I am receiving hundreds of emails and neglecting my own projects. For the next two day I will be working on updating the Ireland webpage. Everything else has to wait. If anyone has an emergency, contact me off list. Don

Thanks Mary. Carol directed me to WGW where I selected a better logo. I will post it as soon as I can. Thanks again. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: [IGW-cc] Fuzzy logo! > Hi Don: > > Don't know if you're well enough right now to be worred about the 'fuzzy' > wgw logo on the main IrelandGenWeb page. It looks fuzzy right now because > it is a 100 X 100 pixel graphic with the html image tag set at 150 X 150. > > The WGW logo page at <http://www.worldgenweb.org/images/index.html> doesn't > give the html coding for each sample as most such sites do. The graphic > current displayed on the main IGW page is the 3rd from the top in the right > row, and would display clearly at the smaller size once the image tag was > adjusted to 100 X 100. > > If you wanted to display the larger graphic, then the 2nd image in the > right row would be uploaded with an image tag showing a width and height of > 160 X 160. It is always so much easier to properly upload an > organization's logo properly when the correctly coded html tags are listed > along with the graphics - I'm sure it's just an oversight on WGW's part. > > Mary Kelly > Co. Tip >

Interesting. It was noted that votes for the 101 best Web Sites was solicited on our own England Web Page. I didn't know that the vote was already tallied. This is neat, quite a feather in the developer's caps. Congratulations to Carol and Nate for creating the 101 best site. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila" <hhelser@bright.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: [IGW-cc] Ireland website > The Family Tree Magazine for April 2000 has an article called 101 Best Web > Sites. One of these 101 websites is listed under "special interest" and it > is www.pa-roots.com/Ireland/ The magazine is a publication of F&W > Publications, Inc. 1507 Dana Ave. Cincinnati, OH 45207. E-mail, > editor@familytreemagazine.com. > The magazine is very well done and informative. > > > > Sheila > -------------------------------------------------------- > dp The essence of humanity = > dp is in the pursuit of the arts! > || http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html > || .-.-. > ' || ` http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ ( : ) > ) || ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ .-.\ ' /.-. > _)::(_ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ (_..SLIGO.._) > ) || ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ ( /|\ ) > ( \/ ) '-' | '-' > `-..-' > >

Yes Mary. I don't know what I'm doing yet, but I am trying and misses like Carlow will be soon addressed. Volunteers actually exceed vacancies so, with a little luck, all counties will be covered soon. We still need volunteers for upcoming committees. As an announcement, someone asked Nate about my viewpoint about some issues. My viewpoints have never been a secret. If anyone wants to review, just omit the middle man and directly ask me off list. That is the only place I will discuss a personal opinion, most especially a contentious one.<grin> "It's a long ways to T." Thanks for the touch Mary. Now back to bed. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [IGW-cc] IGW > Hi Don: > > I'll bet you're getting greener by the minute eh! I don't envy you your > job right now! Hope you're feeling better soon. > > Glad to see that you've put up a line on orphaned counties that the sites > are in need of a permanent host. Isn't Co. Carlow also in need of a host > though - your notice doesn't appear on that page and potential volunteers > hosts could perhaps be missed for that site. > > Mary Kelly > Co. Tip >

Hi Carol. Being responsive to this list: The rules committee, Newby Host and selecting coordinators for orphan counties were announced on this IGW-CC list several times in the last eight months. If I was not clear in the announcements that I personally made, I apologize. I intend to keep my promises to make or recommend necessary changes. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Bennett" <Carol@tower-house.demon.co.uk> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: [IGW-cc] IGW > In message <002201bf7932$1e555de0$3884d2d1@don>, Donkelly > <donkelly@grovenet.net> writes > >Hi gang....still down, but still working part time. > > > >We have launched a rules committee, named a Newby Host, and started naming > >new hosts for orphan counties. By this time next week, Ireland counties, > <snip> > > > It seems some things don't ever change. We are still being > told about things after they have been decided. > > Who is 'We?' > > It will be interesting to see who is on the rules committee. > > > -- > Carol Bennett > CAR: http://www.tower-house.demon.co.uk/car/ > > CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ > CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ > DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ > LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ > NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ > WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ > > ArmaghGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ > > Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ > The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk >

Hi Don: Don't know if you're well enough right now to be worred about the 'fuzzy' wgw logo on the main IrelandGenWeb page. It looks fuzzy right now because it is a 100 X 100 pixel graphic with the html image tag set at 150 X 150. The WGW logo page at <http://www.worldgenweb.org/images/index.html> doesn't give the html coding for each sample as most such sites do. The graphic current displayed on the main IGW page is the 3rd from the top in the right row, and would display clearly at the smaller size once the image tag was adjusted to 100 X 100. If you wanted to display the larger graphic, then the 2nd image in the right row would be uploaded with an image tag showing a width and height of 160 X 160. It is always so much easier to properly upload an organization's logo properly when the correctly coded html tags are listed along with the graphics - I'm sure it's just an oversight on WGW's part. Mary Kelly Co. Tip

Maura Petzolt has volunteered to manage the Ireland Project rules and bylaws committee. Barbara Laven has volunteered to welcome new county hosts and help them get started with their county and/or query pages. Project leaders will select their own staff and will announce new volunteers here. Thanks Barbara and Maura for becoming Ireland project volunteers. We have enough projects coming up to keep everyone busy. More volunteers wanted. Thanks all Don

The Family Tree Magazine for April 2000 has an article called 101 Best Web Sites. One of these 101 websites is listed under "special interest" and it is www.pa-roots.com/Ireland/ The magazine is a publication of F&W Publications, Inc. 1507 Dana Ave. Cincinnati, OH 45207. E-mail, editor@familytreemagazine.com. The magazine is very well done and informative. Sheila - ------------------------------------------------------ dp The essence of humanity = dp is in the pursuit of the arts! || http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html || .-.-. ' || ` http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ ( : ) ) || ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ .-.\ ' /.-. _)::(_ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ (_..SLIGO.._) ) || ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ ( /|\ ) ( \/ ) '-' | '-' `-..-'

Hi Don: I'll bet you're getting greener by the minute eh! I don't envy you your job right now! Hope you're feeling better soon. Glad to see that you've put up a line on orphaned counties that the sites are in need of a permanent host. Isn't Co. Carlow also in need of a host though - your notice doesn't appear on that page and potential volunteers hosts could perhaps be missed for that site. Mary Kelly Co. Tip

In message <002201bf7932$1e555de0$3884d2d1@don>, Donkelly <donkelly@grovenet.net> writes >Hi gang....still down, but still working part time. > >We have launched a rules committee, named a Newby Host, and started naming >new hosts for orphan counties. By this time next week, Ireland counties, <snip> It seems some things don't ever change. We are still being told about things after they have been decided. Who is 'We?' It will be interesting to see who is on the rules committee. -- Carol Bennett CAR: http://www.tower-house.demon.co.uk/car/ CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ ArmaghGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk

Hi Don sorry to hear you are ill whatdoyoumean bythis time next week all counties will be filled including NI??? Barb Donkelly wrote: > Hi gang....still down, but still working part time. > > We have launched a rules committee, named a Newby Host, and started naming > new hosts for orphan counties. By this time next week, Ireland counties, > including NI, should be nearly 100% covered. > > That is a very good start, but we have dozens of other projects to get > started. Volunteers are surely appreciated. > > Now to collapse again. Don O'Collaugh Kelly, new NC with green face and > shaky legs. Cheers

Congratulations on your new post as NC. I am sorry you are ill. May I ask who is on the new Newby Host committee? Sheila At 02:29 AM 02/17/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Hi gang....still down, but still working part time. > >We have launched a rules committee, named a Newby Host, and started naming >new hosts for orphan counties. By this time next week, Ireland counties, >including NI, should be nearly 100% covered. > >That is a very good start, but we have dozens of other projects to get >started. Volunteers are surely appreciated. > >Now to collapse again. Don O'Collaugh Kelly, new NC with green face and >shaky legs. Cheers > > - ------------------------------------------------------ dp The essence of humanity = dp is in the pursuit of the arts! || http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html || .-.-. ' || ` http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/ ( : ) ) || ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ .-.\ ' /.-. _)::(_ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ (_..SLIGO.._) ) || ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/ ( /|\ ) ( \/ ) '-' | '-' `-..-'

Hi gang....still down, but still working part time. We have launched a rules committee, named a Newby Host, and started naming new hosts for orphan counties. By this time next week, Ireland counties, including NI, should be nearly 100% covered. That is a very good start, but we have dozens of other projects to get started. Volunteers are surely appreciated. Now to collapse again. Don O'Collaugh Kelly, new NC with green face and shaky legs. Cheers

Hi Don: Hope you're feeling better soon! A quick look at the WGW logo on the new main page and the source code shows that the graphic tag should be set at a width & height of 100 instead of 150. Looks great without the huge Amazon advertisement! Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 09:08 PM 2/14/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: <snip> is it my screen or is the WGW logo >fuzzy?? > >BarbL > > >

nice to see the main page has remained the same :o) was wondering how com e there is no link to BIGW on the site and is it my screen or is the WGW logo fuzzy?? BarbL

I'm sick right now, but do I have stuff. Talk in a couple of days. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [IGW-cc] greetings > Sounds interesting Don - what type of projects do you have in mind? As far > as I know we haven't really been called upon to do anything other than host > our own county sites for the project. > > I'm a fairly competant (?) typist (can't spell worth a darn though) and am > not bad with html coding. I'm willing to do anything I can to help out > where ever you could use me! > > Mary Kelly > Co. Tip > > > At 04:55 PM 2/13/00 -0800, you wrote: > >I thank the Ireland CC's for the fine work that has been accomplished in the > >past four years. Now we move forward to many new projects. There is more > >than enough work for everyone, so if you want to volunteer for extra > >projects, please let me know. > > > >Since everyone isn't on this list, please pass the word and encourage them > >to join this gentler mailing list. > > > >The main Ireland page is located at: http://users.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw > > > >If you have suggested changes or additions, please let me know. > > > >Don Kelly > > > > > > >

Sounds interesting Don - what type of projects do you have in mind? As far as I know we haven't really been called upon to do anything other than host our own county sites for the project. I'm a fairly competant (?) typist (can't spell worth a darn though) and am not bad with html coding. I'm willing to do anything I can to help out where ever you could use me! Mary Kelly Co. Tip At 04:55 PM 2/13/00 -0800, you wrote: >I thank the Ireland CC's for the fine work that has been accomplished in the >past four years. Now we move forward to many new projects. There is more >than enough work for everyone, so if you want to volunteer for extra >projects, please let me know. > >Since everyone isn't on this list, please pass the word and encourage them >to join this gentler mailing list. > >The main Ireland page is located at: http://users.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw > >If you have suggested changes or additions, please let me know. > >Don Kelly > > >

I thank the Ireland CC's for the fine work that has been accomplished in the past four years. Now we move forward to many new projects. There is more than enough work for everyone, so if you want to volunteer for extra projects, please let me know. Since everyone isn't on this list, please pass the word and encourage them to join this gentler mailing list. The main Ireland page is located at: http://users.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw If you have suggested changes or additions, please let me know. Don Kelly

I have been asked byDon to ask Pascal to disclose who got what. I informed Don Iwould do no such thing. Several will see this as being mean, or underhanded. Fact is, I will not ask Pascal simply because of what happened over the last few days. I see no reason to ask him to change his mind simply because several people want to know how many votes I or Don. I also see no reason why we need to know how many of the CC's actually voted. To me this is just a way to gloat. As I already said I made a statement to Pascal. What Pascal chose to do is Pascal's decision. I will tell you I asked him to not do it because of what I foresaw happening; it came to fruition. I have been informed a grievance was filed against Pascal and Nate I assume for the manner in which this election was held. I am also told because I was the stated reason I am involved whether I like it or not. If the grievance committee follows up on this foot stomping I will inform the committee what I said and forward a copy. However, I have not been asked for such. I am not throwing a temper tantrum here about being the excuse. In fact, if Nate and Pascal chose my reasons for not posting the results then I congratulate them in making a wise decision. I will not deny I made the request and I see no reason to allow anyone to use the request in any greivance which will be seen as IGW throwing a temper tantrum to WGW. Nor will I allow them to torment others the way they are attempting with me. As Don stated it is in the past. Let it be. Barb Lavin

Barb I will no longer be responding to you on list - you made me angry enough to stoop to your infantile level once and I have apologized to all hosts for doing so. If you would like to carry on this nonsence by private email that is your choice - but you should be warned that you are badly outclassed. I do not expect to see another message on list addressed to myself by you. Thank you for your cooperation! Mary kelly Co. Tip At 04:39 PM 2/13/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >Blah blah blah >bite me > >Mary A. Kelly wrote: > >> Right! you tell one me precisely one time I attacked IrelandGenWeb! I >> strongly urge you to consider what you are saying. Yes I protested the ** >> that we were subjected to for a month and stood up for the project, >> protesting those weilding undue and unnecessary influence over us - while >> you continued to defend the same during the entire time! >> >> I am not attacking everyone else - I am now down to attacking you since you >> do clearly intend to make it a personal matter! >> >> You have done nothing but defend Nate and other WGW officals from the very >> beginning - indeed without your input I would probably not have found it >> necessary to send out a single message to this list! >> >> You bet your boots I wouldn't have blasted you baby! I am in such a hurry >> to forget that I have ever heard of your (personally I mean!). I WANTED A >> END TO THE ELECTION AS PROMISED! do you read English at all? read my lips! >> I don't give a damn about you or your ego! I sat by and let you keep >> shooting yourself in the foot - I knew that as soon as anyone read your >> messages there was no way you could possibly win! You did not need any >> help to lose the election - you could have done it all by yourself! >> >> One person out of 17 does not have a right to negate everyone elses >> options! Or you should have had the courage to make such a request public >> to ensure that everyone involved was advised - it was not YOUR election - >> it was OUR election! if you were afraid of the results you should have >> withdrawn - it is not our fault that you were afraid of incurring possible >> comments. >> >> You told the group about your request to suppress, ONLY BECAUSE you were >> contacted by someone about a possible public message that you may have sent >> out requesting that stats not be released, but that none of us had read. >> Only when the word grievance was mentioned by someone in a private message >> to you did you put out your own message owning up to the fact that you >> privately asked our 'impartial' election coordinator to repress a >> democratic election result. >> >> We would not have ridiculed you - to the contrary - we would have been very >> happy to finally have the bloody thing over. I have not once ridiculed you >> (up to now) I find you do a wonderful job of doing so yourself! You >> definitely do not need any help! >> >> You are the first to advise anyone to get a life, get on with things, don't >> get our pants in a twist! You are the author of these suggestions - it >> would be wonderful if you would do so yourself! >> >> I still stand for a united Ireland Genweb and thank god we have someone >> level headed in charge at last - I don't envey him his job at all. I think >> that many of us have proven that we have our own opinions and the right to >> express them. We were also entitled to a democratic election - not one >> solely on your terms Barb! >> >> You want to carry this to the list. fine! you have finally succeeded in >> making me angry and causing me to respond in kind! >> >> I would request that you read your own first lines in your message below - >> you are right - YOU are not god and YOU are not the world and YOU are not >> IrelandGenWeb - and I DID NOT try to sabatoge our election - surely you had >> to realize that doing so would only cause more disscention! So it is >> entirely thanks to you that this nonsence continues - thanks a lot! >> >> I doubt few others of the 17 hosts were even aware that you had gone behind >> their backs to ensure that the results of THEIR election were denied to >> them by yourself. Talk about thing you are god (you did bring it up). >> >> Mary Kelly >> Co. Tip >> >> At 12:56 AM 2/13/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >> >Well Mary >> > >> >I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ASK PASCAL!!!! >> >YOU ARE NOT GOD YOU ARE NOT THE WORLD AND YOU >> >ARE NOT IRELANDGENWEB. >> >If you truly cared about Irelandgenweb the way you claim then you >> >would stop attacking it and everyone else. >> > >> > >> >If Pascal chose to take my request to heart then he has every right >> >to do so. What's wrong?? did I hit a nerve was I right you would have >> >blasted me. Never mind don't answer that your answer below shows I am. >> >Since day one you have taunted me with your needy liitle >> >questions. How can I do this How can I do that. >> > >> >I made the request because as a candidate I felt it was a bad idea. >> >I was right. I'm not taking anything personally >> >you've shown me long ago that you have no >> >legtimacy in your complaints. >> > >> >I told the group whatwas said so they would >> >know who and why it was said. Since youa re >> >the only one upset - oops sorry Maura is too - obviously >> >no one else cares. So stop your foot stomping and get a life >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Mary A. Kelly wrote: >> > >> >> Barb: >> >> >> >> How dare you as a nominee standing in a democratic election presume that >> >> you have the right to interfer with the election process. That is >> >> outlandish! It is truly the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard >> >> of! As an impartial party Pascal should not even have considered your >> >> request or be bound by it! >> >> >> >> What true democrat? - a true democrat would insist on full disclosure - or >> >> consider withdrawing from an election instead if they really were >> >> interested in settling matters or worrying about what others may say. >> >> >> >> The people you are referring to on this list - I am speaking for myself - >> >> have ONE INTEREST in mind - IrelandGenWeb. I am sorry if you must take >> >> everything personally - if you are willing to dish it out, you should come >> >> to grips with the fact that you have to be able to receive it back, without >> >> having to stoop to name calling or silly inuendos when you are proven wrong >> >> or run out of steam. >> >> >> >> The 'complainers' on this list had only one interest - IrelandGenWeb - and >> >> ensuring that a rational, level headed person were finally appointed to >> >> manage it! Instead, we are subjected to undue influence by 'whoever' from >> >> behind the lines right up to the very last minute! >> >> >> >> Why should your request to 'supress' the results have any more weight than >> >> our request for 'full disclosure' - some democracy! So one person out of >> >> 17 over-rules the others! right!! >> >> >> >> Mary Kelly >> >> Co. Tip >> >> >> >> At 12:32 AM 2/13/00 -0500, irishsun@ptdprolog.net wrote: >> >> >hello and thank god it's over >> >> >i am going to fix an error nate unfortunately made. >> >> >i brought this to his attention. he was going to send >> >> >an email - i said i would. >> >> > >> >> >pascal said he was going to make the votes public >> >> >a true democrat at heart i asked him not to. >> >> >my reasons were simple >> >> >there are several people on this list who >> >> >have found a need to bicker with others, making fun of >> >> >them etc. i stated to pascal it would only cause more >> >> >bickering and back stabbing. that message went to him in >> >> >private from his public email. i purposefully deleted the igw address >> >> >for several reasons: i didn't want more accusations on the list, >> >> >and i didn't want more headaches from the fad 3. >> >> > >> >> >turns out i was right in my request. the complainers are making >> >> >yet another grievance to the committee concerning the election >> >> >which means igw is in yet another wonderful mess with wgw. >> >> > >> >> >wish i could stop this for ya.. but now the deed is in don's lap >> >> >don are you reaaly going to make the complaint or will be the leader >> >> >the majority hopes you'll be and put it behind us? >> >> > >> >> >good luck gang >> >> > >> >> >barb lavin >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >