There is some confusion among new hosts about the boards (for queries) and surname helper. GenConnect is the system that makes the query, obits, bios boards. Surname Helper is the system that makes your surnames searchable. They are two separate systems but they work together. If you go to your query board and click on the link that reads Surname List it will take you to another page with all the surnames for your county. On this page it will say: "This surname index page was generated for the Londonderry, Ireland pages by Surname Helper. The Londonderry, Ireland pages are managed by Carol Hepburn. " This is the page that is giving out misinformation. Your query board will still have your email on it (at the very bottom of the page) but this page will have Dick McCoach's name and email on it. The return link will be to your website. This is the page we need to update so that our visitors don't get confused. If you visit this page and your name appears where it belongs (like mine does) then you are all set and don't have to worry about a thing. If however, the page shows Dick's name you need to go to the change form and reset your query board password. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html If you don't know your password, you can ask for your password to be emailed to you by clicking on the button that says mail me my password. When you get the email - try your password again. If your password still doesn't work - you need to email Elaine Burkove at st_rays@hotmail.com and tell her that your password is invalid and ask for a new one. Your password should work ig you have been admin'ing your board - removing queries and such. Also, make sure you are putting in your board's url correctly. On this form you must put in (the beginning of the string is already there so just add this part) /Ireland/Armagh (example). If you put it in wrong you will get a FILE ERROR! Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/

Carol & all: I think that the surname helper page is inputting the name of the last person that accesses the GenConnect admin pages for any county board. Dick's name was on the surname list for Co. Tipperary last evening because he had taken over the extra boards. When I went in and changed something on the query board through admin, my name again appeared on the surname list in place of Dick's. >From this I am inferring, that at any time that Dick goes into any of the extra boards through the GC admin system - his name will again appear as the name of the site owner on the surname page. Mary Co. Tip At 12:25 PM 7/11/00 -0700, chepburn@uswest.net wrote: >There is some confusion among new hosts about the boards (for queries) and >surname helper. > >GenConnect is the system that makes the query, obits, bios boards. Surname >Helper is the system that makes your surnames searchable. They are two separate >systems but they work together. > >If you go to your query board and click on the link that reads Surname List it >will take you to another page with all the surnames for your county. On this >page it will say: > >"This surname index page was generated for the Londonderry, Ireland pages by >Surname Helper. The Londonderry, Ireland pages are managed by Carol Hepburn. " > >This is the page that is giving out misinformation. Your query board will still >have your email on it (at the very bottom of the page) but this page will have >Dick McCoach's name and email on it. The return link will be to your website. >This is the page we need to update so that our visitors don't get confused. > >If you visit this page and your name appears where it belongs (like mine does) >then you are all set and don't have to worry about a thing. If however, the >page shows Dick's name you need to go to the change form and reset your query >board password. > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html > >If you don't know your password, you can ask for your password to be emailed to >you by clicking on the button that says mail me my password. When you get the >email - try your password again. If your password still doesn't work - you need >to email Elaine Burkove at st_rays@hotmail.com and tell her that your password >is invalid and ask for a new one. > >Your password should work ig you have been admin'ing your board - removing >queries and such. Also, make sure you are putting in your board's url >correctly. On this form you must put in (the beginning of the string is already >there so just add this part) /Ireland/Armagh (example). If you put it in wrong >you will get a FILE ERROR! > >Best Wishes, > >Carol Hepburn >chepburn@uswest.net >Phoenix, AZ USA > >Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ >Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ > > >==== IGW Mailing List ==== >National Coordinator > > >

Thanks Carol, I have now changed the details for Westmeath. Jayne chepburn@uswest.net wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are functioning > again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites that are > in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who > surname helper thinks is the site administrator. ........<snip>

Has anyone noticed that a couple of 'surname helper' passwords are appearing instead of the site ID on the list for Armagh and Clare counties. Mary Co. Tip <snip> >Go right now to this page >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html >and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose Ireland >and press the submit button. > >It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the >Surname Helper pages. > >Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different tracking >system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then go to >the Site Managers Page here: > >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html > >and: > >Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) and your >GenConnect board password. > >You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for >your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to >overwrite your entry. > <snip> > > >

