I stand by my original post. Mustering had nothing to do with "swearing in." A soldier was "Enrolled" when he took the oath, signed his enlistment contract and the contract was endorsed by the recruiting officer and the surgeon. Mustering is simply taking roll and seeing who is present and who is fit for duty (not sick, dead, deserted, captured, reassigned, detached, furloughed, etc.) Mustering is simply a method of keeping attendance. A soldier could have been enrolled on one date, then waited around until he was assigned to a regiment. There was a first roll call (Muster in), semi-monthly roll call (Muster) and final roll call (Muster out) See the definitions below from the Illinois Civil War site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcivilw/terms.htm MUSTER The process of taking roll and determining fitness for service. Muster was performed every two months and the results kept on a muster roll. It was used by the army to determine the precise number of soldiers in each rank in a unit. Twice each year at muster, the Articles of War were also read to all the troops. See also Mustering In and Mustering Out. (more information) MUSTERING IN The first muster for a regiment. By completing the mustering in process, soldiers are accepted for service in the army and are considered under military law for their term of service. Also know as Date of Muster in the AGR. MUSTERING OUT The last muster for a regiment after which the soldiers are released from the army. This is abbreviated as M.O. in the AGR. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane L" <janel3@earthlink.net> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered > In a class on the Civil War given by Tom Pierson in St. Louis, he > explained that enrolled meant that a soldier was sworn into service in > the state in which he enlisted and that mustered in meant that he was > sworn into federal service as a volunteer. > >

In a class on the Civil War given by Tom Pierson in St. Louis, he explained that enrolled meant that a soldier was sworn into service in the state in which he enlisted and that mustered in meant that he was sworn into federal service as a volunteer.

My understanding is that enrolled date was the day he signed the enlistment paper and it was endorsed by the recruiting officer and the examining surgeon. Muster date was when he was assigned to and joined a particular company. Often they are the same date, sometimes they are not. If you go to this URL www.geocities.com/jack_cox_1943/html_pages/george_palmer.html and scroll down to "George Palmer's Enlistment Record" you can see a copy of an enlistment document. He did enroll and muster on the same day, but note that the enlistment is a separate document, and the muster is handled in an endorsement down the side of the contract. The enrollment and muster were done by different officers. Jack Cox Overland Park, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAOARM@aol.com> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs Muster Dates > What is the significance of the Enrolled date and the Muster In date on the > Muster and Descriptive rolls? John O'Neal, 6th Ill Vol Cav >

What is the significance of the Enrolled date and the Muster In date on the Muster and Descriptive rolls? John O'Neal, 6th Ill Vol Cav

I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my request for how to get information on the 5th Calvary. A big thank you to all of you who sent info about the newspaper index at the Illinois Archives. I did not know about the newspaper index and it will be my first "next step"! I am waiting on the pension files of my gg grandfather to come from the National Archives. Now if someone will just offer to give me private lessons on how to use the OR!!!! LOL. I have good access to it, but find it overwhelming! Thanks for your help! Christine. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.

Chris, I can't find your personal email address, so I just addressed the list. Hope you see this! Rhonda Houston 5th ILLINOIS CAVALRY http://www.iltrails.org/cumberland/5thcalvary.html Dyer's Regimental History from A Compendium of the War of the Rebellion, vol. III, Regimental Histories by Frederick H. Dyer [1908] (Contributed by Bruce Cox) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 5th REGIMENT CAVALRY Organized at Camp Butler, Ills., August 31 to December 30, 1861. Moved to Benton Barracks, Mo., February 20, 1862. Thence to Pilot Knob, Mo., March 3. Moved to Doniphan March 27-April 1 and to Pocahontas April 17. Attached to Steele's Division, Army of Southeast Missouri, to May, 1862. Army of Southwest Missouri to July, 1862. District of Eastern Arkansas, Department of Missouri to December, 1862. 1st Brigade 3rd (Cavalry) Division, District of Eastern Arkansas, to January, 1863. 1st Brigade, 2nd Cavalry Division, 13th Army Corps, Department of the Tennessee, to April, 1863. 1st Brigade, Cavalry Division, District of Eastern Arkansas, to June, 1863. Cavalry Herron's Division 13th Army Corps to August, 1863. Winslow's Cavalry Brigade, 16th Army Corps to December, 1863. Winslow's Cavalry Brigade, 17th Army Corps and District of Vicksburg, Miss., to January, 1865. 1st Brigade, Cavalry Division, District of West Tennessee to June 1865. Departments of the Gulf and Texas to October 1865. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- SERVICE Action at Putnam's Ferry, Mo., April 1, 1862. Doniphan April 4. Pocahontas April 21. Scouting and skirmishing in Arkansas and Missouri till June. Smithville June 17 (Cos. "D," "F" and "L"). March to Helena, Ark., June 26-July 14. Hill's Plantation, Cache River, July 7. At Helena, Ark., till May, 1863. Expedition from Helena to Clarendon August 4-17, 1862. Clarendon August 15. Expedition from Helena to Jeffersonville and Marlana September 2-6. Expedition from Clarendon to Lawrenceville and St. Charles September 11-13. Near Helena October 22. Expedition from Helena to Arkansas Post November 16-21. Expedition from Helena to Grenada, Miss., November 27-December 5. Moved to Snyder's Bluff, Miss., May 31-June 1, 1863. Expedition to Satartia June 2-8 (Detachment). Satartia June 4 (Detachment). Raid to Brookhaven June 23-26 (Detachment). Expedition from Snyder's Bluff to Greenville June 25-July 1 (three companies). Rocky Creek, near Ellisville, June 26 (three Companies). Gaines' Landing, Ark., June 28. Advance on Jackson Miss., July 6-10. Near Clinton July 8. Siege of Jackson July 10-17. Near Canton July 12. Holton's Depot July 16. Grant's Ferry, Pearl River, July 16. Briar Creek near Canton, July 17. Canton July 18. Bolton's Depot July 24. Raid from Big Black River, on Mississippi Central R. R., and to Memphis, Tenn., August 10-22. Payne's Plantation, near Grenada, August 18. Panola August 20. Coldwater August 21. Moved from Memphis to Vicksburg, Miss., August 23-27, and duty in that District till January, 1865. Expedition from Big Black River to Yazoo City September 27-October 1, 1863 (Detachment). Brownsville September 28 (Detachment). Morris Ford, near Benton, September 29 (Detachment). Expedition to Canton October 14-20. Brownsville October 15. Canton Road, near Brownsville, October 15-16. Near Clinton and Vernon Cross Roads October 16. Bogue Chitto Creek October 17. Robinson's Mills, near Livingston, October 17. Livingston Road, near Clinton, October 18. Oak Ridge January 16, 1864. Meridian Campaign February 3-March 2. Champion's Hill February 4, Jackson February 6. Brandon February 7. Morton February 8. About Meridian February 9 to 13. Hillsboro February 10. Meridian February 13-14. Marion Station February 16. Clinton April 3. Expedition from Vicksburg to Yazoo City May 4-21 (Detachment). Benton May 7-9. Yazoo River May 29. Expedition from Vicksburg to Pearl River July 2-10. Jackson July 7. Expedition from Vicksburg to Deer Creek September 21-26. Expedition to Rodney and Fayette September 29-October 3 (Detachment). Port Gibson September 30. Expedition from Natchez to Woodville October 4-11 (Detachment). Woodville October 5-6 (Detachment). Operations In Issaqueena and Washington Counties October 24-31. Expedition from Vicksburg to Gaines' Landing, Ark., and Bayou Macon, La., November 6-8. Expedition from Vicksburg to Yazoo City November 23-December 4. Franklin Creek, Miss, December 21-22. Moved to Memphis, Tenn., January 24, 1865. Expedition through Southern Arkansas and Northern Louisiana January 26- February 13. At Memphis Tenn., till June. Expedition into Northern Mississippi March 3-11. Moved to Alexandria, La., via Red River ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Regiment lost during service 28 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 6 Officers and 414 Enlisted men by disease. Total 447. Illinois Adjutant General's Report ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- LOOK BELOW! I FOUND YOUR MAN!! There are two individuals who have knowledge about the 5th Illinois Cavalry Company A and Company F, which means they may know of someone who specializes in those companies inbetween: jgardner@ukcc.uky.edu (whose name is j. gardner)(Gardner knows about the 4th Illinois Cavalry also, so this person is well versed in Illinois civil war. It looks as though this person works/goes to school at a Kentucky college/university) and jadmire@myfamily.org (whose name is Jim Admire) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- You might give this url a try also: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/datcivil.html or http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/datcivil.html http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/cgi-bin/archives/civilwar.s Histories of Illinois Civil War Regiments and Units The histories of Illinois Civil War regiments and units are included in the first eight volumes of the nine volume publication, Report of the Adjutant General of the State of Illinois (1900-1902). (The ninth volume lists units of the Black Hawk, Mexican and Spanish-American Wars as well as the War of 1812.) The histories, some written shortly after the war's end, are the work of numerous authors throughout the intervening years. The 1886 version of the Adjutant General's Report included regimental histories compiled by that office which had not previously been published. The final 1900-1902 republication of the report incorporated revisions and corrections to the histories. Researchers may also wish to consult images and histories of flags of Illinois regiments at John Schmale's web site. In recognition of the service of Illinois' six regiments during the Mexican War, the assignment of regimental numbers for infantry began with seven. The histories of Illinois Civil War regiments and units are provided in a PDF (Portable Document Format) file, which can be viewed or printed using your Web browser and Adobe's Acrobat Reader software. Macintosh and Windows versions of Acrobat Reader may be downloaded free of charge from Adobe. http://cyberdriveillinois.com/cgi-bin/archives/civilwar.s BARCUS, WILLIAM H PVT B 5 IL US CAV (lived in) MATTOON If 'he jumped a train for Mattoon and joined-up there' it was definitely recorded as his home-of-record!! Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Fox-Jackson [mailto:mfox7@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:43 PM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] 5th Illinois Calvary Co. B-William H. Barcus Hi Chris, Sorry I am have no info to offer on this question, but wanted to ask about what you or anyone else may know about soldiers living in one state and serving with another. I have a few instances of this in my family and cannot figure out why for example my Great Grandfather who lived in Albion, Edwards County, Illinois served with the 3rd Kansas Light Artillery. Can anyone shed light on this was done? marg chris mccreedy wrote: > I am on the hunt for any references to the 5th Illinois Calvary Co. B. I have read the manuscript "Coles Co., in the Civil War", I've read the online reports from Dryer and the Adjunt General and I'm in the process of figuring out how to use the OR. Is there any other source I can check? > > I am trying to gain any information on my great great grandfather William H. Barcus (a.k.a. Henry) who was a private in Co., B. He was born in OH and like many others I think he jumped a train for Mattoon and joined-up there. I just finished ordering his pension papers. > > Is there any mention of the 5th Ill. Calvary in local newspapers at the the time. > > Thanks for your help. I'm in Indiana and if I can be for any help with census research or Lafayette IN research let me know > > Any help would be appreciated. > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.

Hi Chris, Sorry I am have no info to offer on this question, but wanted to ask about what you or anyone else may know about soldiers living in one state and serving with another. I have a few instances of this in my family and cannot figure out why for example my Great Grandfather who lived in Albion, Edwards County, Illinois served with the 3rd Kansas Light Artillery. Can anyone shed light on this was done? marg chris mccreedy wrote: > I am on the hunt for any references to the 5th Illinois Calvary Co. B. I have read the manuscript "Coles Co., in the Civil War", I've read the online reports from Dryer and the Adjunt General and I'm in the process of figuring out how to use the OR. Is there any other source I can check? > > I am trying to gain any information on my great great grandfather William H. Barcus (a.k.a. Henry) who was a private in Co., B. He was born in OH and like many others I think he jumped a train for Mattoon and joined-up there. I just finished ordering his pension papers. > > Is there any mention of the 5th Ill. Calvary in local newspapers at the the time. > > Thanks for your help. I'm in Indiana and if I can be for any help with census research or Lafayette IN research let me know > > Any help would be appreciated. > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.

I am on the hunt for any references to the 5th Illinois Calvary Co. B. I have read the manuscript "Coles Co., in the Civil War", I've read the online reports from Dryer and the Adjunt General and I'm in the process of figuring out how to use the OR. Is there any other source I can check? I am trying to gain any information on my great great grandfather William H. Barcus (a.k.a. Henry) who was a private in Co., B. He was born in OH and like many others I think he jumped a train for Mattoon and joined-up there. I just finished ordering his pension papers. Is there any mention of the 5th Ill. Calvary in local newspapers at the the time. Thanks for your help. I'm in Indiana and if I can be for any help with census research or Lafayette IN research let me know Any help would be appreciated. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.

My gggrandfather was in the 40th Illinois regiment. He was in the battle of Shiloh, 6/7th of April, and on to Corinth, Mississippi. There several of the men from North and South got sick from contaminated water. He died June 24, in the Regimental Hospital in Lafayette, Tennessee, of Typhoid Fever. I have not been able to find out where he is buried. Do you think they would have sent him home. I have contacted the Historical Society in Lafayette, and they knew of no place there he would have been buried. His Army records do not say. If he is buried in the cemetery where his family is buried, he doesn't have a marker. Any help would be appreciated. Neva in Illinois

The question of when were telephone directories first published and whether any of these are available for research? Information on the Chicago telephone directories would indicate they started in 1878. Take a look at when and where are you could be looking for those ancestors? http://www.sls.lib.il.us/reference/por/spotlight/phonebks.html Rhonda Houston

http://www.houstonlibrary.com/clayton/cd002.html Here's the url! Another place to look for information which will assist you in narrowing down where this ancestor lived is find out where his wife went to church, there are records there, usually the nearest church is located nearby where people live. Then, within the town his wife was living there is usually a newspaper and cemetery. There is often times someone who can be contacted at the cemetery who can look where his wife was buried, where is not too far from where he was buried. Two excellent sources to find information you never dreamed of existing comes from these two books: "Printed Sources: A Guide to Published Genealogical Records," edited by Kory L. Meyerink ISBN # 0916489701 and "Hidden Sources: Family History in Unlikely Places," by Laura Sxucs Pfeiffer ISBN # 0916489868 Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda Houston [mailto:rfhouston@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:09 PM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com; DEBSTER13@webtv.net Subject: RE: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] new to group Debs, If you can pinpoint around when he died, the county and state in which HIS WIFE lived/passed away in that might give you a window to look through to pin him down. There are city directories for the areas in which these people lived, and according to an article published by the Houston (Texas) Public Library online, Clayton Library for Genealogical Research, authored by Trevia Wooster Beverly who said that "Directories are among the most valuable tools available for urban research, especially for the period 1780-1860, when cities like Baltimore, Boston, New York and Philadelphia became magnets for immigrants newly arrived from Europe and for rural families seeking employment in urban industries." These directories were created up until the turn of the century for most towns and these old directories are kept within the public libraries and often the genealogical/historical societies who reside within the library or nearby take great pride in perserving and sharing the information within these. If you know the county in which his wife lived, you could go back some years and look for their residence. These genealogical/historical societies frequently have volunteers who will assist with this task. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: debs [mailto:DEBSTER13@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:37 PM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] new to group Hi all. My gr-gr Grandfather fought in the Civil war, and I have just recently started to look into how to go about finding records for him. Unfortunately I don't even know what state he enlisted in. It's most likely IL, or IN. He also has a common name which isn't helping. I'm not exactly clear how the Civil War pensions worked. Were pensions given to all soldiers, or just to the family of men that died? We know my g-g-grandfather was wounded. He was shot in the soldier, but lived and was able to still work and support his family. My Mother has said he died of lead poisoning from shrapnel that wasn't removed, but I don't know how accurate that is. I have been able to get ahold of the death cert. for his wife, and on it is her exact house address. Is there anyway to find the civil war records from knowing where the pensions were last being sent? (That is if she even received it.) If so, where can I send for this info? debs

Debs, If you can pinpoint around when he died, the county and state in which HIS WIFE lived/passed away in that might give you a window to look through to pin him down. There are city directories for the areas in which these people lived, and according to an article published by the Houston (Texas) Public Library online, Clayton Library for Genealogical Research, authored by Trevia Wooster Beverly who said that "Directories are among the most valuable tools available for urban research, especially for the period 1780-1860, when cities like Baltimore, Boston, New York and Philadelphia became magnets for immigrants newly arrived from Europe and for rural families seeking employment in urban industries." These directories were created up until the turn of the century for most towns and these old directories are kept within the public libraries and often the genealogical/historical societies who reside within the library or nearby take great pride in perserving and sharing the information within these. If you know the county in which his wife lived, you could go back some years and look for their residence. These genealogical/historical societies frequently have volunteers who will assist with this task. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: debs [mailto:DEBSTER13@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:37 PM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] new to group Hi all. My gr-gr Grandfather fought in the Civil war, and I have just recently started to look into how to go about finding records for him. Unfortunately I don't even know what state he enlisted in. It's most likely IL, or IN. He also has a common name which isn't helping. I'm not exactly clear how the Civil War pensions worked. Were pensions given to all soldiers, or just to the family of men that died? We know my g-g-grandfather was wounded. He was shot in the soldier, but lived and was able to still work and support his family. My Mother has said he died of lead poisoning from shrapnel that wasn't removed, but I don't know how accurate that is. I have been able to get ahold of the death cert. for his wife, and on it is her exact house address. Is there anyway to find the civil war records from knowing where the pensions were last being sent? (That is if she even received it.) If so, where can I send for this info? debs

Hi Debs, They will probably have the records where the pension was applied for. You dont mention what their names are and if you can reply back with them would be a good idea. Many people own different database's on CD and I am sure would be willing to look them up for you. Also on Ancestry.com you can look up pension files under the wife's name. My GGrandfather's fought for Indiana and Kansas but applied for their pensions in Illinois because that is where they lived at the time. Take care, margaret debs wrote: > Hi all. My gr-gr Grandfather fought in the Civil war, and I have > just recently started to look into how to go about finding records for > him. Unfortunately I don't even know what state he enlisted in. It's > most likely IL, or IN. He also has a common name which isn't helping. > I'm not exactly clear how the Civil War pensions worked. Were pensions > given to all soldiers, or just to the family of men that died? We know > my g-g-grandfather was wounded. He was shot in the soldier, but lived > and was able to still work and support his family. My Mother has said > he died of lead poisoning from shrapnel that wasn't removed, but I don't > know how accurate that is. > I have been able to get ahold of the death cert. for his wife, and on it > is her exact house address. Is there anyway to find the civil war > records from knowing where the pensions were last being sent? (That is > if she even received it.) If so, where can I send for this info? > debs

Hi all. My gr-gr Grandfather fought in the Civil war, and I have just recently started to look into how to go about finding records for him. Unfortunately I don't even know what state he enlisted in. It's most likely IL, or IN. He also has a common name which isn't helping. I'm not exactly clear how the Civil War pensions worked. Were pensions given to all soldiers, or just to the family of men that died? We know my g-g-grandfather was wounded. He was shot in the soldier, but lived and was able to still work and support his family. My Mother has said he died of lead poisoning from shrapnel that wasn't removed, but I don't know how accurate that is. I have been able to get ahold of the death cert. for his wife, and on it is her exact house address. Is there anyway to find the civil war records from knowing where the pensions were last being sent? (That is if she even received it.) If so, where can I send for this info? debs

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