Did Spencer Pennell, veterinarian, 1930 IL census, ever have a middle initial or middle name that you are aware of? As you know, some people drop their first names and use their middle names - confusing the heck out of researchers!! Here are the only two Pennell families in the 1850 NC Census with small children. Do any first names look like they've come down in the lineage? Do you know of the Cox woman? Then of course there are NC 'Pinnell' families with small children... Possibilities? 1850 Census: North Carolina County: Caldwell (Township: Yadkin) King's Creek District Enum. Date: Sept. 5th, 1850 M432_623; page 38 -Pennell Household- -Wesley Pennell, age 30, Farmer, Real estate value: $300.00, born: NC -Celia, age 27, Born: NC -Newman, age 6, born: NC -Thomas, age 5, born: NC -Samuel, age 3, born: NC -William, age 1, born: NC -Bethany Cox, age 80, Born: VA -or- 1850 U.S. Census North Carolina County: Onslow Township: Half Moon Enum. Date: Sept. 15, 1850 M432_639, page 93 -Pennell Household- -Eliza Ann Pennell, age 27 -Edir (Dder, Eden?) D., age 6, male -Thas. (Thad.?) R., age 4, male -Julius Caesar, age 93, male, Mullato Kathleen "... born about 1846 in North Carolina but I don't know which county or anything about his parents or siblings. Then he moved to Pulaski County, Illinois; I believe in 1880..." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!