Hi Dianna, Once I knew that Joseph Santora had been buried in Mt Carmel cemetary I actually simply called the cemetary on the phone. A nice lady there looked up the plot right while I waited on the phone. I thought that was really nice of her to give me all of the info on the phone and I've found local cemetary people here in New Jersey have also been just as nice & helpful. Since the grave I was looking for turned out to be in the charity section of unmarked graves, there was no marker or headstone. FYI - In that case, they put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so now there is not really a way to tell if his body is the top or bottom - she mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted to move it somewhere - which I did not ! Anyway I was going to say that once you find the plot and all, there are other lists that people are willing to take a photo of the headstone for you if you ask. I hope this helps. Regards, Michelle O'Keefe .. .. .. .. Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:42:54 -0500 From: "Dianna Saracco-Farish" <DFARISH@ec.rr.com> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Obit request - Joseph Santora Dec 1912 Chicago To: <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002e01c99608$10ed9440$6401a8c0@a4818e67a05fc4> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Hi. Can you tell me how you got the info from Mt. Carmel? I have many family members there and since I live in NC now,I was looking for a way to get into records to find info on family at Mt. Carmel. We still have grave sites there as all my family is laid to rest there. Thank you. Dianna Saracco-Farish Born and raised in Chicago and area.

Hi Michelle, I, too, have had excellent info via phone from Mt Carmel Cemetery as well as Good Shepherd, the new cemetery here. Those office workers go above and beyond to help us. You've raised a point I had never thought of, simply because I would never have enough money to move a family member! Assuming a relative received a charity grave and was buried with others that were not related, how could that body be identified? It is my understanding, from seeing this on caskets for family members that when the undertaker closed the casket, a seal was placed. I know the seals had identifiable numbers. Why wouldn't the cemetery, knowing a body was in a particular grave, be able to identify which body was which by that seal? They also have a copy of a burial permit which is dated. While they can't tell just from the burial cards they keep in the office, once in the grave I think they can tell. Also, in my family, three are buried on top of each other in one grave at Mt Olivet. Little Katie was first, (age 5), and she is at the bottom; her dad died next and is in the middle, with Sarah, the mom being on top. I had never heard of this before and was totally freaked out to look for one and find them all at once! Little Katie was a twin I knew nothing about, though my mom states she "had heard a child died". This twin child was the sister of my mom's mom, and the family was so closeknit. Yet no stories exist about her. Curious and curiouser! Cher --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: From: mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary Since the grave I was looking for turned out to be in the charity section of unmarked graves, there was no marker or headstone. FYI - In that case, they put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so now there is not really a way to tell if his body is the top or bottom - she mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted to move it somewhere - which I did not ! Michelle O'Keefe