Cheryl, The address was already 5th Avenue in the 1900 and still 5th Avenue in 1910 census. In 1920 (Ward 30, ED # 1850) was shown as Wells. So if you show the address as Atlantic in 1892 - It would have changed from Atlantic to 5th Avenue between 1892 and 1900 and then changed to Wells between 1910 and 1920. The address number would NOT have changed as 47xx South was not effected by the 1909 number changes. Good Luck in your search... Go SOX ... (and BRAVES...) Bob Atlanta, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: cheryl kale To: [email protected] Sent: 10/8/2005 8:11:20 PM Subject: RE: [IL-CHICAGO] STREET ADDRESSES Hi Bob and Dave, Thanks for your replies. Yes, I did hit shift by accident! If an address was 5th Ave in 1900, would it have been Atlantic in 1892? I'm doing a naturalization look-up for someone, and the archives charge $9 for these darn records that don't show much. I don't want to get the wrong record for him. Though the street NUMBERS changed in 1909, the street NAMES changed on several different occasions, but the CHS name change document didn't give dates. Go SOX!!!! Cheryl Bob Grimm <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Cheryl, I assume you accidently hit the shift key and that your "%th Avenue" should have been "5th Avenue".. If so, Atlantic became 5th Ave. and later became S. WELLS ST., which is the current street name. Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [Original Message] > From: cheryl kale > To: > Date: 10/8/2005 5:47:34 PM > Subject: [IL-CHICAGO] STREET ADDRESSES > > Hi List, > > I'm confused about these street addresses, and don't know when the names changed on them. > > I have a naturalization from 1897 containing the address 4750 Atlantic. I have a 1900 census >giving an address of 4715 %th Ave. Would this be the same block? The street name changes >document doesn't list the dates of changes. > > Thanks for any assistance you can give. > > Cheryl > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

Hi Cheryl, I assume you accidently hit the shift key and that your "%th Avenue" should have been "5th Avenue".. If so, Atlantic became 5th Ave. and later became S. WELLS ST., which is the current street name. Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [Original Message] > From: cheryl kale <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/8/2005 5:47:34 PM > Subject: [IL-CHICAGO] STREET ADDRESSES > > Hi List, > > I'm confused about these street addresses, and don't know when the names changed on them. > > I have a naturalization from 1897 containing the address 4750 Atlantic. I have a 1900 census >giving an address of 4715 %th Ave. Would this be the same block? The street name changes >document doesn't list the dates of changes. > > Thanks for any assistance you can give. > > Cheryl >

Gee Cheryl, I find in the 1909 Address Change no mention of Atlantic. It lists Astor, then Attrill. And no "Percent" as in %. It lists Peoria then Perry. What do you think the "%" means? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: cheryl kale To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: [IL-CHICAGO] STREET ADDRESSES Hi List, I'm confused about these street addresses, and don't know when the names changed on them. I have a naturalization from 1897 containing the address 4750 Atlantic. I have a 1900 census giving an address of 4715 %th Ave. Would this be the same block? The street name changes document doesn't list the dates of changes. Thanks for any assistance you can give. Cheryl --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi List, I'm confused about these street addresses, and don't know when the names changed on them. I have a naturalization from 1897 containing the address 4750 Atlantic. I have a 1900 census giving an address of 4715 %th Ave. Would this be the same block? The street name changes document doesn't list the dates of changes. Thanks for any assistance you can give. Cheryl --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

