Cynthia, Here's a wild wild guess. Names sound Scottish. Were any weddings ever performed in a "Rose Croix" temple, or meeting place. The origination is Scottish and Catholic, I believe. Can't hurt to give it a look. Googled a little about it. Dolly Hauf ----- Original Message ----- From: "ChicagoGenealogy" <chicagogenealogy@comcast.net> To: <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Need to Read Place of Marriage > I'm guessing one of you will be able to read where this marriage took > place . . . If you can, would you let me know so that I can pass the > information along to the researcher who asked me? I will happily give > full credit to the person who figures it out. > > 1030220 MCGOWAN, FRANCES CARNEY, SARAH 1892-11-23 / 00192926 COOK > http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/a09/251e.jpg > http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/a09/251.jpg > > Thanks! > > Cynthia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rev. Michael A. Bruton - Rosecrans, IL   Died April 21, 1905.  Above info from his Chicago Tribune obit posted April 23, 1905.  Copy of obit sent separately to Cynthia.   Ruth --- On Mon, 5/11/09, ChicagoGenealogy <chicagogenealogy@comcast.net> wrote: From: ChicagoGenealogy <chicagogenealogy@comcast.net> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Need to Read Place of Marriage To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 10:22 AM I'm guessing one of you will be able to read where this marriage took place . . . If you can, would you let me know so that I can pass the information along to the researcher who asked me? I will happily give full credit to the person who figures it out. 1030220 MCGOWAN, FRANCES CARNEY, SARAH 1892-11-23 / 00192926 COOK http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/a09/251e.jpg http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/a09/251.jpg Thanks! Cynthia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm guessing one of you will be able to read where this marriage took place . . . If you can, would you let me know so that I can pass the information along to the researcher who asked me? I will happily give full credit to the person who figures it out. 1030220 MCGOWAN, FRANCES CARNEY, SARAH 1892-11-23 / 00192926 COOK http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/a09/251e.jpg http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/a09/251.jpg Thanks! Cynthia

As a follow-up to your post of April 23rd asking what church "was/is at 2238 Cortez," I have some additional information.   My great uncle's marriage license from July 2, 1927 had the same address on it.  The clergyman was Rev. Henry E. Lambrecht.  It took some serious digging, but I learned that back then the church located at that address was St. Peter's Church.  Today, the church is known as St. Peter's United Church of Christ and is located at:   St. Peter's United Church of Christ 2805 North Linder Avenue Chicago, IL  60641-4839 Phone:  773-283-1118   For assistance with old church records, write or send an email with your request to stpeterucc@sbcglobal.net and address it to the attention of "Kathy."  Within a week or two of sending my rquest, I received a photocopy of the original church entry.   Very pleasant people to work with.   Sorry it took a while for me to find my notes on this, Pam, but better late than never.   Ruth --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Ruth Susmarski <rususmar@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ruth Susmarski <rususmar@yahoo.com> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Need some help........ To: "pam sherry" <pamsherry1@comcast.net>, il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 2:00 PM That would currently be:   St. Volodymyr Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral 2238 West Cortez Street Chicago, IL  60622 773-278-2927     Ruth --- On Thu, 4/23/09, pam sherry <pamsherry1@comcast.net> wrote: From: pam sherry <pamsherry1@comcast.net> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Need some help........ To: "Illinois Cook county list" <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com>, "Cook County" <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 1:50 PM Does anyone know what church was/is at 2238 Cortez Street, Chicago?? Thank you, Pam S. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judie Mason wrote: > The cemetery has records going back to it's founding in 1877. You can > obtain more information and contact information at their website > <http://www.bohemiannationalcemeterychicago.org/> > Judie Mason, Chicago I sent them an E-mail and am waiting to see if they respond; but I won't be surprised if they don't. cvt

