Family Tree for ClonesThis article can be found at: http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume3/v3i3/clone.htm David Fleer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Family Trees for Clones A Practical Guide for Genealogists by Erno Listerhijj, Erno Listerhijj, Erno Listerhijj, Erno Listerhijj, et al. The Bergen County Amateur Genealogical Association Pyramus, New Jersey Here is a simple guide to preparing family trees for clones. The recent report that a sheep has been cloned in Scotland is happy news for genealogists. Prospects are good that other Scottish sheep will be cloned, and that eventually Scottish persons will be cloned. It is likely that, in the not too distant future, other persons will be cloned, too. As experts on drawing up family trees, we must prepare ourselves to handle this brave new world. Some may regard cloning as a genealogical nuisance-we have heard it said that a family tree with clones will grow like kudzu. Nevertheless, we can describe and record it simply, using mathematical notation. A clone is both a child and a sibling of the person from whom he/she was cloned. This is how to identify the clones of a family progenitor/self-genitor. For purposes of illustration, we will call him "Mel." Mel himself is recorded simply as: Mel and he looks like this: The first batch of Mel clones-that is, all the clones cloned directly from Mel-each has one subscript. For example, if Mel directly produces five clones of himself, they will be identified, genealogically, as: Mel1 Mel2 Mel3 Mel4 Mel5 and they will look like this: Each of those clones' clones has two subscripts. For example, if Mel4 has several children, the second child of the new batch will be Mel 4 2 and he will look like this: If this individual sees the need to clone himself, the members of the next bunch will each have an "extra" subscript. For example, the thirteenth child of that bunch (if the bunch be so bountiful!) will be Mel 4 2 13 and he will look like this: And so forth (no pun intended). You add an extra subscript every time a clone spawns a new (for lack of a better term) generation. No matter how many times Mel clones himself, and no matter how many times each of the clones clones himself, each clone can be identified simply-and clearly-as: Of course some or all of the clones might be given other, less formal-sounding, names. Regardless, every genealogist should insist on recording the family proceedings in the standard fashion as we define it here. To do otherwise would be confusing to all concerned. Copyright © 1997 The Annals of Improbable Research (AIR). All rights reserved.

Hallo liebe Mitforscher, für einen Kollegen aus der Liste habe ich zwei Artikel aus der Nds. Landesbibliothek kopiert: Kno(c)ke - ein altes niedersächsisches Geschlecht - aus: Norddeutsche Familienkunde 1971, 63-70 Gerrit Engelkes hannoversche Vorfahren - aus: Norddeutsche Familienkunde 1972, 147-150 Vielleicht hat noch einer von Euch Intersse daran? Versende sie als pdf-Datei (Acrobat Reader erforderlich) - bitte angeben, welcher Artikel benötigt wird. Ein schönes Wochenende Martin www.arendi.de - Ahnenforschung in Preussen & Lippe

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 31/100 1. 2. FATHER - 2 -Tell a story that would be characteristic of your father, something about how he acted, how he thought, what social class would you say your father grew up in, what kind of education did he have, was he involved in the community, school, church, politics, did he do any crafts, woodworking, mechanical, electrical, could he program a VCR, what skills did you learn from him, was he artistic, musical, did he have any hobbies? 3. BIRTHDAYS - How did you celebrate birthdays when you were a child; What did you wrap presents in; what kinds of presents did you receive; what is one that you especially remember; what were your cakes like; who usually attended; what of those birthdays did you continue with your own children; and how do your grandchildren celebrate their birthdays now; how are they different? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 28 29 0

