Don, I've just visited the Province page to check out the counter for you, and it reads 4856 to me. It seems that it could indeed have a problem. Jayne Carol Bennett wrote: > Don > > You may have problems with your counter on the Province > site. > > I have visited the site several times this morning, but > the figure displayed on the counter has never changed once > to register my visits. It seems to be stuck at 4857 hits. > If it is the counter Don, you may be missing valuable hits. > The real figure could be double that shown. > > Any other hosts having this problem or is it my PC? > > Cheers, > > Carol > > Carol Bennett > CAR: http://www.tower-house.demon.co.uk/car/ > Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ > > Co-ordinator, EnglandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw > > CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ > CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ > DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ > LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ > NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ > WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ > Armagh,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ > Carlow,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar/ > > The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk -- Co-ordinator: ENGLANDGENWEB: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw CHESHIRE, England: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engchs/index.html DEVON, England: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdev/index.html BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, England: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbkm/ ANGLESEY, Wales: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsagy/index.html BRECONSHIRE, Wales: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsbre/index.html CAERNARFONSHIRE, Wales: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlscae/index.html GALWAY, Ireland: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlgal/Galway.html WESTMEATH, Ireland: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwem/index.html Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/8865/

Don You may have problems with your counter on the Province site. I have visited the site several times this morning, but the figure displayed on the counter has never changed once to register my visits. It seems to be stuck at 4857 hits. If it is the counter Don, you may be missing valuable hits. The real figure could be double that shown. Any other hosts having this problem or is it my PC? Cheers, Carol Carol Bennett CAR: http://www.tower-house.demon.co.uk/car/ Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ Co-ordinator, EnglandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ Armagh,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ Carlow,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar/ The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk

Oh Donny Boy, The hosts, the hosts are calling...... First of all, in the none too distant past, I recall you saying that NOTHING would be done to IGW without consultation with the hosts. Having said that, I like the idea of Province pages. Nice touch, BUT I agree with Jack, the project should focus on information for the Province as a whole. As they stand, the Province pages are a waste of time and effort and only duplicate information already available on the IGW page. Carol Carol Bennett CAR: http://www.tower-house.demon.co.uk/car/ Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ Co-ordinator, EnglandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ Armagh,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ Carlow,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar/ The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk

In message <001f01bfac82$b94cb040$3384d2d1@don>, Donkelly <donkelly@grovenet.net> writes >Please excuse me for the misspelling of "NOW". I fat-fingered the key. >Discussion of whether or not to have provincial pages IS NOW open for >discussion. Yeah, we'll believe you Don but thousands wouldn't! Haha. Carol Carol Bennett CAR: http://www.tower-house.demon.co.uk/car/ Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ Co-ordinator, EnglandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ Armagh,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ Carlow,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar/ The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk

Please excuse me for the misspelling of "NOW". I fat-fingered the key. Discussion of whether or not to have provincial pages IS NOW open for discussion. Thank you for not laughing too hard. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: [IGW-L-cc's only] Provintial pages > Hi gang, > > I feel right now like a bird caught in a badminton game. But that is OK. I > asked for it. > > I have put my Provincial project on hold and removed the links from the > Ireland Project Index pending further discussion among the coordinators > whose opinions I value highly. > > The subject of whether or not to have Provincial pages is not open for > discussion. > ============================================================ > First, let me explain how this idea evolved: > > Three years ago as CC of Leitrim I proposed this idea to the NC and shortly > after that I put the original Gateway To Connaught page up on a Mayo server. > Since then there have been nothing but positive comments about the site. > > Before putting up the new Gateway To Connaught page, I discussed the idea > for months with SC's, NC's and CC's. All thought it was a good and useful > idea. However, it is a test page, nothing is written in stone, and > usefulness has recently been brought into question. > > I have been contacted in this matter by four CC's and one NC who all > indicate that they don't like the Idea. I respect their opinions and I > immediately took the pages down. > > USEFULNESS: Please permit me to explain my rationale for adopting provincial > pages: > > The Ireland Project Index page provides links to county pages with no > original content for counties, baronies, provinces or other type of > subdivision. That is the way it should be. > > The county coordinators work hard to develop information specific to their > county, but > they do not normally develop special subjects that apply to two or three > counties or even to the province as a whole. > > I see a bridge there that needs to be filled. > > Thanks for hearing me out. > > Don > , but no original information about counties, baronies, provinces or any > other districts. It is a bare directory page and that is the way it should > be. > > >

Don, I hope you don't include me in the list of CC's not liking the Province Page, because I didn't say that <grin>. Betsy

Good point. Before I put the genealogy links in, I made sure the information was not already on the counties in Connaught. There was no duplication of effort found because the links went to other cooperating genealogical entities, with their permission. That was true at least in 1997 when the page first went up. My intent is to add content, not reinvent the wheel. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Reidy" <jreidy@writeme.com> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-L-cc's only] Province Page > I think Liz has a good point here. Don is likely to have family stuff > to attend to this weekend. So if Don does not respond to our posts to > the list in the next few days, we should not get all upset and assume > it's because he does not care for our opinions. > > But I do think that while the idea of province pages may have some > merit, it is something all the hosts should have had the chance to > discuss before they were implemented. > > As the example page was done I find it a bit confusing. For example the > first link for Sligo is Sheila's page as it should be (I think). But > there is another link for Genealogy which calls up a different page. Do > we not want people interested in Genealogy in Sligo to look at the IGW > Sligo page first??? It seems to me have county-specific links on the > province page make things more confusing and in some ways both > duplicates work of the county host and could divert traffic from the > county page. > > I think if a province page is made it should focus on information for > the province as a whole and inter-county issues (like border areas). > > The county links are still on the main IGW page which is good, although > perhaps they could have been integrated with the provinces (if we want > to do provinces). > > Jack Reidy > > LizHaren@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/22/00 8:50:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > betsy@megalink.net writes: > > > > << I have received only one message from you with a wrong URL. After that, > > no more explanations, corrections or anything. There wasn't any further > > reaction/explanation after that. >> > > > > Considering it's a holiday weekend, I would imagine Don has some family > > issues to attend to. >

Hi Don, Well, when setting up a page in another place, the owners of the area websites suggested that I get permission before linking or referring to another's page. It's courtesy, and folks are usually very happy to oblige. I don't think any of us feels that we are "owners", but a lot of hard work and "spare" time goes into producing and taking care of those pages. Once stuff is put on the net it is out there for all to see and use. I think you do a very fine job; I'm not being critical, but I am curious. As a newcomer when Nate was leaving his job I watched a lot of "fight" going on. It was sickening and I almost didn't stay. I am glad I did, and I have met some wonderful folks. I am a minister of two churches, and this feels like ministry beyond the local church, and very satisfying. Genealogy balances my life in a rewarding, healthy way. Happy Easter! Betsy Webber ----- Original Message ----- From: Donkelly <donkelly@grovenet.net> To: Betsy Webber <betsy@megalink.net> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-L-cc's only] Province Page > This is my idea and my project, but it may not be a good or useful idea. The > idea has been on the board for three years and was discussed with past NC's > and the present NC of NIGW, and has been mentioned on this list. New > projects are not normally announced until they are completed. > > If it don't work out, we can use the site for something else which may be > more useful. > > You are correct, I did not discuss it with Sheila.....I didn't know I had > too.<grin> > > Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betsy Webber" <betsy@megalink.net> > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 5:49 AM > Subject: [IGW-L-cc's only] Province Page > > > > Hey, Don, what is going on? I think you have a responsibility to let > your County Coordinators in on what you are doing -- especially when it > affects us and our pages. Obviously Sheila reacted re: County Sligo. > > Obviously you hadn't talked with Sheila about County Sligo. > > > > Is this your idea to put us on the Province pages? What about asking your > co-ordinators Or telling them of your idea? > > Are you letting ALL of us co-ordinators in on what is happening? > > I have received only one message from you with a wrong URL. After that, > no more explanations, corrections or anything. > > There wasn't any further reaction/explanation after that. > > I think the idea that the Provinces are being noted is good; I found it > helpful, but I wouldn't have done things this way. > > Where are Barb and Maura now? and 4000 hits? Something smells funny, > and I can detect it in the wind blowing into the great state of Maine, and > it's not our paper mills. > > > > Betsy Webber > > > >

Hi gang, I feel right now like a bird caught in a badminton game. But that is OK. I asked for it. I have put my Provincial project on hold and removed the links from the Ireland Project Index pending further discussion among the coordinators whose opinions I value highly. The subject of whether or not to have Provincial pages is not open for discussion. ============================================================ First, let me explain how this idea evolved: Three years ago as CC of Leitrim I proposed this idea to the NC and shortly after that I put the original Gateway To Connaught page up on a Mayo server. Since then there have been nothing but positive comments about the site. Before putting up the new Gateway To Connaught page, I discussed the idea for months with SC's, NC's and CC's. All thought it was a good and useful idea. However, it is a test page, nothing is written in stone, and usefulness has recently been brought into question. I have been contacted in this matter by four CC's and one NC who all indicate that they don't like the Idea. I respect their opinions and I immediately took the pages down. USEFULNESS: Please permit me to explain my rationale for adopting provincial pages: The Ireland Project Index page provides links to county pages with no original content for counties, baronies, provinces or other type of subdivision. That is the way it should be. The county coordinators work hard to develop information specific to their county, but they do not normally develop special subjects that apply to two or three counties or even to the province as a whole. I see a bridge there that needs to be filled. Thanks for hearing me out. Don , but no original information about counties, baronies, provinces or any other districts. It is a bare directory page and that is the way it should be.

I think Liz has a good point here. Don is likely to have family stuff to attend to this weekend. So if Don does not respond to our posts to the list in the next few days, we should not get all upset and assume it's because he does not care for our opinions. But I do think that while the idea of province pages may have some merit, it is something all the hosts should have had the chance to discuss before they were implemented. As the example page was done I find it a bit confusing. For example the first link for Sligo is Sheila's page as it should be (I think). But there is another link for Genealogy which calls up a different page. Do we not want people interested in Genealogy in Sligo to look at the IGW Sligo page first??? It seems to me have county-specific links on the province page make things more confusing and in some ways both duplicates work of the county host and could divert traffic from the county page. I think if a province page is made it should focus on information for the province as a whole and inter-county issues (like border areas). The county links are still on the main IGW page which is good, although perhaps they could have been integrated with the provinces (if we want to do provinces). Jack Reidy LizHaren@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/00 8:50:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > betsy@megalink.net writes: > > << I have received only one message from you with a wrong URL. After that, > no more explanations, corrections or anything. There wasn't any further > reaction/explanation after that. >> > > Considering it's a holiday weekend, I would imagine Don has some family > issues to attend to.

Hey, Don, what is going on? I think you have a responsibility to let your County Coordinators in on what you are doing -- especially when it affects us and our pages. Obviously Sheila reacted re: County Sligo. Obviously you hadn't talked with Sheila about County Sligo. Is this your idea to put us on the Province pages? What about asking your co-ordinators Or telling them of your idea? Are you letting ALL of us co-ordinators in on what is happening? I have received only one message from you with a wrong URL. After that, no more explanations, corrections or anything. There wasn't any further reaction/explanation after that. I think the idea that the Provinces are being noted is good; I found it helpful, but I wouldn't have done things this way. Where are Barb and Maura now? and 4000 hits? Something smells funny, and I can detect it in the wind blowing into the great state of Maine, and it's not our paper mills. Betsy Webber

In a message dated 4/22/00 8:50:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, betsy@megalink.net writes: << I have received only one message from you with a wrong URL. After that, no more explanations, corrections or anything. There wasn't any further reaction/explanation after that. >> Considering it's a holiday weekend, I would imagine Don has some family issues to attend to.

Disregard the original link. I have gotten the corrected link from Don. It is http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcnn/index.htm According to Don, the site will provide province level history, some province resources, and directory and linking service to the local county IGW. If I haven't misunderstood Sheila's concern, it seems as though her Sligo site will be linked from the province site; not another Sligo site to compete with hers. If that is the case, then that shouldn't be an issue. I still am concerned that these proposed provinces are not going to more of a redundancy of the parent IGW site then. I know Cork gets a large feed from the parent site(IGW), some days as much as 30% (I track daily). If, in fact, this is to be a gateway page, it will mean that the user wil have to page thru one more step until he or she gets to content at the county level. How is that better? Lastly, I have tried to push my site hits up on the Cork site by improving the site rankings with Yahoo, Altavista, HotBot, and infoseek. I have had some degree of success, but it is still a work in progress. What is the secret to getting 4800 hits in two weeks? How are they being fed? I could not find the site listed on any of the search engines I checked: Yahoo, AltaVista, or HotBot. If you have a secret, then I am jealous and need to learn how it is done. -----Original Message----- From: Talbot <talbot23@netzero.net> To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:05 PM Subject: [IGW-L-cc's only] New Page >I have checked out the new page and it does make an excellent appearance. There is however a couple of things I am unclear regarding the province pages. > >1. What exactly are they to do that is not already being done by either the county or parent IGW sites? >2. If the mission of the new site is not to do something different, how are they to accomplish doing what the existing sites are doing, but doing it better? > >Without the above answers, I am somewhat vague about any chances of success of these sites becoming popular. It's not like there is a wealth of undiscovered genealogy matierial at the province level. The word "province" seldom, if ever mentioned in the various messages sent to county lists. > >This is just my opinion, I would like hear what others think. > >Tom Cleary >County Cork > > > > _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

OK I did find it. The URL in Don's email was wrong but the correct link is on the IGW page. Having seen the page, I still share Tom's concerns about the role of these pages. Jack Reidy Talbot wrote: > > I have checked out the new page and it does make an excellent appearance. There is however a couple of things I am unclear regarding the province pages. > > 1. What exactly are they to do that is not already being done by either the county or parent IGW sites? > 2. If the mission of the new site is not to do something different, how are they to accomplish doing what the existing sites are doing, but doing it better? > > Without the above answers, I am somewhat vague about any chances of success of these sites becoming popular. It's not like there is a wealth of undiscovered genealogy matierial at the province level. The word "province" seldom, if ever mentioned in the various messages sent to county lists. > > This is just my opinion, I would like hear what others think. > > Tom Cleary > County Cork

I had a "Not Found" error when I tried this URL so I can't comment on the page itself but I share the concerns raised by Tom concerning the role to be played by these province pages. Jack Reidy (Limerick) Donkelly wrote: > > The new Province Connaught page with GenConnect query board is located at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlccn/index.htm for anyone with a genealogical > connection in Connaught. > > It has also been posted to the IrelandGenWeb index page. > > We have starter pages for Munster, Ulster and Leinster, all available for > adoption. > > Don

I have checked out the new page and it does make an excellent appearance. There is however a couple of things I am unclear regarding the province pages. 1. What exactly are they to do that is not already being done by either the county or parent IGW sites? 2. If the mission of the new site is not to do something different, how are they to accomplish doing what the existing sites are doing, but doing it better? Without the above answers, I am somewhat vague about any chances of success of these sites becoming popular. It's not like there is a wealth of undiscovered genealogy matierial at the province level. The word "province" seldom, if ever mentioned in the various messages sent to county lists. This is just my opinion, I would like hear what others think. Tom Cleary County Cork

As of 11:45 EST, where did it go? -----Original Message----- From: Donkelly <donkelly@grovenet.net> To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 1:00 AM Subject: [IGW-L-cc's only] new page >The new Province Connaught page with GenConnect query board is located at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlccn/index.htm for anyone with a genealogical >connection in Connaught. > >It has also been posted to the IrelandGenWeb index page. > >We have starter pages for Munster, Ulster and Leinster, all available for >adoption. > >Don > > _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Don, I think if you want to do Province pages, that is fine. I repect your wish to add to the IGW and your enthusiasm to make the IGW even greater. But I am a bit hurt that you as National coordiator feel you need to have your own Sligo County page, when I have already have been working my typing fingers to the bone, getting information online for Sligo IGW, and spending many hours organizing the files and graphics. There will always be several Sligo pages on the interent, but you are the National Coordinator for the IGW group I am a part of. Sheila db The essence of humanity is in db ~/ the pursuit of the arts! || // SHEILA'S CORNER _||// http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/ ' || ` _\_|_/_ ) || ( |violin | _)::(_ _|Sonatas|_ ) || ( | ( \/ ) | /'`-..-' /|\

The new Province Connaught page with GenConnect query board is located at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlccn/index.htm for anyone with a genealogical connection in Connaught. It has also been posted to the IrelandGenWeb index page. We have starter pages for Munster, Ulster and Leinster, all available for adoption. Don

In message <a4.2d7e51d.262487f9@aol.com>, GG4you4170@aol.com writes >In a message dated 4/10/00 9:47:23 PM Central Daylight Time, N3DM@erols.com >writes: >Dick, Just got your message today.... I am not having any bounce back today. > But in the last two or three day I was flooded with them. I am going to sit >on this for a couple of days and see what is happening. I will let the group >know if I get any more and THEN I will have to have some help. > >Vicki > Vicki As Dick said in his post, it is a problem that you as the administrator for the board are responsible to resolve yourself. Probably the only reason you're not having any bounces today is that nobody has posted any queries. As board administrator you will receive an email notice of every message posted to any of your boards. You will also receive a notice if mail to someone subscribed to your board bounces. Copy the email address shown in 'From:', go to the sub/unsub section of your board and paste the address in the email field, click the unsub radio button and then click 'Send Address.' Take Carol Hepburn's advice and pay a visit to the GenConnect website at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/AdminCenter and read the how-to instructions. There is a mail list for help and tips as well as a FAQ board for questions. Help is there in abundance....... Carol Bennett Ulverston Heritage Centre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukuhc/ Co-ordinator, EnglandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw CumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcul/ CumbriaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcma/ DurhamGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ LancashireGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englan/ NorthumberlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engnbl/ WestmorlandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwes/ Armagh,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ Carlow,IrelandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar/ The Watchers: http://www.watchers.org.uk