many families settled in Ill. went back east with the Indian wars, came back to Ill. Then would return east if crops/weather was bad.. Just like "kids" today who go out into the world, and return home. But, they had friends in Illinois and returned to enter service with them. We had a slightly different case in Livingston co., where many men went back to Ohio. Also Ill. was the "land of Lincoln". And perhaps the man/men forming that unit were held in high esteem, and your family member wanted to serve under him. There were ads in papers calling for men to join a startup of a new company. Remember, if you volunteered, you could pick your company/unit. Joanie Strreatorland Historical

Il-civil-war, hiya :) How are you? I'm Jennifer, 30 and I currently live near you My boyfriend is on a business trip for several days and I want to have fun! Let's meet? My photos are here: http://ec.nspirewedding.com?&-s=687474703a2f2f646174696e6773622e636f6d2f3f733d3537262639333338333430363232383338362664693d37672d313233322665643d726f6f26693d61646d696e35372c39343336352c696c2d636976696c2d77617240726f6f74737765622e636f6d2c496c2d636976696c2d7761722674733d3135323339373438393526&- On Apr 17, 2018, at 02:36 PM, Il-civil-war wrote: >Hi > >I have the same thing happen to a relative of mine. He lived in Jackson County, IA but for some reason was in Champaign, IL. Supposedly to attend some school that I have never found. He joined the 2nd IL Cavalry on Aug 1, 1861. I think he was with relatives here but haven&IBk-t proven that yet although the Patterson surname, which I >was his, also appears where he was staying. > >Also, he was a horseman. Could be there was no cavalry unit available to him in his part of Iowa At the time a

Hi I have the same thing happen to a relative of mine. He lived in Jackson County, IA but for some reason was in Champaign, IL. Supposedly to attend some school that I have never found. He joined the 2nd IL Cavalry on Aug 1, 1861. I think he was with relatives here but haven’t proven that yet although the Patterson surname, which I was his, also appears where he was staying. Also, he was a horseman. Could be there was no cavalry unit available to him in his part of Iowa At the time and the opportunity arose when he was Il Champaign. Perhaps it is as simple as timing and opportunity or he entered with other relatives or friends at that place. If you go to Illinois.outfitters.com it is a site about Illinois units. Evidentially, there are some units that were formed in other states (ie Michigan Sharpshooters) and Came under Illinois control. The same may be true for other states like Indiana, where your soldier came from. Just a thought. Good luck, Carol > On Apr 17, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Pat Hagan <pghagan@comcast.net> wrote: > > Could anyone tell me why someone from Vermillion Co., Indiana, would muster > in at Pekin, IL, 5 Oct 1863? He was in Indiana before the war in 1850 and > after the war in 1870. His name was Josiah Devors, Devorse, Devois, Devoss, > (all spellings used in records online) and he was in Company D of the 17th > Regiment of the Illinois Cavalry. > > > > I am trying to connect him to a family from Ross Co., OH, and there was an > Isaac DeVoss in Chillicothe, Peoria, Co., IL. > > > > Any clues would be helpful. > > > > Thanks, Pat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:il-civil-war-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/il-civil-war@rootsweb.com/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Could anyone tell me why someone from Vermillion Co., Indiana, would muster in at Pekin, IL, 5 Oct 1863? He was in Indiana before the war in 1850 and after the war in 1870. His name was Josiah Devors, Devorse, Devois, Devoss, (all spellings used in records online) and he was in Company D of the 17th Regiment of the Illinois Cavalry. I am trying to connect him to a family from Ross Co., OH, and there was an Isaac DeVoss in Chillicothe, Peoria, Co., IL. Any clues would be helpful. Thanks, Pat

Hi, Susan, One other thing occurred to me. I am a docent (Volunteer) at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum (ALPLM) in Springfield. The Library does answer genealogy questions--or at least it did (remember, this is Illinois ☺). I think it would be worth a call, and maybe a visit, to the Library to find out if they can help you. At least they might suggest a source you didn't know about. Google ALPLM for the phone number. Your guy was an officer, so he might be indexed in MOLLUS (Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the United States). Ask the librarian at ALPL about this. I'd probably take a risk and send off to the Archives for the records of Henry Martin. I'm assuming, then, that you found something in the CWSSS? Send for pension records for him--I've done this three times; you'll learn more from them than from military records. Descriptions of physical features are highly unreliable. GAR records are often spotty or non-existent. I think you'll find what you want. You already know a lot. Dave Grimm On February 28, 2017, at 7:22 PM, susan schlosser <saschlosser1951@gmail.com> wrote: Great response.. ty for your input. I had checked the Soldiers and Sailors website. On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:59 PM, David Grimm <dgrimm@casscomm.com> wrote: > Susan, you didn't say so, but did you access the Civil War Soldiers and > Sailors System? If he fought in a northern regiment, he's likely in it. > Google CWSSS. If you can find his unit, you can request both his military > and pension records from the National Archives. (Please pardon me if > you've already considered these suggestions.) > > Dave Grimm > > On February 26, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Nancy Ross <nlwross@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Try searching at fold-3.com. They have Civil War records online. This > is a paid site which you can probably access for free from your local > library. Also google him with cavalry, civil war, IL calvary, IL civil war > troops, etc. There's a lot out there, you just have to find it. > > This is the url for the IL records website: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html > > Illinois State Archives - Genealogical Research<http://www. > cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html> > www.cyberdriveillinois.com > Birth Records. Most Illinois counties did not begin recording births until > 1877. Birth records prior to 1916 were recorded only by county clerks. > > > > > Nancy Welty Ross Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, > Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA > > > ________________________________ > From: IL-CIVIL-WAR <il-civil-war-bounces+nlwross=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> > on behalf of susan schlosser <saschlosser1951@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:15 PM > To: Illinois Civil War > Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Illinois Cavalry > > New to this group and first posting here.. ty for having this group and > hoping someone can enlighten me about what I am in search of and how to > find!!! > > My great great grandfather was Henry Martin. He was born in 1841 in > Germany and died in Freeport, Stephenson County, Illinois on 8 August 1887. > > He is buried in Freeport City Cemetery and his burial is on FindaGrave. > > It has been said in family conversations and writing that Henry served in > the Civil War and was a Captain in the Cavalry. Nobody knew anything more > than that > except to say there was a portrait of him in the living room of his house > of him sitting on his horse in full uniform. Going on the premise I started > searching to verify > this. > > > > Two of my second cousins-once removed, have written letters that I have > copies of indicating that they knew Henry Martin until late teen years when > he died suddenly. > His obituary is short and really just an announcement of death. His death > certificate has very little information other than the cause and it was > sudden (heart attack it seems). > The content of one letter says as follows, > "My great grandmother Barbara Goetz Martin was a heroine of our relation. > She was born in 1850 and died my second year of college, 1928." > He in turn writes, 'A few years after the Civil War Great grandmother > Martin married Henry Martin, 1846-1887, a handsome slender, swarthy, dark > haired man who had been a cavalry captain in the union Army. I can still > see the picture of him on horseback at the head of the sizable troop of > cavalry, that hung in my great grandmother's front room. His being the > cavalry captain was about the only thing I ever heard about him except that > he was a German and probably decided that his oldest child go to the German > Lutheran Parochial School. He died at 41 years before any on his children > were grown up." > > This is all I know aside from information about his wife and children. > At the cemetery there might have been records but they were destroyed in a > fire. I have checked multiple lists for the Cavalry and there is a captain > listed, and he was a butcher according to that record. At one time Henry > was a butcher it is said. The record is on ancestry and I insert the link > here and hope you can access it. > > > http://interactive.ancestry.com/1198/MIUSA1798_102937- > 00152?pid=313695&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ > sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dvxm831%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource% > 26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1% > 26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln%3Dmartin% > 26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DGermany% > 26msbpn%3D3253%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0% > 257C3253%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C% > 26msddy%3D1887%26msrpn__ftp%3DStephenson%2520County,% > 2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D2791%26msrpn_PInfo%3D7-% > 257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C2791% > 257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26gskw%3Dcavalry%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D1% > 26uidh%3Dj2c%26pcat%3D39%26h%3D313695%26recoff%3D5%25206% > 26dbid%3D1198%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D11&treeid=& > personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vxm831&_phstart= > successSource&usePUBJs=true > > The only discrepancy was the hair coloring according to the record and the > letter saying he was a dark haired man. > > Thus far it is the closest I can find to saying this is our family's Henry. > The 1880 census shows him and wife and two children but there aren't any > questions regarding military. > > I suppose that since he was not married at the time he enlisted his wife > whom he married later would not have gotten a pension? Uncertain about that > but supposing not. > I have not found him on any GAR list for Stephenson County nor on a > registration list. > If I would consider that he might have been in the 1st Cavalry, Company D > how can I verify this is our Henry? > > Can anyone advise me as to where to search from here. I apologize for the > lengthy posting but wanted to give a complete story of what I know thus > far... thank you > Susan Servatius Schlosser > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much for your interest and suggestions. I will be at the library tomorrow and try fold3. I use to have a subscription and found other good information on it.. Will post if I find anything!!! ty On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Nancy Ross <nlwross@hotmail.com> wrote: > Try searching at fold-3.com. They have Civil War records online. This > is a paid site which you can probably access for free from your local > library. Also google him with cavalry, civil war, IL calvary, IL civil war > troops, etc. There's a lot out there, you just have to find it. > > This is the url for the IL records website: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html > > Illinois State Archives - Genealogical Research<http://www. > cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html> > www.cyberdriveillinois.com > Birth Records. Most Illinois counties did not begin recording births until > 1877. Birth records prior to 1916 were recorded only by county clerks. > > > > > Nancy Welty Ross Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, > Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA > > > ________________________________ > From: IL-CIVIL-WAR <il-civil-war-bounces+nlwross=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> > on behalf of susan schlosser <saschlosser1951@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:15 PM > To: Illinois Civil War > Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Illinois Cavalry > > New to this group and first posting here.. ty for having this group and > hoping someone can enlighten me about what I am in search of and how to > find!!! > > My great great grandfather was Henry Martin. He was born in 1841 in > Germany and died in Freeport, Stephenson County, Illinois on 8 August 1887. > > He is buried in Freeport City Cemetery and his burial is on FindaGrave. > > It has been said in family conversations and writing that Henry served in > the Civil War and was a Captain in the Cavalry. Nobody knew anything more > than that > except to say there was a portrait of him in the living room of his house > of him sitting on his horse in full uniform. Going on the premise I started > searching to verify > this. > > > > Two of my second cousins-once removed, have written letters that I have > copies of indicating that they knew Henry Martin until late teen years when > he died suddenly. > His obituary is short and really just an announcement of death. His death > certificate has very little information other than the cause and it was > sudden (heart attack it seems). > The content of one letter says as follows, > "My great grandmother Barbara Goetz Martin was a heroine of our relation. > She was born in 1850 and died my second year of college, 1928." > He in turn writes, 'A few years after the Civil War Great grandmother > Martin married Henry Martin, 1846-1887, a handsome slender, swarthy, dark > haired man who had been a cavalry captain in the union Army. I can still > see the picture of him on horseback at the head of the sizable troop of > cavalry, that hung in my great grandmother's front room. His being the > cavalry captain was about the only thing I ever heard about him except that > he was a German and probably decided that his oldest child go to the German > Lutheran Parochial School. He died at 41 years before any on his children > were grown up." > > This is all I know aside from information about his wife and children. > At the cemetery there might have been records but they were destroyed in a > fire. I have checked multiple lists for the Cavalry and there is a captain > listed, and he was a butcher according to that record. At one time Henry > was a butcher it is said. The record is on ancestry and I insert the link > here and hope you can access it. > > > http://interactive.ancestry.com/1198/MIUSA1798_102937- > 00152?pid=313695&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ > sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dvxm831%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource% > 26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1% > 26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln%3Dmartin% > 26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DGermany% > 26msbpn%3D3253%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0% > 257C3253%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C% > 26msddy%3D1887%26msrpn__ftp%3DStephenson%2520County,% > 2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D2791%26msrpn_PInfo%3D7-% > 257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C2791% > 257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26gskw%3Dcavalry%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D1% > 26uidh%3Dj2c%26pcat%3D39%26h%3D313695%26recoff%3D5%25206% > 26dbid%3D1198%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D11&treeid=& > personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vxm831&_phstart= > successSource&usePUBJs=true > > The only discrepancy was the hair coloring according to the record and the > letter saying he was a dark haired man. > > Thus far it is the closest I can find to saying this is our family's Henry. > The 1880 census shows him and wife and two children but there aren't any > questions regarding military. > > I suppose that since he was not married at the time he enlisted his wife > whom he married later would not have gotten a pension? Uncertain about that > but supposing not. > I have not found him on any GAR list for Stephenson County nor on a > registration list. > If I would consider that he might have been in the 1st Cavalry, Company D > how can I verify this is our Henry? > > Can anyone advise me as to where to search from here. I apologize for the > lengthy posting but wanted to give a complete story of what I know thus > far... thank you > Susan Servatius Schlosser > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great response.. ty for your input. I had checked the Soldiers and Sailors website. On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:59 PM, David Grimm <dgrimm@casscomm.com> wrote: > Susan, you didn't say so, but did you access the Civil War Soldiers and > Sailors System? If he fought in a northern regiment, he's likely in it. > Google CWSSS. If you can find his unit, you can request both his military > and pension records from the National Archives. (Please pardon me if > you've already considered these suggestions.) > > Dave Grimm > > On February 26, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Nancy Ross <nlwross@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Try searching at fold-3.com. They have Civil War records online. This > is a paid site which you can probably access for free from your local > library. Also google him with cavalry, civil war, IL calvary, IL civil war > troops, etc. There's a lot out there, you just have to find it. > > This is the url for the IL records website: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html > > Illinois State Archives - Genealogical Research<http://www. > cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html> > www.cyberdriveillinois.com > Birth Records. Most Illinois counties did not begin recording births until > 1877. Birth records prior to 1916 were recorded only by county clerks. > > > > > Nancy Welty Ross Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, > Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA > > > ________________________________ > From: IL-CIVIL-WAR <il-civil-war-bounces+nlwross=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> > on behalf of susan schlosser <saschlosser1951@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:15 PM > To: Illinois Civil War > Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Illinois Cavalry > > New to this group and first posting here.. ty for having this group and > hoping someone can enlighten me about what I am in search of and how to > find!!! > > My great great grandfather was Henry Martin. He was born in 1841 in > Germany and died in Freeport, Stephenson County, Illinois on 8 August 1887. > > He is buried in Freeport City Cemetery and his burial is on FindaGrave. > > It has been said in family conversations and writing that Henry served in > the Civil War and was a Captain in the Cavalry. Nobody knew anything more > than that > except to say there was a portrait of him in the living room of his house > of him sitting on his horse in full uniform. Going on the premise I started > searching to verify > this. > > > > Two of my second cousins-once removed, have written letters that I have > copies of indicating that they knew Henry Martin until late teen years when > he died suddenly. > His obituary is short and really just an announcement of death. His death > certificate has very little information other than the cause and it was > sudden (heart attack it seems). > The content of one letter says as follows, > "My great grandmother Barbara Goetz Martin was a heroine of our relation. > She was born in 1850 and died my second year of college, 1928." > He in turn writes, 'A few years after the Civil War Great grandmother > Martin married Henry Martin, 1846-1887, a handsome slender, swarthy, dark > haired man who had been a cavalry captain in the union Army. I can still > see the picture of him on horseback at the head of the sizable troop of > cavalry, that hung in my great grandmother's front room. His being the > cavalry captain was about the only thing I ever heard about him except that > he was a German and probably decided that his oldest child go to the German > Lutheran Parochial School. He died at 41 years before any on his children > were grown up." > > This is all I know aside from information about his wife and children. > At the cemetery there might have been records but they were destroyed in a > fire. I have checked multiple lists for the Cavalry and there is a captain > listed, and he was a butcher according to that record. At one time Henry > was a butcher it is said. The record is on ancestry and I insert the link > here and hope you can access it. > > > http://interactive.ancestry.com/1198/MIUSA1798_102937- > 00152?pid=313695&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ > sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dvxm831%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource% > 26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1% > 26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln%3Dmartin% > 26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DGermany% > 26msbpn%3D3253%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0% > 257C3253%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C% > 26msddy%3D1887%26msrpn__ftp%3DStephenson%2520County,% > 2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D2791%26msrpn_PInfo%3D7-% > 257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C2791% > 257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26gskw%3Dcavalry%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D1% > 26uidh%3Dj2c%26pcat%3D39%26h%3D313695%26recoff%3D5%25206% > 26dbid%3D1198%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D11&treeid=& > personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vxm831&_phstart= > successSource&usePUBJs=true > > The only discrepancy was the hair coloring according to the record and the > letter saying he was a dark haired man. > > Thus far it is the closest I can find to saying this is our family's Henry. > The 1880 census shows him and wife and two children but there aren't any > questions regarding military. > > I suppose that since he was not married at the time he enlisted his wife > whom he married later would not have gotten a pension? Uncertain about that > but supposing not. > I have not found him on any GAR list for Stephenson County nor on a > registration list. > If I would consider that he might have been in the 1st Cavalry, Company D > how can I verify this is our Henry? > > Can anyone advise me as to where to search from here. I apologize for the > lengthy posting but wanted to give a complete story of what I know thus > far... thank you > Susan Servatius Schlosser > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Try searching at fold-3.com. They have Civil War records online. This is a paid site which you can probably access for free from your local library. Also google him with cavalry, civil war, IL calvary, IL civil war troops, etc. There's a lot out there, you just have to find it. This is the url for the IL records website: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html Illinois State Archives - Genealogical Research<http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html> www.cyberdriveillinois.com Birth Records. Most Illinois counties did not begin recording births until 1877. Birth records prior to 1916 were recorded only by county clerks. Nancy Welty Ross Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA ________________________________ From: IL-CIVIL-WAR <il-civil-war-bounces+nlwross=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of susan schlosser <saschlosser1951@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:15 PM To: Illinois Civil War Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Illinois Cavalry New to this group and first posting here.. ty for having this group and hoping someone can enlighten me about what I am in search of and how to find!!! My great great grandfather was Henry Martin. He was born in 1841 in Germany and died in Freeport, Stephenson County, Illinois on 8 August 1887. He is buried in Freeport City Cemetery and his burial is on FindaGrave. It has been said in family conversations and writing that Henry served in the Civil War and was a Captain in the Cavalry. Nobody knew anything more than that except to say there was a portrait of him in the living room of his house of him sitting on his horse in full uniform. Going on the premise I started searching to verify this. Two of my second cousins-once removed, have written letters that I have copies of indicating that they knew Henry Martin until late teen years when he died suddenly. His obituary is short and really just an announcement of death. His death certificate has very little information other than the cause and it was sudden (heart attack it seems). The content of one letter says as follows, "My great grandmother Barbara Goetz Martin was a heroine of our relation. She was born in 1850 and died my second year of college, 1928." He in turn writes, 'A few years after the Civil War Great grandmother Martin married Henry Martin, 1846-1887, a handsome slender, swarthy, dark haired man who had been a cavalry captain in the union Army. I can still see the picture of him on horseback at the head of the sizable troop of cavalry, that hung in my great grandmother's front room. His being the cavalry captain was about the only thing I ever heard about him except that he was a German and probably decided that his oldest child go to the German Lutheran Parochial School. He died at 41 years before any on his children were grown up." This is all I know aside from information about his wife and children. At the cemetery there might have been records but they were destroyed in a fire. I have checked multiple lists for the Cavalry and there is a captain listed, and he was a butcher according to that record. At one time Henry was a butcher it is said. The record is on ancestry and I insert the link here and hope you can access it. http://interactive.ancestry.com/1198/MIUSA1798_102937-00152?pid=313695&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dvxm831%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln%3Dmartin%26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DGermany%26msbpn%3D3253%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0%257C3253%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26msddy%3D1887%26msrpn__ftp%3DStephenson%2520County,%2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D2791%26msrpn_PInfo%3D7-%257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C2791%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26gskw%3Dcavalry%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dj2c%26pcat%3D39%26h%3D313695%26recoff%3D5%25206%26dbid%3D1198%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D11&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vxm831&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true The only discrepancy was the hair coloring according to the record and the letter saying he was a dark haired man. Thus far it is the closest I can find to saying this is our family's Henry. The 1880 census shows him and wife and two children but there aren't any questions regarding military. I suppose that since he was not married at the time he enlisted his wife whom he married later would not have gotten a pension? Uncertain about that but supposing not. I have not found him on any GAR list for Stephenson County nor on a registration list. If I would consider that he might have been in the 1st Cavalry, Company D how can I verify this is our Henry? Can anyone advise me as to where to search from here. I apologize for the lengthy posting but wanted to give a complete story of what I know thus far... thank you Susan Servatius Schlosser ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, you didn't say so, but did you access the Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System? If he fought in a northern regiment, he's likely in it. Google CWSSS. If you can find his unit, you can request both his military and pension records from the National Archives. (Please pardon me if you've already considered these suggestions.) Dave Grimm On February 26, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Nancy Ross <nlwross@hotmail.com> wrote: Try searching at fold-3.com. They have Civil War records online. This is a paid site which you can probably access for free from your local library. Also google him with cavalry, civil war, IL calvary, IL civil war troops, etc. There's a lot out there, you just have to find it. This is the url for the IL records website: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html Illinois State Archives - Genealogical Research<http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/gen_research.html> www.cyberdriveillinois.com Birth Records. Most Illinois counties did not begin recording births until 1877. Birth records prior to 1916 were recorded only by county clerks. Nancy Welty Ross Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA ________________________________ From: IL-CIVIL-WAR <il-civil-war-bounces+nlwross=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of susan schlosser <saschlosser1951@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:15 PM To: Illinois Civil War Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Illinois Cavalry New to this group and first posting here.. ty for having this group and hoping someone can enlighten me about what I am in search of and how to find!!! My great great grandfather was Henry Martin. He was born in 1841 in Germany and died in Freeport, Stephenson County, Illinois on 8 August 1887. He is buried in Freeport City Cemetery and his burial is on FindaGrave. It has been said in family conversations and writing that Henry served in the Civil War and was a Captain in the Cavalry. Nobody knew anything more than that except to say there was a portrait of him in the living room of his house of him sitting on his horse in full uniform. Going on the premise I started searching to verify this. Two of my second cousins-once removed, have written letters that I have copies of indicating that they knew Henry Martin until late teen years when he died suddenly. His obituary is short and really just an announcement of death. His death certificate has very little information other than the cause and it was sudden (heart attack it seems). The content of one letter says as follows, "My great grandmother Barbara Goetz Martin was a heroine of our relation. She was born in 1850 and died my second year of college, 1928." He in turn writes, 'A few years after the Civil War Great grandmother Martin married Henry Martin, 1846-1887, a handsome slender, swarthy, dark haired man who had been a cavalry captain in the union Army. I can still see the picture of him on horseback at the head of the sizable troop of cavalry, that hung in my great grandmother's front room. His being the cavalry captain was about the only thing I ever heard about him except that he was a German and probably decided that his oldest child go to the German Lutheran Parochial School. He died at 41 years before any on his children were grown up." This is all I know aside from information about his wife and children. At the cemetery there might have been records but they were destroyed in a fire. I have checked multiple lists for the Cavalry and there is a captain listed, and he was a butcher according to that record. At one time Henry was a butcher it is said. The record is on ancestry and I insert the link here and hope you can access it. http://interactive.ancestry.com/1198/MIUSA1798_102937-00152?pid=313695&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dvxm831%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln%3Dmartin%26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DGermany%26msbpn%3D3253%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0%257C3253%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26msddy%3D1887%26msrpn__ftp%3DStephenson%2520County,%2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D2791%26msrpn_PInfo%3D7-%257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C2791%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26gskw%3Dcavalry%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dj2c%26pcat%3D39%26h%3D313695%26recoff%3D5%25206%26dbid%3D1198%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D11&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vxm831&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true The only discrepancy was the hair coloring according to the record and the letter saying he was a dark haired man. Thus far it is the closest I can find to saying this is our family's Henry. The 1880 census shows him and wife and two children but there aren't any questions regarding military. I suppose that since he was not married at the time he enlisted his wife whom he married later would not have gotten a pension? Uncertain about that but supposing not. I have not found him on any GAR list for Stephenson County nor on a registration list. If I would consider that he might have been in the 1st Cavalry, Company D how can I verify this is our Henry? Can anyone advise me as to where to search from here. I apologize for the lengthy posting but wanted to give a complete story of what I know thus far... thank you Susan Servatius Schlosser ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New to this group and first posting here.. ty for having this group and hoping someone can enlighten me about what I am in search of and how to find!!! My great great grandfather was Henry Martin. He was born in 1841 in Germany and died in Freeport, Stephenson County, Illinois on 8 August 1887. He is buried in Freeport City Cemetery and his burial is on FindaGrave. It has been said in family conversations and writing that Henry served in the Civil War and was a Captain in the Cavalry. Nobody knew anything more than that except to say there was a portrait of him in the living room of his house of him sitting on his horse in full uniform. Going on the premise I started searching to verify this. Two of my second cousins-once removed, have written letters that I have copies of indicating that they knew Henry Martin until late teen years when he died suddenly. His obituary is short and really just an announcement of death. His death certificate has very little information other than the cause and it was sudden (heart attack it seems). The content of one letter says as follows, "My great grandmother Barbara Goetz Martin was a heroine of our relation. She was born in 1850 and died my second year of college, 1928." He in turn writes, 'A few years after the Civil War Great grandmother Martin married Henry Martin, 1846-1887, a handsome slender, swarthy, dark haired man who had been a cavalry captain in the union Army. I can still see the picture of him on horseback at the head of the sizable troop of cavalry, that hung in my great grandmother's front room. His being the cavalry captain was about the only thing I ever heard about him except that he was a German and probably decided that his oldest child go to the German Lutheran Parochial School. He died at 41 years before any on his children were grown up." This is all I know aside from information about his wife and children. At the cemetery there might have been records but they were destroyed in a fire. I have checked multiple lists for the Cavalry and there is a captain listed, and he was a butcher according to that record. At one time Henry was a butcher it is said. The record is on ancestry and I insert the link here and hope you can access it. http://interactive.ancestry.com/1198/MIUSA1798_102937-00152?pid=313695&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dvxm831%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln%3Dmartin%26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DGermany%26msbpn%3D3253%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0%257C3253%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26msddy%3D1887%26msrpn__ftp%3DStephenson%2520County,%2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D2791%26msrpn_PInfo%3D7-%257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C2791%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26gskw%3Dcavalry%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dj2c%26pcat%3D39%26h%3D313695%26recoff%3D5%25206%26dbid%3D1198%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D11&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vxm831&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true The only discrepancy was the hair coloring according to the record and the letter saying he was a dark haired man. Thus far it is the closest I can find to saying this is our family's Henry. The 1880 census shows him and wife and two children but there aren't any questions regarding military. I suppose that since he was not married at the time he enlisted his wife whom he married later would not have gotten a pension? Uncertain about that but supposing not. I have not found him on any GAR list for Stephenson County nor on a registration list. If I would consider that he might have been in the 1st Cavalry, Company D how can I verify this is our Henry? Can anyone advise me as to where to search from here. I apologize for the lengthy posting but wanted to give a complete story of what I know thus far... thank you Susan Servatius Schlosser

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Ellen--you need to send this information to the other person that answered you query, because all I did was explain about drowning during the war. . RHonda On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Ellen Elliott < eelliott@elliottadvertising.com> wrote: > Rhonda - > > > You mention having his records and wife's application for pension. Are you > sure that you have the entire file? > If you requested the records via mail or phone, the person pulling the > records may not have copied the entire file. (it happens) > Often there is information that is redundant or of little help to, but only > you can determine what is valuable and what is not. > It can get time consuming (i.e. expensive to NARA if they are charging a > flat rate ) to have copied as some of the files are very thick. > > If you can't go in person to NARA in Washington DC, I recommend to call > NARA > in DC Phone: (866) 272-6272 and ask to speak to a Civil War specialist > before you do anything else. > > I believe Mark Mollan is still in the Civil War department. His email > address (a few years back) was mark.mollan@nara.gov. Perhaps he can > direct > you. > > I just got back from my third trip there looking for my elusive civil war > ancestor who was with the West Gulf Blockading Squadron in Mobile Bay. > Previously I had requested by mail (twice). Came back as no one with that > name. > Going in person - still no luck other than to eliminate a couple of men > with > the same name (these were army). > > In his letter to my great grandmother, he asks that he be written in care > of > the USS Monongahela. He may have been in the navy (probably) or the army > and being transported like your fellow. > I've tried searching the ship's logs, muster rolls, etc. But I would have > to camp out at NARA in order to be thorough. > Ship records according to the last specialist I spoke with were anything > but > 'shipshape'. They are sporadic at best. > > Also, the specialist told me that regular army didn't keep records until > long after the Civil War (1880's) so you are lucky that he / his wife > requested a pension. > Check if either tried for a pension more than once. > One of my other relatives had to fight for years before receiving a paltry > pension for her son who died in Memphis almost as soon as he go there of > the > measles > > Good hunting. > Ellen > > > The National Archives Building, known informally as Archives I, is the > original headquarters of the National Archives and Records Administration. > It is located north of the National Mall at 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, > Northwest, Washington, D.C. > Address: 700 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20408 > Phone: (866) 272-6272 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Kohl > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 8:38 AM > To: il-civil-war@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War > > Drowning during the war was very common, because people did not know how to > swim. The regiment I studied, the Fifth Illinois had three men drown, > mostly from falling off their horses while crossing a river. > > Rhonda Kohl > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM, <susanschlosser1951@charter.net> wrote: > > > My ancestor who served in the Civil War was Gottlieb Vollmer. He > > served in the Illinois 46th, company C and was a private. > > While on the Mississippi River somewhere between Helena Arkansas and > > Memphis Tennesse he fell off the boat and drowned. > > While I have his records and a copy of his wife's application for a > > pension, the only information I have is that he did indeed drown on > > the river in that area. The date he drowned was 14 May 1863. I have > > not been able to determine if any one else on board drowned. > > Would there ever be any way to find out what ship he was on board and > > if other men in his regiment/company were on board? > > If there is anyone that can assist me in this quest with information > > or advice on how to pursue this search, I would be most appreciative. > > thank you > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan, I have done quite a bit of research at the National Archives (I was there yesterday), and it is possible that you have most of what they can provide.  The documents most people are interested in are the service records (the muster roll cards) and the pension records.  Within the service records file there may be a casualty report, and it might contain more information about the drowning.  There are also carded medical records (which may not show anything for your Gottlieb since he drowned), and carded bookmarks which contain miscellaneous information that could be generally applicable to everyone in a regiment, or applicable to the specific individual.   It looks like the current cost of a complete pension record, which you can order online or in the mail, is $80, regardless of number of pages.  I would think that the clerks photocopy or scan the back of the documents as well as the front, but I don't know that.  To make copies or scans (on a thumb drive) of documents at NARA yourself, the cost is $0.25/page.  You can take in a computer and a flatbed scanner, or a digital camera, to take your own images - and that is free.  The NARA employees are very helpful and knowledgeable, if you have a chance to go. Currently, the Archives is digitizing pension records which will be available on Fold3.com.  They have posted a note indicating which pension records (by pension or certificate number) are not currently available at the Archives because they are being scanned. Again, I don't know if the clerks are scanning in entire files or just the documents they deem to be of genealogical interest. I hope this gives you a bit more information.  Good luck with your search! Kathy      On Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:18 AM, "il-civil-war-request@rootsweb.com" <il-civil-war-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: Today's Topics:   1. Re: Drowning during Civil War (David Grimm)   2. Re: Drowning during Civil War (Rhonda Kohl)   3. Re: Drowning during Civil War (Ellen Elliott)   4. Re: Drowning during Civil War (susanschlosser1951@charter.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 06:47:25 -0500 From: "David Grimm" <dgrimm@casscomm.com> Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War To: <il-civil-war@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000301cf95eb$651fcdb0$2f5f6910$@com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hi, Your ancestor served in a regiment which experienced a lot.  Go here: http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UI L0046RI.  This will show you what the 46th Illinois went through.  Your guy fought at Fort Donelson, Shiloh, and Vicksburg before he died!  I found Gottlieb here: http://www.ilsos.gov/isaveterans/civilMusterSearch.do?key=261965. I would write to NARA, http://www.archives.gov/, and request his military record. That is probably the most likely way to find the name of the ship.  Go to the website for info about getting records.  I've written NARA for three relatives--you get a photocopy of what they have.  I don't remember the cost, but it's inexpensive.  Good luck. Dave Grimm -----Original Message----- From: il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of susanschlosser1951@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:19 PM To: IL-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War My ancestor who served in the Civil War was Gottlieb Vollmer. He served in the Illinois 46th, company C and was a private. While on the Mississippi River somewhere between Helena Arkansas and Memphis Tennesse he fell off the boat and drowned. While I have his records and a copy of his wife's application for a pension, the only information I have is that he did indeed drown on the river in that area. The date he drowned was 14 May 1863. I have not been able to determine if any one else on board drowned. Would there ever be any way to find out what ship he was on board and if other men in his regiment/company were on board? If there is anyone that can assist me in this quest with information or advice on how to pursue this search, I would be most appreciative. thank you ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 08:37:37 -0400 From: Rhonda Kohl <5illinois@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War To: il-civil-war@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CAJTs+SM=DNrspVnUG=GFANba=UPAz=gdgcovAer-tvrVixGX9Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Drowning during the war was very common, because people did not know how to swim.  The regiment I studied, the Fifth Illinois had three men drown, mostly from falling off their horses while crossing a river. Rhonda Kohl On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM, <susanschlosser1951@charter.net> wrote: > My ancestor who served in the Civil War was Gottlieb Vollmer. He served > in the Illinois 46th, company C and was a private. > While on the Mississippi River somewhere between Helena Arkansas and > Memphis Tennesse he fell off the boat and drowned. > While I have his records and a copy of his wife's application for a > pension, the only information I have is that he did indeed drown > on the river in that area. The date he drowned was 14 May 1863. I have > not been able to determine if any one else on board drowned. > Would there ever be any way to find out what ship he was on board and if > other men in his regiment/company were on board? > If there is anyone that can assist me in this quest with information or > advice on how to pursue this search, I would be most appreciative. > thank you > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:19:02 -0400 From: "Ellen Elliott" <eelliott@elliottadvertising.com> Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War To: <il-civil-war@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000c01cf9600$95736d90$c05a48b0$@elliottadvertising.com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Rhonda - You mention having his records and wife's application for pension.  Are you sure that you have the entire file? If you requested the records via mail or phone, the person pulling the records may not have copied the entire file. (it happens) Often there is information that is redundant or of little help to, but only you can determine what is valuable and what is not. It can get time consuming (i.e. expensive to NARA if they are charging a flat rate ) to have copied as some of the files are very thick.  If you can't go in person to NARA in Washington DC, I recommend to call NARA in DC Phone: (866) 272-6272 and ask to speak to a Civil War specialist before you do anything else. I believe Mark Mollan is still in the Civil War department.  His email address (a few years back) was mark.mollan@nara.gov.  Perhaps he can direct you. I just got back from my third trip there looking for my elusive civil war ancestor who was with the West Gulf Blockading Squadron in Mobile Bay. Previously I had requested by mail (twice). Came back as no one with that name. Going in person - still no luck other than to eliminate a couple of men with the same name (these were army).  In his letter to my great grandmother, he asks that he be written in care of the USS Monongahela.  He may have been in the navy (probably) or the army and being transported like your fellow. I've tried searching the ship's logs, muster rolls, etc.  But I would have to camp out at NARA in order to be thorough.  Ship records according to the last specialist I spoke with were anything but 'shipshape'.  They are sporadic at best. Also, the specialist told me that regular army didn't keep records until long after the Civil War (1880's) so you are lucky that he / his wife requested a pension.  Check if either tried for a pension more than once.  One of my other relatives had to fight for years before receiving a paltry pension for her son who died in Memphis almost as soon as he go there of the measles Good hunting. Ellen The National Archives Building, known informally as Archives I, is the original headquarters of the National Archives and Records Administration. It is located north of the National Mall at 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, Northwest, Washington, D.C. Address: 700 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20408 Phone: (866) 272-6272 -----Original Message----- From: il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Kohl Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 8:38 AM To: il-civil-war@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War Drowning during the war was very common, because people did not know how to swim.  The regiment I studied, the Fifth Illinois had three men drown, mostly from falling off their horses while crossing a river. Rhonda Kohl On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM, <susanschlosser1951@charter.net> wrote: > My ancestor who served in the Civil War was Gottlieb Vollmer. He > served in the Illinois 46th, company C and was a private. > While on the Mississippi River somewhere between Helena Arkansas and > Memphis Tennesse he fell off the boat and drowned. > While I have his records and a copy of his wife's application for a > pension, the only information I have is that he did indeed drown on > the river in that area. The date he drowned was 14 May 1863. I have > not been able to determine if any one else on board drowned. > Would there ever be any way to find out what ship he was on board and > if other men in his regiment/company were on board? > If there is anyone that can assist me in this quest with information > or advice on how to pursue this search, I would be most appreciative. > thank you > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: susanschlosser1951@charter.net Subject: Re: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War To: il-civil-war@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7c3b433d.25663.146f79850a4.Webtop.46@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Thank you to those who have answered my inquiry. Great advice. I am double checking what I really do have and wonder if I have a complete file on Gottlieb Vollmer I have the pension application his wife filed that tells of his drowning and approximately where it happened. I also have what is titled, CARD NUMBERS and there are sheets that are Muster Rolls. There is an inventory of the effects of Gottlieb that tells where he enrolled as a Private in Freeport, Illinois. It also tells his birth place and description and occupation. It only says he drowned on 14 May 1863. Should there be any other papers? I have done a little reading on the regiment and yes, they certainly had experiences .  So I guess my question is, Would the papers I have be as complete a file as I will find? Thank you again for the information in all the emails.. this is so helpful! On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:47 AM, David Grimm wrote: > Hi, > > Your ancestor served in a regiment which experienced a lot.  Go here: > > http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UI > L0046RI.  This will show you what the 46th Illinois went through. > Your guy > fought at Fort Donelson, Shiloh, and Vicksburg before he died!  I > found > Gottlieb here: > http://www.ilsos.gov/isaveterans/civilMusterSearch.do?key=261965. I > would > write to NARA, http://www.archives.gov/, and request his military > record. > That is probably the most likely way to find the name of the ship.  Go > to > the website for info about getting records.  I've written NARA for > three > relatives--you get a photocopy of what they have.  I don't remember > the > cost, but it's inexpensive.  Good luck. > > Dave Grimm > > -----Original Message----- > From: il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:il-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > susanschlosser1951@charter.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:19 PM > To: IL-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IL-CIVIL-WAR] Drowning during Civil War > > My ancestor who served in the Civil War was Gottlieb Vollmer. He > served in > the Illinois 46th, company C and was a private. > While on the Mississippi River somewhere between Helena Arkansas and > Memphis > Tennesse he fell off the boat and drowned. > While I have his records and a copy of his wife's application for a > pension, > the only information I have is that he did indeed drown on the river > in that > area. The date he drowned was 14 May 1863. I have not been able to > determine > if any one else on board drowned. > Would there ever be any way to find out what ship he was on board and > if > other men in his regiment/company were on board? > If there is anyone that can assist me in this quest with information > or > advice on how to pursue this search, I would be most appreciative. > thank you >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IL-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the IL-CIVIL-WAR list administrator, send an email to IL-CIVIL-WAR-admin@rootsweb.com. 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