sorry for confusion... i know that from the phillipines... this luzon/luzan place... that the dead were not returned home IMMEDIATELY... dont know why exactly buti know that it happened based on my own research... and in my case, i found it using the cemetery as the starting point.. not the other way around as in sharons case... she found the PLACE after she found out abut the delay.... so my point...is if you see something in a death record at a church or at a cemetery and it shows a burial significantly after the death, consider an earlier place fore additional information... reinterments are not frequent BUT when they do occur in non-military instances there is usually a court record or some correspondence between the cemeteries and or the funeral homes and OTHER names may be involved that can offer more avenues to research..... when i said excellent.. it was as a follow up to my suggestion that if people found a name in the link that i submitted that was of help to post it to the list so that others can SEE what is available as well as building the archives with INFORMATION..not just hints and links... is this better? On 1/15/06, Dave Witthans <[email protected]> wrote: > > As usual, I don't understand. > > Sharon said in her original message that Robert died in 1945 and was returned to the states in 1948. > > Valentine said: > > "excellent... in that you looked and posted info... > but also that there was a delay in the return of the body to the States.... > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the world... > > but it is something that researchers can scout...." > > I thought you meant the "cause" of the delay, which is what I meant in my inquiry. > > What else are researchers supposed to research? > > Then Valentine replies to look at the "date of burial vs date of death". > > I give up... Dave Witthans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: .... valentine53179 > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII robert hillman > > > usually it can be found in the cemetery records... > date of burial vs date of death.... > but there are notices also in the obits..... > and in private papers.... > > > > On 1/15/06, Dave Witthans <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sharon - You say in the first paragraph that you "...found out the delay...". > > > > Can you relay it to us? Thanks, Dave Witthans > > > > P.S. Valentine sure makes for a lot of work sometimes, eh? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII robert hillman > > > > > > Val, > > > > It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I > > found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and > > where he was killed. > > > > I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very > > faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with > > 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his > > father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept > > saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried > > between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block > > #10, Lot 31]. > > > > I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was > > listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing > > Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably > > never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that > > was the date of burial. > > > > Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. > > WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is > > Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in > > ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. > > > > So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of > > my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I > > could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different > > name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > excellent... > > > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > > > in the return of the body to the States.... > > > > > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > > > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > > > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > To: > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > > > WWII > > > > > > > > > Hi Val, > > > > > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > > > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > > > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > > > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > > > > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > > > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > > > until 1948. > > > > > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > > > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > > > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > > > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > > > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > > > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > > > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > > > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > > > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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As usual, I don't understand. Sharon said in her original message that Robert died in 1945 and was returned to the states in 1948. Valentine said: "excellent... in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay in the return of the body to the States.... I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the world... but it is something that researchers can scout...." I thought you meant the "cause" of the delay, which is what I meant in my inquiry. What else are researchers supposed to research? Then Valentine replies to look at the "date of burial vs date of death". I give up... Dave Witthans ----- Original Message ----- From: .... valentine53179 To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII robert hillman usually it can be found in the cemetery records... date of burial vs date of death.... but there are notices also in the obits..... and in private papers.... On 1/15/06, Dave Witthans <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sharon - You say in the first paragraph that you "...found out the delay...". > > Can you relay it to us? Thanks, Dave Witthans > > P.S. Valentine sure makes for a lot of work sometimes, eh? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII robert hillman > > > Val, > > It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I > found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and > where he was killed. > > I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very > faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with > 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his > father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept > saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried > between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block > #10, Lot 31]. > > I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was > listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing > Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably > never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that > was the date of burial. > > Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. > WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is > Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in > ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. > > So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of > my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I > could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different > name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > excellent... > > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > > in the return of the body to the States.... > > > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > To: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > > WWII > > > > > > Hi Val, > > > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > > until 1948. > > > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s1396 > > 5/rd.ashx> > >

usually it can be found in the cemetery records... date of burial vs date of death.... but there are notices also in the obits..... and in private papers.... On 1/15/06, Dave Witthans <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sharon - You say in the first paragraph that you "...found out the delay...". > > Can you relay it to us? Thanks, Dave Witthans > > P.S. Valentine sure makes for a lot of work sometimes, eh? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII robert hillman > > > Val, > > It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I > found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and > where he was killed. > > I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very > faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with > 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his > father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept > saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried > between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block > #10, Lot 31]. > > I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was > listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing > Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably > never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that > was the date of burial. > > Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. > WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is > Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in > ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. > > So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of > my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I > could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different > name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > excellent... > > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > > in the return of the body to the States.... > > > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > To: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > > WWII > > > > > > Hi Val, > > > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > > until 1948. > > > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s1396 > > 5/rd.ashx> > > > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

My BIL was killed in Germany in April of 1945. He was buried in an American cemetery in Germany and years later his widow was given the option of having his body brought home. She opted for this and he was given a military funeral here in 1951. His death is listed in the Du Page list. Grace

Sharon - You say in the first paragraph that you "...found out the delay...". Can you relay it to us? Thanks, Dave Witthans P.S. Valentine sure makes for a lot of work sometimes, eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII robert hillman Val, It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and where he was killed. I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block #10, Lot 31]. I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that was the date of burial. Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! Sharon Buethner On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > excellent... > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > in the return of the body to the States.... > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > WWII > > > Hi Val, > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > until 1948. > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s1396 > 5/rd.ashx> > >

and az a side.. i think at one time it would have been considered in DUNNING as a village not as the hospital... On 1/15/06, .... valentine53179 <[email protected]> wrote: > what is that word > hazelcrest in the cemetery reference... > not a PLACE outside of the cemetery i hope... but a place INSIDE the cem.... > as in a SECTION of sorts... > because the IRVING park cem is NOT In hazelcrest... but now is in > chicago/norridge border... > i just did a check and someone is trying to sell a lot in the irving > park cemt in CICERO...(likely will not get a sale...) > > > On 1/15/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Val, > > > > It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I > > found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and > > where he was killed. > > > > I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very > > faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with > > 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his > > father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept > > saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried > > between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block > > #10, Lot 31]. > > > > I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was > > listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing > > Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably > > never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that > > was the date of burial. > > > > Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. > > WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is > > Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in > > ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. > > > > So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of > > my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I > > could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different > > name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > excellent... > > > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > > > in the return of the body to the States.... > > > > > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > > > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > > > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > To: > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > > > WWII > > > > > > > > > Hi Val, > > > > > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > > > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > > > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > > > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > > > > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > > > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > > > until 1948. > > > > > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > > > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > > > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > > > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > > > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > > > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > > > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > > > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > > > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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what is that word hazelcrest in the cemetery reference... not a PLACE outside of the cemetery i hope... but a place INSIDE the cem.... as in a SECTION of sorts... because the IRVING park cem is NOT In hazelcrest... but now is in chicago/norridge border... i just did a check and someone is trying to sell a lot in the irving park cemt in CICERO...(likely will not get a sale...) On 1/15/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Val, > > It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I > found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and > where he was killed. > > I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very > faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with > 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his > father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept > saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried > between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block > #10, Lot 31]. > > I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was > listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing > Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably > never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that > was the date of burial. > > Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. > WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is > Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in > ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. > > So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of > my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I > could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different > name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > excellent... > > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > > in the return of the body to the States.... > > > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > To: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > > WWII > > > > > > Hi Val, > > > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > > until 1948. > > > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Val, It was because of you -- pushing me to make phone calls that I found out the delay in the body being returned to the States, and where he was killed. I have an old, color photo of Robert's stone at the cemetery [very faded]. I examined it with a magnifying glass and came up with 1945 for date of death. I phoned the cemetery for some info on his father & mother, and asked for Robert's dates, too. The gal kept saying "DATE OF BURIAL" is August 18, 1948. Robert is buried between his parents in Irving Park Cemetery [Hazelcrest - Block #10, Lot 31]. I then tracked down the Tribune info -- on March 15, 1945 he was listed as wounded. But it was the obit, August 17, 1948 showing Robert as KIA on March 5, 1945 that tied it all up. And I probably never would have looked for the obit in 1948 if I had not known that was the date of burial. Of course, the obit state his Grandparents, Morgan & Jean Askew. WHO ?? I am still looking for them.... I suspect that Jean Askew is Jenny Lyons Lockard [Robert's maternal Grandmother], who died in ...... Christian County, IL., but have no clue for Morgan.. So Thanks, Val, for pushing me ........ I have also spoken with two of my mother's cousins and one, I found out that the reason that I could not find his mother is 1. she remarried and has a different name and 2. She is still living at 100 years of age!! Sharon Buethner On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:48, .... valentine53179 wrote: > excellent... > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay > in the return of the body to the States.... > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure > the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the > world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > s[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] > WWII > > > Hi Val, > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > until 1948. > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://ww > w.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find > someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the > subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To > unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > [email protected]<mailto:IL-COOK-CHICAGO-D-requ > [email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the > US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last > 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s1396 > 5/rd.ashx> > > > > > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send a message to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > rootsweb.com> that contains (in the body of the message) the command > unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > months. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s1396 > 6/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

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here, some old material... the links may not be valid any more, but try to pursue and do look at CACHE pages Please refer to: http://www.angelfire.com/fm/odyssey/LEYTE_GULF_Summary_of_the_Battle_.htm and http://www.djjp.demon.co.uk/leytegulf.htm http://www.ww2pacific.com/chron.html http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1944/oct44/20oct44.htm http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/III/USMC-III-D.html http://www.worldhistory.com/worldwarii.htm http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWusaA.htm http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/apcmp.htm Reconquest of the Philippines. In the Philippines the principal objective had been Luzon since it was on one of the corners of the so-called strategic triangle. Since it was presumed that the Japanese had massed their principal ground, air, and naval strength in Luzon, United States strategists had planned to gain a foothold first in southernmost Mindanao, then move to Leyte, and finally to Luzon after air supremacy had been gained over that area. But when naval reconnaissance in September 1944 revealed little Japanese activity in the Philippines, Admiral Halsey proposed landing directly on Leyte in October. This change of strategy was quickly approved by the U.S. Chiefs of Staff, who were at that time attending the second Quebec Conference. Strategically the plan was brilliant, because it would force the Japanese to split their forces in the Philippines and practically force the Japanese Combined Fleet to come out in the open to meet the threat. The amphibious assault on Leyte took place on 20 October 1944 with four divisions of the U.S. Sixth Army going in abreast. The invading force included the XXIV Corps from the Central Pacific. Initial opposition was light, but the Japanese who had expected to make their main stand on Luzon decided to shift their remaining air and naval might against the U.S. forces in Leyte. They were also successful for a tame in sending large numbers of ground reinforcements to Leyte, and the Sixth Army found itself engaged in a major struggle. As had been anticipated, the attack on Leyte presented the Japanese navy with a challenge it could not ignore. Gathering together its remaining strength, the Japanese Combined Fleet converged on Leyte Gulf in three columns, and for a time seriously threatened the success of the whole Leyte operation. Actually, the sea battle was a series of engagement's lasting from 23 to 26 October. In the end, Japan's fleet was almost completely destroyed, and for the rest of the war Allied naval forces were in virtual control of the surface of the Pacific. Two months of heavy ground fighting took place in Leyte before American troops had secured parts of the island necessary for air and logistical bases, before the Army Air Forces had gained air superiority, and before naval And air forces had stopped Japanese reinforcing operations. Late in December General MacArthur announced that thereafter the U.S. Eighth Army would assume combat responsibility for the Leyte-Samar area. and http://history.acusd.edu/cdr2/WW2Pics/83241.jpg then scout by date 1994/10/24 and click on the blue copy and paste this 'foreign" info into a translator then convert it to english.... and it should be legible... http://www.ndl.go.jp/jp/data/theme/senryoki/mcj/mcj02-2.html IF SOMEONE on list would like to add a record for ANY WWI vet for the World War II Memorial registry, this is the eaddy... http://www.wwiimemorial.com/registry/edit/donor_nameaddr.asp or http://www.wwiimemorial.com/default.asp?page=registry.asp&subpage=search&drawtable=YES On 1/15/06, .... valentine53179 <[email protected]> wrote: > excellent... > in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay in the return of the body to the States.... > > I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII > > > Hi Val, > > I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in > Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian > County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in > 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. > > Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, > Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States > until 1948. > > Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. > > Sharon Buethner > > > > > On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > > > > if you find someone of our lists, > > post the link and with the name in the subject, eh? > > > > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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excellent... in that you looked and posted info... but also that there was a delay in the return of the body to the States.... I have seen this before... and from this place LUZON... I am not sure the delay is specific to this place or over the battlegrounds of the world... but it is something that researchers can scout.... ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] WWII Hi Val, I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States until 1948. Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. Sharon Buethner On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm<http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm> > > > if you find someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: Send a message to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>

Hi Val, I have a cousin on the WWII List. His parents were living in Chicago at the time of his death, but he is listed on the Christian County list [KIA]. I know that they were in Montgomery County in 1930, and in Chicago in 1948. Robert K. Hillman was killed in action March 5, 1945, Luzon, Philippines. His body was not recovered and returned to the States until 1948. Robert was the only child of my Great Uncle, Walter Hillman. Sharon Buethner On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:12, .... valentine53179 wrote: > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/illinois/index.htm > > > if you find someone of our lists, > post the link and with the name in the subject, eh? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6244927191&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 THIS MUNICIPAL PIER, WHEN BUILT WAS WORLD'S LARGEST OF ITS TYPE. DEVOTED TO COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL PURSUITS, IT WAS 3/4 MILE LONG, AND BUILT BY THE CITY OF CHICAGO, AT THE MOUTH OF THE CHICAGO RIVER. FREE AND OPEN 24/7.

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camp DOUGLAS as Eighty acres of hell.... andersonville was NOT the only place to corner the market on bad war camps

Hi, I seem to recall reading not long ago that somebody maybe had a CD for Sweden, and if so, could I please have a look-up? My Gr Aunt married a Sandell, and I am unable to find his father's name. His mother *may have been* Ida M. Petersen, b. 10 Mar 1866 in Sweden I first find them in the 1900 Census in Chicago Sandell, Ida, 34, Mar 1866, Wd, Imm. 1896, 4 kids born, 4 living. , Erick, 9, July 1890 , Clara, 7, Apr 1893 In 1910, they are living in North Dakota, Cass Co Dahl, Joe, 60, M/2, b. Sweden , Ida, 44, M/2, b. Sweden [4 kids born, 4 living] Sandell, Erick, 18, b. Sweden , Clara, 17, b. Sweden In 1920, they are still in ND .. Dahl, Joseph, 64, b. Sweden , Ida, 53, b. Sweden Petersen, Oscar, 49, Single, b. Sweden, Imm. 1888, NA 1894 [Brother-in-law] 1930, Ida is still in ND, but alone .... Dahl, Ida M., 64, Wd, Sweden, 1895 [Servant for Anton Seruel] Ida M. Sandell passed away in Cass Co., ND 3 July 1949 [interesting that took the Sandell name back]. Erick Sandell's Draft Card states that he was born in Kalmor, Sweden on July 8, 1891. My Gr Aunt, Maria Elizabeth Kurtz married [1924] Erick [who went by the name Edward Sandell and by the 1930 Census said he was born in IL. I suspect that neither he nor his mother became US citizens, and he just started using Edward, born in IL. I knew him, and way back in my mind, I know the name Erick, Ida and Clara with this family. Who is the father of Erick & Clara? And what happened to the other two children?? Did they remain in Sweden? Any help will be greatly appreciated .......... Sharon Buethner

Dear Molly and Nancy - My friend and I thank you for your descriptions. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Molly Kennedy To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] Off Topic? - Is there a Wake Before you die? My Mom's younger sister - who died in 1974, aged 42 - planned her wake - to be a 3-day party, complete with she & her husband's favorite New Orleans Dixieland brass band, a beer truck parked in the family driveway, and favorite family foods served 24/7. Aunt Ginger had already had hosted several of these types of parties, and everybody enjoyed that they could move around the house, the wrap-around porch, & the large yard, mixing & mingling with all types of people, sharing funny stories & great times. She always said that's what she wanted for her wake -- so people she loved would enjoy and relish the joy of her life & family - and not be "wailing in the shadows". - and that's what her husband & daughters did for her "last hurrah". No fears - lots of tears - but they were tears of joy. molly Molly Kennedy P O Box 5785 Springfield, IL 62705 www.mollx.com Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living. =========================== >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] Off Topic? - Is there a Wake Before you die? >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:58:52 +0000 > >They use to have them in Ireland the night before the person was to leave >for America because they knew they would most likely never see that person >again. My husband's cousin had one for himself a few years ago before he >died. He invited all the special people he want to say something to. > >Nancy > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Dave Witthans" <[email protected]> > > A friend wants to have a type of Irish Wake, except this person wants to > be alive at the time. > > > > (The illness has targeted an expected time of demise.) > > > > An "Irish Wake" is one where everyone is having a good time after > departure and remembering the good old times. > > > > Is there a name or description for a "Live" Irish Wake?

My Mom's younger sister - who died in 1974, aged 42 - planned her wake - to be a 3-day party, complete with she & her husband's favorite New Orleans Dixieland brass band, a beer truck parked in the family driveway, and favorite family foods served 24/7. Aunt Ginger had already had hosted several of these types of parties, and everybody enjoyed that they could move around the house, the wrap-around porch, & the large yard, mixing & mingling with all types of people, sharing funny stories & great times. She always said that's what she wanted for her wake -- so people she loved would enjoy and relish the joy of her life & family - and not be "wailing in the shadows". - and that's what her husband & daughters did for her "last hurrah". No fears - lots of tears - but they were tears of joy. molly Molly Kennedy P O Box 5785 Springfield, IL 62705 www.mollx.com Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] Off Topic? - Is there a Wake Before you die? >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:58:52 +0000 > >They use to have them in Ireland the night before the person was to leave >for America because they knew they would most likely never see that person >again. My husband's cousin had one for himself a few years ago before he >died. He invited all the special people he want to say something to. > >Nancy > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: "Dave Witthans" <[email protected]> > > > > > A friend wants to have a type of Irish Wake, except this person wants to >be > > alive at the time. > > > > (The illness has targeted an expected time of demise.) > > > > An "Irish Wake" is one where everyone is having a good time after >departure and > > remembering the good old times. > > > > Is there a name or description for a "Live" Irish Wake? > > > > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: Send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > >==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe: Send a message to >[email protected] >that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

They use to have them in Ireland the night before the person was to leave for America because they knew they would most likely never see that person again. My husband's cousin had one for himself a few years ago before he died. He invited all the special people he want to say something to. Nancy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dave Witthans" <[email protected]> > > A friend wants to have a type of Irish Wake, except this person wants to be > alive at the time. > > (The illness has targeted an expected time of demise.) > > An "Irish Wake" is one where everyone is having a good time after departure and > remembering the good old times. > > Is there a name or description for a "Live" Irish Wake? > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

A friend wants to have a type of Irish Wake, except this person wants to be alive at the time. (The illness has targeted an expected time of demise.) An "Irish Wake" is one where everyone is having a good time after departure and remembering the good old times. Is there a name or description for a "Live" Irish Wake?