Barb I am sure you will agree that we all have our own methods of doing our own personal research - my opinion as a host is to make the information available for folks, if they want to use it fine - if not, fine! I am very sure that if you gathered together 10 individuals, you would find 10 different methods of research. The project aim is to provide the information - regardless of what we may think people will want to do with the info provided or how they may access it. I don't really think that I would venture into the realm of trying to tell someone how they should access or utilize their favourite sites - I would put forth suggestions perhaps, but would not presume to tell them they were not doing it properly (or the 'normal' way) because they didn't go about it the same way I would? I simply stated that I prefer to go through the main site - I usually access it through the link at the top of my own county site actually. Same with the USGW - I have a number of states/counties that I refer to on a regular basis - I always go through the main site - my option - not necessarily anyone elses'. Going through the main site also usually means that you end up on the most up to date site, not one of those abandoned ones we come across occasionally without realizing it. I still haven't located the places of origin for my 2 paternal great grands in Ireland yet - could be any 2 out of 32 counties. Even when I want to go to Co. Down for the maternal line, I still go through the main site - a couple of extra seconds don't really bother me that much, normally the main country page is relatively graphic free and quick loading (of course now it is one page further away because it is not longer part of Ireland) - it takes much longer to go through my very lengthy, convoluted list of 'favourites bookmarks'. Just my personal choice of access - and I am able to do so very quickly. As for the mention of your own page (2 tables) as opposed to the main page being fast I was just mentioning some of the points on graphics, html coding and tables - it was in reference to your own question about 2 suggested graphical icons potentially causing delays in uploading as opposed to the use of tables. Both graphics and tables do delay downloading to some extent of course, but the fact remains that generally nothing within a table displays until the entire table is downloaded, regardless of the content, straight html coding or graphics. (2 small plain icons added to a page would result in minimal download delays even for antiquated technology). Of course you are correct - a straight html document would be the fastest to load; perhaps not esthically pleasing or especially interesting but very fast indeed. Perhaps that is why we are asked to display the GW logos that we are expected to post. That is why the current main page loads so quickly - there is a minimum of graphics - it is a clean, clear and concise page with appropriate info provided for potential researchers. I like the new cleaner look for the main page - for a while there I found it a mite confusing even though I was quite familiar with the content. Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 08:40 PM 1/27/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Mary >Glad you brought up my table. As I recall this was in reference to the main page >being fast- not my page. If one wants a fast fast fast page - one doesn't put >graphics graphics graphics. > >As for main pages - um - yep >most people only bookmark their county. If they have several counties they >bookmark them >They don't bookmark the main page. > >Let's see I'm a researcher who wants information - I have a choice. Bookmark the >page that >truly matters to me or bookmark the page that links to the page that truly matters >to me. >I may have family in 3 counties. Why not bookmark the 3 counties - go to my >bookmarks >and enter - saves more time and less download time. > >BarbL > >Mary A. Kelly wrote: > >> Barb - I disagree that the main site is not accessed as often as a county >> page - on the whole I find that I load the main site page very often >> indeed! Why would I have possibly 32 separate books marks for Ireland when >> one would do very well instead. I assume that you are assuming each >> researcher has an interest in only 1 county? Hmm - not likely. When would >> a researcher not load the main site for whatever reason? >> >> No one HAS to look at something that they are not interested in - but the >> does it hurt anything if the info is provided anyway - just in case? >> >> Now let me see - following your own reasoning about tables being slow to >> load - perhaps that explains why your Co. Kildare page loads slowly for me >> (old computer) since the almost the entire content of the page is set up >> within tables, including some graphics, which of course would load only >> after the table itself is loaded. Actually as you well know, with your html >> skills, that simple little red and green icons would actually load very >> quickly indeed as there would be only 2 actual graphics to be loaded, >> regardless of the number of times the graphic is repeated within the >> document itself - if a graphic appears only once or 20 times within a >> document, it is still only uploaded once. >> >> Mary Kelly >> Co. Tipperary >> >> At 01:20 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >> >Don, >> >Exactly when do you think the researcher will be accessing the main page? >> >And if they are moving on quickly - will they really be interested in seeing >> >the coordinators name ? Since that would possibly require a table - which >> >for some people loads >> >sllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooowwwwwwwllllllllllllllllyyyyyyy >> >which takes away from the idea of fast. >> > >> >You brought up the idea of little green and red houses - won't this add to >> the >> >loading time?? >> >So they in themselves defeat the purpose of in and out. I was under the >> >impression >> >people go to the main page maybe once or twice- maybe a few more times. >> But as >> >a whole >> >they bookmark the county page so they can go right to their resource. Which >> >means they >> >by-pass the main page. Sometimes they return to ask the coordinator a >> question >> >or >> >look for generic links but as a whole the main page is visited on the average >> >less then >> >the county page. So fast, fast, fast may not be what they need. >> > >> >BarbL >> > >> >Donkelly wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for the support Mary. Don't be too sure about possible >> relationships. >> >> I cam from Connaught so I bet I have a lot of cousins around there. >> >> >> >> Back to the page, I see best function as being fast to load (maximized) and >> >> informational. >> >> Researchers need to load the page fast, navigate fast, and move on fast. >> For >> >> the most part, they may be distracted by little dancing green men. <grin> >> >> Don >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> >> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:54 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [IGW] voting >> >> >> >> > Enthusiasm, and honesty are indeed invaluable qualities - but so is the >> >> > ability to stand up under pressure, coolheadedness in crisis, people >> >> > skills, simple communication skills, willingness to discuss a subject >> even >> >> > if you do not necessarily consider it to be of any importance personally. >> >> > The ability to recognize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion >> >> > (however silly you may consider it personally) is also very important. >> >> > Committment to a project in a non-selfserving way is important to me when >> >> > considering a leader. >> >> > >> >> > Site design? As has been stated previously by yourself - you like >> >> > different sites because of the ideas they provide - we are all able to >> >> > access and utilize the same ideas and am I sure have our own capabilities >> >> > and ideas. I personally am of the opinion that things should be kept low >> >> > tech for the benefit of the vast majority of serious researchers that are >> >> > interested in genealogical information - not flashy high tech animations >> >> or >> >> > gimmicks. Not everyone has the benefit of cheap, speedy, high tech >> access >> >> > to the web. Again, we will all have our own opinions about web design, >> >> > that is why each of our sites is different - or is there a qualified site >> >> > analyist amongst our ranks? >> >> > >> >> > I support DON KELLY for host (no relation!) >> >> > >> >> > Mary Kelly >> >> > Co. Tip >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > At 12:01 AM 1/26/00 -0500, Sheila wrote: >> >> > >Do we need a politician? >> >> > >Or do we need enthusiasm, honesty, and someone experienced in site >> design >> >> > >and maintenence? >> >> > > >> >> > >Will decisions be made by one or two persons or the group? >> >> > >And just what needs to be decided? >> >> > > >> >> > >Are there others on this mail-list who hide in the branches of the tree? >> >> > > >> >> > >THE ROAD NOT TAKEN >> >> > > >> >> > > Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, >> >> > > And sorry I could not travel both >> >> > > And be one traveler, long I stood >> >> > > And looked down one as far as I could >> >> > > To where it bent in the undergrowth; >> >> > > Then took the other, as just as fair, >> >> > > And having perhaps the better claim, >> >> > > Because it was grassy and wanted wear; >> >> > > Though as for that the passing there >> >> > > Had worn them really about the same, >> >> > > And both that morning equally lay >> >> > > In leaves no step had trodden black. >> >> > > Oh, I kept the first for another day! >> >> > > Yet knowing how way leads on to way, >> >> > > I doubted if I should ever come back. >> >> > > I shall be telling this with a sigh >> >> > > Somewhere ages and ages hence: >> >> > > Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- >> >> > > I took the one less traveled by, >> >> > > And that has made all the difference. >> >> > > *Robert Frost* >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >I support Barb Lavin for IGW Country host. >> >> > > >> >> > >Sheila >> >> > > >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html >> >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ >> >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ >> >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ >> >> > > /) http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ >> >> > > /\___/\ (( http://www.bright.net/~mohrbows/ >> >> > > \`@_@'/ )) The essence of humanity /~(_)~\ >> >> > > {_:Y:.}_// is in the pursuit of the arts! | :=:======II >> >> > >--{_}^-'{_}----------------------------------- \_(~)_/ >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

I probable shouldn't tell you all that I will be out of town this weekend and "forgot" my laptop at work (shucks). I trust that I'm not going to come back to another war Sunday night. I will be leaving the mailing list unmoderated. Please prove to me that you can follow the rules of the list. If you can't I'd suggest that you unsubscribe yourself now. Nate

I decided to brave the list again. It was mentioned that some were new to doing pages and could use some tips. Here are a few I have picked up over the years. I am sure many of the "oldtimers" ;o) already know all this. I am only doing this as a tips help. I am sure there are some of you who know more about HTML than I do. 1.Use of backgrounds = repeat the backgrounds on the pages. The gif or jpg will have loaded into the computer and once it is in there the next pages will load quickly due to the cache. 2.pictures = size all pictures width= height= this makes the page appear to load quicker. It does not necessarily, but it does do the work of sizing for the computer also it allows the visitor to know how large a load is coming and "appears" to load more quickly. If you do not have a paint shop then you can download one off the net for free for a trial 30 day period to size your pictures. I also resize all photos to the smallest that is still worthy of putting on line. Most donors send large photos and they need to be resized for use on the internet. 3.icons = repeat icons. For instance if you use a blue square, a red square, and a yellow square, each will have to load but if you use all yellow squares then it only costs you once on the FTP load and it also loads only once. 4.Music = I never use it on genealogy page, I do have it on one of my personal pages. Sometimes it is necessary to do 2 scripts on a page for both explorer and netscape to read a music file. The Cyber Mouse Junior Orchestra page has 2 msuic scripts on it. Music files are very expensive kb. 5.java = very tricky to get both browsers to read. For instance the butterflies are moving in netscape on the Venango pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ but they will not move in explorer. If you are doing web pages it is best to have both explorer and netscape loaded into your computer and view the pages on both. 6.scripts and large files = if you are using an html page maker then you will find that much more html script is used than is necessary and sometimes if it is a large census file or such, it will grow so big it will not load. I have found that files larger than 50,000 will not load on rootweb housed pages during the regular day hours, sometimes at night they will, but very seldom. Either make the pages shorter and use more pages, or rescript the tables by hand using minumum script. 7.Sharing genealogy information is a very nice computer outlet. Designing the pages is fun. Creating pages that researchers find stimulating and easy to follow is always a work in progress. 8.HTML Goodies tips = An excellent helper is http://www.htmlgoodies.com/ I hope there might be something in these tips that may be of help. Sheila - ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ /) http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ /\___/\ (( http://www.bright.net/~mohrbows/ \`@_@'/ )) The essence of humanity /~(_)~\ {_:Y:.}_// is in the pursuit of the arts! | :=:======II --{_}^-'{_}----------------------------------- \_(~)_/

I have opened the list back up..... Nate

-----Original Message----- From: Maura [mailto:mpetzolt2@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 3:04 PM To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com; nate@pa-roots.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: My response- end it! --WebTV-Mail-1671-1251 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Since the message below by Barbara did in fact go to the list, I do expect this reply by me to also go to the list. I hear it's moderated now, tho I have not seen a message to that effect as I am on digest mode. Read it carefully Barbara, because this is the last time I'm saying this. To Barbara- quoting you: "You are the one getting your panties in an uproar." Such nice professional talk coming from someone running for coordinator of this project! Wasn't it you who stated that if you were coordinator you wouldn't allow flaming messages on this list? I guess it's different when you send the messages, public or private? To Nate and all...... I quote a recent message from Nate : "It is inconcievable to me that a person asks a question and then gets castigated for doing so." To paraphrase you Nate.... It is inconcievable to -me- that someone can be asked a question, send 3 answers all saying the same thing, and still be hounded with messages about "I want to know what that is!!". And it's kind of hard to even answer the question when the page someone says they saw was only seen by them and the current host, and since the page is now deleted. This is such a non-issue it's funny. What's funny is to see someone get an answer 3 times and still be beating this to death... which only leads me to conclude that they are either trying to instigate a problem, or they are just too ignorant to realize the question's been answered. I'm not the one who turned this into an issue. I was asked a question about something I have no knowledge of, and since the page is gone I will never have knowledge of. It's not me who can't understand "I have never had a Kildare page". Maura host of County Waterford and never of Kildare --WebTV-Mail-1671-1251 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-5.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.30) by storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:30:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by mailsorter-101-5.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with SMTP id KAA15031 for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:30:41 -0800 (PST) From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net Received: (qmail 2939 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 15:43:49 -0000 Received: from du11183.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.183) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 15:43:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3890674B.90F22F2D@ptdprolog.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:42:04 -0500 Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> CC: IGW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: My response- end it! References: <20628-38903C93-115@storefull-114.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maura whatis the big deal I merely inquired I did nothing more You are the one getting your panties in an uproar. All I wanted to know was what was it since you doubt me go find it yourself- Nate did the same search as I di d - he found it perhaps you can too. You're making a big issue over this - why?? Maura wrote: > Barbara.... > > since you refuse to write to me privately, I'll send this to the list. > > Why is it of any concern of yours what my name is on? Unless you are > "worried" about something? You must have a LOT of free time being in > charge of ALL you are to spend lots of time searching around the web at > leisure trying to find things with my name and Don's name on it? > "Curious", I think not. > > Why are you so concerned with who I say what to? Worried about > something? Who do you write to off list? > > Gee, Barbara , as a candidate for office here, you're certainly showing > me (and everyone I guess) what your management style is.... > > I am not interested in an argument with you. I've purposely tried to > stay off this list and out of things until YOU dragged me into this > current situation by writing what should have been a private note to me > to the whole list. A great example of why the hosts emails are on the > main page now isn't it? Just go to the main page and find whoever you > need to find! It's really so simple and helpful! > > And lastly, I"ve been biting my fingers on this comment for awhile , but > your continuing to bring up and drag up the leadership team into issues > which are over and done with leads me to say..... gee Barbara, if you're > so concerned about it, too bad you weren't -chosen- to be on it, huh? > Then you would have -known- what happened. > > Now I kindly suggest you leave me alone, and go back to running for > office. Your continual picking at people is doing nothing to help us in > general here. Let it go and get on with your life. > > > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net > *********************************** > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only > the word subscribe in the body of an email to > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com > for the digest version --WebTV-Mail-1671-1251--

researchers are different this is true. and my experience in the last 20 years is people tend to stickto one area - for the most part until they have exhausted all means. As an example: In Schuylkill (school - kill) County, Pa 95% of the people who are researching Schuylkill have roots primarily in Schuylkill. Very few migrations out of. Would it make sense in this case to bookmark the main page - probably not. The other 5% might do it simply as a contingency factor. I know when I first started looking into PaGenWeb I did it simply because I couldn't find the pages - but that was BEFORE USGenWeb took off and became an entity. Most of the searchers only have the counties that pertain to them book marked. I am not going to criticize the main page- I have the coordinators listed in Wales - with adopt me signs - but ....... My page isn't designed for quickies- it's designed for Wales. The flavor is very much welsh. I had help in 98 designing it from a cousin. Would I put the information on the main Irish page?? Don't know. I suppose i would first find out from the CC's how they felt about this. Some could honestly care less. Some care. If they are using it for the mailing lists. I know the main Brit <BIGW> page has all the Brit mailing lists on it. They could follow the trail. Again, I don't know why it's not on the main page- there may be reasons why; which most of us I'm sure are not privy too. I know my former SC in Pa only had a table with our names the county names the formation of the county which counties formed from. The links to our names did not work- I believe. So that system didn't accomplish anything either. Each SC/NC/CC has their own ideas. I never saw the need to question them. All three of the CC's of IGW designed their pages differently. I saw no problem with any of them barbL Waterlilys@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/27/2000 5:43:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > irishsun@ptdprolog.net writes: > > << > As for main pages - um - yep > most people only bookmark their county. If they have several counties they > bookmark them They don't bookmark the main page. >> > > Its hard to pigeon hole peoples needs. The main page as it is now for most > people is probably a one time deal...find the county (counties) you are > looking for and that's it... But other types of researchers do use it, for > instance, those who have all Ireland mailing lists who need particular county > info at varying times would use the main page with more frequency than a > county page, and the county hosts would use it a lot and others I am sure. > I've used it to foreword other county related questions I've received just > for a contact person. It has varying appeal to a variety of researchers. > > But if the page was like it was when Jolene had it... I used it a lot, as it > had other helpful links and things being added. I also used to check it often > to see if Kerry was vacant. > > I think we have to recognize if we want a wide variety of people to make use > of IrelandGenWeb and therefore the individual sites that it should have a > broad appeal to account for all their needs. > > if anyone addresses mary... please designate maryK or maryT.... thanks > > maryt > co kerry > iregenweb

Mary Glad you brought up my table. As I recall this was in reference to the main page being fast- not my page. If one wants a fast fast fast page - one doesn't put graphics graphics graphics. As for main pages - um - yep most people only bookmark their county. If they have several counties they bookmark them They don't bookmark the main page. Let's see I'm a researcher who wants information - I have a choice. Bookmark the page that truly matters to me or bookmark the page that links to the page that truly matters to me. I may have family in 3 counties. Why not bookmark the 3 counties - go to my bookmarks and enter - saves more time and less download time. BarbL Mary A. Kelly wrote: > Barb - I disagree that the main site is not accessed as often as a county > page - on the whole I find that I load the main site page very often > indeed! Why would I have possibly 32 separate books marks for Ireland when > one would do very well instead. I assume that you are assuming each > researcher has an interest in only 1 county? Hmm - not likely. When would > a researcher not load the main site for whatever reason? > > No one HAS to look at something that they are not interested in - but the > does it hurt anything if the info is provided anyway - just in case? > > Now let me see - following your own reasoning about tables being slow to > load - perhaps that explains why your Co. Kildare page loads slowly for me > (old computer) since the almost the entire content of the page is set up > within tables, including some graphics, which of course would load only > after the table itself is loaded. Actually as you well know, with your html > skills, that simple little red and green icons would actually load very > quickly indeed as there would be only 2 actual graphics to be loaded, > regardless of the number of times the graphic is repeated within the > document itself - if a graphic appears only once or 20 times within a > document, it is still only uploaded once. > > Mary Kelly > Co. Tipperary > > At 01:20 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: > >Don, > >Exactly when do you think the researcher will be accessing the main page? > >And if they are moving on quickly - will they really be interested in seeing > >the coordinators name ? Since that would possibly require a table - which > >for some people loads > >sllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooowwwwwwwllllllllllllllllyyyyyyy > >which takes away from the idea of fast. > > > >You brought up the idea of little green and red houses - won't this add to > the > >loading time?? > >So they in themselves defeat the purpose of in and out. I was under the > >impression > >people go to the main page maybe once or twice- maybe a few more times. > But as > >a whole > >they bookmark the county page so they can go right to their resource. Which > >means they > >by-pass the main page. Sometimes they return to ask the coordinator a > question > >or > >look for generic links but as a whole the main page is visited on the average > >less then > >the county page. So fast, fast, fast may not be what they need. > > > >BarbL > > > >Donkelly wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the support Mary. Don't be too sure about possible > relationships. > >> I cam from Connaught so I bet I have a lot of cousins around there. > >> > >> Back to the page, I see best function as being fast to load (maximized) and > >> informational. > >> Researchers need to load the page fast, navigate fast, and move on fast. > For > >> the most part, they may be distracted by little dancing green men. <grin> > >> Don > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> > >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:54 AM > >> Subject: Re: [IGW] voting > >> > >> > Enthusiasm, and honesty are indeed invaluable qualities - but so is the > >> > ability to stand up under pressure, coolheadedness in crisis, people > >> > skills, simple communication skills, willingness to discuss a subject > even > >> > if you do not necessarily consider it to be of any importance personally. > >> > The ability to recognize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion > >> > (however silly you may consider it personally) is also very important. > >> > Committment to a project in a non-selfserving way is important to me when > >> > considering a leader. > >> > > >> > Site design? As has been stated previously by yourself - you like > >> > different sites because of the ideas they provide - we are all able to > >> > access and utilize the same ideas and am I sure have our own capabilities > >> > and ideas. I personally am of the opinion that things should be kept low > >> > tech for the benefit of the vast majority of serious researchers that are > >> > interested in genealogical information - not flashy high tech animations > >> or > >> > gimmicks. Not everyone has the benefit of cheap, speedy, high tech > access > >> > to the web. Again, we will all have our own opinions about web design, > >> > that is why each of our sites is different - or is there a qualified site > >> > analyist amongst our ranks? > >> > > >> > I support DON KELLY for host (no relation!) > >> > > >> > Mary Kelly > >> > Co. Tip > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > At 12:01 AM 1/26/00 -0500, Sheila wrote: > >> > >Do we need a politician? > >> > >Or do we need enthusiasm, honesty, and someone experienced in site > design > >> > >and maintenence? > >> > > > >> > >Will decisions be made by one or two persons or the group? > >> > >And just what needs to be decided? > >> > > > >> > >Are there others on this mail-list who hide in the branches of the tree? > >> > > > >> > >THE ROAD NOT TAKEN > >> > > > >> > > Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, > >> > > And sorry I could not travel both > >> > > And be one traveler, long I stood > >> > > And looked down one as far as I could > >> > > To where it bent in the undergrowth; > >> > > Then took the other, as just as fair, > >> > > And having perhaps the better claim, > >> > > Because it was grassy and wanted wear; > >> > > Though as for that the passing there > >> > > Had worn them really about the same, > >> > > And both that morning equally lay > >> > > In leaves no step had trodden black. > >> > > Oh, I kept the first for another day! > >> > > Yet knowing how way leads on to way, > >> > > I doubted if I should ever come back. > >> > > I shall be telling this with a sigh > >> > > Somewhere ages and ages hence: > >> > > Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- > >> > > I took the one less traveled by, > >> > > And that has made all the difference. > >> > > *Robert Frost* > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >I support Barb Lavin for IGW Country host. > >> > > > >> > >Sheila > >> > > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html > >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ > >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ > >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ > >> > > /) http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ > >> > > /\___/\ (( http://www.bright.net/~mohrbows/ > >> > > \`@_@'/ )) The essence of humanity /~(_)~\ > >> > > {_:Y:.}_// is in the pursuit of the arts! | :=:======II > >> > >--{_}^-'{_}----------------------------------- \_(~)_/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 1/27/2000 8:10:52 PM Central Standard Time, nate@gte.net writes: << Please prove to me that you can follow the rules of the list. If you can't I'd suggest that you unsubscribe yourself now. >> I will agree with this statement 100% !! I am getting real tired or reading all the crap going on, on this board. Vicki County Wicklow

In a message dated 1/27/2000 5:43:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, irishsun@ptdprolog.net writes: << As for main pages - um - yep most people only bookmark their county. If they have several counties they bookmark them They don't bookmark the main page. >> Its hard to pigeon hole peoples needs. The main page as it is now for most people is probably a one time deal...find the county (counties) you are looking for and that's it... But other types of researchers do use it, for instance, those who have all Ireland mailing lists who need particular county info at varying times would use the main page with more frequency than a county page, and the county hosts would use it a lot and others I am sure. I've used it to foreword other county related questions I've received just for a contact person. It has varying appeal to a variety of researchers. But if the page was like it was when Jolene had it... I used it a lot, as it had other helpful links and things being added. I also used to check it often to see if Kerry was vacant. I think we have to recognize if we want a wide variety of people to make use of IrelandGenWeb and therefore the individual sites that it should have a broad appeal to account for all their needs. if anyone addresses mary... please designate maryK or maryT.... thanks maryt co kerry iregenweb

The mailing list is now been changed to a moderated list. Nate - ---------------------------------------------------------- Visit PA-Roots.com http://www.pa-roots.com

If this is the thanks you can expect for 'babysitting' part of a project for someone - it certainly makes one reconsider. Maura spent a great deal of her time and efforts on the entire Ireland project - I'm sure whereever and when ever she could - she has helped others in the past, why? because she was the leader? no because she was trying to be helpful and do what she could for others and the project as a whole; no glory, no title, just committment. Do we all remember when unhosted counties had no representation at all? Obviously something had to be done - and was. I support Don Kelly (my choice would have been more difficult if Maura hadn't withdrawn). Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 12:14 AM 1/27/00 -0800, Nathan Zipfel wrote: >Don, > >I did the same search that apparently Barb did and this is what I found that >she was referencing. > > >"County Kildare - County Kildare Ireland Please Adopt me I'm really >lonesome! Just tell Maura that you will! Church Records Description and >Travel Genealogy History Periodicals Church of Ireland Parish Registers >Roman Catholic Parish Registers County Kildare... >--http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkid/Kildare.html" > > >This might have been one of the counties that Maura was babysitting at one >point. I think that was the point of the question. > >Nate > >-----Original Message----- >From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] >Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:24 PM >To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [IGW] Re: KILDARE > > >You could check your sources before accusing. This is no longer acceptable >behavior. Don >----- Original Message ----- >From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:05 PM >Subject: Re: [IGW] Re: KILDARE > > >> maura >> first what are you talking about with Don? >> Second - apparently someone did put your name on the contact page >> if I can find it again I will most certainly show you >> third - do I really need to answer why would I be going through Yahoo >> looking for Kildare links?? >> >> You are correct I must consider the source >> >> Sorry to put this on the list, when I hit reply to sender, it brings it >back to >> the list >> please accept my apologies. My puter is not allowing me to copy and paste >> despite rebooting. >> >> BarbL >> >> Maura wrote: >> >> > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 >> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit >> > >> > Well, yahoo is confused. >> > >> > I never hosted Kildare. >> > >> > If my name is on that page, which I still have been unable to access, I >> > don't know why. >> > The only -possible- reason is that it might be an old page of a former >> > member here who put something up which I did not know of. All I can say >> > about that is "consider the source". >> > >> > But I would like to ask this of you.. is there some reason you are >> > digging up old pages, first you bring up something from two years or so >> > ago that you found Don's name on, and now somehow you find something >> > supposedly with my name on it and are "concerned"? >> > >> > If you are the Kildare host and its on that directory, and it bothers >> > you, just delete it. You may remember others had access to all the >> > passwords for all the sites in the past, and anyone with a password can >> > put up or fool with a page at their will. Personally, I've changed my >> > password not long ago to prevent someone who previously had all , or >> > nearly all, the passwords to all the county sites from fooling with >> > anything. >> > >> > Others who inherited sites might be wise to do the same. >> > >> > Maura >> > >> > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 >> > Content-Disposition: Inline >> > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit >> > >> > Received: from mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by >> > storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan >2000 >> > 16:28:24 -0800 (PST) >> > Received: by mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id >1DB1B6A; >> > Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) >> > Delivered-To: mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> > Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by >> > mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id >> > DFB8417E for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 >16:28:19 -0800 >> > (PST) >> > Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 >> > Received: from du11069.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.69) >by >> > mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 >> > Message-ID: <388F90A9.4DFD88CE@ptdprolog.net> >> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0500 >> > From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net >> > Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net >> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> >> > Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: KILDARE >> > References: <1134-388F8B6C-693@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > >> > Actually Maura >> > I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list >IS >> > >> > the only way for me to communicate >> > >> > Let me refresh your memory >> > That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. >> > While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours >> > Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there >> > Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate >> > Kildare?? >> > >> > Yahoo apparently thinks you did. >> > >> > BarbL >> > >> > Maura wrote: >> > >> > > Barbara, >> > > >> > > First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you >> > > email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. >> > > >> > > I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in >> > > ~irlkid I got your page. >> > > >> > > I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this >> > > at me. >> > > >> > > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> > > *********************************** >> > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm >> > > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send >only >> > > the word subscribe in the body of an email to >> > > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com >> > > for the digest version >> > >> > --WebTV-Mail-28479-195-- >> >> >> > > >

Perhaps a potention host volunteer WOULD BE INTERESTED in reading something about the actual project they were involved with - previous animity that was not resolved, would certainly deter me from committing my time to a project if I knew about it before hand. Mary Kelly At 10:24 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Don >is this about the project itself - KYGenWeb?? Or about history of KY? >I'm not sure if people want to read about the problems of IGW >but may want to read about the history of Ireland - in general. > >BarbL > > >Donkelly wrote: > >> They idea came three years ago with Kentucky's propensity to summarize >> history on their pages, and a personal preference to read a brief history of >> counties and countries. >> >> Then recently USGW has been kicking around the idea of having a historian to >> update history of the project as it evolves. >> >> Is it genealogy? No. Is it color? Yes. Are people interested in those kinds >> of facts? Well, I am, but I suspect many aren't. >> >> Given all, what would it hurt if it was on the back page? People could find >> it if interested and ignore it if not. >> >> Don >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> To: <> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] fame >> >> > Why would you keep the history of the project? >> > Do the new coordinators need it? Or the researchers?? >> > >> > BarbL >> > >> > Donkelly wrote: >> > >> > > Well, I keep thinking of having a historian keep the history of this >> > > project, on a back page somewhere. Having all of the names there ever >> were >> > > suits my since of detail and satisfies my urge to honor. >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:45 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [IGW] fame >> > > >> > > > oooooooo Sheila they are wonderful ideas!! >> > > > Including the name change - LOVE IT!!!!! >> > > > >> > > > Sheila wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Can one gain fame from having their name posted on an IGW - WGW main >> > > site? >> > > > > >> > > > > Perhaps a new wave to the future would be to have only the sites >> listed >> > > and >> > > > > then have vacant beside the counties needing hosts. >> > > > > >> > > > > Maybe have a little icon shape of the county beside the county name >> > > instead >> > > > > of the hosts name. Or maybe a clickable image map of Ireland, county >> > > names >> > > > > only. >> > > > > >> > > > > So many possibilites for ÉireGenWeb . >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Barb - I don't have your address in my address book either - but I do have about 400 messages on my system that do contain it. Also, if I were really stuck - your name and email are listed on the main IGW site (as are all of ours, for future reference) at <http://www.pa-roots.com/ireland/> (mid page - html table). It really is a very week defence for emailing an entire list with some that should maybe have been handled personally by someone purporting to have an interest in leadership and communication. Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 08:16 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Don- the answer to reqiuest and recent threat is NO >a most definate NO >mudslinging- Iasked MAura a question - i sent it to the list simply to >get her attention- i don't have her email address in my address book > >Loose canon- Yeah ok - whatever > >Donkelly wrote: > >> It was a nice casual on-list discussion for awhile today until you reverted >> to being a loose cannon again. You owe some apologies Barbara, to Maura and >> to Me for starters. Then you can apologize to everyone else who tried to >> participate in the discussion today. I am just fed up with your shabby, >> mud-slinging ways. >> >> Don > > > > >

Barb - Maybe Don assumed, as I did that since you exchange information with Nate (our current leader) and that basic information would have been provided to yourself as any interested candidate would familarize themselves as a matter of fact. The leadership explained their opinions in messages at the beinning of this process why the project was falling apart - these messages were likewise answered by the leader of the project. This is past 'history' and part of the reason why this election is being held. Barb - you do seem to go out of your way to ask questions that either don't make sense, have been gone over ad nauseum previously or just really do not pertain. If you are annoying(?) the beejesus out of cool, calm and collected Don - can you imagine what you are doing to some of the rest of us? Some of your messages have not appeared to be sent by someone genuinely interested in proving themselves to be a person that would be easy to deal with or work for. Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 08:13 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: ><quote>You already knew the answer. All you proved is you can at times be an >absolute idiot.<end quote> >Show me where I knew this answer already. >Show me where I said oh golly gee I am going to go out of my way and ask Don >a question knowing Nate has supplied me with the answer. >I think your words speak for themselves. > >and I for one hope everyone reads them > >barbL > >Donkelly wrote: > >> You already knew the answer. All you proved is you can at times be an >> absolute idiot. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [IGW] voting >> >> > Sorry Don >> > Nate did no such thing- it was an honest question. >> > Wanted to know if it was discussed and if so why nothing happened. >> > If not wanted to know why not. >> > >> > Since Nate was the temp, and if what you said occured. I agree with Nate >> it >> > should >> > be left to the new Country Coordinator to discuss with the coordinators. >> > >> > Dispite what you may think Don, I can think for myself. >> > Thankyou for proving my point >> > >> > BarbL >> > >> > Donkelly wrote: >> > >> > > By-laws were discussed by the leadership team. Nate wanted to leave it >> for >> > > the new NC team to write. It was suggested by Nate and I recall no >> > > objections. >> > > >> > > Now Nate explained everything to you Barbara, so if you have a point >> that >> > > will help us in the present, please make it so we will know how to >> answer. >> > > >> > > Don >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: <irishsun@ptdprolog.net> >> > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:49 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [IGW] voting >> > > >> > > > No Sheila we don't need a politician - we need someone with honesty >> and >> > > > integrity. >> > > > We need someone who will lead this project to where it should be >> instead >> > > of >> > > > having >> > > > a personal agenda. We need someone who will listen and deal with >> issues >> > > by >> > > > prioritizing them. >> > > > >> > > > Not real sure if we need by-laws - but......... wasn't this issue >> brought >> > > to >> > > > the leadership team? >> > > > If so why didn't they work on them?? If not then why not?? I think >> before >> > > we >> > > > worry >> > > > about bylaws/policies we need to first concern ourselves with the >> welfare >> > > of >> > > > the project >> > > > The fact some people have a need to attack, argue and contort some >> peoples >> > > > words. >> > > > That too me is far more important right now. We need to set up honest >> > > > communication, >> > > > where people- even the verbal - can say something and not be blasted. >> > > > >> > > > The greivance committee pretty much said no "help" for at least 5-6 >> > > months - so >> > > > >> > > > for the temporary being I suppose one could infer it means only one >> for >> > > now. >> > > > But - I suppose given enough time perhaps a committee - elected by the >> > > > coordiantors >> > > > themselves would be the best avenue. >> > > > >> > > > I'm sure several people are not speaking for fear they will be >> verbally >> > > hung on >> > > > their words. >> > > > That's a shame. If I wasn't running for NC I probably would hit the >> > > delete key >> > > > as many have/are >> > > > doing. >> > > > >> > > > And BTW: Sheila that is one of my favorite Robert Frost poems >> > > > >> > > > BarbL >> > > > >> > > > Donkelly wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> >> > > > > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:01 PM >> > > > > Subject: [IGW] voting >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Just a coincidence that it is the second site brought up containing IGW hosts' names on other sites? Shouldn't we be happy to see other sites relating to our own line of interest? I guess not. By the way - until this summer Maura also had a Co. Tipperary site, which I admired greatly personally - it never occured to me to attack her for having it, instead I listed it on my own Co. Tip site as a great place to go to for further research opportunities. Doh! I guess I'm really silly eh! Imagine rejoicing when you come across someone with a similar interest - if I get the general idea; we're supposed to try to suppress any one sharing our interest like that as a competator/enemy? Shoot! I'll never make it at this game! I guess I just don't understand genenalogy???! Words to live by - consider the source! Another good one could possibly be - consider the impression we present to others in a message BEFORE hitting the 'send' button. Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 08:05 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >maura >first what are you talking about with Don? >Second - apparently someone did put your name on the contact page >if I can find it again I will most certainly show you >third - do I really need to answer why would I be going through Yahoo >looking for Kildare links?? > >You are correct I must consider the source > >Sorry to put this on the list, when I hit reply to sender, it brings it back to >the list >please accept my apologies. My puter is not allowing me to copy and paste >despite rebooting. > >BarbL > >Maura wrote: > >> --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 >> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit >> >> Well, yahoo is confused. >> >> I never hosted Kildare. >> >> If my name is on that page, which I still have been unable to access, I >> don't know why. >> The only -possible- reason is that it might be an old page of a former >> member here who put something up which I did not know of. All I can say >> about that is "consider the source". >> >> But I would like to ask this of you.. is there some reason you are >> digging up old pages, first you bring up something from two years or so >> ago that you found Don's name on, and now somehow you find something >> supposedly with my name on it and are "concerned"? >> >> If you are the Kildare host and its on that directory, and it bothers >> you, just delete it. You may remember others had access to all the >> passwords for all the sites in the past, and anyone with a password can >> put up or fool with a page at their will. Personally, I've changed my >> password not long ago to prevent someone who previously had all , or >> nearly all, the passwords to all the county sites from fooling with >> anything. >> >> Others who inherited sites might be wise to do the same. >> >> Maura >> >> --WebTV-Mail-28479-195 >> Content-Disposition: Inline >> Content-Type: Message/RFC822 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit >> >> Received: from mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by >> storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 >> 16:28:24 -0800 (PST) >> Received: by mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 1DB1B6A; >> Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) >> Delivered-To: mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by >> mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id >> DFB8417E for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:19 -0800 >> (PST) >> Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 >> Received: from du11069.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.69) by >> mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 >> Message-ID: <388F90A9.4DFD88CE@ptdprolog.net> >> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0500 >> From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net >> Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net >> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> >> Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: KILDARE >> References: <1134-388F8B6C-693@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Actually Maura >> I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list IS >> >> the only way for me to communicate >> >> Let me refresh your memory >> That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. >> While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours >> Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there >> Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate >> Kildare?? >> >> Yahoo apparently thinks you did. >> >> BarbL >> >> Maura wrote: >> >> > Barbara, >> > >> > First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you >> > email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. >> > >> > I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in >> > ~irlkid I got your page. >> > >> > I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this >> > at me. >> > >> > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> > *********************************** >> > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm >> > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only >> > the word subscribe in the body of an email to >> > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com >> > for the digest version >> >> --WebTV-Mail-28479-195-- > > > > >

Mary I'm not getting into a fight with either you or Don over this let Maura handle this herself- as for the search anyone is welcome to find it I only wanted to know what it was and why it was there. Since I got it from a Yahoo search the only person who can now get rid of is Maura. It's as easy as that. If I found it so can anyone else. It is going to be a confusing link and I was just inquiring. Others are making a bigger deal out of this. No one has called Maura a liar - we forget and perhaps she has too. It happens. I am not going to aplogize for asking a simple question- what is this. Could have been answered easily - no hostility - no blow up. I would suggest others stop helping the problem - as it is way out of control. BarbL

Thank you Maura for pointing out these facts - I was not aware that everyone apparently had access to the sites previously - not a very secure system at all if so! I had changed my own password just as a matter of course. Someone with a grudge, or just a mite 'unbalanced' - could potentially do a lot of damage. Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 06:37 PM 1/26/00 -0600, Maura wrote: > >--WebTV-Mail-28479-195 >Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > >Well, yahoo is confused. > >I never hosted Kildare. > >If my name is on that page, which I still have been unable to access, I >don't know why. >The only -possible- reason is that it might be an old page of a former >member here who put something up which I did not know of. All I can say >about that is "consider the source". > >But I would like to ask this of you.. is there some reason you are >digging up old pages, first you bring up something from two years or so >ago that you found Don's name on, and now somehow you find something >supposedly with my name on it and are "concerned"? > >If you are the Kildare host and its on that directory, and it bothers >you, just delete it. You may remember others had access to all the >passwords for all the sites in the past, and anyone with a password can >put up or fool with a page at their will. Personally, I've changed my >password not long ago to prevent someone who previously had all , or >nearly all, the passwords to all the county sites from fooling with >anything. > >Others who inherited sites might be wise to do the same. > >Maura > > >--WebTV-Mail-28479-195 >Content-Disposition: Inline >Content-Type: Message/RFC822 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > >Received: from mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by > storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 > 16:28:24 -0800 (PST) >Received: by mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 1DB1B6A; > Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) >Delivered-To: mpetzolt2@webtv.net >Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by > mailsorter-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id > DFB8417E for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:28:19 -0800 > (PST) >Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 >Received: from du11069.haz.ptd.net (HELO ptdprolog.net) (204.186.11.69) by > mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 00:28:03 -0000 >Message-ID: <388F90A9.4DFD88CE@ptdprolog.net> >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0500 >From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net >Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> >Cc: IGW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: KILDARE >References: <1134-388F8B6C-693@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Actually Maura >I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list IS > >the only way for me to communicate > >Let me refresh your memory >That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. >While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours >Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there >Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate >Kildare?? > >Yahoo apparently thinks you did. > >BarbL > > >Maura wrote: > >> Barbara, >> >> First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you >> email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. >> >> I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in >> ~irlkid I got your page. >> >> I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this >> at me. >> >> Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> *********************************** >> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm >> To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only >> the word subscribe in the body of an email to >> SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com >> for the digest version > > > > >--WebTV-Mail-28479-195-- > > >

What Yahoo page? you posted a rootsweb address? What was it you were actually trying to get across? Hmmm! perhaps if a short 'history' of the project were available for the project you would be able to figure out if someone had at one time been host or applied for a county without having to appear to personally attack some one instead. But then, if you were at all interested in Maura's email address - I believe that you could probably find it on the main IrelandGenWeb site, under (whoops I had to go all the way to bottom of your Kildare page to find the link to IGW - the topmost link leads to "BritishIsles GenWEb"??) county/host listing - very handy indeed for anyone wanting to reference a county host for whatever reason. Barb - the more you protest, the more you bring out the good sides facts for the points you are protesting - I'm still trying to figure out why? Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 07:26 PM 1/26/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Actually Maura >I don't have tyour email address on hand so e-mailing you to to the list IS > >the only way for me to communicate > >Let me refresh your memory >That page now deleted - was up for adoption by you. >While roaming thru the pages of Yahoo - i found this page of yours >Please adopt me - was courious what it was and why it was there >Since it had your name attached - did you at one time coordinate >Kildare?? > >Yahoo apparently thinks you did. > >BarbL > > >Maura wrote: > >> Barbara, >> >> First of all, if you want to ask me a specific question, I suggest you >> email me privately instead of "announcing" it to the whole list. >> >> I have no idea what that page is. Couldn't access it, when I typed in >> ~irlkid I got your page. >> >> I've never hosted Kildare so I have no idea why you are directing this >> at me. >> >> Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> *********************************** >> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm >> To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only >> the word subscribe in the body of an email to >> SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com >> for the digest version > > > > >

Maura whatis the big deal I merely inquired I did nothing more You are the one getting your panties in an uproar. All I wanted to know was what was it since you doubt me go find it yourself- Nate did the same search as I di d - he found it perhaps you can too. You're making a big issue over this - why?? Maura wrote: > Barbara.... > > since you refuse to write to me privately, I'll send this to the list. > > Why is it of any concern of yours what my name is on? Unless you are > "worried" about something? You must have a LOT of free time being in > charge of ALL you are to spend lots of time searching around the web at > leisure trying to find things with my name and Don's name on it? > "Curious", I think not. > > Why are you so concerned with who I say what to? Worried about > something? Who do you write to off list? > > Gee, Barbara , as a candidate for office here, you're certainly showing > me (and everyone I guess) what your management style is.... > > I am not interested in an argument with you. I've purposely tried to > stay off this list and out of things until YOU dragged me into this > current situation by writing what should have been a private note to me > to the whole list. A great example of why the hosts emails are on the > main page now isn't it? Just go to the main page and find whoever you > need to find! It's really so simple and helpful! > > And lastly, I"ve been biting my fingers on this comment for awhile , but > your continuing to bring up and drag up the leadership team into issues > which are over and done with leads me to say..... gee Barbara, if you're > so concerned about it, too bad you weren't -chosen- to be on it, huh? > Then you would have -known- what happened. > > Now I kindly suggest you leave me alone, and go back to running for > office. Your continual picking at people is doing nothing to help us in > general here. Let it go and get on with your life. > > > Maura mpetzolt2@webtv.net > *********************************** > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > To join the SHAMROCK list (for searching in all of Ireland), send only > the word subscribe in the body of an email to > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com > for the digest version

Actually, I think that a decision 'not to vote' or 'abstaining' can possibly lead to the election of a lesser candidate due to lack of interest, participation or willingness to commit yourself. If you feel a candidate is worthy of election (or conversely see attitudues that you disagree with), please exercise your right to do so. I had volunteered to stand for the election to ensure that we did have a choice - I then withdrew my name when I saw that we did clearly have such a choice at hand. Some of us can have our messages 'critiqued' but others can't? Normally, you receive in this world what you are willing to put into it. You get what you give. Reap what you sow? Can't complain about the results when you don't like the harvest! Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 12:58 PM 1/26/00 -0500, Sheila wrote: >I assume, after observation, that whenever anyone, posts a message, it is >going to be disected and fed back to the list with comments under each >sentence. >I personally posed some of my thoughts just as a list participant not >needing to have my sentences critiqued. I am not running for an office. I >will refrain from further comments. This is my choice. I wish you all well. > >I would like to let Don know I have taken care of the blackhole problem, I >have forwarded it to the proper authorites. They will handle it from here. > >There would not be an election if there were not at least 2 nominees. >Having a choice is a good thing. > >A decision "not to vote" is a vote. >Not voting is voting. > >Whatever, or whoever the outcome, I will continue to do the best job I can >maintaining the Sligo WGW site. > >Good luck, >Céad Míle Fáilte, > >Sheila > > > > >