Last fall I visited Resurrection Cemetery, Justice Il. My great grandmother was buried in a term grave. Of course there was no grave marker. At the office they could tell me exactly where she was buried in that section. The person at the office gave me good directions and I saw the grave map of the area and her grave lot was colored in. I went out there, had a black marker and copy paper and make a type of 'grave marker' with her name and death date. Then I took pictures of that area and some distant pictures for future people to see where it is. Yes at some time in the future the cemetery will sell the lot and if there are any remains left (after 92 years) they will be removed. Suggest you visit the office at St Adelbert's and ask where the people where buried. Sue At St. Adelbert's, their term graves are 25 years, so I don't know where my ggparents final resting place is since in that family. they all bought term graves **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

Just an fyi on early graves-- many of them were term graves. Families buried more than one person because they already paid for the plot. I am sure your ancestors were as frugal as mine. Mary On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:43 AM, <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: > > > Cher,   I think I did ask about the 2 bodies in the grave >  and I know the lady told me there was no way to know which > body was which.  You have a good point about the date - > earlier death is on the bottom.  She told me that there is > not even a marker of any sort on the plot. I think that there >  were a lot of deaths & murders in Chicago during that time of the > Black Hand murders and rise of organized crime there.  Even > though I know there is no marker on the grave I have this > interest in actually seeing the spot if I ever get to Chicago. > > My Mom's twin sister died at 6 years old and that was back in > 1925.  Things were very different then.  My Mom's biggest memory > about her sister was the fact that the wake/viewing was right in > their house.  I'm not sure if that was the custom back then or because > of the cost, but it was pretty traumatic for my Mom at 6 years old > to see her own image lay dead right in the living room for a few days. > However, the headstone on her grave is quite elaborate and beautiful > and they spared no cost for the headstone. >  I bet that your family didn't talk mugh about the little girl that > died in your family because it was so traumatic for the family.  I > never heard of 3 people stacked in a single grave.  That must be a really > deep grave. > Michelle O'Keefe > >  ------------- > > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Cheryl <genealogygroups@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary > To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6983.68066.qm@web45704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Michelle, > > I, too, have had excellent info via phone from Mt Carmel Cemetery as well as > Good Shepherd, the new cemetery here. Those office workers go above and beyond > to help us. > > You've raised a point I had never thought of, simply because I would never have > enough money to move a family member! Assuming a relative received a charity > grave and was buried with others that were not related, how could that body be > identified? It is my understanding, from seeing this on caskets for family > members that when the undertaker closed the casket, a seal was placed. I know > the seals had identifiable numbers. Why wouldn't the cemetery, knowing a body > was in a particular grave, be able to identify which body was which by that > seal? They also have a copy of a burial permit which is dated. While they can't > tell just from the burial cards they keep in the office, once in the grave I > think they can tell. > > Also, in my family, three are buried on top of each other in one grave at Mt > Olivet. Little Katie was first, (age 5), and she is at the bottom; her dad died > next and is in the middle, with Sarah, the mom being on top. I had never heard > of this before and was totally freaked out to look for one and find them all at > once! Little Katie was a twin I knew nothing about, though my mom states she > "had heard a child died". This twin child was the sister of my mom's mom, and > the family was so closeknit.  Yet no stories exist about her. > > Curious and curiouser! > > Cher > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: > >  From: mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> >  Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary >  Since the grave  I was looking for turned out to  be in the charity section of > unmarked graves, there was no marke > r or  headstone.  FYI - In that case, they > put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so  now there is not really a way to > tell if his body is the  top or bottom - she > mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted to move it > somewhere - which I did not ! >  Michelle O'Keefe > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello: I am hoping someone might be able to assist me by looking up two obits for me? Chicago, Cook, IL. John Skupien: b: 26 Mar 1925 d: 10 Dec 1988   John Skupien: b: 01 Oct 1927 d: 31 Dec 1988 Thank you. Martha~  

In a message dated 2/26/2009 3:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, il-cook-chicago-request@rootsweb.com writes: I recall Helen Sclair the "Cemetery Lady" saying the cemetery with the most burials in one grave (not plot) was at Calvary Cemetery with 10 (maybe 12). ************************** Basically they do that in Europe all the time since land in some areas has better uses, or is for some reason limited. A family may use a single or some small number of plots many times...They don't plan for bodies being put there and never being disturbed, so they use caskets that will disintegrate as the bodies do. What usually happens is that any bones found when grave is opened is put in an ossuarium with all the other reminants of others bodies. If deaths are not too close together, this works well. Buring a bunch is a grave without any removing remains is not usually possible...unless all prior decay to nothing! At St. Adelbert's, their term graves are 25 years, so I don't know where my ggparents final resting place is since in that family. they all bought term graves... Anettka **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

I tried getting a copy of a liquor license through IRAD at NEIU. I waited 6 weeks and the man, though nice, said he never found anything but he didn't look through them all. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ChicagoGenealogy" <chicagogenealogy@comcast.net> To: <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Saloons in Cook County > IRAD at NEIU has some liquor license records but, if I remember > correctly, the date span given in the holdings catalog is broad and the > actual records aren't as extensive as they would seem from that. > > My recollection is that there wasn't much information given--maybe > names, addresses, date, and amount paid--but a quick call to IRAD would > probably get you a more definitive answer. > > Hopefully someone with better information will weigh in! > > Cynthia > > charles tintera wrote: >> My Grandfather, father's side, owned or ran a saloon on the east side of >> Cicero before prohibition. I have the address and Google Maps, >> Street-view, >> shows the building still there though derelict. >> >> >> >> Are there any records pertaining to saloons? Liquor licenses? Tax >> records? >> Could they be a source of information? >> >> >> >> TIA >> >> cvt >> >> >> >> >> >> Charles "Chuck" Tintera >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Grandfather, father's side, owned or ran a saloon on the east side of Cicero before prohibition. I have the address and Google Maps, Street-view, shows the building still there though derelict. Are there any records pertaining to saloons? Liquor licenses? Tax records? Could they be a source of information? TIA cvt Charles "Chuck" Tintera

IRAD at NEIU has some liquor license records but, if I remember correctly, the date span given in the holdings catalog is broad and the actual records aren't as extensive as they would seem from that. My recollection is that there wasn't much information given--maybe names, addresses, date, and amount paid--but a quick call to IRAD would probably get you a more definitive answer. Hopefully someone with better information will weigh in! Cynthia charles tintera wrote: > My Grandfather, father's side, owned or ran a saloon on the east side of > Cicero before prohibition. I have the address and Google Maps, Street-view, > shows the building still there though derelict. > > > > Are there any records pertaining to saloons? Liquor licenses? Tax records? > Could they be a source of information? > > > > TIA > > cvt > > > > > > Charles "Chuck" Tintera > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Illinois Regional Archives Depository aka IRAD here in Chicago has some Cook County Liquor License and Business License records for the late 1800's - sorry I can't recall the year (s).  It might be worth your while to call them...........   Illinois Regional Archives Depository Ronald Williams Library Northeastern Illinois University 5500 N. St. Louis Avenue Chicago, IL 60625-4699 Telephone: (773) 442-4506   Good luck, Judie Mason Chicago --- On Thu, 2/26/09, charles tintera <CTINTERA@cfl.rr.com> wrote: From: charles tintera <CTINTERA@cfl.rr.com> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Saloons in Cook County To: IL-COOK-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:29 PM My Grandfather, father's side, owned or ran a saloon on the east side of Cicero before prohibition. I have the address and Google Maps, Street-view, shows the building still there though derelict. Are there any records pertaining to saloons? Liquor licenses? Tax records? Could they be a source of information? TIA cvt Charles "Chuck" Tintera ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Coxwain. If you look at the lines above his name, that's the spelling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxswain The coxswain (pronounced /ˈkɒksən/) is the person in charge of a boat, particularly its navigation and steering. The etymology of the word gives us a literal meaning of "boat servant" since it comes from cox, a coxboat or other small vessel kept aboard a ship, and swain, which can be rendered as boy, in authority. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coxswain Main Entry: 1cox·swain Listen to the pronunciation of 1coxswain Pronunciation: \ˈkäk-sən, -ˌswān\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English cokswayne, from cok cockboat (a small boat) + swain servant Date: 15th century 1 : a sailor who has charge of a ship's boat and its crew and who usually steers 2 : a steersman of a racing shell who usually directs the rowers Mary arleen gould wrote: > On the 1910 Military census I cannot read the rank, I think it lists the > rank, of the person. What is written in the relationship column?? > > Wirfs, Joseph H > birth about 1891 > USS South Dakota pg: 3A line 13 > > It looks like ___swain. > > Arleen > >

Mary YES I think it is Coxswain. Thanks for looking also Arleen On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Mary Snow <marysnow@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Coxwain. If you look at the lines above his name, that's the spelling. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxswain > The coxswain (pronounced /ˈkɒksən/) is the person in charge of a boat, > particularly its navigation and steering. The etymology of the word > gives us a literal meaning of "boat servant" since it comes from cox, a > coxboat or other small vessel kept aboard a ship, and swain, which can > be rendered as boy, in authority. > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coxswain > > Main Entry: > 1cox·swain Listen to the pronunciation of 1coxswain > Pronunciation: > \ˈkäk-sən, -ˌswān\ > Function: > noun > Etymology: > Middle English cokswayne, from cok cockboat (a small boat) + swain servant > Date: > 15th century > > 1 : a sailor who has charge of a ship's boat and its crew and who > usually steers 2 : a steersman of a racing shell who usually directs the > rowers > > > Mary > > arleen gould wrote: > > On the 1910 Military census I cannot read the rank, I think it lists the > > rank, of the person. What is written in the relationship column?? > > > > Wirfs, Joseph H > > birth about 1891 > > USS South Dakota pg: 3A line 13 > > > > It looks like ___swain. > > > > Arleen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patti & Cher Thank you. It is so nice to have more then 2 eyes when reading these :) Arleen On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Cheryl <genealogygroups@yahoo.com> wrote: > > boatswain? > > Cher > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, arleen gould <puddin444@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: arleen gould <puddin444@gmail.com> > > Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] What is the word on the census - Military > > To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:00 PM > > On the 1910 Military census I cannot read the rank, I think > > it lists the > > rank, of the person. What is written in the relationship > > column?? > > > > Wirfs, Joseph H > > birth about 1891 > > USS South Dakota pg: 3A line 13 > > > > It looks like ___swain. > > > > Arleen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the 1910 Military census I cannot read the rank, I think it lists the rank, of the person. What is written in the relationship column?? Wirfs, Joseph H birth about 1891 USS South Dakota pg: 3A line 13 It looks like ___swain. Arleen

boatswain? Cher --- On Thu, 2/26/09, arleen gould <puddin444@gmail.com> wrote: > From: arleen gould <puddin444@gmail.com> > Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] What is the word on the census - Military > To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:00 PM > On the 1910 Military census I cannot read the rank, I think > it lists the > rank, of the person. What is written in the relationship > column?? > > Wirfs, Joseph H > birth about 1891 > USS South Dakota pg: 3A line 13 > > It looks like ___swain. > > Arleen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I recall Helen Sclair the "Cemetery Lady" saying the cemetery with the most burials in one grave (not plot) was at Calvary Cemetery with 10 (maybe 12).   Judie Mason Chicago --- On Thu, 2/26/09, bessinger janice <janmelb@yahoo.com> wrote: From: bessinger janice <janmelb@yahoo.com> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] many bodies in grave To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:13 AM My Malone/Moloney/Ray/Rea family found a grave in Calvary with 21 bodies. Actually it was probaly a couple of gravesites. The oldest was buried in 1864 and the latest was in 1933. There was no marker of any kind visible so the extended family raised the money and placed a nice but simple marker with the surnames. When it was being placed at the grave, as they dug down, they found a limestone marker with the surnames but no dates. BTW, many of the folks who contributed had met through the genealogy on the web. We found second, third cousins, etc. from Michigan to Florida to California. It has been fun. Good luck to all. Janice in North Florida looking for Illinois info on: Maloney/Moloney Ray/Rea Foley Caulfield Thomson/Thompson Czekala Pawlak ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Malone/Moloney/Ray/Rea family found a grave in Calvary with 21 bodies. Actually it was probaly a couple of gravesites. The oldest was buried in 1864 and the latest was in 1933. There was no marker of any kind visible so the extended family raised the money and placed a nice but simple marker with the surnames. When it was being placed at the grave, as they dug down, they found a limestone marker with the surnames but no dates. BTW, many of the folks who contributed had met through the genealogy on the web. We found second, third cousins, etc. from Michigan to Florida to California. It has been fun. Good luck to all. Janice in North Florida looking for Illinois info on: Maloney/Moloney Ray/Rea Foley Caulfield Thomson/Thompson Czekala Pawlak

Hi Michelle, I went to Oakwoods and viewed spots there, even though there were no markers. The staff was very friendly and even paced off the area between markers so we could be fairly certain we had the right spot. I do suggest you also shoot some of the general area, too. OMG! I never really thought how hard it must have been for Lizzie, the twin of Katie! I only hope they were fraternal, not identical! I'm thinking the three person grave wasn't any deeper than normal, but Katie's casket wasn't very big, either. However, the weight of the other two caskets may have placed Katie in China by now; Grandma Sarah was a huge lady, they say! Mt Carmel burial records were filmed by LDS. As you may be aware, all films are currently being digitized for placement online, free. I'll bet they'd then be searchable by lot/plot numbers. Not that you would ever do anything to move the body, but someday the placement info will be free! Target date was 10 years, reduced to 7 and it's been about 2 years since it started.

I have a photo of a headstone from a local cemetery, it is for a mother and four of her children. They all died in 1885, two of the children died around Valentine's Day. The story in the paper said that the girls died of an illness and that the mother was ailing at the time as well. Mark

In 1925, home wakes were still the norm. I have an aunt and uncle (sister and brother) in a single grave. They both died young and are buried over an unrelated child. Dave B David T Buzzek You cannot soar with the eagles during the day if you hoot with the owls at night! --- On Wed, 2/25/09, mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: > From: mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] MT Carmel cemetary / unmarked graves / deep graves > To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 6:43 AM > Cher, I think I did ask about the 2 bodies in the grave > and I know the lady told me there was no way to know which > > body was which. You have a good point about the date - > earlier death is on the bottom. She told me that there is > > not even a marker of any sort on the plot. I think that > there > were a lot of deaths & murders in Chicago during that > time of the > Black Hand murders and rise of organized crime there. Even > > though I know there is no marker on the grave I have this > interest in actually seeing the spot if I ever get to > Chicago. > > My Mom's twin sister died at 6 years old and that was > back in > 1925. Things were very different then. My Mom's > biggest memory > about her sister was the fact that the wake/viewing was > right in > their house. I'm not sure if that was the custom back > then or because > of the cost, but it was pretty traumatic for my Mom at 6 > years old > to see her own image lay dead right in the living room for > a few days. > However, the headstone on her grave is quite elaborate and > beautiful > and they spared no cost for the headstone. > I bet that your family didn't talk mugh about the > little girl that > died in your family because it was so traumatic for the > family. I > never heard of 3 people stacked in a single grave. That > must be a really > deep grave. > Michelle O'Keefe > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Cheryl <genealogygroups@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary > To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <6983.68066.qm@web45704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Michelle, > > I, too, have had excellent info via phone from Mt Carmel > Cemetery as well as > Good Shepherd, the new cemetery here. Those office workers > go above and beyond > to help us. > > You've raised a point I had never thought of, simply > because I would never have > enough money to move a family member! Assuming a relative > received a charity > grave and was buried with others that were not related, how > could that body be > identified? It is my understanding, from seeing this on > caskets for family > members that when the undertaker closed the casket, a seal > was placed. I know > the seals had identifiable numbers. Why wouldn't the > cemetery, knowing a body > was in a particular grave, be able to identify which body > was which by that > seal? They also have a copy of a burial permit which is > dated. While they can't > tell just from the burial cards they keep in the office, > once in the grave I > think they can tell. > > Also, in my family, three are buried on top of each other > in one grave at Mt > Olivet. Little Katie was first, (age 5), and she is at the > bottom; her dad died > next and is in the middle, with Sarah, the mom being on > top. I had never heard > of this before and was totally freaked out to look for one > and find them all at > once! Little Katie was a twin I knew nothing about, though > my mom states she > "had heard a child died". This twin child was the > sister of my mom's mom, and > the family was so closeknit. Yet no stories exist about > her. > > Curious and curiouser! > > Cher > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mich0222@aol.com > <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: > > From: mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary > Since the grave I was looking for turned out to be in > the charity section of > unmarked graves, there was no marke > r or headstone. FYI - In that case, they > put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so now > there is not really a way to > tell if his body is the top or bottom - she > mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted > to move it > somewhere - which I did not ! > Michelle O'Keefe > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Cher, I think I did ask about the 2 bodies in the grave and I know the lady told me there was no way to know which body was which. You have a good point about the date - earlier death is on the bottom. She told me that there is not even a marker of any sort on the plot. I think that there were a lot of deaths & murders in Chicago during that time of the Black Hand murders and rise of organized crime there. Even though I know there is no marker on the grave I have this interest in actually seeing the spot if I ever get to Chicago. My Mom's twin sister died at 6 years old and that was back in 1925. Things were very different then. My Mom's biggest memory about her sister was the fact that the wake/viewing was right in their house. I'm not sure if that was the custom back then or because of the cost, but it was pretty traumatic for my Mom at 6 years old to see her own image lay dead right in the living room for a few days. However, the headstone on her grave is quite elaborate and beautiful and they spared no cost for the headstone. I bet that your family didn't talk mugh about the little girl that died in your family because it was so traumatic for the family. I never heard of 3 people stacked in a single grave. That must be a really deep grave. Michelle O'Keefe ------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Cheryl <genealogygroups@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6983.68066.qm@web45704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Michelle, I, too, have had excellent info via phone from Mt Carmel Cemetery as well as Good Shepherd, the new cemetery here. Those office workers go above and beyond to help us. You've raised a point I had never thought of, simply because I would never have enough money to move a family member! Assuming a relative received a charity grave and was buried with others that were not related, how could that body be identified? It is my understanding, from seeing this on caskets for family members that when the undertaker closed the casket, a seal was placed. I know the seals had identifiable numbers. Why wouldn't the cemetery, knowing a body was in a particular grave, be able to identify which body was which by that seal? They also have a copy of a burial permit which is dated. While they can't tell just from the burial cards they keep in the office, once in the grave I think they can tell. Also, in my family, three are buried on top of each other in one grave at Mt Olivet. Little Katie was first, (age 5), and she is at the bottom; her dad died next and is in the middle, with Sarah, the mom being on top. I had never heard of this before and was totally freaked out to look for one and find them all at once! Little Katie was a twin I knew nothing about, though my mom states she "had heard a child died". This twin child was the sister of my mom's mom, and the family was so closeknit. Yet no stories exist about her. Curious and curiouser! Cher --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: From: mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary Since the grave I was looking for turned out to be in the charity section of unmarked graves, there was no marke r or headstone. FYI - In that case, they put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so now there is not really a way to tell if his body is the top or bottom - she mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted to move it somewhere - which I did not ! Michelle O'Keefe

Hi Michelle, I, too, have had excellent info via phone from Mt Carmel Cemetery as well as Good Shepherd, the new cemetery here. Those office workers go above and beyond to help us. You've raised a point I had never thought of, simply because I would never have enough money to move a family member! Assuming a relative received a charity grave and was buried with others that were not related, how could that body be identified? It is my understanding, from seeing this on caskets for family members that when the undertaker closed the casket, a seal was placed. I know the seals had identifiable numbers. Why wouldn't the cemetery, knowing a body was in a particular grave, be able to identify which body was which by that seal? They also have a copy of a burial permit which is dated. While they can't tell just from the burial cards they keep in the office, once in the grave I think they can tell. Also, in my family, three are buried on top of each other in one grave at Mt Olivet. Little Katie was first, (age 5), and she is at the bottom; her dad died next and is in the middle, with Sarah, the mom being on top. I had never heard of this before and was totally freaked out to look for one and find them all at once! Little Katie was a twin I knew nothing about, though my mom states she "had heard a child died". This twin child was the sister of my mom's mom, and the family was so closeknit. Yet no stories exist about her. Curious and curiouser! Cher --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> wrote: From: mich0222@aol.com <mich0222@aol.com> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary Since the grave I was looking for turned out to be in the charity section of unmarked graves, there was no marker or headstone. FYI - In that case, they put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so now there is not really a way to tell if his body is the top or bottom - she mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted to move it somewhere - which I did not ! Michelle O'Keefe