Here are the counties that need to be updated in the Surname Helper Index. Armagh Carlow Cavan Clare Connaught Dublin Kilkenny Ireland General Kerry Laois Limerick Longford Louth Mayo Meath Monaghan Offaly Roscommon Tyrone Westmeath Wexford Wicklow To change the surname helper index, use the http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html form. Put in your board url and password then when you get to the admin screen scroll down to the bottom. Re-enter your password and check the update surname helper password box. Click submit. If you don't know you password, click the send me my password button. Once you get your password - go back to this form. The Surname Helper Index will be updated automatically, Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/

Carol: I shouldn't be having any problem with this as I was working on my surname boards all last night (adding in the connecting board codes that Don had mentioned) there was no problem with anyone else having a board - that is why I tested it on my surname board. It certainly didn't update to my GC password, and won't take the 'surname helper' password either. By the way folks, the page explaining how to add extra links to your board if you are interested, is at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/AdminCenter/tips/MultiLink.html Mary Co Tip At 11:42 AM 7/11/00 -0700, chepburn@uswest.net wrote: >Mary, > >It appears that if you use the change form through GenConnect it will >automatically update your name into the Surname Helper index. > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html > >I think some of you have done this because I checked the index and your names >are now appearing there where Dick's were before. > >Best Wishes, > >Carol Hepburn >chepburn@uswest.net >Phoenix, AZ USA > >Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ >Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:27 AM >Subject: Re: [IGW-CC's] Re: New development with GC pages > > >> Well this just keeps getting more weird! I tried following your >> instructions below with one of my surname boards - just to see what would >> happen. >> >> As I didn't remember my password, I clicked on the send password button. >> When I input the password on the surname page again, along with the path as >> per their instruction, then the page would return with the password in the >> path line and a message that the password (that they just sent me is >> invalid) - it doesn't work either with my GC password. >> >> Is it the surname admin system that is crazy, or is it me? They send me my >> password on request, then reject it as invalid? I thought that I was >> confused before! >> >> Mary >> Co. Tip >> >> At 08:10 AM 7/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >> >Hi Folks, >> > >> >I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are >> functioning >> >again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites >> that are >> >in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who >> >surname helper thinks is the site administrator. >> > >> >Go right now to this page >> >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html >> >and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose >> Ireland >> >and press the submit button. >> > >> >It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the >> >Surname Helper pages. >> > >> >Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different >> tracking >> >system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then >> go to >> >the Site Managers Page here: >> > >> >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html >> > >> >and: >> > >> >Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) >> and your >> >GenConnect board password. >> > >> >You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for >> >your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to >> >overwrite your entry. >> > >> >Best Wishes, >> > >> >Carol Hepburn >> >chepburn@uswest.net >> >Phoenix, AZ USA >> > >> >Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ >> >Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> >> >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net>; <chepburn@uswest.net> >> >Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:41 PM >> >Subject: New development with GC pages >> > >> > >> >> A new development on the GC issue.... >> >> >> >> now if you go to the surname helper site >> >> http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your >> >> county, an interesting thing happens..... >> >> >> >> When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland >> >> homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email >> >> address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, >> >> but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the >> >> GenConnect request form). >> >> >> >> So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland >> >> page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for >> >> some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and >> >> HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? >> >> >> >> This is getting worse Don, not better. >> >> >> >> ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as >> >> "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. >> >> It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading >> >> people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see >> >> the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") >> >> >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> >> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> >> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage >> >> http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS >> >> >> >> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >==== IGW Mailing List ==== >> >The IrelandGenWeb Project >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== IGW Mailing List ==== >> The IrelandGenWeb Project >> >> > > >==== IGW Mailing List ==== >Donald O'Collaugh Kelly > > >

For those of you who want to link to your cluster pages from your (upper left corner) of your GC query page. Joan Young of GC kindly provided the code. Code predicated upon query and cluster pages being in same subdirectory. Change words to those which apply to your county. Back to County Leitrim, Ireland</a>Other County Leitrim, Ireland Boards; <a href='./LeitrimBibl'>Bible Records</a><a href='./LeitrimBios'>Biographies <a href='./LeitrimObits'>Obituaries</a>Also see<a href='http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllet/index.htm'>IrelandGenWeb To break lines, use the common <br>following</a> Please, html code writers, note the ' used in place of " wherever found. Add more to the code because every type of board uses the same code. Just make sure that you have LeitrimWill instead of LeitrimWills or Leitrim Wills. Very important to get the name (LeitrimWill / whatever)spelled correctly. Don

Mary, It appears that if you use the change form through GenConnect it will automatically update your name into the Surname Helper index. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html I think some of you have done this because I checked the index and your names are now appearing there where Dick's were before. Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-CC's] Re: New development with GC pages > Well this just keeps getting more weird! I tried following your > instructions below with one of my surname boards - just to see what would > happen. > > As I didn't remember my password, I clicked on the send password button. > When I input the password on the surname page again, along with the path as > per their instruction, then the page would return with the password in the > path line and a message that the password (that they just sent me is > invalid) - it doesn't work either with my GC password. > > Is it the surname admin system that is crazy, or is it me? They send me my > password on request, then reject it as invalid? I thought that I was > confused before! > > Mary > Co. Tip > > At 08:10 AM 7/11/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are > functioning > >again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites > that are > >in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who > >surname helper thinks is the site administrator. > > > >Go right now to this page > >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html > >and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose > Ireland > >and press the submit button. > > > >It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the > >Surname Helper pages. > > > >Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different > tracking > >system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then > go to > >the Site Managers Page here: > > > >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html > > > >and: > > > >Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) > and your > >GenConnect board password. > > > >You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for > >your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to > >overwrite your entry. > > > >Best Wishes, > > > >Carol Hepburn > >chepburn@uswest.net > >Phoenix, AZ USA > > > >Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ > >Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> > >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > >Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net>; <chepburn@uswest.net> > >Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:41 PM > >Subject: New development with GC pages > > > > > >> A new development on the GC issue.... > >> > >> now if you go to the surname helper site > >> http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your > >> county, an interesting thing happens..... > >> > >> When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland > >> homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email > >> address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, > >> but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the > >> GenConnect request form). > >> > >> So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland > >> page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for > >> some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and > >> HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? > >> > >> This is getting worse Don, not better. > >> > >> ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as > >> "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. > >> It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading > >> people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see > >> the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") > >> > >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > >> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > >> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > >> http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > >> > >> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > >> > >> > > > > > >==== IGW Mailing List ==== > >The IrelandGenWeb Project > > > > > > > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > The IrelandGenWeb Project > >

Well this just keeps getting more weird! I tried following your instructions below with one of my surname boards - just to see what would happen. As I didn't remember my password, I clicked on the send password button. When I input the password on the surname page again, along with the path as per their instruction, then the page would return with the password in the path line and a message that the password (that they just sent me is invalid) - it doesn't work either with my GC password. Is it the surname admin system that is crazy, or is it me? They send me my password on request, then reject it as invalid? I thought that I was confused before! Mary Co. Tip At 08:10 AM 7/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are functioning >again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites that are >in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who >surname helper thinks is the site administrator. > >Go right now to this page >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html >and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose Ireland >and press the submit button. > >It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the >Surname Helper pages. > >Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different tracking >system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then go to >the Site Managers Page here: > >http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html > >and: > >Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) and your >GenConnect board password. > >You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for >your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to >overwrite your entry. > >Best Wishes, > >Carol Hepburn >chepburn@uswest.net >Phoenix, AZ USA > >Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ >Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> >To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> >Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net>; <chepburn@uswest.net> >Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:41 PM >Subject: New development with GC pages > > >> A new development on the GC issue.... >> >> now if you go to the surname helper site >> http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your >> county, an interesting thing happens..... >> >> When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland >> homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email >> address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, >> but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the >> GenConnect request form). >> >> So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland >> page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for >> some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and >> HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? >> >> This is getting worse Don, not better. >> >> ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as >> "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. >> It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading >> people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see >> the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage >> http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS >> >> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm >> >> > > >==== IGW Mailing List ==== >The IrelandGenWeb Project > > >

One clarification...... this was discussed at great length (for days, weeks) on the L_O_A_F-L list (List Owner's Alternative Forum) MyFamily.com did indeed "acquire" all Rootsweb properties, including the domain names of usgenweb.org and worldgenweb.org (which Charles Merrin, the new General Manager of Rootsweb stated that while MyFamily.com did acquire it, they were going to allow the USGW and WGW to maintain it, but that's just a verbal agreement between them to my knowledge, not a contract. They own the domains just as Rootsweb did prior). As for GenConnect, that system was also a property of Rootsweb.com Inc. and as such was sold in this acquisition. There was some discussion as to what this meant, and basically the GenConnect staff and the HelpDesk staff said that while the posts remained with the individual posters as to copyright, the system was now part of MyFamily.com. All former "Rootsweb staffers" who remained/remain (I'm told several left) are thereby now on MyFamily.com's payroll. This would include HelpDesk and GenConnect staff to my knowledge. I wrote several days ago to Mr. Merrin about this situation. I have not heard back. I don't know exactly what this means as I am aware that previously he answered emails fairly quickly. Maybe (hopefully?) they are "looking into all this". This is all a lot to take in, and a lot to wade through, understand and make sense of. But being informed is better than staying in the dark and just allowing things to happen to us, in my opinion. Maura <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm

I still work all night at Intel until Wednesday morning. Consequently, I sleep most of the day, but I also read everything posted to our CC list. I cannot at this point respond individually, but I note general agreement that GC should not link to our page URLS, state a title on their pages, or say or do anything to lead any visitor to believe that they are part of the IrelandGenWeb project. We have a lot to straighten out. If we decide to keep the GC pages we have, I am in favor of that, but I insist that our rules and our coordinators be honored and respected for the work they have done maintaining those pages for years. I have been looking into things. Like USGW, GC has their files on RW.....and like USGW, GC is an independent initiate. I have been looking for, but found no evidence that USGW or GC was purchased by MFC......so that being the case, GC can make and enforce, or try to enforce, their own rules. On the other hand, our rules for query boards was built around the rules for GC boards. If GC rules have changed, and it appears they have, we do not have to change our rules to accommodate GC changes. So all we have there is the long standing connection between IGW and GC. If GC wants to keep that connection, then GC must compromise and accommodate our rules. >From a legal standpoint, the jury is out, but it looks like we can legally do some things to protect ourselves. In no certain order: Demand that no links be established from any GC page not already in the IrelandGenWeb project, the main national page, nor to any county page. That such GC pages cannot say they are XXcounty manager or use any language to lead visitors to believe that GC or a GC manager has anything to do with any IGW Project. We can put disclaimers on all of the (outlaw?) pages that the subject page is not part of the IGW project and the managers of those pages are not connected with IGW. NOTE: Make it shorter......and make it nice. Visitors are not our targets. Then, we may have the spam angle. After all, GC no longer collects raises funds for the Rootsweb Servers, so the banners on the pages seem to be raising money for owners of GC. That makes GC a profit making commercial business to which we can deny links to our free genealogy sites. On the spam angle, the ISP involved, but be sure it is who we think it is, might respond to our rights not to be spammed. Lastly, we really have good reasons for refusing links. Visitors will come to those GC pages. Some visitors may put porno on those pages, or otherwise post inappropriately. With one person to manage 300 sites, it could be weeks before inappropriate content is removed. Meanwhile, who will be blamed? The IGW CC page it links to of course. We do not have to accept that risk. Well, I am sleepy....and put this together extemporaneously to let you know I was reading and thinking. I want to all to think about these Ideas. I want you all to think about other good ideas posted by other CCs here, good ideas all. I want to also thank Carol for her great idea. Maura has many good ideas that need to be refined <grin>. We solicit several new ideas for legal things we can do to save our IGW project from being victimized like this. I propose that CCs who have GC pages they want to keep, go to your pages and make sure, as mine was, that you can still maintain them, that your password has not been removed. I see no dark intent here........I think a lot of mistakes were made. I believe if we keep our heads, most or all of those mistakes can be rectified. NOW PERSONALLY: I was disappointed by Dick's actions because adding cluster pages to every county was one of my planned projects for Ireland, even if we had to have a cluster pages committee to keep them up. The big payoff would be accessibility by search engine at the national project of every cluster page in the Ireland Project. Since Dick took all of the pages, and probably will not remain in the IGW Project, now our plans to use GC must be changed to another query system. So you see, GC didn't have to give away all of those pages. All they had to do was ask me if I wanted them because I had planned to ask anyway. NOTE: Maura keeps reminding me <grin>that I never announced the resignation of Dick from County Dublin and the IrelandGenWeb Project. I want nothing read into that except what I said. I gave The Dublin CC until Monday night at midnight to remain CC of Dublin provided that he asked the permission of every CC to link to their pages, and offered any who wanted to option to maintain their own county cluster pages. After all, if Dick is paid to do this, he will be paid no matter who maintains the sites. So as I see it, having three hundred sites to manage is no advantage at all. It's like a paper tiger with four feet pinned to the ground. You can write all over that tiger and the tiger has no way to retaliate. Those three hundred pages could easily be impossible to maintain. Don O Kelly with his personal hat on.

Drats! I was afraid of that. The site manager password is usually controlled by the GC board. Since Dick got in there - the password is obviously changed to match his. Here is a suggestion: Go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html and put in your board urls (if you have queries, obits - do each one). When it loads your admin information - go to the bottom and put in your same password as you are using and check the (update surname helper box). Press submit. This may reset the surname helper password and then you can make the change to the site managers page. If this doesn't work - Patti Lindsey is the person to help out. She is very nice and has been helpful in the past. Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> To: <chepburn@uswest.net> Cc: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-CC's] Re: New development with GC pages > Carol, > > This worked for me up to the point where I had to put in my password, > and it wouldn't accept my GC board admin password for this..... > > I did check and my GC password still works on the Admin display of the > Waterford Query and Wills board, but it's not working here. > > Dick obviously is using a different password, or has changed it somehow? > > Any other thoughts on how to deal with this? I doubt writing to Nancy > Trice will do much good to get it changed, or Dick..... > > Maura > >

Sheila, That may have been how it's worked for the USGW (where I also took on some boards) but it's -not- the way it worked with boards affiliated with the WGW. This was confirmed by Joan Young, and the "change in policy" was never officially announced, and the wording on the pages is still questionable. The issue is not who has how many boards.... the issue is the treatment of the hosts by the GC Staff members, the deceitt involved by a (now former) host, and his attempt to undermine this project through his conduct, not to mention his absolute refusal to even acknowlege emails and his passing off our pages (which are OUR intellectual property according to US Copyright Law) as -his- by registering them with GC as "the url of _your_ international page". If this all doesn't bother you, fine. However, it does seem to bother most of us. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm

Way back in last year they offered all the boards to the county coordinators. And if the person wanted them they could have them, but if the person did not want them they would be put up for adoption for I assume anyone who would be willing to administer them. I wanted to be sure that I had control of the Sligo boards to care for them properly so I took them all. I also took all of Venango and McKean County. I have since given the Venango baords to a wonderful volunteer for Venango and she administers them. I trust her, she loves the site as much as I do. It is work to keep an eye on all the boards, so having Penny take care of Venango has helped me. However, by taking them in the first place I was able to decide who could care best for them. McKean is pretty quiet. The password is not the same for all borads of a county. When someone gets a board they get a password but if someone else takes the others they get a different password. For a while Penny and I were jointly doing the Venango boards and the surname helper used to sometimes put her name as the site admnistrator. I see she is now listed as the site administrator if you go to the PA and McKean because she has a few of those boards too. http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/sitelist.pl I am the Venango County coordinator but by giving Penny the boards in her name to administer the Genconnect surname system lists her as the site coordinator on that surname page. It is ok, they will know who is the coordinator when they get to Venango. And perhaps it is referring to the boards site coordinator. It has to do with who has the boards, that person is listed as site coordinator and the person who has the most boards is consider the prime adminstrator. It is a computer reading thing. So I am listed and the site administrator for Sligo but Penny is on McKean because she has more of them and Venango because she has them all. She does a good administration job and I appreciate the help. Sheila - ---------------------------------------- db The essence of humanity is in db ~/ the pursuit of the arts! || // _||// Sheila's Corner ' || ` hhelser@bright.net ) || ( _)::(_ http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/ ) || ( ( \/ ) /'`-..-' - ----------------------------------------

Same here. It won't take my GC password. Christina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-CC's] Re: New development with GC pages > > --WebTV-Mail-5270-9587 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Carol, > > This worked for me up to the point where I had to put in my password, > and it wouldn't accept my GC board admin password for this..... > > I did check and my GC password still works on the Admin display of the > Waterford Query and Wills board, but it's not working here. > > Dick obviously is using a different password, or has changed it somehow? > > Any other thoughts on how to deal with this? I doubt writing to Nancy > Trice will do much good to get it changed, or Dick..... > > Maura > > > --WebTV-Mail-5270-9587 > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 > 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) > Return-Path: <IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > with ESMTP id IAA24493 for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 > 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id > e6BF35n20326; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:03:05 -0700 > Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:03:05 -0700 > X-Original-Sender: chepburn@uswest.net Tue Jul 11 08:03:05 2000 > Delivered-To: fixup-IGW-L@rootsweb.com@fixme > Message-ID: <007201bfeb4a$39c85200$0300000a@carols> > Reply-To: <chepburn@uswest.net> > From: <chepburn@uswest.net> > Old-To: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>, <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Old-Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net> > References: <2711-396AC192-18752@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:10:58 -0700 > Organization: Ace Promotions > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Subject: [IGW-CC's] Re: New development with GC pages > Resent-Message-ID: <3-HXoD.A.a9E.pcza5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/638 > X-Loop: IGW-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Hi Folks, > > I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are functioning > again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites that are > in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who > surname helper thinks is the site administrator. > > Go right now to this page > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html > and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose Ireland > and press the submit button. > > It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the > Surname Helper pages. > > Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different tracking > system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then go to > the Site Managers Page here: > > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html > > and: > > Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) and your > GenConnect board password. > > You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for > your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to > overwrite your entry. > > Best Wishes, > > Carol Hepburn > chepburn@uswest.net > Phoenix, AZ USA > > Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ > Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net>; <chepburn@uswest.net> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:41 PM > Subject: New development with GC pages > > > > A new development on the GC issue.... > > > > now if you go to the surname helper site > > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your > > county, an interesting thing happens..... > > > > When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland > > homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email > > address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, > > but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the > > GenConnect request form). > > > > So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland > > page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for > > some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and > > HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? > > > > This is getting worse Don, not better. > > > > ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as > > "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. > > It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading > > people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see > > the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") > > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > > > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > > > > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > The IrelandGenWeb Project > > > --WebTV-Mail-5270-9587-- > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > National Coordinator >

--WebTV-Mail-5270-9587 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Carol, This worked for me up to the point where I had to put in my password, and it wouldn't accept my GC board admin password for this..... I did check and my GC password still works on the Admin display of the Waterford Query and Wills board, but it's not working here. Dick obviously is using a different password, or has changed it somehow? Any other thoughts on how to deal with this? I doubt writing to Nancy Trice will do much good to get it changed, or Dick..... Maura --WebTV-Mail-5270-9587 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id IAA24493 for <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6BF35n20326; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:03:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:03:05 -0700 X-Original-Sender: chepburn@uswest.net Tue Jul 11 08:03:05 2000 Delivered-To: fixup-IGW-L@rootsweb.com@fixme Message-ID: <007201bfeb4a$39c85200$0300000a@carols> Reply-To: <chepburn@uswest.net> From: <chepburn@uswest.net> Old-To: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net>, <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net> References: <2711-396AC192-18752@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:10:58 -0700 Organization: Ace Promotions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [IGW-CC's] Re: New development with GC pages Resent-Message-ID: <3-HXoD.A.a9E.pcza5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: IGW-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: IGW-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/638 X-Loop: IGW-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: IGW-L-request@rootsweb.com Hi Folks, I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are functioning again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites that are in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who surname helper thinks is the site administrator. Go right now to this page http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose Ireland and press the submit button. It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the Surname Helper pages. Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different tracking system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then go to the Site Managers Page here: http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html and: Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) and your GenConnect board password. You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to overwrite your entry. Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net>; <chepburn@uswest.net> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: New development with GC pages > A new development on the GC issue.... > > now if you go to the surname helper site > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your > county, an interesting thing happens..... > > When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland > homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email > address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, > but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the > GenConnect request form). > > So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland > page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for > some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and > HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? > > This is getting worse Don, not better. > > ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as > "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. > It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading > people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see > the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== The IrelandGenWeb Project --WebTV-Mail-5270-9587--

Hi Folks, I think I can fix this problem for us :o) My little gray cells are functioning again and I remember that Surname Helper has a index for all the sites that are in Ireland (all countries for that matter). In this index - it will show who surname helper thinks is the site administrator. Go right now to this page http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitelist-m.html and search for the Ireland Index. Choose all WGW sites and then choose Ireland and press the submit button. It will print the Ireland Index where it shows Dick listed for most of the Surname Helper pages. Note your county code/Site ID - this is key because SH uses a different tracking system than GC. Once you have your Site ID (IRLARMAGH for example) then go to the Site Managers Page here: http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/sitemgr.html and: Choose work with existing site and then type in your Site ID (all caps) and your GenConnect board password. You can then edit your name and email address to show you as site manager for your county. It should trigger the index to reset and not allow Dick to overwrite your entry. Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <donkelly@grovenet.net>; <chepburn@uswest.net> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: New development with GC pages > A new development on the GC issue.... > > now if you go to the surname helper site > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your > county, an interesting thing happens..... > > When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland > homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email > address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, > but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the > GenConnect request form). > > So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland > page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for > some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and > HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? > > This is getting worse Don, not better. > > ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as > "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. > It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading > people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see > the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > >

Hmmmmm. Surname helper doesn't know my county (Longford) exists. I did see what you are saying for Waterford and the listing of Dick's email as Dick McCoach at Irl-Ireland.Obituary.Page.GC@McCoach.com. on the Ireland hit. Odd that Longford won't come up. Maybe they aren't indexing this county. Christina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maura" <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:41 AM Subject: [IGW-CC's] New development with GC pages > A new development on the GC issue.... > > now if you go to the surname helper site > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your > county, an interesting thing happens..... > > When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland > homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email > address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, > but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the > GenConnect request form). > > So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland > page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for > some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and > HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? > > This is getting worse Don, not better. > > ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as > "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. > It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading > people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see > the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > The IrelandGenWeb Project >

Tried for Wexford & found similar result, has Dick McCoach listed as site manager but links to Wexford Ireland page end up at my page. It appears he has started Wexford Obituaries Query Board on which there is a link to McCoach Cluster Page. Regards Kevin Murphy Auckland New Zealand (Still home of the America's Cup) murphyk@ihug.co.nz http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murphygenealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwex ----- Original Message ----- From: Maura <mpetzolt2@webtv.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: [IGW-CC's] New development with GC pages > A new development on the GC issue.... > > now if you go to the surname helper site > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your > county, an interesting thing happens..... > > When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland > homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email > address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, > but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the > GenConnect request form). > > So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland > page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for > some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and > HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? > > This is getting worse Don, not better. > > ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as > "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. > It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading > people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see > the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > The IrelandGenWeb Project > >

A new development on the GC issue.... now if you go to the surname helper site http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html and put in the name of your county, an interesting thing happens..... When I put in Waterford, it says "Please see the Waterford Ireland homepage, or contact site manager Dick McCoach " and lists HIS email address..... tho I did notice that he has unlinked to my Waterford page, but is now linking to the main IGW page (still not "his" page under the GenConnect request form). So what is this now? I -thought- I was the host of the Waterford Ireland page, and I -thought- I had run the Waterford Query and Wills board for some years now.... Dick has those other boards for what ? a week? and HE"S listed as the Waterford "site manager"? This is getting worse Don, not better. ( I did some random checking, and it seems most counties list Dick as "site manager" unless you already had all the boards yourself I guess. It lists him as the "site manager" for nearly every county..... leading people to believe he is the host of the page the way it's worded as "see the Waterford Ireland homepage or contact site manager Dick McCoach.") <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm