Hello Robert, Thank you for all the work you have done with this. I don't seem to have the list , could you send it to me? Thank you, Julie B in NC kajbene@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHILLER Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:08 PM To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 Here is the entire article from The Chicago Tribune, minus the list of couples which I've already posted. Glad this has generated interest! WED IN MILWAUKEE. HUNDREDS FROM CHICAGO GO THERE TO TAKE MARRIAGE VOWS. Two Dollars Necessary for a License Here Pays for a Wedding Trip on a Whaleback. - Preachers and Justices Complain About Parsimonious Grooms - Stirred Up by Register of Deeds for Not Recording Certificates - List of Chicago Couples United Since May. MILWAUKEE, Wis., Sept. 1. - [Special Correspondence.] - Since May 1 there have been married in this city 250 Chicago couples whose marriages have been recorded at the Register of Deeds' office. No one can tell how many of these marriages have not been recorded, but a conservative estimate places the number for the last four months at 800. Owing to the refusal or failure of a large number of clergymen or Justices of the Peace to comply with the law the records are necessarily incomplete, but they are complete enough to show beyond all shadow of doubt that Milwaukee's popularity as a Gretna Green is on the increase. A few days ago Register of Deeds August Kieckhefer sent a circular to the ministers and Justices that they must record all marriages promptly or he would be compelled to bring them before the court and have them fined. The law provides a fine of $100 or imprisonment for six months in the county jail for failure or neglect in registering a marriage. The Polish and some German ministers were negligent in this regard, but the determined stand of the Register of Deeds has brought them to time, and during the last few days the office has been deluged with marriage records. These records show a strange state of affairs. Although it is conceded this year has been an exceptionally bad one and employment hard to obtain, yet marriages are on the increase. During 1893, 3,000 marriages were performed in Milwaukee County. Thus far in 1894, 2,400 marriages have been recorded and some of the clergymen have not recorded a marriage in eight months. The delays which have occurred in the recording of marriages in this county have been shameful. It is a common thing to have a marriage run for two, three, or five years without being recorded, and the other day a man walked into the office with the record of a marriage performed in 1843. The Register of Deeds will not give out the names of the delinquent clergymen. He said, however, he had the most trouble with the Rev. Mr. Adelberg, who did not record a marriage in eight months. This clergyman brought in a list of over 300 marriages last January, at which he had officiated during the preceeding year. Justice of the Peace Walthers, a few days ago, brought in a batch of fifty-six certificates at one time. The Rev. J. J. Keogh of St. John's Cathedral is also among the delinquents. The Polish Catholic priests have to be notified often to make them comply with the law and register marriages promptly. Some few are prompt in complying with the law. Complain of Chicago People. While the Register of Deeds complains of the clergymen and Justices, they in turn make bitter complaints against the Chicago people who come here to be married, claiming they are a cheap lot who do not want to pay full price for the happiness they seek. Some of the Justices are of the opinion Chicago grooms have formed a combine and are determined not to pay more than $2 a knot. Justice Hayden, speaking of the poor remuneration he receives for Chicago marriages, said: "I have had more $2 marriages this summer than I ever thought I would have and I am puzzled to know the secret of it. These $2 fees are so regular it has become monotonous. Possibly they are because of the hard times and the Pullman strike. The young men seem to be hard up. Nearly every groom this summer has asked 'How much?' I have evaded the question, but my modesty has never except in one or two instances been rewarded by more than a $2 fee. These young fellows feel so extremely happy themselves they seem to forget all about making the poor Justice happy." Justice McWorther has had the same experience as Justice Hayden. He has been deluged with $2 fees and the other day a Chicago groom gave him $1.50 as he whispered in his ear, "Is that enough?" "No," thundered the Justice, "it is not enough," and fresh blushes came on the face of the bride, while the groom stood confused for a moment. It was only a moment, however, and he took his bride by the arm and led her out, leaving the Justice gazing at the $1.50. The Whaleback is responsible for these cheap marriages. It costs $2 for a license in Chicago, while no licenses are required here. The $2 will pay for a wedding trip on the Whaleback. The Chicago young man who wants to get married can do so by coming to Milwaukee. The expenses are: Round trip for two on steamer...$2.00 Splicing by Milwaukee Justice....2.00 Street car fare and incidentals..1.00 _______________ Total...................$5.00 This is cheap and besides the young man has not to go to the expense of giving a reception and entertaining his friends at a big celebration. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! 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Wonderful work and well done !!!!! I just got my new computer and am trying to download everything, would you please be kind to send to me a copy of that list? Appreciate it !!! Martha~ --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Julie & Kevin <kajbene@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Julie & Kevin <kajbene@bellsouth.net> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] FW: Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:25 AM Hello Robert, Thank you for all the work you have done with this. I don't seem to have the list , could you send it to me? Thank you, Julie B in NC kajbene@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHILLER Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:08 PM To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 Here is the entire article from The Chicago Tribune, minus the list of couples which I've already posted. Glad this has generated interest! WED IN MILWAUKEE. HUNDREDS FROM CHICAGO GO THERE TO TAKE MARRIAGE VOWS. Two Dollars Necessary for a License Here Pays for a Wedding Trip on a Whaleback. - Preachers and Justices Complain About Parsimonious Grooms - Stirred Up by Register of Deeds for Not Recording Certificates - List of Chicago Couples United Since May. MILWAUKEE, Wis., Sept. 1. - [Special Correspondence.] - Since May 1 there have been married in this city 250 Chicago couples whose marriages have been recorded at the Register of Deeds' office. No one can tell how many of these marriages have not been recorded, but a conservative estimate places the number for the last four months at 800. Owing to the refusal or failure of a large number of clergymen or Justices of the Peace to comply with the law the records are necessarily incomplete, but they are complete enough to show beyond all shadow of doubt that Milwaukee's popularity as a Gretna Green is on the increase. A few days ago Register of Deeds August Kieckhefer sent a circular to the ministers and Justices that they must record all marriages promptly or he would be compelled to bring them before the court and have them fined. The law provides a fine of $100 or imprisonment for six months in the county jail for failure or neglect in registering a marriage. The Polish and some German ministers were negligent in this regard, but the determined stand of the Register of Deeds has brought them to time, and during the last few days the office has been deluged with marriage records. These records show a strange state of affairs. Although it is conceded this year has been an exceptionally bad one and employment hard to obtain, yet marriages are on the increase. During 1893, 3,000 marriages were performed in Milwaukee County. Thus far in 1894, 2,400 marriages have been recorded and some of the clergymen have not recorded a marriage in eight months. The delays which have occurred in the recording of marriages in this county have been shameful. It is a common thing to have a marriage run for two, three, or five years without being recorded, and the other day a man walked into the office with the record of a marriage performed in 1843. The Register of Deeds will not give out the names of the delinquent clergymen. He said, however, he had the most trouble with the Rev. Mr. Adelberg, who did not record a marriage in eight months. This clergyman brought in a list of over 300 marriages last January, at which he had officiated during the preceeding year. Justice of the Peace Walthers, a few days ago, brought in a batch of fifty-six certificates at one time. The Rev. J. J. Keogh of St. John's Cathedral is also among the delinquents. The Polish Catholic priests have to be notified often to make them comply with the law and register marriages promptly. Some few are prompt in complying with the law. Complain of Chicago People. While the Register of Deeds complains of the clergymen and Justices, they in turn make bitter complaints against the Chicago people who come here to be married, claiming they are a cheap lot who do not want to pay full price for the happiness they seek. Some of the Justices are of the opinion Chicago grooms have formed a combine and are determined not to pay more than $2 a knot. Justice Hayden, speaking of the poor remuneration he receives for Chicago marriages, said: "I have had more $2 marriages this summer than I ever thought I would have and I am puzzled to know the secret of it. These $2 fees are so regular it has become monotonous. Possibly they are because of the hard times and the Pullman strike. The young men seem to be hard up. Nearly every groom this summer has asked 'How much?' I have evaded the question, but my modesty has never except in one or two instances been rewarded by more than a $2 fee. These young fellows feel so extremely happy themselves they seem to forget all about making the poor Justice happy." Justice McWorther has had the same experience as Justice Hayden. He has been deluged with $2 fees and the other day a Chicago groom gave him $1.50 as he whispered in his ear, "Is that enough?" "No," thundered the Justice, "it is not enough," and fresh blushes came on the face of the bride, while the groom stood confused for a moment. It was only a moment, however, and he took his bride by the arm and led her out, leaving the Justice gazing at the $1.50. The Whaleback is responsible for these cheap marriages. It costs $2 for a license in Chicago, while no licenses are required here. The $2 will pay for a wedding trip on the Whaleback. The Chicago young man who wants to get married can do so by coming to Milwaukee. The expenses are: Round trip for two on steamer...$2.00 Splicing by Milwaukee Justice....2.00 Street car fare and incidentals..1.00 _______________ Total...................$5.00 This is cheap and besides the young man has not to go to the expense of giving a reception and entertaining his friends at a big celebration. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message