very hard to read... have you looked at the death version listing that karen has... she has deaths? I think? but, the listing is not a direct read from the books... the original source of karens listing which were restatements, is not known. I did find the originals in my travels but there was no indicator as to the original author or what was used in its compilation... but YOU WERE IN SCHAUMBURG? and you did not let the list know!!!!! aw, for sure, when one travels far, they should let the list know... one never knows when arrangements can be made to make the search EASIER... perhaps NEXT TIME! this for ANYONE in the schaumburg List family! ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== _____________________________ To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg> . Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com> or -D If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi<http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi> We are a list2 list.... SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com<mailto:fpsah60194@hotmail.com> ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx>
valentine53179 What exactly would you like to ask those who original transcribers, that would reassure you the typed documents are accurate and/or genuine? Pastor St. John Ev. Lutheran ....valentine53179 wrote: > to be clear... karen, tho she has a listing, did not record the books > of st john but transcribed a typewriter written document that has no > authorship to a computerized and sortable document. The original > typed version, I have seen, is at the church. > > the listing itself was created by people unknown in a typed version. > > I have done a quick reference some time ago and there were instances > where the typed document did not match entirely with the books and > vs.... so, if you are finding inconsistencies, please consider > reviewing the st john rodenburg records at the STDL where there is a > full set of printed copies of the books... A quick reference of the > record types is contained in each of the several books. > > I wish we had the chance to talk with the creators of the first typed > document to know what they did in the process of creating it... there > is no doubt in my mind that it was a multi step process... first an > english transcribe to some Cards (perhaps) and then alphabetized and > they typed from that... (as the typed sheet predated computers and > tabulation equipment...)
Thanks for the question about the accuracy / inconsistencies of the transcribed church registers of St. John. I found the reaction to my question about the cemetery monument partly a little strange because it regarded more formal aspects than contents. Actually I did not want to react any more, because my English is too bad to recognize the finenesses of the language nuances. For me it was clear that the books got transcribed. Which people have done this and in which creative process, is uninteresting for me as long as the results are correct. Karen has pointed to the way of transcription in her 1997 document. The transcribed church registers have to be used with some caution. OK! Years ago I had already asked Karen for missing years after foundation of the church. Anyway, every earnest family researcher permanently tries to verify his results for to make it more certain. However, I must underline once again - as Valentine did -, how valuably the transcription is, because only by that, the information about our forefathers became accessible to the researchers all over the world. Historical documents lose its value if they are shut off from the public. The formal aspect, it could contain inaccuracies, is secondary. This also applies to the work of Elaine Lorinczi. Her effort, to transcribe the inscriptions and to publish it, is very important. Whether she has done this in cooperation with the church is insignificant at first. At doubts one must check it and, if possible, search more deeply onto the sources. I understood the note of Valentine as a reference to the not original sources. If the inaccuracy of the transcribed church register entries would have been so fundamentally that one must doubt the data, it would not help to talk with the creators. I would have expected that history-conscious people from Schaumburg would have revised the data with the original church registers and would have published it. Furthermore, the example with the church St. John (its Cook land) also shows that one may not confine himself to only one County with the research. The church members also lived in Du Page County (e.g. Ontarioville). Joerg Schnadt Potsdam, Germany -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:46:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [ILckSCH] st john rodenburg From: MjB To: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com valentine53179 What exactly would you like to ask those who original transcribers, that would reassure you the typed documents are accurate and/or genuine? Pastor St. John Ev. Lutheran ....valentine53179 wrote: > to be clear... karen, tho she has a listing, did not record the books > of st john but transcribed a typewriter written document that has no > authorship to a computerized and sortable document. The original > typed version, I have seen, is at the church. > > the listing itself was created by people unknown in a typed version. > > I have done a quick reference some time ago and there were instances > where the typed document did not match entirely with the books and > vs.... so, if you are finding inconsistencies, please consider > reviewing the st john rodenburg records at the STDL where there is a > full set of printed copies of the books... A quick reference of the > record types is contained in each of the several books. > > I wish we had the chance to talk with the creators of the first typed > document to know what they did in the process of creating it... there > is no doubt in my mind that it was a multi step process... first an > english transcribe to some Cards (perhaps) and then alphabetized and > they typed from that... (as the typed sheet predated computers and > tabulation equipment...) ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== _____________________________ To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx