The url provided comes up as a '404 Not Found' error for me? Point being? Barb don't you alone possess the password for your own county site on rootsweb? Or do we all possibly have access to each other's sites if we are on the rootsweb 'irl' project? Hmmm - if I host the Co. Tipperary for IrelandGenWEb - does that mean that no one else can ever post a site about Co. Tip for any reason, past, present or future; barring unforeseen circumstances or even possibly 'tampering' by third parties? Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 02:36 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Maura >why is this page up? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkid/Kildare.html > >BarbL > > >

Barb - I disagree that the main site is not accessed as often as a county page - on the whole I find that I load the main site page very often indeed! Why would I have possibly 32 separate books marks for Ireland when one would do very well instead. I assume that you are assuming each researcher has an interest in only 1 county? Hmm - not likely. When would a researcher not load the main site for whatever reason? No one HAS to look at something that they are not interested in - but the does it hurt anything if the info is provided anyway - just in case? Now let me see - following your own reasoning about tables being slow to load - perhaps that explains why your Co. Kildare page loads slowly for me (old computer) since the almost the entire content of the page is set up within tables, including some graphics, which of course would load only after the table itself is loaded. Actually as you well know, with your html skills, that simple little red and green icons would actually load very quickly indeed as there would be only 2 actual graphics to be loaded, regardless of the number of times the graphic is repeated within the document itself - if a graphic appears only once or 20 times within a document, it is still only uploaded once. Mary Kelly Co. Tipperary At 01:20 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Don, >Exactly when do you think the researcher will be accessing the main page? >And if they are moving on quickly - will they really be interested in seeing >the coordinators name ? Since that would possibly require a table - which >for some people loads >sllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooowwwwwwwllllllllllllllllyyyyyyy >which takes away from the idea of fast. > >You brought up the idea of little green and red houses - won't this add to the >loading time?? >So they in themselves defeat the purpose of in and out. I was under the >impression >people go to the main page maybe once or twice- maybe a few more times. But as >a whole >they bookmark the county page so they can go right to their resource. Which >means they >by-pass the main page. Sometimes they return to ask the coordinator a question >or >look for generic links but as a whole the main page is visited on the average >less then >the county page. So fast, fast, fast may not be what they need. > >BarbL > >Donkelly wrote: > >> Thanks for the support Mary. Don't be too sure about possible relationships. >> I cam from Connaught so I bet I have a lot of cousins around there. >> >> Back to the page, I see best function as being fast to load (maximized) and >> informational. >> Researchers need to load the page fast, navigate fast, and move on fast. For >> the most part, they may be distracted by little dancing green men. <grin> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] voting >> >> > Enthusiasm, and honesty are indeed invaluable qualities - but so is the >> > ability to stand up under pressure, coolheadedness in crisis, people >> > skills, simple communication skills, willingness to discuss a subject even >> > if you do not necessarily consider it to be of any importance personally. >> > The ability to recognize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion >> > (however silly you may consider it personally) is also very important. >> > Committment to a project in a non-selfserving way is important to me when >> > considering a leader. >> > >> > Site design? As has been stated previously by yourself - you like >> > different sites because of the ideas they provide - we are all able to >> > access and utilize the same ideas and am I sure have our own capabilities >> > and ideas. I personally am of the opinion that things should be kept low >> > tech for the benefit of the vast majority of serious researchers that are >> > interested in genealogical information - not flashy high tech animations >> or >> > gimmicks. Not everyone has the benefit of cheap, speedy, high tech access >> > to the web. Again, we will all have our own opinions about web design, >> > that is why each of our sites is different - or is there a qualified site >> > analyist amongst our ranks? >> > >> > I support DON KELLY for host (no relation!) >> > >> > Mary Kelly >> > Co. Tip >> > >> > >> > >> > At 12:01 AM 1/26/00 -0500, Sheila wrote: >> > >Do we need a politician? >> > >Or do we need enthusiasm, honesty, and someone experienced in site design >> > >and maintenence? >> > > >> > >Will decisions be made by one or two persons or the group? >> > >And just what needs to be decided? >> > > >> > >Are there others on this mail-list who hide in the branches of the tree? >> > > >> > >THE ROAD NOT TAKEN >> > > >> > > Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, >> > > And sorry I could not travel both >> > > And be one traveler, long I stood >> > > And looked down one as far as I could >> > > To where it bent in the undergrowth; >> > > Then took the other, as just as fair, >> > > And having perhaps the better claim, >> > > Because it was grassy and wanted wear; >> > > Though as for that the passing there >> > > Had worn them really about the same, >> > > And both that morning equally lay >> > > In leaves no step had trodden black. >> > > Oh, I kept the first for another day! >> > > Yet knowing how way leads on to way, >> > > I doubted if I should ever come back. >> > > I shall be telling this with a sigh >> > > Somewhere ages and ages hence: >> > > Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- >> > > I took the one less traveled by, >> > > And that has made all the difference. >> > > *Robert Frost* >> > > >> > > >> > >I support Barb Lavin for IGW Country host. >> > > >> > >Sheila >> > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ >> > > /) http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ >> > > /\___/\ (( http://www.bright.net/~mohrbows/ >> > > \`@_@'/ )) The essence of humanity /~(_)~\ >> > > {_:Y:.}_// is in the pursuit of the arts! | :=:======II >> > >--{_}^-'{_}----------------------------------- \_(~)_/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >

Oh my - Don's suggestion follows your own parties suggestion of icons instead of names - are we not entitled to discuss what your own suggested replacement for hosts names could actually consist of. Don was agreeing with your own suggestions - why disagree with him? Let's see your part of the message agreed (most empathically) with Sheila's suggestions (with personal joyous expressions of your own feelings). Don's part of the message also agreed with Sheila's suggestions, and included what he thought an icon could possibly consist of. Why is an attack of his agreement considered appropriate? The icon he suggested would be about as minimal as could possibly be designed by anyone (at least I didn't read anything in his reply about anything that could be considered excessive or high tech - indeed it is about as low tech as you could get - without actually reverting to the lowest 'tech' option of a bit of html coding, say like, a name for instance). There are so many more important issues ahead for our project - why are you so hung up on these little issues - why is it necessary to protest things that don't really need protesting. I am doing it because I want to figure out why I am supporting one person as our leader and not another - by trying to figure out what it is that you are protesting and the importance that you appear to be allocating to things that are, as you have already stated 'trivial' instead of seeming to tackle the biggies for a leader - like the basic communication skills, like the ability to listen and consider and process the opinions of others. I support Don Kelly as leader! Mary Kelly Co. Tipperary At 12:26 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >I thought you were for keeping the graphics to a min?? >BarbL > >Donkelly wrote: > >> I like all of these. How about a little house beside each county, green if >> occupied and red if vacant. Click on a vacant house and pop-up adoption >> instructions. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] fame >> >> > oooooooo Sheila they are wonderful ideas!! >> > Including the name change - LOVE IT!!!!! >> > >> > Sheila wrote: >> > >> > > Can one gain fame from having their name posted on an IGW - WGW main >> site? >> > > >> > > Perhaps a new wave to the future would be to have only the sites listed >> and >> > > then have vacant beside the counties needing hosts. >> > > >> > > Maybe have a little icon shape of the county beside the county name >> instead >> > > of the hosts name. Or maybe a clickable image map of Ireland, county >> names >> > > only. >> > > >> > > So many possibilites for ÉireGenWeb . >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

? Barb - why would you question someone else's choice of keeping a history of any project - I don't see that it was presented that anyone 'needed' it - it was stated (paraphrased) that it '...suits Don's own sense of detail and his urge of committment' . Gee - maybe it would be of particular interest to new coordinators if they could actually see the history of the projects and the stated opinions of various parties involved. Our project has had a stormy and sometimes nasty past - a factual history would seem likely to put a stop to all the 'you said' 'he said's - not an unwelcome prospect at this point. An actual history could also provide info on who did actually make those decisions that come back to haunt us years later and that everyone apparently wants to blame on anyone else and take no responsiblity for - a dedicated leader would be expected to take the good with the bad - regardless of what that may be. I'm not particulary saying that I would consider a historian important myself - but I CERTAINLY think that it IS IMPORTANT that someone could suggest it (or anything else) without being submitted to the third degree. Mary Kelly Co. Tipperary At 12:25 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Why would you keep the history of the project? >Do the new coordinators need it? Or the researchers?? > >BarbL > >Donkelly wrote: > >> Well, I keep thinking of having a historian keep the history of this >> project, on a back page somewhere. Having all of the names there ever were >> suits my since of detail and satisfies my urge to honor. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] fame >> >> > oooooooo Sheila they are wonderful ideas!! >> > Including the name change - LOVE IT!!!!! >> > >> > Sheila wrote: >> > >> > > Can one gain fame from having their name posted on an IGW - WGW main >> site? >> > > >> > > Perhaps a new wave to the future would be to have only the sites listed >> and >> > > then have vacant beside the counties needing hosts. >> > > >> > > Maybe have a little icon shape of the county beside the county name >> instead >> > > of the hosts name. Or maybe a clickable image map of Ireland, county >> names >> > > only. >> > > >> > > So many possibilites for ÉireGenWeb . >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Hmmm! personally I AM HERE FOR THE COUNTRY - IRELAND - the fact that I try to present one little section of that country is beside the point. What do we - all the hosts and all the counties present if not the country itself - are we not all part of the same project? (Ireland) I doubt if there is one county host who does not consider themselves as part of the IRELAND project as a whole - or why would we devote our time and efforts - certainly we are not involved in the LEADERSHIP of the project, but we are the project none the less - and would appreciate having some input and knowing at least that our opinions are considered rather than just being told that our concerns are just not important to the person in charge of making our project a cohesive and pleasant place to visit on the internet. Barb! Now that I think of it - I DO NOT LIKE YOUR presuming to say that I am not here for the country of origin of some of my ancestors on both my maternal and paternal family lines - protestant and catholic, north or south - they were both IRISH! I AM here for Ireland - I AM here for the project! I WANT A LEADER that is concerned with all aspects of the project - not just personally chosen bits here and there. The counties are Ireland - Ireland is the counties - isn't that what the project is about? All we want is a leader that can see the overall picture instead of just chosen items of interest. Mary Kelly Co. tipperary At 12:23 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >This was sent to me in error and not the list: > ><quote> I'm glad you stated where your priorities are Barb. Without hosts, you >have >no pages, all you have is bulletin boards <quote> > >Actually Don that's not what I was saying >I was saying: the county host is here for the county - not the country >I, the county coordinator, am not here to see my name in lights on the country >page - I am >here to get the information to the researcher. That's my main purpose. Whether >it be in >Ireland or Pa. If the coordinator puts my name in lights is strictly up to >them. >People will visit my counties whether they see me on the main page or not. > >BarbL > >Donkelly wrote: > >> I'm glad you stated where your priorities are Barb. Without hosts, you have >> no pages, all you have is bulletin boards. >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] what? >> >> > I agree with Sheila. The reason we are here is for the counties not >> > the coordinators. While yes they are the backbone - it's not >> > a mandatory necessity. >> > >> > barbL >> > >> > Sheila wrote: >> > >> > > The counties were always there just not the names. The county is the >> > > important part, not the person's name. >> > > >> > > >X-From_: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com Tue Jan 25 21:31:54 2000 >> > > >Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:29:43 -0800 (PST) >> > > >From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> >> > > >Old-To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > >Subject: Re: [IGW] what? >> > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:16:10 -0800 >> > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >> > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >> > > >To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > > >Resent-From: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > > >Reply-To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > > >X-Mailing-List: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/351 >> > > >X-Loop: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > > >Resent-Sender: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > >> > > >I also agree, but it took awhile to get there. Until a short time ago >> the >> > > >counties and hosts were not listed on the front page. >> > > >Don >> > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > >From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> >> > > >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 3:40 PM >> > > >Subject: [IGW] what? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> I do not understand why there was discussion about the main page? >> > > >> What's the beef? >> > > >> >> > > >> http://pa-roots.com/ireland/index.html >> > > >> >> > > >> I think the main page of the Ireland Genweb looks very nice. It is >> clean >> > > >> and has all the necessary information on it. The side pages are very >> good >> > > >> and explain things in detail. >> > > >> >> > > >> I think Nate has done an excellent job with the main site. >> > > >> >> > > >> Sheila >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Now you want folks to actually have to click on a county to see if it is up for adoption? Thank goodness there are only 26 (32?) counties in Ireland. You would want to be a determined person to go to so many sites to see if someone wants you to adopt it - and that doesn't cover those sites that sometimes are just dropped and not updated - probably the disinterested host won't have conveniently posted an 'up for adoption sign' for all to see. I don't see going to any 'county' site as the option for posting the fact that we need a voluteer - although it could certainly be included on unhosted sites - didn't it used to be? This 'trivial' point is being objected to so strenously - all I say is that it does no harm, takes no extra time to show a name for a county, no extra web space, is unobtrusive and is more welcoming to researchers when they know there may be a live person connected to the site they are going to! I don't think that anyone has tried to say names should be mandatory - just that we miss the bit of extra information provided previously and find it more welcoming and friendly. Why is it bothering some of us so much that names are present and some of us are in favour of that fact (names had been there since 1997 when I joined the project) - if for some reason you wouldn't want your name posted (some folks are still afraid of having their real name posted on-line for whatever reason) then it could simply say 'hosted' etc. Mary Kelly Co. Tipperary Host At 12:01 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: ><quote>I respectfully disagree. Knowing what counties are available for adoption >is >vitally important. So are the CC's.<end quote> > > >I don't think that's the issue here;the issue here is the country > Having the county coordinator's name on the main IGW page is, in a matter of >speaking, trivial. >While yes I would like to know who the coordinators are - it is not a mandatory >necessity. >What is necessary is knowing there is a county where one can link to. >What is important is what is on the county pages.The coordinators are the >backbone of the >project - but how the country coordinator makes the main IGW page is strictly >personal. > >While yes knowledge of, needing to know what needs to be adopted is important >and relevant - can't the same information be obtained by clicking on the county >and seeing an I NEED TO BE ADOPTED SIGN? Does it matter whether I the >new coordinator candidate clicks on the link and finds out if the county is up >for >adoption or whether an adoption sign is seen on the main page? >Probably not. However, I'm sure Nate has/had his reasons why he did not >do this. > >BarbL > >Donkelly wrote: > >> I respectfully disagree. Knowing what counties are available for adoption is >> vitally important. So are the CC's. Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] what? >> >> > >> > The counties were always there just not the names. The county is the >> > important part, not the person's name. >> > >> > >X-From_: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com Tue Jan 25 21:31:54 2000 >> > >Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:29:43 -0800 (PST) >> > >From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> >> > >Old-To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > >Subject: Re: [IGW] what? >> > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:16:10 -0800 >> > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >> > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >> > >To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > >Resent-From: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > >Reply-To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > >X-Mailing-List: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/351 >> > >X-Loop: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > >Resent-Sender: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > >I also agree, but it took awhile to get there. Until a short time ago the >> > >counties and hosts were not listed on the front page. >> > >Don >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> >> > >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 3:40 PM >> > >Subject: [IGW] what? >> > > >> > > >> > >> I do not understand why there was discussion about the main page? >> > >> What's the beef? >> > >> >> > >> http://pa-roots.com/ireland/index.html >> > >> >> > >> I think the main page of the Ireland Genweb looks very nice. It is >> clean >> > >> and has all the necessary information on it. The side pages are very >> good >> > >> and explain things in detail. >> > >> >> > >> I think Nate has done an excellent job with the main site. >> > >> >> > >> Sheila >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >

Nate, I have repeatedly said I have never had anything to do with Kildare. What part of that did you, or anyone not understand? I also stated that if something is up, it is likely been put up by someone who used to have control over many of the counties. You are aware of who that person is, and the problems they have been causing then and of late. What is the problem here? I'm told I"m being called a liar by a certain candidate in private emails off list, and this has kicked off a thread that never needed to happen. I could care less about this , and I fail to see why Barbara is so concerned. And it certainly could have been asked of me privately so as NOT to become an issue on this list. I also fail to see how my first answers to Barbara could be deemed "hostile". Tho now my Irish is certainly up over this non-issue. I don't like being called a liar. Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net *********************************** Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only the word subscribe in the body of an email to SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com for the digest version

Barbara.... since you refuse to write to me privately, I'll send this to the list. Why is it of any concern of yours what my name is on? Unless you are "worried" about something? You must have a LOT of free time being in charge of ALL you are to spend lots of time searching around the web at leisure trying to find things with my name and Don's name on it? "Curious", I think not. Why are you so concerned with who I say what to? Worried about something? Who do you write to off list? Gee, Barbara , as a candidate for office here, you're certainly showing me (and everyone I guess) what your management style is.... I am not interested in an argument with you. I've purposely tried to stay off this list and out of things until YOU dragged me into this current situation by writing what should have been a private note to me to the whole list. A great example of why the hosts emails are on the main page now isn't it? Just go to the main page and find whoever you need to find! It's really so simple and helpful! And lastly, I"ve been biting my fingers on this comment for awhile , but your continuing to bring up and drag up the leadership team into issues which are over and done with leads me to say..... gee Barbara, if you're so concerned about it, too bad you weren't -chosen- to be on it, huh? Then you would have -known- what happened. Now I kindly suggest you leave me alone, and go back to running for office. Your continual picking at people is doing nothing to help us in general here. Let it go and get on with your life. Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net *********************************** Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only the word subscribe in the body of an email to SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com for the digest version

There is somewhat of an abbreviated history of the IGW on-line. It doesn't list the individuals involved. Nate http://pa-roots.com/ireland/about.html

Don, I did the same search that apparently Barb did and this is what I found that she was referencing. "County Kildare - County Kildare Ireland Please Adopt me I'm really lonesome! Just tell Maura that you will! Church Records Description and Travel Genealogy History Periodicals Church of Ireland Parish Registers Roman Catholic Parish Registers County Kildare... --http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkid/Kildare.html" This might have been one of the counties that Maura was babysitting at one point. I think that was the point of the question. Nate -----Original Message----- From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:24 PM To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IGW] Re: KILDARE You could check your sources before accusing. This is no longer acceptable behavior. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] Re: KILDARE > maura > first what are you talking about with Don? > Second - apparently someone did put your name on the contact page > if I can find it again I will most certainly show you > third - do I really need to answer why would I be going through Yahoo > looking for Kildare links?? > > You are correct I must consider the source > > Sorry to put this on the list, when I hit reply to sender, it brings it back to > the list > please accept my apologies. My puter is not allowing me to copy and paste > despite rebooting. > > BarbL > > Maura wrote: > > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Well, yahoo is confused. > > > > I never hosted Kildare. > > > > If my name is on that page, which I still have been unable to access, I > > don't know why. > > The only -possible- reason is that it might be an old page of a former > > member here who put something up which I did not know of. All I can say > > about that is "consider the source". > > > > But I would like to ask this of you.. is there some reason you are > > digging up old pages, first you bring up something from two years or so > > ago that you found Don's name on, and now somehow you find something > > supposedly with my name on it and are "concerned"? > > > > If you are the Kildare host and its on that directory, and it bothers > > you, just delete it. You may remember others had access to all the > > passwords for all the sites in the past, and anyone with a password can > > put up or fool with a page at their will. Personally, I've changed my > > password not long ago to prevent someone who previously had all , or > > nearly all, the passwords to all the county sites from fooling with > > anything. > > > > Others who inherited sites might be wise to do the same. > > > > Maura > > > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Received: from mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by > > storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 > > 16:28:24 -0800 (PST) > > Received: by mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 1DB1B6A; > > Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) > > Delivered-To: mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by > > mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id > > DFB8417E for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:19 -0800 > > (PST) > > Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 > > Received: from du11069.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.69) by > > mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 > > Message-ID: <388F90A9.4DFD88CE@ptdprolog.net> > > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0500 > > From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net > > Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> > > Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: KILDARE > > References: <1134-388F8B6C-693@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Actually Maura > > I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list IS > > > > the only way for me to communicate > > > > Let me refresh your memory > > That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. > > While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours > > Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there > > Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate > > Kildare?? > > > > Yahoo apparently thinks you did. > > > > BarbL > > > > Maura wrote: > > > > > Barbara, > > > > > > First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you > > > email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. > > > > > > I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in > > > ~irlkid I got your page. > > > > > > I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this > > > at me. > > > > > > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > > *********************************** > > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only > > > the word subscribe in the body of an email to > > > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > for the digest version > > > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195-- > > >

I know all of the starters. I think I can get enough to write the history. Finding some of them may be hard. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Zipfel" <nate@gte.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:44 AM Subject: [IGW] IGW History > There is somewhat of an abbreviated history of the IGW on-line. It doesn't > list the individuals involved. > > Nate > > http://pa-roots.com/ireland/about.html >

I hereby apologize to the whole list for what happened below. The copy and paste line is unworthy of further comment. Private conversations should never be cut out of context and pasted to the list. I apologize to the list because I was unable to stop this one from happening. Don Kelly, NC candidate. =======================

Hi all, First of, a clarification. The Leadership Team discussed policies, not bylaws. Don was working at taking the existing Policy page and attempting to simplify them. I suggested writing Policies regarding the election of a Country Coordinator. That idea was rejected by one member and that's when things erupted. I was rather shocked this evening when I got back on my PC to see that members are escalating issues and trying to alienate members. There are some very good members of this list that are feeling extremely alienated by the tone that is constantly being taken on this list. I have tried to stay out of the discussions leading up to the election other than to announce information about the election directly. I haven't taken anyone's side as it would be unfair of me. It is inconceivable to me that a person asks a question and then gets castigated for doing so. Messages such as calling an individual and "idiot", "loose cannon" or "shabby, mud-slinging ways" will do nothing to build confidence in a persons leadership ability. If you don't like the message hit the delete key. There is no reason for anyone to dissect another persons message. I simply will not tolerate this any longer. The next message from anyone that is inflammatory or is intended to alienate them from the other county hosts will result in them being unsubscribed from this mailing list. I had hoped that everyone would act like reasonable adults on the list. You were making progress. Language such as this will only result in the complete failure of this project. Do you realize that this is causing people to say that they are really considering leaving the project? I must tell you that I am very displeased with this. I have been asked to just appoint someone to replace me. I'm sure that would displease you all very much. I do not see how when the current mode of operation is carried on that anything would be solved by elections. You will have to Prove It To Me. Do not post any criticism of this message to the list as you will be unsubscribed. Nate

