Thanks Pat, Tim In a message dated 3/25/2006 11:16:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: OR, just e-mail Molly Kennedy with the information that Cynthia gave you. She does lookups all the time at the Illinois State Archives at Springfield and only charges $4.00 per death record + postage. Her web site with information is www.mollx.com. She has had some storm damage in the past week or two, but should be getting back on her feet now. Pat Hansen

Looking for the Death Record of Albert Lanis YOUNG who died in Chicago in 1928. Thanks, Tim Spradling

OR, just e-mail Molly Kennedy with the information that Cynthia gave you. She does lookups all the time at the Illinois State Archives at Springfield and only charges $4.00 per death record + postage. Her web site with information is www.mollx.com. She has had some storm damage in the past week or two, but should be getting back on her feet now. Pat Hansen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IL-CHICAGO] Death Record Looking for the Death Record of Albert Lanis YOUNG who died in Chicago in 1928. Thanks, Tim Spradling ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Here's the IL Statewide Death Index entry http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html YOUNG ALBERT L M/W UNK 6020138 1928-06-25 COOK CHICAGO 28-06-26 You could use this information to get a copy from the Cook County Clerk or the Illinois State Department of Public Health BUT there are quicker, less expensive ways to get the records. Check the Cook County GenWeb site for some ideas. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcook/Lookups/lookups.htm Or, just order in the reel at your local Family History Center. Cynthia > Looking for the Death Record of Albert Lanis YOUNG who died in Chicago in > 1928. Thanks, Tim Spradling

I'm looking for any information on Harris Timerman, wife Ida, son Harris and grandson John Huston Timmerman. The 2 Harris Timerman's were doctors Any help greatly appreciated Jane Glaser

Good Morning List, Here is the latest update on the New Jersey vital records bill. Thank you for your help and interest. We are almost there!! Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: Joan M Lowry [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GSNJ] A1390 Legislation Update (long) Hello Everyone Time for an update on the Assembly Bill we all love to hate! (A-1390, the vital records access legislation) However, this time the news is good! Please forward this message to other lists, as you did with our original emails on this issue. On Tuesday, 3/21/06, Assemblywoman Joan Quigley met with two representatives from GSNJ and one from the Advocates for NJ History. GSNJ was represented by Barbara Babcock and me, Joan Lowry. (Barbara is the GSNJ member who got the whole meeting ball rolling. Thank you Barbara for all your help!) The representative for the Advocates was their lobbyist (yes, a real live lobbyist!), Judy Shaw. The meeting went exceptionally well and I was very glad to have these two more politically experienced hands on board for the meeting. Assemblywoman Quigley was very pleasant and more than willing to entertain our suggestions. I felt that she was open and interested and that she was upfront with us. She readily agreed that the years we suggested remain readily accessible (80 years for births, 50 for marriages and 40 for deaths) were more than reasonable. She seemed to suggest that adding in language that states that allows for informational or non-certified copies within those guidelines would be no problem. She also said that she had no problem with simply deleting the section that said no sharing or disclosing the information. In addition, we discussed the possibility of further changing the bill, using language that was recently drafted by the Advocates and GSNJ with guidance and input from the NJ State Archives. It might be possible to basically redraft the whole bill and make it a really good bill from all viewpoints. This language is not yet posted anywhere. It may be fairly soon - and, when it is, I'll let you know. The new language would make more clear what records would be "restricted" and who and how people would be able to get those more recent records. It would also make clear what records would remain and become available and allow for more ready access to them. The newer language we suggested also includes language that would allow for (or actually require) the Dept of Health to turn over more of the older records to the archives. This would continue to make them available to the public to search and would allow for archives staff (rather than the Health Dept) to service the mail requests for copies of the records. Assemblywoman Quigley was interested in the proposal and promised to consider the newer suggestions. We offered to be available to work with her (and her staff) on the language if she wanted and suggested that we would be glad to answer any questions that might arise. She offered to allow us to see a draft of the new language before it gets released so that we can make sure that it meets our needs. All in all, it was a very positive meeting with a legislator who was responsive to our needs and anticipates working with us to (try to) make everyone happy. GSNJ and the Advocates for NJ History will stay in touch with Assemblywoman Quigley's office and will make sure that progress continues to be made. Assemblywoman Quigley, however, is also on the Assembly Budget Committee and she and her staff will have their hands fairly full over the next few weeks with the budget battle. We won't let them forget about us - but can't push too hard right away. For now - we do suggest that if you have already written - please hold off on making further contacts until they have a chance to consider what we gave them. If you haven't already written, please contact Assemblywoman Quigley's office and offer your support of our proposed changes You also could mention that you appreciate her willingness to be so responsive to our concerns. I have many off-list emails from list members that haven't been answered on this issue yet. I hope this may answer some of your questions and do promise to try to get to all the individual emails as soon as I can. Thank you all for your help, concern, contacts, and willingness to be involved in the process. Joan M. Lowry, President Genealogical Society of New Jersey mailto:[email protected] website: www.gsnj.org ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== GSNJ Newsletter: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/newsletter.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. 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In a message dated 3/22/2006 3:00:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dave & I were wondering, if the mother was pregnant with the second son when she left England,could this son claim to be born in England ?? Another question, would you have to prove where you were born when you registered for the WW1 Draft? Regards Darlene Darlene, Conception in one country does not give right of citizenship via birth. Sounds like they made the story of place of birth work for them.. That was fairly easy to do, since getting papers proving anything was time consuming, so people had others vouch that what they said was correct.... and sometimes the voucher, as well as the other person, were lying.... One did not have to prove where one was born to register for WWI draft; my gpa was not even a citizen when he registered. Other gpa was citizen, but not born in US. Many inducted into the military got their citizenship almost automatically after the war in gratitude for their service to the country. Gpa's brother was given it after he served; don't think he went to Europe, and he was a clarinetist in a band.... Anettka

Readers, My great-grandmother was born on the Atlantic Ocean as her parents immigrated to the United States from Sweden. She was listed as being born in London, England on the passenger list since that is where the ship disembarked from. We have always been told that when you are born at sea the place of birth is listed as the location the ship left last. The ending passenger list should match the beginning passenger list. Bill Schultz

It used to be that, if you were born at sea, you were a citizen of the country where the ship would next dock. Dave B --- Lila White <[email protected]> wrote: > Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk wrote: > > > Dave & I were wondering, if the mother was > pregnant with the second son when she left > England,could this son claim to be born in England > ?? > > I think that you are born where you are born. > Children born at sea may > be considered "international citizens" and may be > allowed to "pick their > country", I don't know. Historically, if you're > born in the United > States, your a U.S. citizen, but if your parents > were immigrants, you > probably had dual citizenship unless your parents > renounced their > motherland. Just my take on the issue. > > Lila > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the > command unsubscribe > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and > search for your ancestors at the same time. Share > your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > David T Buzzek <www.gensearch.net> You cannot soar with the eagles during the day if you hoot with the owls at night! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks to everyone who responded to this question. It was interesting reading everyone's stories. Regards Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lila White" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] Immigration Country of Origin Question > [email protected] wrote: > > > I have a couple of ancestors with similar circumstances. My > > Grandmother was born in Germany and came to the States when > > she was not quite 4 yrs old. Some census records state her birth > > place as Germany, some state Illinois [where she grew up]. > > Census records might not be the most accurate place to get information. > The census takers are just asking questions that depending on who > answered the door and how old they are, might not provide correct > information. > > > I have three "cousins" whose surnames were changed, without > > going through the courts > > I have a Chicago family that was German, but had a Polish sounding last > name: Burcikowski, which no one ever seemed to know how it was actually > spelled. My gGrandfather assumed the shortened version of Burk, his > brother legally changed it to Barnes. Later generations were confused > and thought it was Burkowski. My grandfather used Burcikowski and also > Burk, but he borrowed a cousin's union card to become a teamster and > assumed the name Voltz at work because of it. There was confusion at > his death and his death certificate had to show his name as Frank J. > Voltz Burcikowski. It also incorrectly states that he was born in > Chicago. He actually immigrated at age three from Gnojau, West Prussia. > > I've found birth years off by a year or two. Usually I assume the older > the record, the more accurate. Children giving information for death > certificates may just try to do the math in their heads and end up a > year or so off, or they may even be unsure of their parents age when > they do. > > Lila > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from Digest: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

[email protected] wrote: > I have a couple of ancestors with similar circumstances. My > Grandmother was born in Germany and came to the States when > she was not quite 4 yrs old. Some census records state her birth > place as Germany, some state Illinois [where she grew up]. Census records might not be the most accurate place to get information. The census takers are just asking questions that depending on who answered the door and how old they are, might not provide correct information. > I have three "cousins" whose surnames were changed, without > going through the courts I have a Chicago family that was German, but had a Polish sounding last name: Burcikowski, which no one ever seemed to know how it was actually spelled. My gGrandfather assumed the shortened version of Burk, his brother legally changed it to Barnes. Later generations were confused and thought it was Burkowski. My grandfather used Burcikowski and also Burk, but he borrowed a cousin's union card to become a teamster and assumed the name Voltz at work because of it. There was confusion at his death and his death certificate had to show his name as Frank J. Voltz Burcikowski. It also incorrectly states that he was born in Chicago. He actually immigrated at age three from Gnojau, West Prussia. I've found birth years off by a year or two. Usually I assume the older the record, the more accurate. Children giving information for death certificates may just try to do the math in their heads and end up a year or so off, or they may even be unsure of their parents age when they do. Lila

Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk wrote: > Dave & I were wondering, if the mother was pregnant with the second son when she left England,could this son claim to be born in England ?? I think that you are born where you are born. Children born at sea may be considered "international citizens" and may be allowed to "pick their country", I don't know. Historically, if you're born in the United States, your a U.S. citizen, but if your parents were immigrants, you probably had dual citizenship unless your parents renounced their motherland. Just my take on the issue. Lila

Hi Darlene, I have a couple of ancestors with similar circumstances. My Grandmother was born in Germany and came to the States when she was not quite 4 yrs old. Some census records state her birth place as Germany, some state Illinois [where she grew up]. I really do not think that in many cases, people ever had to actually prove where they were born. After Social Security came in, Grandma worked out of their home, for their business, and she never had a SS #. I have three "cousins" whose surnames were changed, without going through the courts ... one was born in 1937 and was a career military man. He told me himself that his mother, who had remarried, just listed his name the same as his half sibs. Another cousin's mother remarried a man whose surname was one letter different than her previous husband's. Those kids death certificates list both names on them [thankfully, or might be still looking for them]. The third one also was a result of mother remarried. In 1900 he was a Forbush [Chicago family] and by 1910 and on, he was a Parmeter. I really do not think that one had to prove place of birth on Draft Cards [1917-1918]. Some cards just have a box to check if "Native born", some state exactly where. Unfortunately, for me, most of mine just have the check boxes -- especially the ones that I need the most. Grin. Sharon On 21 Mar 2006 at 9:13, Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk wrote: > Hi, > > Thank you Dave Witthans for posting this question for me. > > The family in question is a little different. The parents were born > in Poland, married in England in 1892. They had one children in > England and one shortly after in the U.S. > > The 1900 census shows both children born in NY. The WW1 Draft > Registration for the sons has them both born in England. > > Dave & I were wondering, if the mother was pregnant with the second > son when she left England,could this son claim to be born in England > ?? > > Another question, would you have to prove where you were born when you > registered for the WW1 Draft? > > Regards > Darlene > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 3/21/2006 8:00:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, Arleen writes: By rite if you were born in the US you are a US citizen. I know of one man who was born here in Chicago, parents returned to Poland (before he was 19) and he later immigrated from Poland(at age 25) as a US citizen by birth rite. His sibs also born here remained in Poland and claimed Polish citizenship. Dave and Arleen, I have a contorted version of this issue. My ggparents immigrated to US circa 1887. My gpa was born at that time, but no other siblings. GGpa got citizenship in 1892; two children born by that time in Chicago were of course citizens by birth. After several more years and another child, they returned to Poland. There more children born there were effectively citizens of US because of his citizenship, and, oh, by the way, also Polish citizens. Children born in US also considered Polish citizens because of parents birth in Poland. They all came back to US 1906. My ggparents might not have been able to get into US had they not been citizens; they both had tuburculosis, and both died about 6 months after return to US. Apparently, according to a 'cousin' born in Poland who is now US citizen, it is difficult to not be a Polish citizen; anyone born in US of Polish parents becomes one and you have to specifically renounce citizenship to not be one. THeoretically, all of us with Polish blood can go to Polish consulate and get a Polish passport...... he did for his son born in US.... Anettka

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Hi, Thank you Dave Witthans for posting this question for me. The family in question is a little different. The parents were born in Poland, married in England in 1892. They had one children in England and one shortly after in the U.S. The 1900 census shows both children born in NY. The WW1 Draft Registration for the sons has them both born in England. Dave & I were wondering, if the mother was pregnant with the second son when she left England,could this son claim to be born in England ?? Another question, would you have to prove where you were born when you registered for the WW1 Draft? Regards Darlene

Dave This is really a loaded question. And there are a few parameters. By rite if you were born in the US you are a US citizen. I know of one man who was born here in Chicago, parents returned to Poland (before he was 19) and he later immigrated from Poland(at age 25) as a US citizen by birth rite. His sibs also born here remained in Poland and claimed Polish citizenship. I think now if a child is born to immigrants they can claim US citizenship but in order to claim the citizenship of their parents birth the parents need to notify a consulate office. The consulate then issues a birth cert. Now in the US they want to deport lots of Mexican nationals that have children who are US born and claim citizenship. Talk about a mess! Good Luck with this one Arleen > > > > Immigration Country of Origin Question: > > Suppose a pregnant woman boards a ship in England and then > gives birth in the USA? > > Can, or should, the parents claim England as country of birth? > > There is a real family with this possibility. > > Thanks, Dave Witthans > > > ==== IL-COOK-CHICAGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send a message to > [email protected] > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records > added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release > Date: 3/17/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006

My sister is an American citizen living in Canada. Her children, born in Canada, are dual citizens. Lila Dave Witthans wrote: > > Immigration Country of Origin Question: > > Suppose a pregnant woman boards a ship in England and then gives birth in the USA? > > Can, or should, the parents claim England as country of birth? > > There is a real family with this possibility. > > Thanks, Dave Witthans

Immigration Country of Origin Question: Suppose a pregnant woman boards a ship in England and then gives birth in the USA? Can, or should, the parents claim England as country of birth? There is a real family with this possibility. Thanks, Dave Witthans

Jackie - Your message reminded me that I went to an open house at the American French Genealogy Society in RI, some years ago. A woman there was exhibiting a quilt she had made which included reproductions of photos of her family. It was really great. Wish I had the time or talent to do such a thing, Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: jackie mccarty To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CHICAGO] quilt project Please disregard this letter i added this to my email by mistake I am so sorry to cause you any trouble . Just delete it thank You Jadkie