Note: It could very well be that things that you remember of your parents or grandparents will not always be favorable. Might I suggest that you not totally divorce yourself from putting s-o-m-e thoughts down on paper. Include those questions that you have about their actions that you felt were NOT in keeping with the accepted normalcy of parenting/grandparenting - even if you know you may never get a real answer. Do remember these are YOUR recollections - your thoughts and you may not have an opportunity again to write so openly about your feelings. What you do with these ultra personal comments is entirely up to you. You may choose to keep them under lock and key. You may find that you will use them as guides to keep the same things from repeating themselves in your family. There are a multitude of actions that you cold take. As you write, if you write, remember that there is something to be said about "getting the weight off your chest". and Note: there will be a series over the next 5 days of questions about your father. As you write, ideas will come to you over and above what is noted here. I would suggest you keep a slip of paper at your side and jot down single word reminders and then when the topics are complete, add to your commentary with the details you can write about using these 'reminders'. REMINDER lists are wonderful tools. You cannot cover all the bases all at one time; you will just interrupt yourself! So instead, jot down those single-word memory triggers and write in detail when you are able. (I have a REMINDER list that never seems to end, it grows with each little 'story' that comes up). Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 30/100 1. 2. FATHER -1 - Where did he grow up, what stories did he tell of his youth, was he married before, did he ever talk about that part of his life, did he work outside of the house before he married, what stories do you know about the time of his courtship, how long did they know each other, before they dated, and married, who are his siblings (full names and spouses if you know them), what did he look like, describe him, in your memory at this moment, how do you remember him looking, did he have any scars or birthmarks or extremity losses, does anyone else in the family have any birthmarks similar to hers, do you know the story about his scar? Did he have a tattoo? Using your search engine of choice, with IMAGES, try to locate a photo or two that resembles your father's work dress style and 'dressup' style (perhaps with clothes +1940 or clothes +1930 or clothes +depression). 3. Tell a story about marshmallows. Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 28-30 0

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 29/100 1. MOTHER - 5 - What disappointments do you think your mother suffered in her life, any great sadnesses, or tragedies or regrets, how did she cope with these, did she dwell on them or continue despite the hardship, do you know if she had a strong religious belief, do you believe that she believed in God? or higher Being, did she pray, were there specific religious traditions that she practiced, what religion was she raised in, did she practice that religion, if she changed, do you know the reason for the change, did the others in your family group follow her lead? 2. How and when did your mother pass away, were you with her, can you tell about that instance, where is she now buried, can you tell about the wake and funeral, what was that day like, before her death did she speak with you about death and dying, what did she share with you, did she believe in afterlife, do you share her same beliefs about death and mortality, what do you think is the most important thing that you learned from your mother, what would you have asked if you had the chance? Do you think, on the whole, that your mother was successful, what do you think would be her MOST IMPORTANT ACCOMPLISHMENT in life? 3. Tell a watermelon story. Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 27 27 0-

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 28/100 1. MOTHER -4 - What was your mother's personality like, - warm - loving - strict - severe - sense of humor - gloomy - did she lose her temper - was she a cursor or a drinker, did your mother cry, was she a joke teller, a storyteller, a sportswoman, an athlete, was she physically strong, was she good with people or a loner, tell a short story about any of these portions of her life, what were some of her BEST qualities, and what would you consider a negative quality, do you feel that you inherited any of these qualities, what ways do you think you are EXACTLY like your mother, and in what ways EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, what was her attitude about raising children, do your techniques mirror those of your mother, what have you changed? 2. What was our mother's attitude towards sex, would you say she was a prude, or more openly communicative about it, did you ever receive a 'sex' education from your mother, what do you remember of THAT day, what was her attitude towards premarital sex, in what ways did she try to PROTECT you? (Take the time and write about how YOU feel about this subject and how YOU may have changed your attitude since childhood.) 3. How did you celebrate HALLOWEEN. as a child, did you carry some of these traditions on with your own children, what was the BEST costume that you ever put together, how did you go about making it, what was it like to get your children ready for Halloween, what was the evening like on those yearly days, do you see much change in Halloween with your grandchildren? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 26 26 0

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 27/100 1. 2. MOTHER -3 - Did she work outside of the home, what was that work, what kinds of hours did she work, was it out of the ordinary at the time for her to work outside of the home, do you know what she was paid, did she enjoy the work, did she work out of necessity, what kinds of things did your mother do around the house, was she a good cook, what dish did she make that was YOUR favorite, do you make that dish now, do you make it often or seldom, share the recipe here, how was your mother's health, did she have any illnesses or injuries while you were growing up, how did these affect you and the family? 3. Do you speak another language, how is it that you can speak this language, can you also write init, do you consider yourself fluent, do you share your knowledge with your children, is this language ofyour heritage? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 24 25/26 0

Hello, Do you know the first names of any of the BOHNE people who bought the farm? On the 1834 Ship Orient's passenger list, there are both spellings of Meier. Are you sure it was 1838? Regards, Marsha ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILckSCH] Fw: [HN] Marhenke BOHNE In a message dated 10/5/2003 6:00:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Osnabrück My Meyer family came to Schaumburg Illinois in 1838 from Osnabrück/Devern...I have seen Germans write Meier in the old church books interchangeably for Meyer. Johann Diedrich Meyer we have his family back to the 1500's. A BOHNE bought the farm of my Kolling family approx 1868-69 in Schaumburg just down the road from the MEYER farm. Laurie ==== IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG Mailing List ==== To post: [email protected] To Search: http://listSEARCHES.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listSEARCH.pl?list=il-cook-schaumburg Note: YOU will need to add RG to SCHAUMBU in the Query box and Enter.... ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/il-cook-schaumburg Unsubscribe at [email protected] or -D If there is a system problem and you cannot get to valentine, go here....http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi look for info about LIST2 lists. We are a list2 list....SEE ALSO: il-cook-elkgrove il-cook-palatine ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 10/5/2003 6:00:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Osnabrück My Meyer family came to Schaumburg Illinois in 1838 from Osnabrück/Devern...I have seen Germans write Meier in the old church books interchangeably for Meyer. Johann Diedrich Meyer we have his family back to the 1500's. A BOHNE bought the farm of my Kolling family approx 1868-69 in Schaumburg just down the road from the MEYER farm. Laurie

Roy E. Krueger of Hampshire Funeral services for Roy E. Krueger, 53, will be held at 10:30 a.m. Monday, at St. Peter Lutheran Church, 208 E. Schaumburg Road, Schaumburg. The Rev. David Hudak and the Rev. Norman Meyer will officiate. Born July 30, 1950, in Elgin, he died Thursday, Oct. 2, 2003, at Provena-St. Joseph Hospital, Elgin. Burial will follow services in the Memory Gardens Cemetery, Arlington Heights. Mr. Krueger was a lifelong resident of the Hampshire/Elgin areas, where he was a farmer for most of his life. He also worked as a maintenance mechanic at Sloan Valve Company in Franklin Park for 23 years. Roy loved music and was an accomplished drummer and concertina player. He started his drumming career with the Bob Moehling Band and he performed every Tuesday at the River Bend Restaurant in Cary. Roy is survived by his wife, Janet (nee Honemann) Krueger, whom he married on May 4, 2002; his children, Scott (Marie) of Hampshire, Carren of South Elgin, Niklas of South Elgin and Jason of Palatine; his parents, Wilbert & Marie Krueger of Belvidere; brother, Raymond (Nancy) Krueger of Woodstock; aunt, Marian Buchholz of Waterman, Ill.; uncle, Martin (Luella) Bockelmann of Addison; mother-in-law, Doro! thy Linnemann of Itasca; and many friends, especially, Irma Shomo of Chicago and Steve Harvel of East Dundee. Roy was preceded in death by his maternal and paternal grandparents. Visitation will be from 2 to 8 p.m. Sunday, at the Miller Funeral Home, 504 W. Main St., West Dundee, and from 9:30 a.m. until the time of services Monday, at the church. Please omit flowers, memorials may be made to either the Provena St. Joseph Hospital Regional Cancer Care Center, or to the Provena-St. Joseph Hospital Intensive Care Unit. Friends may visit www.dailyherald.com/obits to express condolences and sign the guest book. For funeral information, (847)426-3436. Published in the Chicago Suburban Daily Herald from 10/3/2003 - 10/4/2003.

----- Original Message ----- From: MARSHA K BANEY To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Marhenke information Hi Bob, I have a copy of a portion of the Ship Orient passenger's list from Bremen to New York Oct. 2, 1834. My BOHNE family--at least part-came from Osnabrück and Hannover--both Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) now. Do you have the name of any towns your people came from? There are many Meiers on the portion of the list I have. Do you know if you are connected to the BOHNE family in any way? I have reason to believe they may have been connected through family ties. Some BOHNE people went to Nebraska from Illinois after the Civil War. One veteran was Alfred Herman Bohne. Let me know if you want me to list the names and ages of the Meier people on the list if you think it will help you. Marsha [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Marhenke Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HN] Marhenke information It has been a while since I have placed my Marhenke inquiry on this list so here is another try. The Marhenke's I am searching for came from south west of Hannover, Marienhagen Weenzen Thuste etc. I also have a lead that they may have come from the Banteln area. Would anyone be searching there and if so if you come across the names Marhenke, Steinecke or Meier prior to 1850 please let me know. From sunny Nebraska, USA---Bob Marhenke _______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 26/100 1. 2. MOTHER - 2 -Tell a story that would be characteristic of your mother, something about how she acted or how she thought, what social class would you say your mother grew up in, what kind of education did she have, was she involved in the community, school, church, politics, did she do any crafts, knit, crochet, sew, work with wood, did she know how to work with electricity, could she program a VCR, what skills did you learn from her, was she artistic, musical, did she have any hobbies? 3. Can you play a musical instrument, what was practice like for you, did you enjoy that, who was your teacher, did you learn in the home or elsewhere, do you still play, how frequently do you play, do you feel that children nowadays should learn to play an instrument, are you able to teach another, have you taught anyone else to play, if you could choose an instrument to play, would it be the same instrument? (If you cannot play an instrument, discuss the reasons why you did not learn, and your thoughts on the entire topic of music.). Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 24 24 0

Note: there will be a series over the next 5 days of questions about your mother, followed then with 5 days of your father. As you write, ideas will come to you over and above what is noted here. I would suggest you keep a slip of paper at your side and jot down single word reminders and then when the topics are complete, add to your commentary with the details you can write about using these 'reminders'. REMINDER lists are wonderful tools. You cannot cover all the bases all at one time; you will just interrupt yourself! So instead, jot down those single-word memory triggers and write in detail when you are able. (I have a REMINDER list that never seems to end, it grows with each little 'story' that comes up). Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 25/100 1. 2. MOTHER -1 - Where did she grow up, what stories did she tell of her youth, was she married before, did she ever talk about that part of her life, did she work outside of the house before she married, what stories do you know about the time of her courtship, how long did they know each other, before they dated, and married, who are her siblings (full names and spouses if you know them) and how many children did your mother have, (and please name them, in chronological order), what did she look like, describe her, in your memory at this moment, how do you remember her looking, did she have any scars or birthmarks or extremity losses, does anyone else in the family have any birthmarks similar to hers, do you know the story about her scar? Did she have a tattoo? Using your search engine of choice, with IMAGES, try to locate a photo or two that resembles your mother's dress style (perhaps with clothes +1940 or clothes +1930 or clothes +depression) 3. When was the most difficult time in YOUR life, what was the most difficult instance, how did you survive it, what did you do to help yourself, who did you depend on for help, what would you do differently if this same situation presented itself? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 22 23 0

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 24/100 1. GRANDPARENTS - Father's side -Grandmother - What was her name; what kind of person was she; her personality; what did she look like; how many children did she have; what were some of her positive qualities; special skills; abilities; what were some of her negative qualities; what social class would you say she was from; how important was she to you; did she have much affect on you; did she pass on any of the family traditions either in material ways or in characteristic ways of looking at life or doing things; can you remember any good times you had with her; something that really stood out; what was she like emotionally, quiet-loud-happy-meloncholy-funny-stern-easygoing-stubborn-optimistic-cheerful; did you go to any specific places with her or do things together; did she work outside of the home; doing what; or did she work in the home for cash money; what did she die of; where is she buried and do you think you have any of her qualities in you? 2. GRANDPARENTS - Father's side - Grandfather What was his name; what kind of person was he; him personality; what did he look like; how many children did he have; what were some of his positive qualities; special skills; abilities; what were some of his negative qualities; what social class would you say he was from; how important was he to you; did he have much affect on you; did he pass on any of the family traditions either in material ways or in characteristic ways of looking at life or doing things; can you remember any good times you had with him; something that really stood out; what was he like emotionally, quiet-loud-happy-meloncholy-funny-stern-easygoing-stubborn-optimistic-cheerful; did you go to any specific places with him or do things together; did he work outside of the home; doing what; or did he work in the home for cash money; what did he die of; where is he buried and do you think you have any of his qualities in you? 3. When were you most happy, what was the MOST HAPPY INSTANCE that you can remember? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 19 20 0

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Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 23/100 1. GRANDPARENTS Mother's side - Grandmother - What was her name; what kind of person was she; her personality; what did she look like; how many children did she have; what were some of her positive qualities; special skills; abilities; what were some of her negative qualities; what social class would you say she was from; how important was she to you; did she have much affect on you; did she pass on any of the family traditions either in material ways or in characteristic ways of looking at life or doing things; can you remember any good times you had with her; something that really stood out; what was she like emotionally, quiet-loud-happy-meloncholy-funny-stern-easygoing-stubborn-optimistic-cheerful; did you go to any specific places with her or do things together; did she work outside of the home; doing what; or did she work in the home for cash money; what did she die of; where is she buried and do you think you have any of her qualities in you? 2. GRANDPARENTS- Mother's side - Grandfather What was his name; what kind of person was he; him personality; what did he look like; how many children did he have; what were some of his positive qualities; special skills; abilities; what were some of his negative qualities; what social class would you say he was from; how important was he to you; did he have much affect on you; did he pass on any of the family traditions either in material ways or in characteristic ways of looking at life or doing things; can you remember any good times you had with him; something that really stood out; what was he like emotionally, quiet-loud-happy-meloncholy-funny-stern-easygoing-stubborn-optimistic-cheerful; did you go to any specific places with him or do things togethim; did he work outside of the home; doing what; or did he work in the home for cash money; what did he die of; where is he buried and do you think you have any of his qualities in you? 3. What was the most scary time in YOUR life? Detail the instance. Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 19/20 0

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 22/100 1. On the listing of people above (21/100), show their birth dates and their death dates if appropriate, use your BEST guess if you are unsure but place a "?" at that guess date. 2. "WHEN DID YOU GET or give YOUR FIRST KISS?" 3. When did you first meet your spouse,.how did you first meet, how soon after you met did you first date, what did you do on that first date, and then how soon after your first date did you marry? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 0 0 0

Subject: MY very own RECOLLECTIONS - 21/100 1. Make a list of the people in your family, using their FULL complete NAMES and Nicknames - grandparents, parents greatgrandparents if you knew them yourself, spouses, siblings grandkids nieces children and two or three very good friends..... (keep a clean list of these names - you will use them again later.... ) 2. Now for each one, write about one short story about them, perhaps the first one that comes to mind when you thought of their name, but be sure it is about something that YOU remember firsthand. (you can always write more if you wish...) 3. For the one person who is the oldest family person YOU knew YOURSELF, Identify this person as the oldest person YOU knew and then go into some detail about this oldest person. Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 0 0 0

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Subject: My very own RECOLLECTIONS - 20/100 1. FOLKLORE - What do you remember about hearing stories about WHY your ancestors came to (America or other), did the 'reason' for their steps to emigrate get passed down, what have you heard about what they met upon their arrival, why they located to a specific area vs another, or why one branch is in one area now vs. another, what were those reasons, what about 'black sheep' or 'horse thieves' , 'ladies man', 'womanizers', 'royalty'? 2. HEIRLOOMS - What items do you have from the earliest members of your family (or know about them, if you do not have them in YOUR possession)? Describe them and what you know about them and who had them originally and how they made their way to the current owner/s, does it have monetary value and is it protected as a priced possession? 3. YOU! (again...) - Talk about yourself as a Mother, Wife, Daughter, Aunt, Grandmother....(or as Father, Husband, Son, Uncle, Grandfather...) how do you feel you are/were viewed in these roles, were you a good child, or a terror; were you a good parent, a strict parent, too easy-going? are you the 'BESTEST' grandparent and why, 'BESTEST" Aunt/Uncle? Remember...... Write as you speak.... Be yourself.... Write liberally...... Do not worry about technique.... It is the THOUGHT that counts - or thoughts! Write as if it might be the LAST time you can address the question... 18 20 0 _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com