Those who were blackholed, bright.net just sent a test message. Don

You could check your sources before accusing. This is no longer acceptable behavior. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] Re: KILDARE > maura > first what are you talking about with Don? > Second - apparently someone did put your name on the contact page > if I can find it again I will most certainly show you > third - do I really need to answer why would I be going through Yahoo > looking for Kildare links?? > > You are correct I must consider the source > > Sorry to put this on the list, when I hit reply to sender, it brings it back to > the list > please accept my apologies. My puter is not allowing me to copy and paste > despite rebooting. > > BarbL > > Maura wrote: > > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Well, yahoo is confused. > > > > I never hosted Kildare. > > > > If my name is on that page, which I still have been unable to access, I > > don't know why. > > The only -possible- reason is that it might be an old page of a former > > member here who put something up which I did not know of. All I can say > > about that is "consider the source". > > > > But I would like to ask this of you.. is there some reason you are > > digging up old pages, first you bring up something from two years or so > > ago that you found Don's name on, and now somehow you find something > > supposedly with my name on it and are "concerned"? > > > > If you are the Kildare host and its on that directory, and it bothers > > you, just delete it. You may remember others had access to all the > > passwords for all the sites in the past, and anyone with a password can > > put up or fool with a page at their will. Personally, I've changed my > > password not long ago to prevent someone who previously had all , or > > nearly all, the passwords to all the county sites from fooling with > > anything. > > > > Others who inherited sites might be wise to do the same. > > > > Maura > > > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Received: from mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by > > storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 > > 16:28:24 -0800 (PST) > > Received: by mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 1DB1B6A; > > Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) > > Delivered-To: mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by > > mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id > > DFB8417E for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:19 -0800 > > (PST) > > Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 > > Received: from du11069.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.69) by > > mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 > > Message-ID: <388F90A9.4DFD88CE@ptdprolog.net> > > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0500 > > From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net > > Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> > > Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: KILDARE > > References: <1134-388F8B6C-693@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Actually Maura > > I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list IS > > > > the only way for me to communicate > > > > Let me refresh your memory > > That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. > > While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours > > Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there > > Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate > > Kildare?? > > > > Yahoo apparently thinks you did. > > > > BarbL > > > > Maura wrote: > > > > > Barbara, > > > > > > First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you > > > email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. > > > > > > I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in > > > ~irlkid I got your page. > > > > > > I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this > > > at me. > > > > > > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > > *********************************** > > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only > > > the word subscribe in the body of an email to > > > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > for the digest version > > > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195-- > > >

Don is this about the project itself - KYGenWeb?? Or about history of KY? I'm not sure if people want to read about the problems of IGW but may want to read about the history of Ireland - in general. BarbL Donkelly wrote: > They idea came three years ago with Kentucky's propensity to summarize > history on their pages, and a personal preference to read a brief history of > counties and countries. > > Then recently USGW has been kicking around the idea of having a historian to > update history of the project as it evolves. > > Is it genealogy? No. Is it color? Yes. Are people interested in those kinds > of facts? Well, I am, but I suspect many aren't. > > Given all, what would it hurt if it was on the back page? People could find > it if interested and ignore it if not. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> > To: <> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: [IGW] fame > > > Why would you keep the history of the project? > > Do the new coordinators need it? Or the researchers?? > > > > BarbL > > > > Donkelly wrote: > > > > > Well, I keep thinking of having a historian keep the history of this > > > project, on a back page somewhere. Having all of the names there ever > were > > > suits my since of detail and satisfies my urge to honor. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> > > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [IGW] fame > > > > > > > oooooooo Sheila they are wonderful ideas!! > > > > Including the name change - LOVE IT!!!!! > > > > > > > > Sheila wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can one gain fame from having their name posted on an IGW - WGW main > > > site? > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps a new wave to the future would be to have only the sites > listed > > > and > > > > > then have vacant beside the counties needing hosts. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe have a little icon shape of the county beside the county name > > > instead > > > > > of the hosts name. Or maybe a clickable image map of Ireland, county > > > names > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > So many possibilites for ÉireGenWeb . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don- the answer to reqiuest and recent threat is NO a most definate NO mudslinging- Iasked MAura a question - i sent it to the list simply to get her attention- i don't have her email address in my address book Loose canon- Yeah ok - whatever Donkelly wrote: > It was a nice casual on-list discussion for awhile today until you reverted > to being a loose cannon again. You owe some apologies Barbara, to Maura and > to Me for starters. Then you can apologize to everyone else who tried to > participate in the discussion today. I am just fed up with your shabby, > mud-slinging ways. > > Don

<quote>You already knew the answer. All you proved is you can at times be an absolute idiot.<end quote> Show me where I knew this answer already. Show me where I said oh golly gee I am going to go out of my way and ask Don a question knowing Nate has supplied me with the answer. I think your words speak for themselves. and I for one hope everyone reads them barbL Donkelly wrote: > You already knew the answer. All you proved is you can at times be an > absolute idiot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [IGW] voting > > > Sorry Don > > Nate did no such thing- it was an honest question. > > Wanted to know if it was discussed and if so why nothing happened. > > If not wanted to know why not. > > > > Since Nate was the temp, and if what you said occured. I agree with Nate > it > > should > > be left to the new Country Coordinator to discuss with the coordinators. > > > > Dispite what you may think Don, I can think for myself. > > Thankyou for proving my point > > > > BarbL > > > > Donkelly wrote: > > > > > By-laws were discussed by the leadership team. Nate wanted to leave it > for > > > the new NC team to write. It was suggested by Nate and I recall no > > > objections. > > > > > > Now Nate explained everything to you Barbara, so if you have a point > that > > > will help us in the present, please make it so we will know how to > answer. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> > > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: [IGW] voting > > > > > > > No Sheila we don't need a politician - we need someone with honesty > and > > > > integrity. > > > > We need someone who will lead this project to where it should be > instead > > > of > > > > having > > > > a personal agenda. We need someone who will listen and deal with > issues > > > by > > > > prioritizing them. > > > > > > > > Not real sure if we need by-laws - but......... wasn't this issue > brought > > > to > > > > the leadership team? > > > > If so why didn't they work on them?? If not then why not?? I think > before > > > we > > > > worry > > > > about bylaws/policies we need to first concern ourselves with the > welfare > > > of > > > > the project > > > > The fact some people have a need to attack, argue and contort some > peoples > > > > words. > > > > That too me is far more important right now. We need to set up honest > > > > communication, > > > > where people- even the verbal - can say something and not be blasted. > > > > > > > > The greivance committee pretty much said no "help" for at least 5-6 > > > months - so > > > > > > > > for the temporary being I suppose one could infer it means only one > for > > > now. > > > > But - I suppose given enough time perhaps a committee - elected by the > > > > coordiantors > > > > themselves would be the best avenue. > > > > > > > > I'm sure several people are not speaking for fear they will be > verbally > > > hung on > > > > their words. > > > > That's a shame. If I wasn't running for NC I probably would hit the > > > delete key > > > > as many have/are > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > And BTW: Sheila that is one of my favorite Robert Frost poems > > > > > > > > BarbL > > > > > > > > Donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> > > > > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:01 PM > > > > > Subject: [IGW] voting > > > > > >

Wild assertions?? i made no suggestion - I asked a question. How come you are getting your hair raised about this?? It was no suggestion as to why Maura had the page - it was a question. Which she chose to answer in a hostile manner. I don't need to explain my question or actions to you. Smearing Maura- LOL I suppose asking her a question is smearing her - ok, whatever. Don no one is calling you a liar - and no I will not apologize for your misguided beliefs. Why can you not write this to the list?? In fact as Irecall I never said i didn't believe you, not did I call you a liar. Why are you reading something into my words?? BarbL Donkelly wrote: > I have some reasonable questions based on your wild assertions today > Barbara: > > Why are you now suggesting the management team didn't do it's job? You know > better. > > Why are you suggesting that Maura has a Kildare page? > > Maura is running for no office. Why are you smearing her? > > I repeat: We discussed working on by-laws. I actually started them re: "new > hosts". Then Nate decided to hold off for the new NC. There were no > objections. > > Now I don't appreciate your calling me a liar. This makes twice. I expect an > apology or I will list my complaints against you again. You can't get away > with smearing me with impunity. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [IGW] voting > > > Sorry Don > > Nate did no such thing- it was an honest question. > > Wanted to know if it was discussed and if so why nothing happened. > > If not wanted to know why not. > > > > Since Nate was the temp, and if what you said occured. I agree with Nate > it > > should > > be left to the new Country Coordinator to discuss with the coordinators. > > > > Dispite what you may think Don, I can think for myself. > > Thankyou for proving my point > > > > BarbL > > > > Donkelly wrote: > > > > > By-laws were discussed by the leadership team. Nate wanted to leave it > for > > > the new NC team to write. It was suggested by Nate and I recall no > > > objections. > > > > > > Now Nate explained everything to you Barbara, so if you have a point > that > > > will help us in the present, please make it so we will know how to > answer. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> > > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: [IGW] voting > > > > > > > No Sheila we don't need a politician - we need someone with honesty > and > > > > integrity. > > > > We need someone who will lead this project to where it should be > instead > > > of > > > > having > > > > a personal agenda. We need someone who will listen and deal with > issues > > > by > > > > prioritizing them. > > > > > > > > Not real sure if we need by-laws - but......... wasn't this issue > brought > > > to > > > > the leadership team? > > > > If so why didn't they work on them?? If not then why not?? I think > before > > > we > > > > worry > > > > about bylaws/policies we need to first concern ourselves with the > welfare > > > of > > > > the project > > > > The fact some people have a need to attack, argue and contort some > peoples > > > > words. > > > > That too me is far more important right now. We need to set up honest > > > > communication, > > > > where people- even the verbal - can say something and not be blasted. > > > > > > > > The greivance committee pretty much said no "help" for at least 5-6 > > > months - so > > > > > > > > for the temporary being I suppose one could infer it means only one > for > > > now. > > > > But - I suppose given enough time perhaps a committee - elected by the > > > > coordiantors > > > > themselves would be the best avenue. > > > > > > > > I'm sure several people are not speaking for fear they will be > verbally > > > hung on > > > > their words. > > > > That's a shame. If I wasn't running for NC I probably would hit the > > > delete key > > > > as many have/are > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > And BTW: Sheila that is one of my favorite Robert Frost poems > > > > > > > > BarbL > > > > > > > > Donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> > > > > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:01 PM > > > > > Subject: [IGW] voting > > > > > >

maura first what are you talking about with Don? Second - apparently someone did put your name on the contact page if I can find it again I will most certainly show you third - do I really need to answer why would I be going through Yahoo looking for Kildare links?? You are correct I must consider the source Sorry to put this on the list, when I hit reply to sender, it brings it back to the list please accept my apologies. My puter is not allowing me to copy and paste despite rebooting. BarbL Maura wrote: > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Well, yahoo is confused. > > I never hosted Kildare. > > If my name is on that page, which I still have been unable to access, I > don't know why. > The only -possible- reason is that it might be an old page of a former > member here who put something up which I did not know of. All I can say > about that is "consider the source". > > But I would like to ask this of you.. is there some reason you are > digging up old pages, first you bring up something from two years or so > ago that you found Don's name on, and now somehow you find something > supposedly with my name on it and are "concerned"? > > If you are the Kildare host and its on that directory, and it bothers > you, just delete it. You may remember others had access to all the > passwords for all the sites in the past, and anyone with a password can > put up or fool with a page at their will. Personally, I've changed my > password not long ago to prevent someone who previously had all , or > nearly all, the passwords to all the county sites from fooling with > anything. > > Others who inherited sites might be wise to do the same. > > Maura > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Received: from mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by > storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 > 16:28:24 -0800 (PST) > Received: by mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 1DB1B6A; > Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) > Delivered-To: mpetzolt2@webtv.net > Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by > mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id > DFB8417E for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:19 -0800 > (PST) > Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 > Received: from du11069.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.69) by > mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 > Message-ID: <388F90A9.4DFD88CE@ptdprolog.net> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0500 > From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net > Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> > Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: KILDARE > References: <1134-388F8B6C-693@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Actually Maura > I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list IS > > the only way for me to communicate > > Let me refresh your memory > That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. > While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours > Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there > Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate > Kildare?? > > Yahoo apparently thinks you did. > > BarbL > > Maura wrote: > > > Barbara, > > > > First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you > > email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. > > > > I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in > > ~irlkid I got your page. > > > > I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this > > at me. > > > > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > *********************************** > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only > > the word subscribe in the body of an email to > > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com > > for the digest version > > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195--