Port Hudson, Zachary, Louisiana would be a good place to start looking for a National Cemetery for those who were KIA during the action. Comb through this url/website. BE SURE NOT TO overlook all those places that have a word all in caps and blue (which is another link to see all the information concerning National Cemeteries. This url is awesome! Rhonda Houston http://www.va.gov/facmgt/historic/civilwar.asp

I am wanting to know where a Civil War service man would be buried, who died during the war. Ezekiel Savage was in the 37th. Illinois Infantry, CO. F and died Feb. 8 or 9, 1864 of Inflammation of the lungs, contracted while he was acting as a nurse in the hospital at Carrollton LA. I feelsure he was not sent back to Illinois for burial. But if he was where would he be burried. He is not in any of the Antioch cemeteries that his family is in. Does anyone know if there are National cemetery web sites in ILL? I have checked the Chalmette National Cemetery in LA. but he is not listed there. I have been all through the <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/orleans.htm">Orleans Parish Archives </A>. Surely if he died in a hospotial he was working for they should have some information on where they burried him. Joyce

Tom, Thanks for the info. Your story really helped me. I was up at the Archives last friday. After reading your note, I called ahead just to make sure that I understood all that I had to do. The only entrance open to researchers right now is the Pennsylvania Ave. entrance. The other entrances sides of the building are being renovated. When you get there you have to register any cameras, cell phones, and computers. Not sure why, you just have to identify them on a form that you have to turn back in when you leave. They x-ray anything you are carrying and then give you a badge. The next stop is to go order the records as this will take some time. The archives web site (www.nara.gov) explains the pull times pretty well, but to summarize, they only pull hard copy records at specific times during weekdays. The archives are open late a couple of nights a week and on saturday, but they will not pull any records except on weekdays, unless arranged in advance (don't ask me how). The main records that most people are interested in are either Combined Military Service Records for individuals or pension records. Go first to the microfilm records room and ask to be directed to the index for soldiers. Soldiers records are organized by the side they fought on and the State their regiment was from. It really does not take that long to find the right microfilm. The time-consuming part is to find the records you are looking for on the film. The records are in alphabetical order and don't forget that sometimes soldiers did or didn't use their middle initial. There are separate indexes for military and pension records. Requests for pension records are by certificate (or case) number. In my case, my gggf was wounded during the war and received an invalid pension. After he died, his wife applied for a widow's pension. As such, there are two case numbers (invalid and widow's) listed in the file. However, after the soldier's death, both are filed in the same folder. Requests for military records are by name and unit in the same form as on the index. Confederate records, what they have, are all on microfilm. The films are sorted by state, then by regiment, then by name alphabetically on the film. These films are in a vault just off the microfilm reader room. The people there were very helpful. I told them what I was looking for and they showed me right where to look. An additional source of information that may or may not be helpful are the regimental books. These contain the orders and correspondance of the regiment as well as the company morning reports. These books can be ordered from the shelves in Room 410. Just ask for help. The pull schedule for these records is mostly the same as for the pension and individual records, but just be sure you know when they will pull records the next time. After your record orders have been placed, go to the bookstore. I can't remember the room number, but you can't miss it. There you fill out a form requesting research access and provide a brief description of what you are looking for. You must show a photo ID, and then get a card. As of last friday, they are still not taking pictures at the downtown archives facility, but apparently are doing so at the College Park facility. You are also given a folder describing the rules for using the materials. You are not allowed to take anything in with you except for a laptop computer to take notes. They have paper and pencils available for taking notes, but will look them over when you leave to make sure you are not taking any originals out. No ink pens allowed. Just have a quarter with you to use the lockers (you get it back when you leave). You only get one research item (from one form) at a time. You are asked to keep the materials in the original order. If you are going to be selective about copies, ask one of the people there for the proper technique. You are also supposed to show them what you want to copy, before you actually copy it. The current rate is 15 cents a copy for the regular copiers (legal paper only). The book copier makes 11x17 copies at 50 cents a copy. One other note: Also in the microfilm reading room are all the census records on microfilm up through 1920. Jim Willison Teedirk@aol.com wrote: > Now fetching those cards for review was an effort and I should have done some > homework on Archives protocol before I went. My mistake, but then I got > precious little help from several of the staff, they answering only my > questions asked and venturing no additional help or guidance that would have > saved me much time. All but one lady who was most helpful and she is the one > who finally got me on track. > > My time consuming mistakes were as follows: On fourth floor I was directed to > the second floor reading room. There I was not allowed entrance as I had no > picture pass. Where do I get one? Fourth floor. Up I went, got in line and > got my picture taken and then got the card. Back down to two, can't come in > with my papers in hand and my coat on. Directed to put them in the hall way > locker. You get your quarter back. Went in and asked about Civil War > Service Records. You must order them. How? Go up to fourth floor and look > him up on the microfilms. > > Back up stairs to get in line for a reader and asked the location of the > needed microfilms. Was given a reader and went to the proper drawer as > directed. But no, it was the wrong drawer, the wrong location. I really > needed other records to which I was finally directed. Read the film and > copied the numbers as directed. Now what? Fill out this form! Now what? > Put the form in this tray. Now what? The records will appear on two in > about two hours. > > Went back to two in two hours but received only one packet of materials > instead of two. Why? Seems you must use one form for each record wanted. > Thus my error but such were my directions up on four. And I questioned (not > out loud) why the form had multiple lines for use? > > Ordered the other file at that time and sat down to read the one in hand. > But could not manage that file as the day was all but over. So, if you go > there, do your homework before departing and then ask questions on site. > Don't do as I did. > > I did get back next day and the kind lady mentioned above had hung on to my > needed records, bless her. > > Good luck, Tom

John, The three-year enlistment period began on the enrollment date, and ended on its anniversary date three years later. Thus, many members of Illinois volunteer regiments who enrolled in 1861 became eligible for discharge in 1864, while their regiments were involved in Sherman's Atlanta campaign. It was considered vital by the War Department in Washington to retain as many combat veterans as possible, and so the men were offered $402, a thirty-day furlough (if current conditions permitted), and the right to remain in the original regiment if a majority of the men in the regiment choose to re-enlist. These men would be mustered into federal service on the day they re-enlisted in the state volunteer regiment, so those two dates will be the same (the phrase "mustered-in to date" would indicate that the soldier had previously been mustered into federal service). While mustered into federal service, the men were paid ($13 per month for white privates, $10 for black), fed, clothed, equipped, and provided medical care by the federal government. The men were paid in cash on the field or at a military post by a Union Army paymaster. The next-of-kin of a man killed while serving in the Union Army would have been entitled to a payment of $100 from the federal government. The next-of-kin would also have been entitled to payment of any unpaid bounty money and any unpaid monthly wages due that soldier. Tom Pearson

John, The muster rolls for my g.g.grandfather do not contain a Muster and Descriptive Roll for his original enlistment of 19 July '61. There is a Muster and Descriptive Roll for his reenlistement as a veteran volunteer. It reads: When enlisted: December 22, 1863. When Mustered in: December 22, 1863. Muster-in to date: December 22, 1863. (Note: this makes me wonder why there are two dates related to muster-in). ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAOARM@aol.com> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enlisted > Jack states that his GGGF enlisted on 19 July 1861. What does the Muster and > Descriptive Roll give as the enrolled date and the muster in date for this > soldier? Probably more importantly when did a soldier become eligible for > pay; on the enrollment date or the muster in date? And when did the 3 year > enlistment period begin? This is certainly not critical, but a little > interesting in timing. > Thanx John O'Neal > > > >

Listers, Bounties were initially fairly low sums, and were paid in advance at time of enlistment. As the war continued and bounties got larger, less honest men would join a regiment, collect the bounty, and then desert to do it again with one or more other regiments. To thwart these "bounty-jumpers," bounties began to be paid in installments- this much when you enlisted, this much at one or more later dates. Bounties could be paid at the federal, state, county, and even the city or town level. Some Illinois County Clerks have records of bounties paid- check the county courthouse or the IRAD system for the county he lived in. Tom Pearson

Jack states that his GGGF enlisted on 19 July 1861. What does the Muster and Descriptive Roll give as the enrolled date and the muster in date for this soldier? Probably more importantly when did a soldier become eligible for pay; on the enrollment date or the muster in date? And when did the 3 year enlistment period begin? This is certainly not critical, but a little interesting in timing. Thanx John O'Neal

Tom, I just happened upon your story. It reminds me, sort of, what we went through when we had to work with the NTSB and FAA in securing records regarding our son's fatal plane crash....The angel, in our case, was our congressman. For some reason, Democracy and Bureaucracy go hand in glove. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Teedirk@aol.com> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Soilders contract of service > Christine, > > I am typing this without reference to my notes which are located, well, > someplace where I put them for safe keeping. I did an Archives check on my > G-Grandfather who was in the IL Infantry, two different groups as he > reenlisted or whatever the term and got $400 for same -- as near as I can > figure out. He was promoted to Sgt. soon thereafter. The money was not paid > in one lump sum but spread out over a year or so, maybe four payments. > Uncertain whether his parents would have received the rest of the payment had > he been killed in battle? The reassignment and the $400 were recorded on his > monthly service cards. > > Now fetching those cards for review was an effort and I should have done some > homework on Archives protocol before I went. My mistake, but then I got > precious little help from several of the staff, they answering only my > questions asked and venturing no additional help or guidance that would have > saved me much time. All but one lady who was most helpful and she is the one > who finally got me on track. > > My time consuming mistakes were as follows: On fourth floor I was directed to > the second floor reading room. There I was not allowed entrance as I had no > picture pass. Where do I get one? Fourth floor. Up I went, got in line and > got my picture taken and then got the card. Back down to two, can't come in > with my papers in hand and my coat on. Directed to put them in the hall way > locker. You get your quarter back. Went in and asked about Civil War > Service Records. You must order them. How? Go up to fourth floor and look > him up on the microfilms. > > Back up stairs to get in line for a reader and asked the location of the > needed microfilms. Was given a reader and went to the proper drawer as > directed. But no, it was the wrong drawer, the wrong location. I really > needed other records to which I was finally directed. Read the film and > copied the numbers as directed. Now what? Fill out this form! Now what? > Put the form in this tray. Now what? The records will appear on two in > about two hours. > > Went back to two in two hours but received only one packet of materials > instead of two. Why? Seems you must use one form for each record wanted. > Thus my error but such were my directions up on four. And I questioned (not > out loud) why the form had multiple lines for use? > > Ordered the other file at that time and sat down to read the one in hand. > But could not manage that file as the day was all but over. So, if you go > there, do your homework before departing and then ask questions on site. > Don't do as I did. > > I did get back next day and the kind lady mentioned above had hung on to my > needed records, bless her. > > Good luck, Tom

Christine, If he was promised or paid a bounty, it should be in the muster rolls in his service record. Maybe I can explain how it worked by example from my g.g.grandfather's service record. As background, he enlisted on 19 July 1861, re-enlisted as a veteran volunteer on 22 December 1863. My g.g.grandfather (Co. K, 7th Illinios Infantry) was discharged from his first enlistment on December 21, 1863, to re-enlist as a veteran volunteer. The "Detachment Muter-out Roll" of that date indicates that he was due (emphasis on due) a bounty of $100.00. I believe that this bounty was for his first enrollment, as it is a typical amount. The "Volunteer Enlistment" document in my g.g.grandfather's service record doesn't mention a specific bounty, but instead says: " .... do also agree to accept such bounty, pay, rations, and clothing, as are, or may be, established by law for volunteers." General Order No. 191 of July 10, 1863, allowed veterans to re-enlist, with the option of staying with their original unit. Total bounty and premium paid for this reenlistment was $402.00. The "Muster and Descriptive Roll of Veteran Volunteers" dated January 7, 1864 show that my g.g.grandfather was due a bounty of $402.00. The "Co. Muster-out Roll" of July 9, 1865 again shows the bounty: Bounty paid: $210.00; due: $190.00. I assume he eventually got his money, but I don't know for sure. A summary of the terms of G.O. 191 is as follows: By the terms of General Order No. 191, veterans with at least 9 months service could be enlisted as veteran volunteers, and a bounty of $300 was offered to each recruit, in addition to the bounty of $100 and premium of $2.00 before authorized,--in all $402. For the bounty, they got the "opportunity" to serve for three more years and the right to wear a service chevron on their sleeve. In summary, he apparently got a $100.00 bounty for his first enlistment, and a $402.00 bounty for his re-up. I hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris mccreedy" <ccmccreedy@yahoo.com> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Soilders contract of service > > I was interested in the mention of the soilders contract in the discusstion of muster and enlistment. I know my grandfather received $100.00 as part of the original contract. Would the contract be in his "service records" at the national archives? I have already applied for pension papers and am a waiting them, but I am also interest in his service records. > > Thanks Christine McCreedy > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume on Yahoo! Careers. >

Great story. Painful for you to experience, but I sure enjoyed reading about it! > >Now fetching those cards for review was an effort and I should >have done some homework on Archives protocol before I went. >

Christine, I am typing this without reference to my notes which are located, well, someplace where I put them for safe keeping. I did an Archives check on my G-Grandfather who was in the IL Infantry, two different groups as he reenlisted or whatever the term and got $400 for same -- as near as I can figure out. He was promoted to Sgt. soon thereafter. The money was not paid in one lump sum but spread out over a year or so, maybe four payments. Uncertain whether his parents would have received the rest of the payment had he been killed in battle? The reassignment and the $400 were recorded on his monthly service cards. Now fetching those cards for review was an effort and I should have done some homework on Archives protocol before I went. My mistake, but then I got precious little help from several of the staff, they answering only my questions asked and venturing no additional help or guidance that would have saved me much time. All but one lady who was most helpful and she is the one who finally got me on track. My time consuming mistakes were as follows: On fourth floor I was directed to the second floor reading room. There I was not allowed entrance as I had no picture pass. Where do I get one? Fourth floor. Up I went, got in line and got my picture taken and then got the card. Back down to two, can't come in with my papers in hand and my coat on. Directed to put them in the hall way locker. You get your quarter back. Went in and asked about Civil War Service Records. You must order them. How? Go up to fourth floor and look him up on the microfilms. Back up stairs to get in line for a reader and asked the location of the needed microfilms. Was given a reader and went to the proper drawer as directed. But no, it was the wrong drawer, the wrong location. I really needed other records to which I was finally directed. Read the film and copied the numbers as directed. Now what? Fill out this form! Now what? Put the form in this tray. Now what? The records will appear on two in about two hours. Went back to two in two hours but received only one packet of materials instead of two. Why? Seems you must use one form for each record wanted. Thus my error but such were my directions up on four. And I questioned (not out loud) why the form had multiple lines for use? Ordered the other file at that time and sat down to read the one in hand. But could not manage that file as the day was all but over. So, if you go there, do your homework before departing and then ask questions on site. Don't do as I did. I did get back next day and the kind lady mentioned above had hung on to my needed records, bless her. Good luck, Tom

I was interested in the mention of the soilders contract in the discusstion of muster and enlistment. I know my grandfather received $100.00 as part of the original contract. Would the contract be in his "service records" at the national archives? I have already applied for pension papers and am a waiting them, but I am also interest in his service records. Thanks Christine McCreedy --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume on Yahoo! Careers.

Jack, Then, think about this; if you aren't "trying" to be, as you say obstinate, but trying to be helpful by pressing your point, why not just allow others the same space and relax your point. As Jane said: From: "Jane L" <janel3@earthlink.net> Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered > In a class on the Civil War given by Tom Pierson in St. Louis, he > explained that enrolled meant that a soldier was sworn into service in > the state in which he enlisted and that mustered in meant that he was > sworn into federal service as a volunteer. And I have to agree with Jane that the man who knows what he's talking about is the expert on this subject. Thomas A. Pearson, who is St. Louis Public Library Special Collections Librarian, lectures on this very subject and has compiled and heads the Special Collections Department St. Louis Public Library. He does lecture on this very subject and I have received this information via snail mail concerning this subject. I believed his comment on this was also posted, mentioning that the "enrollment date was when a man enlisted in that particular volunteer regiment; and the Muster date was when that regiment was mustered into federal service. Therefore, if the regiment was not mustered into federal service, its members wouldn't be eligible for a federal pension after the war. The record normally also shows muster out and discharge dates- the man was first mustered out of federal service, then discharged from that state regiment." Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Jack Cox [mailto:jack_cox@swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:01 PM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered I'm not trying to be obstinate here. Most people on this list have seen my name pop up pretty often, and I try to be helpful - so no insult intended . . . But I repeat, muster has nothing to do with swearing in. It's a roll call, pure and simple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered > You are both correct; take a look at how it is that you are using the word. > Rhonda Houston >

Jack, Enrollment date was when he enlisted in that particular volunteer regiment. Muster date was when that regiment was mustered into federal service. If the regiment was not mustered into federal service, its members wouldn't be eligible for a federal pension after the war. The record normally also shows muster out and discharge dates- the man was first mustered out of federal service, then discharged from that state regiment. Tom Pearson

Good for you Rhonda. Whoever heard one explain the terms could have misinterpreted too. Ernie Heltsley

I'm not trying to be obstinate here. Most people on this list have seen my name pop up pretty often, and I try to be helpful - so no insult intended . . . But I repeat, muster has nothing to do with swearing in. It's a roll call, pure and simple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered > You are both correct; take a look at how it is that you are using the word. > Rhonda Houston >

You are both correct; take a look at how it is that you are using the word. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Jack Cox [mailto:jack_cox@swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:39 AM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered I stand by my original post. Mustering had nothing to do with "swearing in." A soldier was "Enrolled" when he took the oath, signed his enlistment contract and the contract was endorsed by the recruiting officer and the surgeon. Mustering is simply taking roll and seeing who is present and who is fit for duty (not sick, dead, deserted, captured, reassigned, detached, furloughed, etc.) Mustering is simply a method of keeping attendance. A soldier could have been enrolled on one date, then waited around until he was assigned to a regiment. There was a first roll call (Muster in), semi-monthly roll call (Muster) and final roll call (Muster out) See the definitions below from the Illinois Civil War site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcivilw/terms.htm MUSTER The process of taking roll and determining fitness for service. Muster was performed every two months and the results kept on a muster roll. It was used by the army to determine the precise number of soldiers in each rank in a unit. Twice each year at muster, the Articles of War were also read to all the troops. See also Mustering In and Mustering Out. (more information) MUSTERING IN The first muster for a regiment. By completing the mustering in process, soldiers are accepted for service in the army and are considered under military law for their term of service. Also know as Date of Muster in the AGR. MUSTERING OUT The last muster for a regiment after which the soldiers are released from the army. This is abbreviated as M.O. in the AGR. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane L" <janel3@earthlink.net> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Enrolled vs. Mustered > In a class on the Civil War given by Tom Pierson in St. Louis, he > explained that enrolled meant that a soldier was sworn into service in > the state in which he enlisted and that mustered in meant that he was > sworn into federal service as a volunteer. > >

How about one of these? MILLER, William C Private Mattoon Aug 21, 1861 Died at Murfreesboro July 15, 1863 MILLER, WILLIAM C REC E 39 IL US INF ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEVE MILLER (by way of Celia Snyder)" <steve.miller86@verizon.net> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] William C. Miller > I am searching for information about my ancestor William C. Miller > who served in the Civil War on the Union side. Email me at > geneoguy@hotmail.com > Sincerely, > Steve >

Any idea what county, town, state? William C. Miller isn't much to go on. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEVE MILLER (by way of Celia Snyder)" <steve.miller86@verizon.net> To: <IL-CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] William C. Miller > I am searching for information about my ancestor William C. Miller > who served in the Civil War on the Union side. Email me at > geneoguy@hotmail.com > Sincerely, > Steve >

I am searching for information about my ancestor William C. Miller who served in the Civil War on the Union side. Email me at geneoguy@hotmail.com Sincerely, Steve