From the St. Peter Schaumburg, IL church records Sophia Wilhelmine Karoline Thies was born 24 OCT 1858, baptised 27 OCT 1858, daughter of Otto and Sophia Thies... I have that she was born at Putten Hill, DuPage Co., IL... sponsors were Wilhelmine Bottermann and Karoline Wenthe. (My sources noted for this family were Larry Nerge, Family Tree Maker CD V-13, Tree 1709 T. Schumacher, researcher J. Malwitz and St. Peter Schaumburg, IL baptism records.) I am missing page 51 of the St. Peter baptisms to verify, Larry Nerge may have it. Sometimes names were noted differently in different sources ( Friedrich Otto Thies? or Maria [Mary] Sophia Pollworth?). Maybe LaVonne could give us her source? I am grateful for any corrections. Karen Rowe .... valentine53179 wrote: >karen >where did you get the statement regarding her parents? >specifically > >On 1/15/06, LaVonne Presley <l.prestley@comcast.net> wrote: > > >>Sophia Thies who married William Pfingsten was the daughter of Fredrick and >>Mary (Pollworth) Thies. Her parents were NOT Otto and Sophia. >>LaVonne Thies Presley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Karen S. Rowe" <karen@karensgen.com> >>To: <IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:24 PM >>Subject: [ILckSCH] Thies - Pfingsten in Schaumburg, IL >> >> >> >> >>>There is a Sophia Wilhelmine Caroline Thies (27 OCT 1858 - 05 APR 1947) >>> >>> >>who married 02 ARP 1880 St. Peter Lutheran, Schaumburg, IL to Wilhelm >>Pfingsten (1861-1919). Her parents were Otto and Sophia Thies. >> >> >>>Who are Otto and Sophia Thies? >>> >>>Karen Rowe >>>

karen where did you get the statement regarding her parents? specifically On 1/15/06, LaVonne Presley <l.prestley@comcast.net> wrote: > Sophia Thies who married William Pfingsten was the daughter of Fredrick and > Mary (Pollworth) Thies. Her parents were NOT Otto and Sophia. > LaVonne Thies Presley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen S. Rowe" <karen@karensgen.com> > To: <IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:24 PM > Subject: [ILckSCH] Thies - Pfingsten in Schaumburg, IL > > > > There is a Sophia Wilhelmine Caroline Thies (27 OCT 1858 - 05 APR 1947) > who married 02 ARP 1880 St. Peter Lutheran, Schaumburg, IL to Wilhelm > Pfingsten (1861-1919). Her parents were Otto and Sophia Thies. > > > > Who are Otto and Sophia Thies? > > > > Karen Rowe > > > > > > ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== > > _____________________________ > > To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com > > To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in > il-cook-schaumburg > > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . > > Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D > > If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... > > SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== > _____________________________ > To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com > To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . > Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D > If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... > SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Sophia Thies who married William Pfingsten was the daughter of Fredrick and Mary (Pollworth) Thies. Her parents were NOT Otto and Sophia. LaVonne Thies Presley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen S. Rowe" <karen@karensgen.com> To: <IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: [ILckSCH] Thies - Pfingsten in Schaumburg, IL > There is a Sophia Wilhelmine Caroline Thies (27 OCT 1858 - 05 APR 1947) who married 02 ARP 1880 St. Peter Lutheran, Schaumburg, IL to Wilhelm Pfingsten (1861-1919). Her parents were Otto and Sophia Thies. > > Who are Otto and Sophia Thies? > > Karen Rowe > > > ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== > _____________________________ > To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com > To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . > Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D > If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... > SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Am looking for information about these families in Schaumburg, IL: Johann JOHN Engelking born 23 JAN 1844 in Germany died 09 JUL 1919 at Diggins, Webster Co., MO. He married 29 MAY 1869 at St. Peter Lutheran, Schaumburg, IL to Engel WILHELMINE Charlotte Katz (born 04 DEC 1845 in IL, died 1918) daughter of Johann Friedrich Christian Katze and Charlotte Nerge. In the book Schaumburger Auswanderer #453 there is an entry for: Engelking, Johann Heinrich Gottlieb, Apelern Nr. 27, heir. 9.6.1844, ohne Ehefrau Engel Sophia Dorothea geb. Wille u. deren 1843 geb. Tochter, die er nachholen will, nach Amerika, 1844 (Kb. Rodenberg Seelenliste S. 331.). This JHG Engelking of Apelern #27 was the son of Friedrich Philipp Engelking (born 11 JAN 1815 at Apelern #27 who died 28 DEC 1882 at Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL... wife unknown). Are both of these Engelkings born 1844 the same person? Karen Rowe -- Karen S. Rowe 122 West Saunders Av. Lincoln, Ne 68521 karen@karensgen.com or ksrowe@rerowe.com Genealogy Website: KarensGen.Com