Some funeral homes are more helpful than others.  Some get very persnickity and adhere to (or hide behind) the stringency of privacy laws even when it comes to providing the most basic information.  I've had experience with both.   Ruth --- On Sun, 5/3/09, John & Julianne Begley <kidzrgone@gmail.com> wrote: From: John & Julianne Begley <kidzrgone@gmail.com> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Funeral Homes and Information To: IL-COOK-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:17 AM Good Morning.Could someone tell me how helpful (and tolerant) funeral homes are for genealogy inquiries?  I need some information and the funeral home that handled the 1894 death is still in business. ** *McInerney's, Thomas & Sons Funeral Home* (Since 1873) 4635 S. Wallace 773-268-0703 Any advice most welcome.  Still searching BEGLEY, BAGLEY, BIGLEY, FENNESSEY, FARRISSEY Juli ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To those who have requested the list from this article, I posted it on 5 March. If you go back in the archives, you'll find it there. If you still need it sent to you via email, I can do that also. Bob Schiller

Wow, that sounds like a great idea for someone who is in library/archival school as an idea for an intern type of project. When I was originally going to go back to school to get my MLIS with a concentration in archival work, that was what I had planned to do as a final project. Perhaps if they contacted the graduate school at Dominican University or the graduate school at Loyola (that's where they have a museum studies program) some student may be willing to take that on. I would imagine if they had to pay someone to do it, it's not going to happen. Either that or someone who would know how to digitize the information and would volunteer. As long as McInerney's sounds somewhat willing, that is a chance that I would hate to see passed by. Wish I had experience in that work, but as I didn't go back for that degree,,,,, well,,, that's that for me anyway! Beth --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> wrote: > From: Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Funeral Homes and Information > To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:53 AM > Juli, > McInerney's is still in operation and always willing to > help.  I've had a tour and actually saw all the old > dusty record books literally shoved in a back closet.  The > owner talked to us about wanting to get these valuable > records digitalized, but unfortunately nothing's > happened yet.  The information contained in the records is > amazing. >   > Judie Mason > Chicago > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, John & Julianne Begley > <kidzrgone@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: John & Julianne Begley > <kidzrgone@gmail.com> > Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Funeral Homes and Information > To: IL-COOK-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:17 AM > > Good Morning.Could someone tell me how helpful (and > tolerant) funeral homes > are for genealogy inquiries? I need some information and > the funeral home > that handled the 1894 death is still in business. ** > *McInerney's, Thomas & Sons Funeral Home* (Since > 1873) > 4635 S. Wallace > 773-268-0703 > Any advice most welcome. Still searching BEGLEY, BAGLEY, > BIGLEY, FENNESSEY, > FARRISSEY > > Juli > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Judie Mason wrote: > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:05:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Cemetery > Yes it is. Did you know it is on the National Register of Historic Places? > It may not be the entire cemetery but only the gate house even though the > cemetery should - it's an amazing outdoor art gallery. My mother and 3 > generations before her are buried there. > Judie Mason, Chicago Thanks Judie! Yes I knew that it was on the Registry. I have been there twice. But only found the one grave with a simple headstone "ROD J Tintera" (family of J Tintera?) where my father is buried. But where his parents, Josef Tintera and Josefa Tintera, are interred has escaped me. Does the cemetery keep/have any records that might help? cvt

The cemetery has records going back to it's founding in 1877.  You can obtain more information and contact information at their website...............   http://www.bohemiannationalcemeterychicago.org/   Judie Mason Chicago --- On Sun, 5/3/09, charles tintera <CTINTERA@cfl.rr.com> wrote: From: charles tintera <CTINTERA@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Cemetery To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 4:37 PM Judie Mason wrote: > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:05:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> > Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Cemetery > Yes it is. Did you know it is on the National Register of Historic Places? > It may not be the entire cemetery but only the gate house even though the > cemetery should - it's an amazing outdoor art gallery. My mother and 3 > generations before her are buried there. > Judie Mason, Chicago Thanks Judie! Yes I knew that it was on the Registry. I have been there twice. But only found the one grave with a simple headstone "ROD J Tintera" (family of J Tintera?) where my father is buried. But where his parents, Josef Tintera and Josefa Tintera, are interred has escaped me. Does the cemetery keep/have any records that might help? cvt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning.Could someone tell me how helpful (and tolerant) funeral homes are for genealogy inquiries? I need some information and the funeral home that handled the 1894 death is still in business. ** *McInerney's, Thomas & Sons Funeral Home* (Since 1873) 4635 S. Wallace 773-268-0703 Any advice most welcome. Still searching BEGLEY, BAGLEY, BIGLEY, FENNESSEY, FARRISSEY Juli

Juli, McInerney's is still in operation and always willing to help.  I've had a tour and actually saw all the old dusty record books literally shoved in a back closet.  The owner talked to us about wanting to get these valuable records digitalized, but unfortunately nothing's happened yet.  The information contained in the records is amazing.   Judie Mason Chicago --- On Sun, 5/3/09, John & Julianne Begley <kidzrgone@gmail.com> wrote: From: John & Julianne Begley <kidzrgone@gmail.com> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Funeral Homes and Information To: IL-COOK-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:17 AM Good Morning.Could someone tell me how helpful (and tolerant) funeral homes are for genealogy inquiries? I need some information and the funeral home that handled the 1894 death is still in business. ** *McInerney's, Thomas & Sons Funeral Home* (Since 1873) 4635 S. Wallace 773-268-0703 Any advice most welcome. Still searching BEGLEY, BAGLEY, BIGLEY, FENNESSEY, FARRISSEY Juli ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Grandparents (father's side) were buried in the "Cesko-Narodni hrbitov" in 1923 and 1927. Is that the National Bohemian Cemetery, 5255 North Pulaski? Tia cvt Charles "Chuck" Tintera

Yes it is.  Did you know it is on the National Register of Historic Places?  It may not be the entire cemetery but only the gate house even though the cemetery should - it's an amazing outdoor art gallery.  My mother and 3 generations before her are buried there.   Judie Mason Chicago --- On Sat, 5/2/09, charles tintera <CTINTERA@cfl.rr.com> wrote: From: charles tintera <CTINTERA@cfl.rr.com> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Cemetery To: IL-COOK-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:47 PM My Grandparents (father's side) were buried in the "Cesko-Narodni hrbitov" in 1923 and 1927. Is that the National Bohemian Cemetery, 5255 North Pulaski? Tia cvt Charles "Chuck" Tintera ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wonderful work and well done !!!!! I just got my new computer and am trying to download everything, would you please be kind to send to me a copy of that list? Appreciate it !!! Martha~ --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Julie & Kevin <kajbene@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Julie & Kevin <kajbene@bellsouth.net> Subject: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] FW: Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:25 AM Hello Robert, Thank you for all the work you have done with this. I don't seem to have the list , could you send it to me? Thank you, Julie B in NC kajbene@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHILLER Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:08 PM To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 Here is the entire article from The Chicago Tribune, minus the list of couples which I've already posted. Glad this has generated interest! WED IN MILWAUKEE. HUNDREDS FROM CHICAGO GO THERE TO TAKE MARRIAGE VOWS. Two Dollars Necessary for a License Here Pays for a Wedding Trip on a Whaleback. - Preachers and Justices Complain About Parsimonious Grooms - Stirred Up by Register of Deeds for Not Recording Certificates - List of Chicago Couples United Since May. MILWAUKEE, Wis., Sept. 1. - [Special Correspondence.] - Since May 1 there have been married in this city 250 Chicago couples whose marriages have been recorded at the Register of Deeds' office. No one can tell how many of these marriages have not been recorded, but a conservative estimate places the number for the last four months at 800. Owing to the refusal or failure of a large number of clergymen or Justices of the Peace to comply with the law the records are necessarily incomplete, but they are complete enough to show beyond all shadow of doubt that Milwaukee's popularity as a Gretna Green is on the increase. A few days ago Register of Deeds August Kieckhefer sent a circular to the ministers and Justices that they must record all marriages promptly or he would be compelled to bring them before the court and have them fined. The law provides a fine of $100 or imprisonment for six months in the county jail for failure or neglect in registering a marriage. The Polish and some German ministers were negligent in this regard, but the determined stand of the Register of Deeds has brought them to time, and during the last few days the office has been deluged with marriage records. These records show a strange state of affairs. Although it is conceded this year has been an exceptionally bad one and employment hard to obtain, yet marriages are on the increase. During 1893, 3,000 marriages were performed in Milwaukee County. Thus far in 1894, 2,400 marriages have been recorded and some of the clergymen have not recorded a marriage in eight months. The delays which have occurred in the recording of marriages in this county have been shameful. It is a common thing to have a marriage run for two, three, or five years without being recorded, and the other day a man walked into the office with the record of a marriage performed in 1843. The Register of Deeds will not give out the names of the delinquent clergymen. He said, however, he had the most trouble with the Rev. Mr. Adelberg, who did not record a marriage in eight months. This clergyman brought in a list of over 300 marriages last January, at which he had officiated during the preceeding year. Justice of the Peace Walthers, a few days ago, brought in a batch of fifty-six certificates at one time. The Rev. J. J. Keogh of St. John's Cathedral is also among the delinquents. The Polish Catholic priests have to be notified often to make them comply with the law and register marriages promptly. Some few are prompt in complying with the law. Complain of Chicago People. While the Register of Deeds complains of the clergymen and Justices, they in turn make bitter complaints against the Chicago people who come here to be married, claiming they are a cheap lot who do not want to pay full price for the happiness they seek. Some of the Justices are of the opinion Chicago grooms have formed a combine and are determined not to pay more than $2 a knot. Justice Hayden, speaking of the poor remuneration he receives for Chicago marriages, said: "I have had more $2 marriages this summer than I ever thought I would have and I am puzzled to know the secret of it. These $2 fees are so regular it has become monotonous. Possibly they are because of the hard times and the Pullman strike. The young men seem to be hard up. Nearly every groom this summer has asked 'How much?' I have evaded the question, but my modesty has never except in one or two instances been rewarded by more than a $2 fee. These young fellows feel so extremely happy themselves they seem to forget all about making the poor Justice happy." Justice McWorther has had the same experience as Justice Hayden. He has been deluged with $2 fees and the other day a Chicago groom gave him $1.50 as he whispered in his ear, "Is that enough?" "No," thundered the Justice, "it is not enough," and fresh blushes came on the face of the bride, while the groom stood confused for a moment. It was only a moment, however, and he took his bride by the arm and led her out, leaving the Justice gazing at the $1.50. The Whaleback is responsible for these cheap marriages. It costs $2 for a license in Chicago, while no licenses are required here. The $2 will pay for a wedding trip on the Whaleback. The Chicago young man who wants to get married can do so by coming to Milwaukee. The expenses are: Round trip for two on steamer...$2.00 Splicing by Milwaukee Justice....2.00 Street car fare and incidentals..1.00 _______________ Total...................$5.00 This is cheap and besides the young man has not to go to the expense of giving a reception and entertaining his friends at a big celebration. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Robert, Thank you for all the work you have done with this. I don't seem to have the list , could you send it to me? Thank you, Julie B in NC kajbene@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:il-cook-chicago-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHILLER Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:08 PM To: il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 Here is the entire article from The Chicago Tribune, minus the list of couples which I've already posted. Glad this has generated interest! WED IN MILWAUKEE. HUNDREDS FROM CHICAGO GO THERE TO TAKE MARRIAGE VOWS. Two Dollars Necessary for a License Here Pays for a Wedding Trip on a Whaleback. - Preachers and Justices Complain About Parsimonious Grooms - Stirred Up by Register of Deeds for Not Recording Certificates - List of Chicago Couples United Since May. MILWAUKEE, Wis., Sept. 1. - [Special Correspondence.] - Since May 1 there have been married in this city 250 Chicago couples whose marriages have been recorded at the Register of Deeds' office. No one can tell how many of these marriages have not been recorded, but a conservative estimate places the number for the last four months at 800. Owing to the refusal or failure of a large number of clergymen or Justices of the Peace to comply with the law the records are necessarily incomplete, but they are complete enough to show beyond all shadow of doubt that Milwaukee's popularity as a Gretna Green is on the increase. A few days ago Register of Deeds August Kieckhefer sent a circular to the ministers and Justices that they must record all marriages promptly or he would be compelled to bring them before the court and have them fined. The law provides a fine of $100 or imprisonment for six months in the county jail for failure or neglect in registering a marriage. The Polish and some German ministers were negligent in this regard, but the determined stand of the Register of Deeds has brought them to time, and during the last few days the office has been deluged with marriage records. These records show a strange state of affairs. Although it is conceded this year has been an exceptionally bad one and employment hard to obtain, yet marriages are on the increase. During 1893, 3,000 marriages were performed in Milwaukee County. Thus far in 1894, 2,400 marriages have been recorded and some of the clergymen have not recorded a marriage in eight months. The delays which have occurred in the recording of marriages in this county have been shameful. It is a common thing to have a marriage run for two, three, or five years without being recorded, and the other day a man walked into the office with the record of a marriage performed in 1843. The Register of Deeds will not give out the names of the delinquent clergymen. He said, however, he had the most trouble with the Rev. Mr. Adelberg, who did not record a marriage in eight months. This clergyman brought in a list of over 300 marriages last January, at which he had officiated during the preceeding year. Justice of the Peace Walthers, a few days ago, brought in a batch of fifty-six certificates at one time. The Rev. J. J. Keogh of St. John's Cathedral is also among the delinquents. The Polish Catholic priests have to be notified often to make them comply with the law and register marriages promptly. Some few are prompt in complying with the law. Complain of Chicago People. While the Register of Deeds complains of the clergymen and Justices, they in turn make bitter complaints against the Chicago people who come here to be married, claiming they are a cheap lot who do not want to pay full price for the happiness they seek. Some of the Justices are of the opinion Chicago grooms have formed a combine and are determined not to pay more than $2 a knot. Justice Hayden, speaking of the poor remuneration he receives for Chicago marriages, said: "I have had more $2 marriages this summer than I ever thought I would have and I am puzzled to know the secret of it. These $2 fees are so regular it has become monotonous. Possibly they are because of the hard times and the Pullman strike. The young men seem to be hard up. Nearly every groom this summer has asked 'How much?' I have evaded the question, but my modesty has never except in one or two instances been rewarded by more than a $2 fee. These young fellows feel so extremely happy themselves they seem to forget all about making the poor Justice happy." Justice McWorther has had the same experience as Justice Hayden. He has been deluged with $2 fees and the other day a Chicago groom gave him $1.50 as he whispered in his ear, "Is that enough?" "No," thundered the Justice, "it is not enough," and fresh blushes came on the face of the bride, while the groom stood confused for a moment. It was only a moment, however, and he took his bride by the arm and led her out, leaving the Justice gazing at the $1.50. The Whaleback is responsible for these cheap marriages. It costs $2 for a license in Chicago, while no licenses are required here. The $2 will pay for a wedding trip on the Whaleback. The Chicago young man who wants to get married can do so by coming to Milwaukee. The expenses are: Round trip for two on steamer...$2.00 Splicing by Milwaukee Justice....2.00 Street car fare and incidentals..1.00 _______________ Total...................$5.00 This is cheap and besides the young man has not to go to the expense of giving a reception and entertaining his friends at a big celebration. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! 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Ginger and Robert, Thanks for both of these very interesting articles. I live in Scotland and pass the old blacksmiths shop at Gretna often. I'm researching Fred Noonan from Chicago and it turns out his father was married in Milwaukee. I often wondered why and your articles have cleared this up for me. Jackie. > Many couples married in locations other than Chicago for a whole range of > reasons. If you don't find the marriages you're looking for in Cook > County, > you should try these popular spots: > > Lake County, IN > > Porter County, IN > > Berrien County, MI > > Van Buren County, MI > > Kenosha County, WI > > Milwaukee County, WI > > Racine County, WI > > > > I wrote an article about "Gretna Greens" for the Newberry Library Weblog > some time ago. You might find it interesting. > > http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/news/default.asp?postid=490 > > > > Ginger > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here is the entire article from The Chicago Tribune, minus the list of couples which I've already posted. Glad this has generated interest! WED IN MILWAUKEE. HUNDREDS FROM CHICAGO GO THERE TO TAKE MARRIAGE VOWS. Two Dollars Necessary for a License Here Pays for a Wedding Trip on a Whaleback. – Preachers and Justices Complain About Parsimonious Grooms – Stirred Up by Register of Deeds for Not Recording Certificates – List of Chicago Couples United Since May. MILWAUKEE, Wis., Sept. 1. – [Special Correspondence.] – Since May 1 there have been married in this city 250 Chicago couples whose marriages have been recorded at the Register of Deeds’ office. No one can tell how many of these marriages have not been recorded, but a conservative estimate places the number for the last four months at 800. Owing to the refusal or failure of a large number of clergymen or Justices of the Peace to comply with the law the records are necessarily incomplete, but they are complete enough to show beyond all shadow of doubt that Milwaukee’s popularity as a Gretna Green is on the increase. A few days ago Register of Deeds August Kieckhefer sent a circular to the ministers and Justices that they must record all marriages promptly or he would be compelled to bring them before the court and have them fined. The law provides a fine of $100 or imprisonment for six months in the county jail for failure or neglect in registering a marriage. The Polish and some German ministers were negligent in this regard, but the determined stand of the Register of Deeds has brought them to time, and during the last few days the office has been deluged with marriage records. These records show a strange state of affairs. Although it is conceded this year has been an exceptionally bad one and employment har! d to obtain, yet marriages are on the increase. During 1893, 3,000 marriages were performed in Milwaukee County. Thus far in 1894, 2,400 marriages have been recorded and some of the clergymen have not recorded a marriage in eight months. The delays which have occurred in the recording of marriages in this county have been shameful. It is a common thing to have a marriage run for two, three, or five years without being recorded, and the other day a man walked into the office with the record of a marriage performed in 1843. The Register of Deeds will not give out the names of the delinquent clergymen. He said, however, he had the most trouble with the Rev. Mr. Adelberg, who did not record a marriage in eight months. This clergyman brought in a list of over 300 marriages last January, at which he had officiated during the preceeding year. Justice of the Peace Walthers, a few days ago, brought in a batch of fifty-six certificates at one time. The Rev. J. J. Keogh of St. John’s Cathedral is also among the delinquents. The Polish Catholic priests have to be notified often to make them comply with the law and register marriages promptly. Some few are prompt in complying with the law. Complain of Chicago People. While the Register of Deeds complains of the clergymen and Justices, they in turn make bitter complaints against the Chicago people who come here to be married, claiming they are a cheap lot who do not want to pay full price for the happiness they seek. Some of the Justices are of the opinion Chicago grooms have formed a combine and are determined not to pay more than $2 a knot. Justice Hayden, speaking of the poor remuneration he receives for Chicago marriages, said: “I have had more $2 marriages this summer than I ever thought I would have and I am puzzled to know the secret of it. These $2 fees are so regular it has become monotonous. Possibly they are because of the hard times and the Pullman strike. The young men seem to be hard up. Nearly every groom this summer has asked ‘How much?’ I have evaded the question, but my modesty has never except in one or two instances been rewarded by more than a $2 fee. These young fellows feel so extremely happy themselves they seem to! forget all about making the poor Justice happy.” Justice McWorther has had the same experience as Justice Hayden. He has been deluged with $2 fees and the other day a Chicago groom gave him $1.50 as he whispered in his ear, “Is that enough?” “No,” thundered the Justice, “it is not enough,” and fresh blushes came on the face of the bride, while the groom stood confused for a moment. It was only a moment, however, and he took his bride by the arm and led her out, leaving the Justice gazing at the $1.50. The Whaleback is responsible for these cheap marriages. It costs $2 for a license in Chicago, while no licenses are required here. The $2 will pay for a wedding trip on the Whaleback. The Chicago young man who wants to get married can do so by coming to Milwaukee. The expenses are: Round trip for two on steamer...$2.00 Splicing by Milwaukee Justice....2.00 Street car fare and incidentals..1.00 _______________ Total...................$5.00 This is cheap and besides the young man has not to go to the expense of giving a reception and entertaining his friends at a big celebration. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

Great article! Thanks for sending it. Turns out I had a cheap great great uncle! :) Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT SCHILLER" <rfs44@email.com> To: <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 Here is the entire article from The Chicago Tribune, minus the list of couples which I've already posted. Glad this has generated interest! WED IN MILWAUKEE. HUNDREDS FROM CHICAGO GO THERE TO TAKE MARRIAGE VOWS. Two Dollars Necessary for a License Here Pays for a Wedding Trip on a Whaleback. - Preachers and Justices Complain About Parsimonious Grooms - Stirred Up by Register of Deeds for Not Recording Certificates - List of Chicago Couples United Since May. MILWAUKEE, Wis., Sept. 1. - [Special Correspondence.] - Since May 1 there have been married in this city 250 Chicago couples whose marriages have been recorded at the Register of Deeds' office. No one can tell how many of these marriages have not been recorded, but a conservative estimate places the number for the last four months at 800. Owing to the refusal or failure of a large number of clergymen or Justices of the Peace to comply with the law the records are necessarily incomplete, but they are complete enough to show beyond all shadow of doubt that Milwaukee's popularity as a Gretna Green is on the increase. A few days ago Register of Deeds August Kieckhefer sent a circular to the ministers and Justices that they must record all marriages promptly or he would be compelled to bring them before the court and have them fined. The law provides a fine of $100 or imprisonment for six months in the county jail for failure or neglect in registering a marriage. The Polish and some German ministers were negligent in this regard, but the determined stand of the Register of Deeds has brought them to time, and during the last few days the office has been deluged with marriage records. These records show a strange state of affairs. Although it is conceded this year has been an exceptionally bad one and employment hard to obtain, yet marriages are on the increase. During 1893, 3,000 marriages were performed in Milwaukee County. Thus far in 1894, 2,400 marriages have been recorded and some of the clergymen have not recorded a marriage in eight months. The delays which have occurred in the recording of marriages in this county have been shameful. It is a common thing to have a marriage run for two, three, or five years without being recorded, and the other day a man walked into the office with the record of a marriage performed in 1843. The Register of Deeds will not give out the names of the delinquent clergymen. He said, however, he had the most trouble with the Rev. Mr. Adelberg, who did not record a marriage in eight months. This clergyman brought in a list of over 300 marriages last January, at which he had officiated during the preceeding year. Justice of the Peace Walthers, a few days ago, brought in a batch of fifty-six certificates at one time. The Rev. J. J. Keogh of St. John's Cathedral is also among the delinquents. The Polish Catholic priests have to be notified often to make them comply with the law and register marriages promptly. Some few are prompt in complying with the law. Complain of Chicago People. While the Register of Deeds complains of the clergymen and Justices, they in turn make bitter complaints against the Chicago people who come here to be married, claiming they are a cheap lot who do not want to pay full price for the happiness they seek. Some of the Justices are of the opinion Chicago grooms have formed a combine and are determined not to pay more than $2 a knot. Justice Hayden, speaking of the poor remuneration he receives for Chicago marriages, said: "I have had more $2 marriages this summer than I ever thought I would have and I am puzzled to know the secret of it. These $2 fees are so regular it has become monotonous. Possibly they are because of the hard times and the Pullman strike. The young men seem to be hard up. Nearly every groom this summer has asked 'How much?' I have evaded the question, but my modesty has never except in one or two instances been rewarded by more than a $2 fee. These young fellows feel so extremely happy themselves they seem to forget all about making the poor Justice happy." Justice McWorther has had the same experience as Justice Hayden. He has been deluged with $2 fees and the other day a Chicago groom gave him $1.50 as he whispered in his ear, "Is that enough?" "No," thundered the Justice, "it is not enough," and fresh blushes came on the face of the bride, while the groom stood confused for a moment. It was only a moment, however, and he took his bride by the arm and led her out, leaving the Justice gazing at the $1.50. The Whaleback is responsible for these cheap marriages. It costs $2 for a license in Chicago, while no licenses are required here. The $2 will pay for a wedding trip on the Whaleback. The Chicago young man who wants to get married can do so by coming to Milwaukee. The expenses are: Round trip for two on steamer...$2.00 Splicing by Milwaukee Justice....2.00 Street car fare and incidentals..1.00 _______________ Total...................$5.00 This is cheap and besides the young man has not to go to the expense of giving a reception and entertaining his friends at a big celebration. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! 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Thanks, this is really helpful to know! Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginger Frere" <gfrere@informationdiggers.com> To: <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Chicago couples married in Milwaukee 1894 > Many couples married in locations other than Chicago for a whole range of > reasons. If you don't find the marriages you're looking for in Cook > County, > you should try these popular spots: > > Lake County, IN > > Porter County, IN > > Berrien County, MI > > Van Buren County, MI > > Kenosha County, WI > > Milwaukee County, WI > > Racine County, WI > > > > I wrote an article about "Gretna Greens" for the Newberry Library Weblog > some time ago. You might find it interesting. > > http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/news/default.asp?postid=490 > > > > Ginger > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-COOK-CHICAGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message