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This is on the Newberry Library "Genealogy News" page: http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/news/ 10/1/2005 Study Up on School Records for Success Originally published in The FOGCutter Volume 6, Issue 1, January 2002. Study Up on School Records for Success By Grace Dumelle Chicago Board of Education materials can be a treasure trove for information on living as well as deceased persons. Public school records in other cities and towns also have similar types of information on teachers and students. The Newberry holds annual reports of the Board of Education starting in 1859 (call no. I68926.27). The early years of these reports list teachers’ names, the school they worked at, and their home addresses. Later years often include photographs of newly built schools and other points of pride — the 1899 volume, for example, contains many interior views, such as a kindergarten classroom and an assembly hall. The Board of Education Proceedings (call no. I68962.26) lists names of all elementary, high school, and teachers’ college graduates each school year. The 1933-34 volume continuing through the 1971-72 volume lists birthdates for all elementary-school graduates. As you probably know, the Cook County Birth Index ends in 1916. But the Proceedings list birthdates from 1913-1959, making them a marvelous source for still-living persons. For example, I used the Proceedings to locate a long-lost relative for a client in Sweden. The client wanted to find his half-sister Viola in Chicago. He wasn’t sure if she was still alive and had very little to go on. He gave me a few addresses in the old Swedish neighborhood around Belmont and Clark, where his father lived with his first wife and daughter Viola before returning to Sweden and starting a new family in the late 1930s. He wasn’t sure of Viola’s mother’s name, or the date when his father married her. He didn’t know Viola’s married name. But he knew Viola graduated from high school in 1944, though he didn’t know which one. All the relatives that could have supplied information were dead. Working on the high school angle, I went to the Harold Washington Library Center and looked at the Proceedings for 1944-45 (the Newberry’s holdings end with 1916-17) for possible high schools based on where the family lived. Sure enough, Viola was listed at Lake View High School. In the 1939-40 volume, I pored through the elementary school listings. Viola’s distinctive first name enabled me to pick her out of all the other students of the same last name and get her birthdate. With this and authorization from my client, I was able to get a copy of her birth certificate listing her parents. I was then able to obtain her parents correct marriage record. The next step was to find out what had happened to Viola since 1944. I contacted the high school to see if they had old school records or yearbooks that might indicate Viola’s post-graduation plans. They had something better — an alumni association. Its president told me Viola was on his mailing list — the first indication I had that she was still alive. He allowed me to forward a letter to her, and she contacted me a few days after she received it. Viola was “thunderstruck” to learn her half-brother was searching for her. She consented to his writing her, and now they are in regular contact. It just goes to show you how studying school records can bring together people thousands of miles apart. Ellen Plourde http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~opindex/

Does anyone know if these groups are still alive and these museums-JEWISH PEOPLE INSTITUTION-CHICAGO SOCIETY OF ARTISTS-AROUND THE PALETTE RENAISSANCE SOCIETY OF U AND C WHITNEY MUSEUM OF ART,PENNSIVAN ACADEMY OF FINE ARTS BROOKLYN MUSIEM

I just received an email from another mailing list about a new site that lets you search an index for individuals who came to the US through Castle Garden between 1830-1890. Castle Garden was the processing center for immigration into New York before Ellis Island was established. There are still some problems with the search engine such as clearing an entry to start a new search but it is a great resource. http://castlegarden.org/ -Brenda G.

I just received an email from another mailing list about a new site that lets you search an index for individuals who came to the US through Castle Garden between 1830-1890. Castle Garden was the processing center for immigration into New York before Ellis Island was established. There are still some proplems with the search engine such as clearing an entry to start a new search but it is a great resource. http://castlegarden.org/ -Brenda G.

Brenda! Thank you! So far I found an ancestor and I'm sure many of his relatives. Thanks again, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: cgaetz To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: [IL-CHICAGO] Castle Garden I just received an email from another mailing list about a new site that lets you search an index for individuals who came to the US through Castle Garden between 1830-1890. Castle Garden was the processing center for immigration into New York before Ellis Island was established. There are still some proplems with the search engine such as clearing an entry to start a new search but it is a great resource. http://castlegarden.org/ -Brenda G.

Hi Judith and Gloria Don't forget that LDS has filmed most of these parishes. You can rent them and browse through them yourself rather than wait for a reply from the archives. They are usually swamped. Also, if you find one relative, chances are that you will find more in the same parish. Happy Hunting!. Cheryl Judith Mason <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Gloria, I don't have an 1860 ward map, so here's what was in the approximate are of Ward 5 in 1860 (from the 1870 ward 5 map). St. Bridget at Archer St. and Archer Ave. Founded 1847 as a mission of St. Patrick's (Randolph & DesPlaines). Closed 1990. Records at the Archdiocese Archives and Record Center. St. James at 2942 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 60616; 312-842-1919. Founded in 1855. Records at the church. Old St. John at 18th. and Clark Sts. Founded 1859. Closed 1962. Records at the Archdiocese Archives and Record Center Hope this is what you needed. Judie Mason Chicago Gloria Osborne wrote: Can anyone tell me where I can find a list of Irish Churches in the 5th ward of Chicago in 1860? Gloria ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Hi Gloria, I don't have an 1860 ward map, so here's what was in the approximate are of Ward 5 in 1860 (from the 1870 ward 5 map). St. Bridget at Archer St. and Archer Ave. Founded 1847 as a mission of St. Patrick's (Randolph & DesPlaines). Closed 1990. Records at the Archdiocese Archives and Record Center. St. James at 2942 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 60616; 312-842-1919. Founded in 1855. Records at the church. Old St. John at 18th. and Clark Sts. Founded 1859. Closed 1962. Records at the Archdiocese Archives and Record Center Hope this is what you needed. Judie Mason Chicago Gloria Osborne <[email protected]> wrote: Can anyone tell me where I can find a list of Irish Churches in the 5th ward of Chicago in 1860? Gloria ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

LDS to put microfilm on Internet...eventually Cheryl, More info about the LDS project from Kristy. Thanks again Kristy, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristy Gravlin To: zz.IL INT GROUP* - 94050910 Cc: .gen group--32050905 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: LDS to put microfilm on Internet...eventually Hoping this may be helpful to you, Kristy -- from the Illinois Interest Group [Drop me a note to cancel this kind of mail] Found this note on my email....This article was published on the GFO list. If you have already read it there, never mind. (I just don't know who does not get that list...probably some of you...but?) And the "In Illinois" group is not likely to have seen it. Plus I wrote to a few scattered genealogists with whom I keep in contact. It is news of major proportion in regard to how we will, someday, be able to get information that the LDS has on file. Kristy /\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\./\/\. ---------- LDS to put microfilm in vaults on Internet Huge effort planned to index family history data By Carrie A. Moore (http://deseretnews.com/dn/staff/card/1,1228,103,00.html) Deseret Morning News Ever wonder what's inside those secured vaults, owned by the LDS Church, positioned high inside the granite walls of Little Cottonwood Canyon? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is working toward allowing anyone with Internet access to learn more than they've ever known before about the information contained on 2 million-plus rolls of microfilm housed there. Currently, the church is compiling searchable indexes to that information and will eventually make it available for free through an automated database on the Internet. The church excavated the vaults containing those records on property it purchased in the 1960s, providing a safe repository during the height of the Cold War for birth, marriage, death and census information it considers essential for the salvation of mankind after death. Now church leaders seek to make the information more readily available to the world. "The goal is to create (Internet-accessible) indexes to all the films we have in the vault. That's a long-term process and that's a lot of films," according to Paul Nauta, manager of public affairs for church's _FamilySearch.org_ (http://familysearch.org/) Web site. "We've not announced when people will begin to start seeing" the indexes. Those attending the annual Federation of Genealogical Societies' conference this week at the Salt Palace will get a "sneak preview" of the church's plans. As the project progresses over time, indexes to records from 110 nations previously stored on microfilm will become accessible to virtually anyone, anywhere, through the Internet via the touch of a few keystrokes. "We're showing people how we'll be creating indexes from those films. Sometime in the future we'll ask people to help us create the indexes and make them publicly available, and little by little we'll start to index the films from the vault like we did with the 1880 (U.S.) Census. "The challenge now is it takes a lot of people and a lot of time" to create such an index. "Currently, you have to look at images on paper or burn them on a CD and distribute those to index the data. We're moving the whole process to the Internet and this is a prototype of what that might look like. . . . That's what the biggest buzz is at the conference." Conference attendees are using a lab at the Salt Palace equipped with a number of computers to demonstrate the new automated database. The microfilm information includes birth, marriage, death and census records. New advances in indexing software utilities and applications mean the LDS Church "now has the ability to produce lots of indexes faster," than it did with previous databases it has digitized, including the 1880 U.S. Census. Making that database available online was a 12-year project, using tens of thousands of volunteers. In the future, the new technology "will provide automated indexing" for an ever-increasing number of microfilms "so people can readily search it from their homes." As the number of family history researchers continues to grow < one study showed 40 percent of Americans have done research on their family history and another said 90 percent have expressed interest < demand for online indexes that simplify searching for ancestors has soared, he said. How much time will it take to digitize all the films in the vault? "Let's put it this way, it will depend on how much volunteer help we get," Nauta said. "I think we can digitize the films to be indexed to stay up with demand, but much will depend on how many volunteers we can generate worldwide to index their records of interest. If, in a couple of years, we could get a million indexers worldwide, we could put a big dent" in the massive undertaking. The indexing demonstration and other planned improvements to the popular FamilySearch.org <http://familysearch.org/> Web site are drawing standing-room-only crowds at the convention. The changes "will make great strides to simplify and increase the success of the family history experience," he said. Just when the first indexed information from the microfilms will become available online has not yet been announced. "We don't want to be swamped with people before we're ready to handle it," Nauta said. The new developments won't make more than 5,000 small family history centers housed in LDS chapels worldwide obsolete. Previously, those looking for information contained on the microfilms stored in the church's Granite Mountain Records Vault had to request that copies of information on the films be sent to their local center. At some point in the future, that likely won't be necessary any longer, he said, but "that will continue to be a role for a long time. Family history centers will continue to be a mainstay" for accessing information on the microfilms for some time to come. As more of those records become digitized and indexes become available, the role of the local centers, he said, "will probably change. Some people have no Internet access, and they'll use them for that. The role of the family history centers will evolve over time to help people "get started" with their research because "many people don't know how to do that. They will become more fundamental to help people get and stay organized, and to answer questions they have doing their research." Many of those in town to attend the conference are also making use of the church's renowned Family History Library, less than a block from the Salt Palace. Hours have been extended to accommodate guests, with the library open from 8 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. through Saturday. "It's an exciting time for family history," Nauta said. "Those just developing this kind of research as a hobby will never have any appreciation for how far this industry has evolved, even in the past 10 years." This is the link to the actual article. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,605153189,00.html

Hi All, I'm passing this on from the Irish in Chicago list, who passed it from the Kerry list. Since this concerns all, not just Irish, I wanted to make sure you see the latest. I sure wish I could go to that convention! I heard about this project a copuple of years ago, and we discussed it on the Cook list, but at that point it was all hearsay. Now we KNOW it's TRUE! I hope this happens in my lifetime. <G> Cheryl Nan Brennan <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nan Brennan <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:24:09 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [Irish in Chicago] LDS online data project Passing this on from the Kerry Board. ate: September 12, 2005 1:53:19 PM CDT To: [email protected] Interesting article about LDS plan to put all their microfilmed data on line for free. Would obviously take a lot of time but would use volunteers worldwide. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,605153189,00.html Larry ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Can anyone tell me where I can find a list of Irish Churches in the 5th ward of Chicago in 1860? Gloria

Sep 4, 2005 10:16 pm US/CentralInside Chicago: Mystery Schooner In Lake MichiganWreck In Lake Michigan Dates Back to 1800s Vince Gerasole(CBS) CHICAGO Tom Palmisano is going back in time, back to an era whenhundreds of wooden schooners filled our bustling harbors every day,making Chicago the busiest port in the country. The shipwreck that Palmisano is diving on is one of the many vesselsthat sank in fierce Lake Michigan storms. But this wreck, dating backto the late 1800s, is a very rare find. "Normally our shipwrecks are in bad shape," Palmisano said."Fortunately, this ship is very far out, very deep, and well preservedby the freshwater that it's in." It's so intact that even after a century, the masts and rigging arestill attached "Everything's there. It's a time capsule from 115 years ago," saidTaras Lyssenko with A & T Recovery. Lyssenko found this shipwreck when he was surveying the lake bottomfor old Navy aircraft. There on his sonar, undetectable to theuntrained eye, was a distinct schooner-like shape. "If you look close there's the back end, this is the bow. This stuffis rigging," Lyssenko said. While Lyssenko may have found the wreck, he hasn't found conclusiveproof of its identity. But he has a hunch. "We have a pretty educated guess that its length matches, its widthmatches, its depth matches … a good chance that it's the Thomas Hume,"he said. The lumber schooner, Thomas Hume, nearly identical to this ship, waslast seen leaving Chicago on May 21, 1891, bound for her home port ofMuskegon. Newspapers reported her missing in a spring storm, and notrace of the vessel or her crew of seven was ever found until lastmonth. In order to verify the wreck as the Hume, divers will have to find theship's registration number carved somewhere on the deck. A difficulttask that will involve scraping off thousands of zebra mussels. Forhistory buff and diver Palmissano, it's a labor of love. "It's always a working project. Every time we go down we learn moreabout the ship," Palmisano said. Lyssenko and his group hope to conclusively identify the mystery shipin the next couple of months.

Ellen, Thanks for your info. I'm not complaining about the site's wonderful results, but commenting. Dave Witthans =================================== Check the results carefully, because the data may not always be correct. I checked for one Ancestor's name and received one hit. Probable errors: The spelling of the names in the Case Description left off one letter, "c", which was in the Details. It was supposed to have taken place in 1904, but the Details said it was related to prohibition. Was there more than one prohibition in Chicago? Question: Shouldn't the name of the spouse of the victim be given, especially the husband's name? And perhaps the name of the defendant's spouse be given? ===================================== Case Description Pollak, Mrs. Rose, shot dead, 703 Throop St., by her brother-in-law, John Pollak, who immediately committed suicide by shooting. 22d Prect. Case Number 1925 Circumstances Date of offense January 3, 1904 Date of death January 3, 1904 Time between offense and death Immediate - death occurred at the crime scene Address 703 Throop st. Type of location Residence Type of residence Residence (Don't know whose) Type of death Homicide Type of homicide Intentional murder Method of killing Other gun, gun unspecified Weapon shot dead Murder/suicide? Yes Circumstances description Family quarrel Total number of victims 1 Related to Prohibition? Yes Victim Name Pollack, Rose Gender Female Race White Ethnicity Other, european Victim/defendant relationship Other family relationship Related by blood or marriage Other-in-law relationship Defendant Name Pollack, John Gender Male Race White Ethnicity Other, european Defendant/victim relationship Family (include in laws, multi-generations, step relations) Related by blood or marriage Other-in-law relationship Police Precinct 22 Total number of defendants arrested 1 Defendant ID'd at scene Defendant identified by someone else at scene Allegations of police corruption No Legal Charges against defendant No charges recorded Type of legal decision recorded None Allegations of police corruption No ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Plourde To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: [IL-CHICAGO] Homicides IN Chicago http://homicide.northwestern.edu/ A FASCINATING site: some people at Northwestern took the Homicide Index from IRAD and did some stories. Maybe you can find someone you're related to? An excerpt from the home page: The years between 1870 and 1930 marked the emergence of Chicago as a dominant American city, undergoing some of the most dramatic and extensive social, political and economic changes in our national history. Against this backdrop we present a unique record - the Chicago Police Department Homicide Record Index - chronicling 11,000 homicides in the city during those years. Leigh Bienen, Senior Lecturer in the School of Law at Northwestern University and the Director of the Chicago Historical Homicide Project, and her colleagues created both a sequential text file and a quantitative database from these handwritten records. The first academic publications from this work are published in Northwestern University School of Law's Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Vol. 92, No.s 3/4. For our academic audience we provide this research, and both the case summaries and the coded quantitative database for your use and further research. For the public, we invite you not only to interact with this searchable database, but also to explore some of the more fascinating aspects of the 25 cases highlighted here; and to explore the historical context - with emphasis on the rule of law - of these crimes and cases. Ellen Plourde http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~opindex/

"For the public, we invite you not only to interact with this searchable database, but also to explore some of the more fascinating aspects of the 25 cases highlighted here; and to explore the historical context – with emphasis on the rule of law – of these crimes and cases." http://homicide.northwestern.edu/ Elaine > Can you find any information on my > cousin,Aaron Weintraub,who was gunned down > November 13,1920

Can you find any information on my cousin,Aaron Weintraub,who was gunned down November 13,1920

http://homicide.northwestern.edu/ A FASCINATING site: some people at Northwestern took the Homicide Index from IRAD and did some stories. Maybe you can find someone you're related to? An excerpt from the home page: The years between 1870 and 1930 marked the emergence of Chicago as a dominant American city, undergoing some of the most dramatic and extensive social, political and economic changes in our national history. Against this backdrop we present a unique record – the Chicago Police Department Homicide Record Index – chronicling 11,000 homicides in the city during those years. Leigh Bienen, Senior Lecturer in the School of Law at Northwestern University and the Director of the Chicago Historical Homicide Project, and her colleagues created both a sequential text file and a quantitative database from these handwritten records. The first academic publications from this work are published in Northwestern University School of Law's Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Vol. 92, No.s 3/4. For our academic audience we provide this research, and both the case summaries and the coded quantitative database for your use and further research. For the public, we invite you not only to interact with this searchable database, but also to explore some of the more fascinating aspects of the 25 cases highlighted here; and to explore the historical context – with emphasis on the rule of law – of these crimes and cases. Ellen Plourde http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~opindex/