remember all, that you might have misspellings EVEN FROM OFFICIAL documents on this name....and that YES some of these WERE spelled correctly as shown so we cannot just automatically SWITCH the spellings.... sure does make scouting harder, doesnt it?

There is a Friedrich WILHELM Thies (parents unknown) born 27 SEP 1868 died 18 OCT 1927, buried at St. Paul Lutheran, Readlyn, Bremer Co., IA. His wife was Wilhelmine Charlotte MARIA Engelking married 1896 at Readlyn, IA. She was born 06 JAN 1872 at Schaumburg, Cook Co., IL daughter of John Engelking and Wilhelmine Katz that later moved to Diggins, Webster Co., MO. Maria Engelking Thies died 14 OCT 1947 at Readlyn, IA. Is he also from Schaumburg, IL? Karen Rowe

There is a Sophia Wilhelmine Caroline Thies (27 OCT 1858 - 05 APR 1947) who married 02 ARP 1880 St. Peter Lutheran, Schaumburg, IL to Wilhelm Pfingsten (1861-1919). Her parents were Otto and Sophia Thies. Who are Otto and Sophia Thies? Karen Rowe

----- Original Message ----- From: ChristieR57@aol.com<mailto:ChristieR57@aol.com> To: IL-COOK-ELKGROVE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-ELKGROVE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: [ILckEG] Frederick Thies in 1860 Elk Grove Township includes two families headed by a Frederick Thies born in Hanover: Frederick Thies, age 36, farmer Louisa Thies, 33 Frederick Thies, 9 Hermann Thies 6/12 (born IL) Frederick Thies, 24, farmer Christina Thies, 23 Louisa Thies, 1 (born IL) Mary Thies, 10 (born Hanover) There is also a 7-year-old Frederick Thies in Northfield Township, in the family of Conrad Thies. Has anyone sorted out the probable relationships among these Thieses? (There may well be more--I just happened upon them while going through all of the Elk Grove listings looking for Johann Otto Engelking, whom I may have found in Wheeling Township listed as John Englekind, 24-year-old farmer from Hanover living in the household of a physician.) Christie Robinson ==== IL-COOK-ELKGROVE Mailing List ==== To post: IL-COOK-elkGROVE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-elkGROVE-L@rootsweb.com> To Search: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl<http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> AND THEN you must enter in il-cook-elkGROVE ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-elkGROVE<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-elkGROVE> Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-elkGROVE-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IL-COOK-elkGROVE-L-request@rootsweb.com> or -D If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, or fpsah60194@hotmail.com<mailto:fpsah60194@hotmail.com> go here....http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-schaumburg fpsah60194@hotmail.com<mailto:fpsah60194@hotmail.com> ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx>

til 02 10 http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16306187<http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16306187> Lorraine Louise Niemeyer of Arlington Heights The funeral service for Lorraine Louise Niemeyer (nee Bublitz), 87, will be held at 11 a.m. Monday, at Faith Lutheran Church, 431 South Arlington Heights Road, Arlington Heights, where she will lie in state from 10 a.m. until the time of service. Interment will be in Memory Gardens Cemetery, Arlington Heights. Visitation will be from 5 to 7 p.m. today, at The Lutheran Home, 800 West Oakton Street, Arlington Heights. Born Sept. 21, 1918, in Edgerton, Wis., she died Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2006, at Rush University Medical Center, Chicago. She was the wife of the late Richard; mother of John (Roseann) and Dan (Rose) Niemeyer; grandmother of Melissa, John (Melissa), Mark and Eric; great-grandmother of J.J., Deanna, Trenton and Zachary; daughter of the late Frank and Minnie Bublitz; and sister of the late Franklin and Edward Bublitz. In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made to the Faith Lutheran Church. Arrangements are being m! ade by Meadows Funeral Home, Rolling Meadows, 847-253-0224. Published in the Chicago Suburban Daily Herald from 1/14/2006 - 1/15/2006

til 02-09 http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16300653<http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16300653> Jerald P. Busse Services for Jerald P. Busse, 53, will be held at 11 a.m. Monday, at St. Paul Lutheran Church, 100 S. School St., Mount Prospect. Burial will be at St. Paul Lutheran Church Cemetery in Mount Prospect. Visitation will be from 3 to 8 p.m. today, at Friedrichs Funeral Home, 320 W. Central Road (at Northwest Highway), Mount Prospect, and from 10 a.m. until the time of services, Monday, at the church. Born Nov. 21, 1952, he passed away at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. Jerry was a loving and devoted husband and father who always placed the needs of others above his own. He was an avid golfer, creative gardener and a "die-hard" White Sox fan. He was a partner in the accounting firm of Martin & Martin C.P.A., Ltd. of Park Ridge and had a close relationship with his business associates, clients and friends. He was the beloved husband of Olga Pierce-Busse, married Oct. 23, 2005, in Chicago; loving father of Daniel and David; dear son of Harold and Ca! rol Busse; special brother of Linda (Paul) Seils; uncle of Christian (Laura) Seils, the late Melani Seils, Jeremy (Sarah) Seils and Heather Seils; great-uncle of Summer and Hanna Seils. He was also the Godfather of Christian, Heather and Hanna. Memorials may be given to the St. Nicolai Church in Bakede, Germany, where Jerry and Olga recently celebrated their wedding ceremony confirmation or to St. Paul Lutheran Church, Mount Prospect. For information, 847-255-7800 or www.FriedrichsFH.com<http://www.friedrichsfh.com/>. Published in the Chicago Suburban Daily Herald from 1/13/2006 - 1/15/2006

until 02 10 06 http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16300647 Steven Roy Bahn a lifelong resident of Palatine A memorial visitation for Steven Roy Bahn will be from 6 p.m. until the time of the memorial services at 7 p.m. today, at Willow Creek Community Chapel, 67 E. Algonquin Road, South Barrington. Interment will be private. Born July 5, 1950, in Chicago, he went home to be with the Lord on Wednesday. Jan. 11, 2006, after fighting a very courageous battle with leukemia for more than 10 years. Steven attended the Palatine public schools and graduated from Fremd High School. He then went on to attend the University of Illinois and Northern Illinois University, where he received his bachelors and masters degree in education and administration. Steven began and had continued his teaching career with School District 211, where he has taught U.S. History at Fremd High School for more than 30 years. Steven has touched and influenced so many students and individuals lives throughout the years. He will be remembered as a wonderful teacher who has a great sense of humor and was able to make his teaching come alive. Steven also enjoyed coaching and had been a baseball and football coach at Fremd High School for several years. Most important in Steven's life was his faith in God and his family. He was a very dedicated husband, father, grandfather to Haley, always putting others and their needs before his own. He had been an adult Sunday school teacher and was also a leader in Awana. He was a member of Willow Creek Church for 17 years. Survivors include his wife, Debra Ann Bahn (nee Johnson); children, Derek Bahn, Dena (Aaron) Blane and Brad Bahn; granddaughter, Haley Blane; brothers and sister, Fred (Denise) Bahn, Robert (Valerie) Bahn, James Bahn, Gary Bahn and Laura (Ken) Adams; and many nieces and nephews. He was preceded in death by his parents, Roy and Margaret Bahn. In lieu of flowers, memorials would be appreciated for the Steven Bahn Memorial Scholarship Fund, c/o Cornerstone National Bank, Attn: Jane Farver, 1 W. Northwest Highway, Palatine, IL 60067, Heartland Hospice Partners, 49 Sherwood Terrace, Suite N, Lake Bluff, IL 60044 or Willow Creek Community Church, in memory of Steven Bahn, 67 E. Algonquin Road, South Barrington, IL 60010. Arrangements were made by Ahlgrim Family Funeral Home, Palatine, 847-358-7411. Published in the Chicago Suburban Daily Herald from 1/13/2006 - 1/15/2006.

until 02 10 http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16288987<http://www.legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16288987> Virginia Capulli Kastning a lifelong resident of Barrington A Mass of Christian Burial for Virginia Capulli Kastning will be celebrated at 10 a.m. Friday, at St. Anne Church, corner of Franklin and Ela Streets, Barrington, where she will lie in state from 9 a.m. until the time of Mass. Interment will be in Evergreen Cemetery. Visitation will be from 5 to 8 p.m. Thursday, at the Davenport Family Funeral Home, 149 W. Main St. (Lake-Cook Road), Barrington. Born Feb. 2, 1923, at the family home on Lincoln Ave. in Barrington, she passed away peacefully Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006, following a short illness. Virginia was born into a large and loving Italian family and had many fond memories of growing up in Barrington. She graduated from Barrington High School in 1941. She married Verne Kastning at St. Anne Church on April 24, 1954, and began their life together on Lake Street in Barrington. Mostly, "Geeg" loved her family and friends, her beloved Barrington, her animals, sitting! by her pool in the summer and especially being "Gam" to her cherished granddaughters and many of their friends. She will be deeply missed by all. She is survived by her husband of almost 52 years, Verne; her son and daughter-in-law, David and Eileen Kastning of Barrington, and her beloved granddaughters, Katie and Kelly Kastning; also her nieces, who were like daughters to her, Mary (Larry) Foy of Barrington, Kimberly (Rick) Broders of Palatine and Jane Capulli of Alabama. She so loved her large extended family of nieces and nephews, including Heather and Andy Foy, Thomas Broders, Brooke, Nelle and Paige Rogers and her grandson-in-law, Dan Jarva of Barrington. She is also survived by her sister, Lucille Maclennan of Venice, Fla., and her brother-in-law, Bill (Naomi) Conner of Barrington. She was preceded in death by her parents, Romeo and Della (nee Caparelli); her brothers, David, Daniel and Leonard; her sister, Mary Hondo; and a niece, Sabra (Tim) Capulli Long. For infor! mation,847-381-3411. Published in the Chicago Suburban Daily Herald on 1/11/2006.

until 02 10 06: http://legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16300646<http://legacy.com/DailyHerald/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=16300646> correct for duplicating url Carol L. Thiemann of South Elgin Services for Carol L. Thiemann, 71, will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday, at the Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, 1111 Van St., with the Rev. Roger Pollock officiating. Burial will be private. Visitation will be from 4 to 8 p.m. today, at the Laird Funeral Home, 310 S. State St., Elgin, and from 10:30 a.m. until the time of services Saturday, at the church. Born Sept. 5, 1934, in Elgin, the daughter of Edward and Esther Struckman, she passed away peacefully at her home, surrounded by family, after a courageous battle with cancer. Carol was a homemaker and later worked in the food service department for School District U-46. She was an active member of Good Shepherd Lutheran Church of Elgin and served on the Altar Guild and Cradle Roll. She is survived by her husband, Donald, whom she married Sept. 29, 1957; daughters, Diane (Pat) Neal of Bloomingdale and Joyce (Hal) Toenjes of Green Bay, Wis.; and grandchildren, Nathan, Rachel and Ben. She was prec! eded in death by her parents; and brother, Melvin Struckman. Memorials may be made to Good Shepherd Lutheran Church. For information, 847-741-8800. Published in the Chicago Suburban Daily Herald on 1/13/2006. and courier news 01 12 06 Carol L. Thiemann, 71, of South Elgin, passed away peacefully in her home, surrounded by family, after a courageous battle with cancer. She was born on September 5, 1934 in Elgin and was the daughter of Edward and Esther Struckman. Carol was a homemaker, and later worked in the food service department for school district U-46. She was an active member of Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in Elgin, serving on the Altar Guild and Cradle Roll. Survivors include her husband, Donald, to whom she married on September 29, 1957; two daughters, Diane (Pat) Neal of Bloomingdale, IL and Joyce (Hal) Toenjes of Green Bay, WI; three grandchildren, Nathan, Rachel and Ben. She was preceded in death by her parents; and her brother, Melvin Struckman. Funeral Services will be held on Saturday, January 14, 2006 at 11:00 AM in the Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, 1111 Van St., with Rev. Roger Pollock officiating. Burial will be private. Visitation will be on Friday from 4-8:00 PM in the Laird Funeral Home, Elgin, and on Saturday in the church from 10:30 AM until the time of services. Memorials may be made to Good Shepherd Lutheran Church.

Thanks Val, The Du Page list brought back a lot of memories. I remember when the first man from our high school was killed in WWll. I think that was when the war really hit home--it wasn't just handsome guys in uniform to date. We were really a bunch of shallow kids, but we all grew up in a hurry. Grace

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm if you find someone of our lists, post the link and with the name in the subject, eh?

st peter and st john never had duplicated or overlaping records.. i know i have written about the ontarioville church and st john overlapping in the past before the 1940 era....... and that info too is in the archives... i do not think that the type list is from the 1960's.. earlier than 1960s is my TYPEWRITTEN GUESS.... On 1/14/06, MjB <confessthefaith@comcast.net> wrote: > .... valentine53179 wrote: > > how they went about it...? > A member might know the answer so I will inquire. > > > > what was the 'straw' that made one or more people decided to commit > > the time to do the work...? > > and when whas this done...? > When the worship services ceased being celebrated in German,(i.e. 1964) > and the predominant language of the parish was English. They also > celebrated the congregation's 110 anniversary in 1961 so one "historic" > moment most likely led to more intense "historical" research. > > > > and who were the authors of the work? > Again I will ask. Members of the Hartmann, Mensching, Theis, Wille, or > Hitzeman are the most likely candidates. > > > > as you know, the books themselves are in old script and lengthy and > > the sections of the books are not continual, intermixed from page to > > page..... > > the records that were typed (and then again processed to another > > system- perhaps in a wordprocessing docuemnt) are fine to use, > > especially since they ARE used and without doubt will CONTINUE to be > > used....> > > but there is one book that has entries that are almost the same - tho > > not exact - as entries in another book. The books are not exact > > however and might actually cover the years when st johns and the > > ontarioville church were administered by the same minister but... i am > > not sure, cannot read the script and though have asked script readers > > to translate, come up with no answers.... > > The sections that pertain to each church act (Baptisms, Burials, > Confirmations, Marriages) are continuous in and of themselves in each > book, aren't they? > The overlap with Ontarioville, (now Bartlett) took place in the years > 1949-1963 with regard to Christian education and the joint effort with > the school 1 to 8 grade. It was a dual parish served by one pastor only > briefly from 1957-1964. The readable dates of the two books in question > go back much further. And the numbers of acts recorded in duplication > are too numerous to be attributed to such a short period of joint > pastoral service. > > The confusion of records you refer to is probably during ante-bellum > times. There was a period from approximately 1855 to 1862 when St. > Peter and St. John were being mutually served by the same pastor, before > he went to serve briefly as military chaplain in the Civil War. This > would be the most likely period for those confusing records, as there > were more family members between St. Peter and John, than St. John and > Ontarioville. > > So what is the best explanation for two approximately identical sources? > I will hypothesize it due to a fire in 1910, and the condition of > surviving manuscripts were such that they came up with the solution of > making a new copy. Caution, this paragraph is only a supposition.... > which has yet to be tested and proved or disproved. > > > > i think that the accuracy of the typed sheets are nearer to VERY > > ACCURATE than to NOT ACCURATE... > > IF the researcher were to exhaust all resources (that is IF they were > > to exhaust all resources) and still not find a sacramental entry for a > > person that perhaps a review of the books at the library would be in > > order for the periods of time that are logical... the table of > > contents of the books should be of help to the researcher so that > > EVERY page is not necessary...... > > i am NOT suggesting that a full review of the books if the entry is > > found on the transcribe sheets..ONLY IF there is just no other place > > to look....and someone is 'lost' > The "lost" records will most likely be due to a fire which burned down > the sanctuary's wooden structure (dedicated in 1863) when it was struck > by lighting on Aug. 23 1910. Pastor Richter was able to save only so > many records being stored in the church at that time. The loss of the > structure was total. > > > > there was no question as to them being genuine... > > as you know i saw the originally typed pages... > > typed well before photocpy and wordperfect etall... > > and also that there was a newer version of the same typed pages... > > in fact, both set were copied and are included in the booklets at both > > the church and the library... > Yes thanks for doing that..... > > > > there is no doubt that the work to transcribe the records was a time > > consuming effort.. > > NO > > DOUBT.... > > and we are lucky to have had people dedicated to reading and > > transcribing and listing the old script entries... > > for us, it is a wonderment > > and > > a gift..... > For which, however incomplete due to human error and acts of God they > may be, we are all truly grateful. > Pastor > St. John Ev. Lutheran - Rodenberg > > > ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== > _____________________________ > To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com > To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . > Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D > If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... > SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

it is in the archives of this list.. the reading that she did has been added to in the list archives.. On 1/14/06, MjB <confessthefaith@comcast.net> wrote: > Jörg Schnadt wrote: > Mr. Schnadt: > Please send to my email address the excel file by Elaine Lorinczi to > which you refer as this would be of great to us here at St. John for > correlating with our work. Thank you and God's blessings. > Pastor > St. John Ev. Lutheran - Rodenberg > confessthefaith@comcast.net > > > > Dear Valentine, Larry and List, > > > > yes, Henry Schnadt with his wife Engel Marie are buried on St. Johns > > cemetery. > > My question referred to a gravestone in row # 9, which only bears the name > > "Schnadt". In the meantime I have noticed by sorting the monument-list of > > Elaine Lorinczi that the neighboring graves are from of 1881 (EXCEL-file > > available). Therefore I suspect that the grave "Schnadt" is also from that > > time. Karen Rowe recorded the church books of St.John. After this a son of > > Henry Schnadt, Carl Heinrich Konrad, aka: Charles, died on Sep 17,1881. I > > believe that he was buried there. > > > > In case I will ever come again to Schaumburg,IL, I'll give you a note. > > Thank you for your help. > > Best wishes, > > Joerg Schnadt > > > > ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== > _____________________________ > To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com > To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . > Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D > If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... > SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Jörg Schnadt wrote: Mr. Schnadt: Please send to my email address the excel file by Elaine Lorinczi to which you refer as this would be of great to us here at St. John for correlating with our work. Thank you and God's blessings. Pastor St. John Ev. Lutheran - Rodenberg confessthefaith@comcast.net > Dear Valentine, Larry and List, > > yes, Henry Schnadt with his wife Engel Marie are buried on St. Johns > cemetery. > My question referred to a gravestone in row # 9, which only bears the name > "Schnadt". In the meantime I have noticed by sorting the monument-list of > Elaine Lorinczi that the neighboring graves are from of 1881 (EXCEL-file > available). Therefore I suspect that the grave "Schnadt" is also from that > time. Karen Rowe recorded the church books of St.John. After this a son of > Henry Schnadt, Carl Heinrich Konrad, aka: Charles, died on Sep 17,1881. I > believe that he was buried there. > > In case I will ever come again to Schaumburg,IL, I'll give you a note. > Thank you for your help. > Best wishes, > Joerg Schnadt

.... valentine53179 wrote: > how they went about it...? A member might know the answer so I will inquire. > what was the 'straw' that made one or more people decided to commit > the time to do the work...? > and when whas this done...? When the worship services ceased being celebrated in German,(i.e. 1964) and the predominant language of the parish was English. They also celebrated the congregation's 110 anniversary in 1961 so one "historic" moment most likely led to more intense "historical" research. > and who were the authors of the work? Again I will ask. Members of the Hartmann, Mensching, Theis, Wille, or Hitzeman are the most likely candidates. > as you know, the books themselves are in old script and lengthy and > the sections of the books are not continual, intermixed from page to > page..... > the records that were typed (and then again processed to another > system- perhaps in a wordprocessing docuemnt) are fine to use, > especially since they ARE used and without doubt will CONTINUE to be > used....> > but there is one book that has entries that are almost the same - tho > not exact - as entries in another book. The books are not exact > however and might actually cover the years when st johns and the > ontarioville church were administered by the same minister but... i am > not sure, cannot read the script and though have asked script readers > to translate, come up with no answers.... The sections that pertain to each church act (Baptisms, Burials, Confirmations, Marriages) are continuous in and of themselves in each book, aren't they? The overlap with Ontarioville, (now Bartlett) took place in the years 1949-1963 with regard to Christian education and the joint effort with the school 1 to 8 grade. It was a dual parish served by one pastor only briefly from 1957-1964. The readable dates of the two books in question go back much further. And the numbers of acts recorded in duplication are too numerous to be attributed to such a short period of joint pastoral service. The confusion of records you refer to is probably during ante-bellum times. There was a period from approximately 1855 to 1862 when St. Peter and St. John were being mutually served by the same pastor, before he went to serve briefly as military chaplain in the Civil War. This would be the most likely period for those confusing records, as there were more family members between St. Peter and John, than St. John and Ontarioville. So what is the best explanation for two approximately identical sources? I will hypothesize it due to a fire in 1910, and the condition of surviving manuscripts were such that they came up with the solution of making a new copy. Caution, this paragraph is only a supposition.... which has yet to be tested and proved or disproved. > i think that the accuracy of the typed sheets are nearer to VERY > ACCURATE than to NOT ACCURATE... > IF the researcher were to exhaust all resources (that is IF they were > to exhaust all resources) and still not find a sacramental entry for a > person that perhaps a review of the books at the library would be in > order for the periods of time that are logical... the table of > contents of the books should be of help to the researcher so that > EVERY page is not necessary...... > i am NOT suggesting that a full review of the books if the entry is > found on the transcribe sheets..ONLY IF there is just no other place > to look....and someone is 'lost' The "lost" records will most likely be due to a fire which burned down the sanctuary's wooden structure (dedicated in 1863) when it was struck by lighting on Aug. 23 1910. Pastor Richter was able to save only so many records being stored in the church at that time. The loss of the structure was total. > there was no question as to them being genuine... > as you know i saw the originally typed pages... > typed well before photocpy and wordperfect etall... > and also that there was a newer version of the same typed pages... > in fact, both set were copied and are included in the booklets at both > the church and the library... Yes thanks for doing that..... > there is no doubt that the work to transcribe the records was a time > consuming effort.. > NO > DOUBT.... > and we are lucky to have had people dedicated to reading and > transcribing and listing the old script entries... > for us, it is a wonderment > and > a gift..... For which, however incomplete due to human error and acts of God they may be, we are all truly grateful. Pastor St. John Ev. Lutheran - Rodenberg

i have yet to get to the church to get the info that they do have.. tho it is not a lot.. i susggest that you take a look at the STDL on next trip and look thru the one book that it sthere... a small book... and see if there are any entries there... plus, take a look at the listing that karen has on her page and double check that the name is not included in that listing... there are some tho not all of the cem recrods also at the church... On 1/12/06, grace w gathman <wallace26@juno.com> wrote: > There was one line that caught my eye in Valentines post--about the > Ontarioville Church. Does anyone know if there are any records anywhere > of that church? My husbands grandparents were members there. Johann > [John] and Dorothea Dohse [Dohs] Bremer. They had several children who > died while they lived there and were buried in the cemetery in > Ontarioville. Johann Bremer died in 1885 and his widow and children moved > to Bloomingdale. He was also buried in the Ontarioville cemetery. There > were never any headstones as they were very poor. I would love to find > some confirmation of the word of mouth family history that I have on the > Bremer family. Grace > > > ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== > _____________________________ > To post: IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L@rootsweb.com > To Search: go to rootsweb.com, then to interactive search then enter in il-cook-schaumburg > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg . > Unsubscribe at IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L-request@rootsweb.com or -D > If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi We are a list2 list.... > SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine fpsah60194@hotmail.com > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >