I agree with Sheila. The reason we are here is for the counties not the coordinators. While yes they are the backbone - it's not a mandatory necessity. barbL Sheila wrote: > The counties were always there just not the names. The county is the > important part, not the person's name. > > >X-From_: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com Tue Jan 25 21:31:54 2000 > >Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:29:43 -0800 (PST) > >From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> > >Old-To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: Re: [IGW] what? > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:16:10 -0800 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > >To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-From: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > >Reply-To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/351 > >X-Loop: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >I also agree, but it took awhile to get there. Until a short time ago the > >counties and hosts were not listed on the front page. > >Don > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> > >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 3:40 PM > >Subject: [IGW] what? > > > > > >> I do not understand why there was discussion about the main page? > >> What's the beef? > >> > >> http://pa-roots.com/ireland/index.html > >> > >> I think the main page of the Ireland Genweb looks very nice. It is clean > >> and has all the necessary information on it. The side pages are very good > >> and explain things in detail. > >> > >> I think Nate has done an excellent job with the main site. > >> > >> Sheila > >> > >> > >> > > > >

The counties were always there just not the names. The county is the important part, not the person's name. >X-From_: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com Tue Jan 25 21:31:54 2000 >Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:29:43 -0800 (PST) >From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> >Old-To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [IGW] what? >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:16:10 -0800 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/351 >X-Loop: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com > >I also agree, but it took awhile to get there. Until a short time ago the >counties and hosts were not listed on the front page. >Don >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 3:40 PM >Subject: [IGW] what? > > >> I do not understand why there was discussion about the main page? >> What's the beef? >> >> http://pa-roots.com/ireland/index.html >> >> I think the main page of the Ireland Genweb looks very nice. It is clean >> and has all the necessary information on it. The side pages are very good >> and explain things in detail. >> >> I think Nate has done an excellent job with the main site. >> >> Sheila >> >> >> > >

I also agree, but it took awhile to get there. Until a short time ago the counties and hosts were not listed on the front page. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 3:40 PM Subject: [IGW] what? > I do not understand why there was discussion about the main page? > What's the beef? > > http://pa-roots.com/ireland/index.html > > I think the main page of the Ireland Genweb looks very nice. It is clean > and has all the necessary information on it. The side pages are very good > and explain things in detail. > > I think Nate has done an excellent job with the main site. > > Sheila > > >

And your point is? BarbL Waterlilys@aol.com wrote: > This is a bit off topic but I think of use to you... > > On the bottom of the Kerry homepage is a link to IGW (Ireland GenWeb), when > you click on its logo you go the the IGW homepage... > > on its homepage is a link to the Irish mailing lists : > > http://pa-roots.com/ireland/maillist.html > > There is also on the IGW homepage a list of the other county sites . > > You can always get to IGW from the kerry site. > > mary

I do not understand why there was discussion about the main page? What's the beef? http://pa-roots.com/ireland/index.html I think the main page of the Ireland Genweb looks very nice. It is clean and has all the necessary information on it. The side pages are very good and explain things in detail. I think Nate has done an excellent job with the main site. Sheila

In a message dated 1/25/2000 6:37:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, hhelser@bright.net writes: Sheila, << The counties were always there just not the names. The county is the important part, not the person's name. >> If we want to fill county vacancies; knowing the site is hosted or not is of utmost importance to any future interested parties. Until very recently just looking at that list a potential volunteer couldn't tell if their help was needed or not... not a very efficient way to encourage volunteers. Also its very helpful for us county hosts and researchers to know each others names/email connections and county associations without the additional hassle of going to each site to look for it . As you said the county list is important, probably the most important to our researchers ... if it wasnt for our leadership team, that list of counties may not have been on the homepage at all! maryt co kerry irelandgenweb

Sorry, my last post to here was supposed to be to my IRL-Kerry mailing list ... clicked on the wrong address in by address book! Sorry for the confusion. maryt

Sheila and Jack, et al. Open servers problem blocking messages to closed servers. Open servers can access your hard drive. Closed servers cannot. This is a higher standard of security to help stop unsolicited email and surfers from accessing your files. You will receive an email shortly on this list from a security detective who will explain what is happening to you this week, and how you can correct it. This is by list because everyone on an open server protocal could (will) be affected. That probably means more of us. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: [IGW] re:Jack Reidy > As I recall, someone blackholed Jack Reidy's server also, as someone > blackholed my server. > > >>>Bright.net-Someone blackholed the server 205.212.123.5 > > Sheila >

Mine was blackholed too. ISP still tracing to find out what happened or at least who did it. Not nice. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: [IGW] re:Jack Reidy > As I recall, someone blackholed Jack Reidy's server also, as someone > blackholed my server. > > >>>Bright.net-Someone blackholed the server 205.212.123.5 > > Sheila >

As I recall, someone blackholed Jack Reidy's server also, as someone blackholed my server. >>>Bright.net-Someone blackholed the server 205.212.123.5 Sheila

>From Jack...... -----Original Message----- From: Jack Reidy [mailto:jackreidy@email.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:35 AM To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} offline Hope this gets to the IGW list. I'm temporarily offline due to the weather problems in Atlanta. In fact, we've had no electricity or heat in our house since Sunday. And I can't access my emails to my home address. So I'm using web-based email - jackreidy@email.com. So I'm looking foward to getting back and reading all of your emails. Just wanted to let you know why I've not answered if anybody asked me anything. Jack Reidy Limerick - --------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com

Nate....re Jack's problem, can we forward to his temporary email address all message posted in the past three days? Thanks. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Zipfel" <nate@gte.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: [IGW] FW: {not a subscriber} offline > >From Jack...... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Reidy [mailto:jackreidy@email.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:35 AM > To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: {not a subscriber} offline > > > Hope this gets to the IGW list. > > I'm temporarily offline due to the weather problems in Atlanta. In fact, > we've had no electricity or heat in our house since Sunday. And I can't > access my emails to my home address. > > So I'm using web-based email - jackreidy@email.com. > > So I'm looking foward to getting back and reading all of your emails. Just > wanted to let you know why I've not answered if anybody asked me anything. > > Jack Reidy > Limerick > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > >

This is a bit off topic but I think of use to you... On the bottom of the Kerry homepage is a link to IGW (Ireland GenWeb), when you click on its logo you go the the IGW homepage... on its homepage is a link to the Irish mailing lists : http://pa-roots.com/ireland/maillist.html There is also on the IGW homepage a list of the other county sites . You can always get to IGW from the kerry site. mary

Nate and fellow IrelandGenWeb hosts: I wish to withdraw my name from the upcoming election for the IGW leadership. Furthermore, I support Don Kelly in his ideals and committment to the IrelandGenWeb project. He has displayed far more self-control and leadership qualities than I feel I would have to offer the project. - --------------------------- I apologize to all for this delay in submitting my withdrawal - my computer system had been down for over a week and my internet connection is still 'iffy' at best for some reason. I'm keeping this message short in hopes that I will manage to finally get it posted. Thank you! Mary Kelly Co. Tipperary

I was told to use IreGenWeb when I first came on under Diane - just before she left. Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 05:01 PM 1/21/00 -0600, Maura wrote: >Don, > >I've seen a few times where you , and maybe a few others , refer to >"IRGenWeb". > >I've never seen anything other than spelling out IrelandGenWeb , or >abbreviating it to IGW for this project (other than the brief "new >IrelandGenWeb time). What then is IRGenWeb? Irish Republic? > >I'm not arguing, just asking...... > > >Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net >***********************************

----- Original Message ----- From: Donkelly To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] Communication Question Nate Zipfel asked: Question #2: How would you work to improve communication with the county hosts? Thank you Nate for this clear, concise and relevant question. 1. Maintain a mailing list for CC's and separate mailing lists for committees. We are all adults. I favor freedom of speech, not control of speech. Actions by committees or the NC and other relevant issues shall be regularly reported to the hosts. No assumptions ever that everyone already knows. 2. Have an experienced host volunteer to greet as "Welcome Host" all new county hosts as soon as their names are posted. 3. Have experienced host volunteers to pair off with new hosts to help them get boards and pages up and running, direct them to new resources, etc., and remain available to help through emergencies. 4. On the main Ireland page include the following directory information: Names of all counties with names of hosts of counties and boards, clearly showing counties available for adoption; References to main Genuki, Gen Connect pages etc., where new hosts can find Reference information; Same for listing all genealogical and related societies in Ireland. URL's of all Ireland related genealogical or historical based mailing lists where visitors can join. 5. All areas of traditional means of communication need improvement. We will work on that together. Thank you all. I hereby ask for YOUR votes. Don Kelly, your candidate for NC ============================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [IGW] Communication Question > Question: How would you work to improve communication with the county hosts? > > Hello and good morning > This is a very tricky question. > > As the coordinator one has certain obligations. The site maintenance being part > of it. > Communication being another. However, how does one know when there > is enough communication going on and when there is too much? It is a fine line. > > I do have some thoughts which come to mind: > First: as a country coordinator I would make it perfectly clear > no flaming, bickering or bullying on the list would be tolerated. It is quite > obvious > even now what happens when people resort to such tactics. Personal attacks as > we've > seen in the last few weeks is uncalled for. No one needs to be constantly > badgered, or demonized. > > Obviously there are decisions which a country coordinator can and should make > on their own - ex: design of the main web site. However, policy and procedure > could be discussed. > > We could have a county roll call quarterly to see who is still here. When new > members > come on board, they should be announced. Perhaps a liaison committee could help > with > the transition process. > > All of these open communication between the coordinators. However, it is not > just the job > of the Country Coordinator to keep up the lines of communication. It is the > responsibility > of each coordinator to LISTEN to everyone and not just hear. It is a > 2 way street. Shouting accomplishes nothing but build resentment. No one > listens when > they hear shouting. Communication is maintained when everyone listens with open > ears and eyes. > Then and only then can anything of value be accomplished. > > > Barb Lavin > IGW Coordinator Nominee > > > > > > Nathan Zipfel wrote: > > > I have been asked to add to the list of questions that I had to the nominees > > the following: > > > > How would you work to improve communication with the county hosts? > > > > If anyone has questions to ask the nominees, please feel free to ask, no > > need to go through me. > > > > Nate > > >

Thanks Jack. Working on it. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Reidy" <jreidy@writeme.com> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: [IGW] [Don Fwd: Returned mail: Service unavailable] > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Don, > > I sent the below to your address and this is going to the list because > the regular email bounced. It seems your email is going into a black > hole! Maybe the error message will help you ISP figure out what is > going on. > > Jack > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:40 -0500 (EST) > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@smtp.atl.mediaone.net> > To: <jreidy@writeme.com> > > The original message was received at Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:38 -0500 > (EST) > from client37154.atl.mediaone.net [24.88.37.154] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <donkelly@grovenet.net> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to grovenet.net.: > >>> MAIL From:<jreidy@writeme.com> > <<< 550 Mail from 24.92.1.152 refused by blackhole list. orbs.org or > maps.vix.com > 554 <donkelly@grovenet.net>... Service unavailable > --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4 > Content-Type: message/delivery-status; > name="nsmailKC.TMP" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="nsmailKC.TMP" > > Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp.atl.mediaone.net > Received-From-MTA: DNS; client37154.atl.mediaone.net > Arrival-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; donkelly@grovenet.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: DNS; grovenet.net > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Mail from 24.92.1.152 refused by blackhole list. orbs.org or maps.vix.com > Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:40 -0500 (EST) > > > --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4 > Content-Type: message/rfc822; > name="nsmailFQ.TMP" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="nsmailFQ.TMP" > > Return-Path: <jreidy@writeme.com> > Received: from writeme.com (client37154.atl.mediaone.net [24.88.37.154]) > by smtp.atl.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23769 > for <donkelly@grovenet.net>; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) > Message-ID: <3889E3A8.985E3F1@writeme.com> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:06:48 -0500 > From: Jack Reidy <jreidy@writeme.com> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-MOEATL (Win95; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: donkelly@grovenet.net > Subject: Re: Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > References: <NDBBJHDFKECINDJBPCBKMEOLDLAA.nate@gte.net> <000301bf64f6$980a2f80$0b82d2d1@don> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is off the list. Nothing on list (except this) today. > > Jack > > Donkelly wrote: > > > > Having trouble O & O for a week. Thanks for the touch. I'll resend the > > answer#2 by IGW list tomorrow. Perhaps things will be better then. I really > > miss feedback. Thanks for the touch. Did you get one from me today off list? > > > > A black hole is eating my messages. > > > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nathan Zipfel" <nate@gte.net> > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 10:04 PM > > Subject: RE: [IGW] Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > > > > > Don, > > > > > > the only messages that I saw from you today was the discussion regarding > > > IRGenWeb name.... > > > > > > Nate > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 5:43 PM > > > To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [IGW] Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > > > > > > > > > Sheila.......you are the first message from IGW I received today. I will > > > handle your request for Sligo photographs off list. > > > > > > You do mean the pictures taken by my cousin in London? > > > It'll take a little while, but I'll get back soon. Don > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > Attn.: Nate. I answered question #2 on the list this morning and have > > > received no acknowledgment. Did you receive it? Don > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jack Reidy jreidy@writeme.com > http://www.geocities.com/jackreidy/ > has Limerick & Irish Genealogy, REIDYs, Books, etc > http://jackreidy.homepage.com/ > > > --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4-- >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Don, I sent the below to your address and this is going to the list because the regular email bounced. It seems your email is going into a black hole! Maybe the error message will help you ISP figure out what is going on. Jack -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:40 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@smtp.atl.mediaone.net> To: <jreidy@writeme.com> The original message was received at Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) from client37154.atl.mediaone.net [24.88.37.154] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <donkelly@grovenet.net> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to grovenet.net.: >>> MAIL From:<jreidy@writeme.com> <<< 550 Mail from 24.92.1.152 refused by blackhole list. orbs.org or maps.vix.com 554 <donkelly@grovenet.net>... Service unavailable --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4 Content-Type: message/delivery-status; name="nsmailKC.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmailKC.TMP" Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp.atl.mediaone.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; client37154.atl.mediaone.net Arrival-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; donkelly@grovenet.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; grovenet.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Mail from 24.92.1.152 refused by blackhole list. orbs.org or maps.vix.com Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:40 -0500 (EST) --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmailFQ.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmailFQ.TMP" Return-Path: <jreidy@writeme.com> Received: from writeme.com (client37154.atl.mediaone.net [24.88.37.154]) by smtp.atl.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23769 for <donkelly@grovenet.net>; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3889E3A8.985E3F1@writeme.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:06:48 -0500 From: Jack Reidy <jreidy@writeme.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-MOEATL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: donkelly@grovenet.net Subject: Re: Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable References: <NDBBJHDFKECINDJBPCBKMEOLDLAA.nate@gte.net> <000301bf64f6$980a2f80$0b82d2d1@don> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is off the list. Nothing on list (except this) today. Jack Donkelly wrote: > > Having trouble O & O for a week. Thanks for the touch. I'll resend the > answer#2 by IGW list tomorrow. Perhaps things will be better then. I really > miss feedback. Thanks for the touch. Did you get one from me today off list? > > A black hole is eating my messages. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Zipfel" <nate@gte.net> > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 10:04 PM > Subject: RE: [IGW] Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > > > Don, > > > > the only messages that I saw from you today was the discussion regarding > > IRGenWeb name.... > > > > Nate > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 5:43 PM > > To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [IGW] Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > > > > > > Sheila.......you are the first message from IGW I received today. I will > > handle your request for Sligo photographs off list. > > > > You do mean the pictures taken by my cousin in London? > > It'll take a little while, but I'll get back soon. Don > > > > > > ================================= > > Attn.: Nate. I answered question #2 on the list this morning and have > > received no acknowledgment. Did you receive it? Don > > > > ================================= > > > > > > -- Jack Reidy jreidy@writeme.com http://www.geocities.com/jackreidy/ has Limerick & Irish Genealogy, REIDYs, Books, etc http://jackreidy.homepage.com/ --------------6CCCEDC8B3002FDA4DD508B4--

Dear County Hosts, I have just posted on my Kerry site, an essay and data about a 1824 Survey of Irish Schools on Microfiche one of my listers wrote, that might be of interest to all the counties. Feel free to link to it: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/schoolsur.html maryt co kerry iregenweb

Having trouble O & O for a week. Thanks for the touch. I'll resend the answer#2 by IGW list tomorrow. Perhaps things will be better then. I really miss feedback. Thanks for the touch. Did you get one from me today off list? A black hole is eating my messages. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Zipfel" <nate@gte.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 10:04 PM Subject: RE: [IGW] Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > Don, > > the only messages that I saw from you today was the discussion regarding > IRGenWeb name.... > > Nate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 5:43 PM > To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IGW] Don---Returned mail: Service unavailable > > > Sheila.......you are the first message from IGW I received today. I will > handle your request for Sligo photographs off list. > > You do mean the pictures taken by my cousin in London? > It'll take a little while, but I'll get back soon. Don > > > ================================= > Attn.: Nate. I answered question #2 on the list this morning and have > received no acknowledgment. Did you receive it? Don > > ================================= > > >