In a message dated 12/4/2000 10:33:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, chepburn@uswest.net writes: Regarding Carol Hepburns suggestions... thanks Carol, you put a lot of thought and effort into that, and I for one appreciate it! .... I liked them all especially this one: << *Term limits for NC I don't believe that one person should remain the NC forever -- I was at the mercy of a SC in the USGW who stayed on the project for several years and would not step down even though the project was suffering greatly. I think that a NC should be elected every 1-2 years >> We should definitely have an election every year or two years, we don't need anyone serving for life who wont leave or call for an election! Been there done that! Its fine to re elect someone but we do need to have a policy for scheduled elections. I don't at all like ANY of the following and what this could mean in the hands of some NC who was power hungry (no offence to our current NC): *The Chairperson of the AB is appointed by the National Coordinator and serves at the discretion of the NC. There is no term limit for this position. *The Chairperson appoints the members of the AB staff who serve at the discretion of the Chairperson. There is no term limit for this position. *After that, future amendments or additions to this document will require action by the AB who as a committee will have the authority to propose changes based upon majority vote of the AB with final approval resting with the NC after final review by the WGW AB . I think Carol was right about the following also: *With growth of the IGW project, the AB will garner an ever expanding array of responsibilities. "This is a concern to me. I believe that a project should be open to all volunteers and that the duties of maintaining a project should be equally distributed. If everyone does their part, the project will succeed. The AB, as described here, will continue to add responsibilities and become a much more potent influence over the project than I think is wise." I know I didnt like the idea of projects already in place with appointed people already in charge with no consultation with the rest of the CCs, no opportunity to take part if the subject was of interest as it was already a done deal. I do think these kinds of country wide projects should be made known to the CC's BEFORE they are a fait a complis without us knowing anything about it. mary co kerry

Hi all, I just wanted to add a couple of comments regarding the new policies for the IGW. I have read them with interest and can see a distinct parallel between them and the overall policies and procedures in place by the WGW :o). As a member of the WGW Advisory Board, I am intimately familiar with the procedure for writing bylaws. In fact, the current WGW bylaws were rewritten mostly by me with approval of the board. While the WGW policy "fits" our parent project well, I think there are few areas that just don't extrapolate well when adopted by country projects. It is not that the WGW policy is wrong -- just that individual projects have differing needs and I think that these needs must be addressed locally and judiciously (with sensitivity to the coordinators who make up the project). I will try to quote from the actual sections and keep my comments brief: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------------- Section II: Advisory Board (AB) The Advisory Board (AB) is tentatively composed of five IGW volunteers; Chairperson, Secretary and three County Coordinators. >I think that the term used here Advisory Board (AB) is being used incorrectly. This sounds much more like an administrative committee that will help the NC maintain the entire project (like an Assistant NC or Assistant NC's). >I have no problem with this setup -- just that the term Advisory Board usually means a committee that serves above the NC or head of the project and reports to a higher authority (in this case, they should report to the RC - which is, I am sure not what anyone intended!). In the case of the IGW - the AB is appointed by the NC. In the WGW, the AB is made up of regional coordinators who oversee the entire project. Following the WGW policy, the authority chain follows: AVB, RC, NC or CC, then SC and last but not least the cc. This chain works very well for a project with over 500 websites spread throughout the world. I think that in the IGW it would be better to have a NC and Assistant NC or NC and admin team. Section II: Advisory Board (AB) With growth of the IGW project, the AB will garner an ever expanding array of responsibilities. >This is a concern to me. I believe that a project should be open to all volunteers and that the duties of maintaining a project should be equally distributed. If everyone does their part, the project will succeed. The AB, as described here, will continue to add responsibilities and become a much more potent influence over the project than I think is wise. The Chairperson of the AB is appointed by the National Coordinator and serves at the discretion of the NC. There is no term limit for this position. >I think term limits are a wise addition. The way that this policy is stated clearly sets up the situation whereby the NC and AB could coordinate the project forever. The cc's are stripped of their voting priveledges and are also kept from holding other positions within the project. I think it is fine to allow AB members to serve ad infinitum -- but think they should be reelected to the position every 1-2 years. This would allow all project members the opportunity to share in the project administration. The Chairperson appoints the members of the AB staff who serve at the discretion of the Chairperson. There is no term limit for this position. >Again, I think that this is unwise. I like the idea of posting job opportunities and allowing project members the chance to serve. Usually in a setup like this one, the NC will pick people who he/she is most comfortable with and then a small clique is formed. This precludes other volunteers from having any say in the project at all. Ditto on the term limits. Section V: Link and Logo Requirements Display of the WGW logo on county pages is optional. >This may be changing in Jan. 2001. The WGW Board has discussed this issue and feels strongly that all project websites need to identify themselves as part of the WGW through both link and logo. No official vote has been taken yet and the WGW policy page states: Each WGW site is required to have 2 (two) return links on their main page. 1) to the WGW home page (logo and/or link) 2) one level up (logo and/or link) >Project cohesiveness is a stake here -- there are many sites not afflilated with the WGW that merely link to our project homepages. I get many emails from visitors who cannot find the county project website -- they have no way of knowing if it is a project site or not. Section VIII: Contents of Websites >Recommend changing Query Board to Query Page. This is directed to Mary's comments on using a Query Board. It is not required by the WGW that any coordinator use a Query Board. Any method of maintaining queries is allowed. A note encouraging the use of GenConnect may be added if you think it is needed. I think the paragraph above this clearly states the WGW and IGW position on using a query method so this point is probably a null one. Section XI: Open After that, future amendments or additions to this document will require action by the AB who as a committee will have the authority to propose changes based upon majority vote of the AB with final approval resting with the NC after final review by the WGW AB . >I personally think that this is an unwise move. It affords tremendous power to the NC and AB and supercedes any policy changes that a project member may feel are worthwhile and necessary. The way that this is written suggests that the cc's have no say in what the policy is for this project. They have no way of amending, deleting or even proposing changes. All power rests with the NC and his/her AB. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------- My final comments: I know that my comments have very little weight being that I am not a standing coordinator within the IGW. But as a former coordinator, present NIRGW coordinator, WGW AVB member and just a simple county hostess for about a dozen WGW/USGW sites, I think that I do have a couple of good points :o) As someone who has seen the IGW through years of turmoil I believe strongly that the only way to overcome the past hurt, disagreement, and problems, is to create an open and welcoming project that affords each member an equal amount of say in any project development and change. In almost all the WGW cases that the AVB has had to intervene in - the underlying problem was simply an abuse of power. Whether it was one individual who held the project hostage or several who served jointly and made decisions without consent of the project volunteers, the project suffered because the hardworking efforts of the cc's were being subjugated to the whims and power control of a select few. I am not suggesting that the current NC or anyone who is serving in a position of authority within the IGW has had or desires in the near future to take full control of the project; but I think that given the past history and the present circumstances it would be wise to not continue down a path that has proven less than satisfactory to a good majority of project volunteers. I am an idealist and believe we are all adults here and that everyone's voice does matter (aka in Florida -- every vote does count!). I really would like to see the IGW amend these policies and adopt a much more open setting allowing any coordinator the opportunity to serve in any and all positions created by the project and for the project. Additions to the policy: Term limits for NC I don't believe that one person should remain the NC forever -- I was at the mercy of a SC in the USGW who stayed on the project for several years and would not step down even though the project was suffering greatly. I think that a NC should be elected every 1-2 years -- if the person is doing a great job, then so be it, let them be reelected! I think that many people are afraid that they will be voted out of a position but in most cases this is not true. There are many volunteers who are active participants but don't want to be a NC. They are happy to have someone else be in charge of the project. I think that there needs to be some mention how the NC gets their job! They are elected by the cc's!!! In the current policy there is nothing included regarding this very important issue! I am also in favor of splitting duties and having an administrative team set up. In PA USGW we have a SC and two Assistant Coordinators. This works well for us as we have so many counties that it would be a huge job for just one person to handle. In PA, the ASC is appointed - but only after having an open period whereby anyone with interest could submit their name for the position. I like this part - because even though we don't elect an ASC everyone who wants to has a chance to participate. In our case, we were only going to have one ASC but two people volunteered so we have two ASC's. The PA ASC's have no authority outside of the SC. We suggest and comment on events but we cannot act on our own. I would like to see this applied to the IGW. I think that the NC can identify where he/she may need assistance. Maybe he/she only needs one assistant to help with the project duties. I personally cannot see why this project would need so many people helping to run the show -- as a RC and NC of many country projects I know exactly what is required of a NC. Having more hands in the pot doesn't necessarily make the stew better! As far as appointing volunteers for other duties within the project I think this can easily be done by deciding what other areas need to be covered. Why not ask someone to be new coordinator welcome host/ess? How about having someone serve as training coordinator so that new cc's can learn how to admin their boards, mail lists, help them with web pages, etc. These types of positions don't need to be added to the bylaws and can come and go as needed. In the end, all our projects are made up of people, good people who only want the best for the project. I think that by giving everyone an equal share in the project - the project will grow and change all by itself without the need for a strict set of bylaws. Just my two cents, Best wishes, Carol Hepburn chepburn@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ USA

Sheila and Mary have raised good points that need to be clarified. Here is the operative ruling on both: If there is a mailing list and GC query board for your county, but someone else maintains those lists, the requirement for a county mailing list and a county query board is met. If there is a GC query board for your county, whether you maintain it or not, the requirement for a query board and a surname board is met. When you have a GC query board, the companion surname helper board is updated automatically each time you update the query board. The requirement for a surname board is satisfied. What we need to attend to are county pages that have no query board, mailing list or surname board of any kind. County hosts have the latitude to satisfy those requirements with any system they are comfortable with. Lastly, sections 7 and 8 are contradictory and confusing. We need to clarify both of those sections. This may take two or three days, but it will be accomplished. Keep tuned. Keep the suggestions coming. We are making rapid progress. Don Kelly

I do not do the mailing lists for any of the counties I do, McKean & Venango PA, Sligo Ireland. There is a volunteer for each county who does it. I do not do mailing lists. For one of the PA counties I have another volunteer who does the boards. Therefore there are boards and mailing lists for each county but I am not the one who is maintaining all of them. The volunteers are doing an excellent job. Sheila

Greetings All A rough draft of the new IrelandGenWeb policies and procedures page is on line for your collective inspection ( and dissection ). The URL to the draft follows: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw/bylaws.htm Since IGW is subject to WGW policies and procedures, it seemed prudent to take every precaution to insure that IGW policy complied with and was not in substantial conflict with WGW regulations. To that end permission was requested and granted for IGW to use the WGW policies as a pattern and from there scale the document down to better suit the needs of IGW. The rough draft is just that, Rough. There are errors and conflictions in it; conflictions also with our old policies, errors in spelling, not the best use of words in all cases, reflecting what it really is, a two day marathon effort to get something temporary on line that we can cut up and change to our heart's content until we can ratify something we can better live with on January 1, 2001. A file has been set up to hold suggestions. Every point of view will be gratefully accepted and every one will be carefully considered. When you submit a suggestion, please refer in your email to the section you are making the suggestion for. On the subject line, please write 'bylaws'. Thanks We are looking for a thousand page perfect document that addresses every conceivable issue we could as a project face. What we are looking for is a document that will address the issues we more often face, clearly and concisely so everyone will understand what is expected of every volunteer, and in the event of conflict, what their options and rights are. We are focusing on general structure, what we can leave out, what we need to add, what needs to be reworded, what contradictions need to be removed or clarified; everything on the document is open for objective inspection and rational solutions. Have a great holiday. I know we will all be busy this month, but when you have a little time, look the document over......select one section you would like to change, and let us know precisely what change you would like to see. These edits will be conducted on the fly, so please take this opportunity to make your personal opinions known. Slan go foill Don Kelly, NC, IGW All minor problems can be easily fixed, so , all which can be more easily fixed. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw/bylaws.htm

Good work to those on the P&P committee, it must have been a headache to do, thanks to all of you. I see a possible conflict in these two sections (quoted below) regarding maintaining a query AND a surname page at all times as stated in Section VII, when section VIII regarding contents, lists query board and mailing list, but not also surname list. That is not what was told to me when I took on the Kerry site. It was requested at the time that besides the site itself, we were asked, but not required to take on the email list and the query board associated with it. I have done that. My site is a very active one and demands much maintenance I have added many many pages to the site since I took it over. ... also I have a very busy 500+ person IRL-KERRY mailing list and 6000+ Kerry County Message query board... When Carol Hepburn took over my mailing list and message board last summer for me when I moved cross country, she told me both my list and message board were five times as busy as hers. I could not possibly take on another message board for surnames too as is stated in Section VII."shall be required to maintain a query and surname page at all the times." I think this is asking too much. Regarding mailing lists and query boards, Section VIII lists only query board and mailing list not a surname list too as is how I originally thought it was and goes along with how my county coordinating activities have been maintained. My suggestion would be that since Section VII is in seeming conflict with Section VIII, I would like to see Section VIII remain the same as it is how I originally understood the agreement and would like to see Section VII altered : Take out : (surname page) Replace with (mailing list) "Each coordinator shall be required to maintain a query and a mailing list at all the times." Again, I am kept so busy with the site, the mailing list and the board I couldn't possibly take on a surname board in addition. It would mean giving up the mailing list and I think that would be a great detriment to my Kerry researchers. Are assistants allowed? Second suggestion. If its deemed to keep Section VII as is, I suggest grandfathering in those of us who were enlisted under different criteria just as on the IGW main page that state you cant have more than 2 sites except for those who already have more. Relevant sections quoted below. mary Co Kerry Section VII: Query or BBS and mailing list systems Each coordinator shall be required to maintain a query and surname page at all the times. _______________________________________________ Section VIII: Contents of Websites Content of each IGW project website will vary widely depending on the volunteer coordinators knowledge and understanding of the region. The following elements are highly encouraged on all project websites: History Resource Addresses (Libraries, archives) Society Addresses Maps Links to related websites Geography Culture and Religious History Query Board Mail List Reference Materials (census, deeds, biographies, etc.)

Each year, for the past four years Dick Eastman has run a contest to see who the online genealogical community has thought the best genealogical web site was on the World Wide Web. If you think that The IrelandGenWeb Project is deserving of such an honor will you not please take a moment to let Mr. Eastman know what you think? - Send email to bestsite@rootscomputing.com - In the subject line include the full url (must start with http://) of the site you wish to vote for. Example-- http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw. Do not include any other words or symbols in the subject of the email... only the url. After casting your vote, you should received back an email letting you know your vote has been tallied. The rules permit you to post reasons why you think the site you are voting for deserves to be known as the best genealogical web site online, in the body of the email. If you have any questions please let me know. Thank you Don Kelly - -------------------------------------------------------- >From Dick Eastman - Which Site Is the "Best Genealogy Site on the Web?" Who has the best genealogy-related World Wide Web site? Do you have an opinion? If so, you can make your opinion heard in the fourth annual "Best Genealogy Site On The World Wide Web" award. You have the opportunity to honor a genealogy Web site with a "Readers' Choice Award" to be issued by this newsletter. The readers of this newsletter will pick the site to be named "Best Genealogy Site on the World Wide Web." This will be the fourth year that the readers of this newsletter have conferred such an award. I won't mention who won the award previously, as I don't want to influence this year's nominations. However, I will mention them again at the end of this year's elections. What guidelines are used to define the "best genealogy site on the World Wide Web?" That is strictly up to you. You can nominate a site because it is interesting or because it has nice graphics or because it has excellent maps or because it is full of valuable genealogy reference materials. I would suggest that you should nominate a site because it is the one genealogy Web site that you go back and visit, time and time again. However, even that guideline is optional. The choice is yours to make. When you cast your vote, you might write a couple of sentences about why you think this site is best, although that description is not absolutely required. I have set up an "electronic voting machine" that you can use to cast a vote for this "best of the Web" award. I have great confidence in this voting machine; Florida residents will not have to conduct a recount! You can vote at any time from now until midnight Eastern U.S. time on November 30, 2000. The voting machine will then tabulate the results. I will announce the winner in the December 2 newsletter. The winning World Wide Web site will then be allowed to mention the award on their Web site. That Web site also will be entitled to all the fame and notoriety that is included with this Online Genealogy Newsletter's Readers' Choice Award. Enough said! To cast your vote, you must follow these instructions EXACTLY. A computer is tabulating the results, not a human being. Computers are not very good at interpreting what you meant to say; you have to be precise when talking to a computer. You must enter your vote in exactly the proper format. To cast a vote for "Best Genealogy Site on the World Wide Web," send an email to: bestsite@rootscomputing.com The subject of the message must contain the full Web site address and nothing else. For instance, the message subject might be: http://www.rootscomputing.com The message subject (some e-mail programs will say "Message Title" instead of "subject") MUST start with: http:// Any of the following would be proper message subjects: http://www.ancestry.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwgw http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roots/ http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~dsucha/schuetz.html http://ynot.netgrp.net/~tursky/ http://homepages.noplace.com/~jsmith Please list the exact address in the message subject, but do not add any other words. Do not say, "My vote is..." or anything like that in the subject; simply list the actual URL beginning with the letters "http://". None of the following three examples will work: www.xyz.com My vote is for www.xyz.com My favorite Web site is xyz.com None of the three previous examples begin with "http://" and therefore the computer program that tabulates the vote will ignore them. If you do send your vote properly, you will receive a reply acknowledging the receipt of your nomination. You are encouraged to tell why you think your favorite site deserves such an award. You can do so by writing comments in the body of the e-mail. The automatic vote tally software will ignore the body text. However, once the votes are tallied, a human will read all the messages that nominated the winning site and will look for any comments about that site. Some of those comments may be published in the December 2 newsletter. By writing text in the message body, you are giving permission to reprint your name and comments in this newsletter. If you do not want your words or name published, please do not write anything in the message body. If you vote and then later change your mind, simply send in a new vote in exactly the same manner as the first vote. Your new vote will automatically replace the earlier one. In other words, you may vote as often as you like, but only the last vote you send will be counted. All votes must be received on or before November 30, 1999. Any Web site that tries to "stack the deck" by creating a method to have Web visitors automatically send e-mails will be disqualified. Web sites are encouraged to place a link to this newsletter article as published on Ancestry.com or to copy this article in its entirety onto their own Web site. The Web site may suggest that their users read this article and then cast a vote. However, if the Web site's software creates the message for the user, or if the Web site pre-loads a URL into the message subject of the vote, that site will be disqualified. In case of disputes, I reserve the right to make final judgment on the authenticity of any votes. Again, do not send your vote to my e-mail address or to the address that sends this newsletter. You must send your vote to: bestsite@rootscomputing.com The message subject line must contain the Web site's complete address (URL) and must start with: http:// OK, which site is "the best genealogy site on the Web?" Your vote counts. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- >From the IGW NC: Your reasons will be your own, but my reason was that in a growing trend towards showing banners on sites to earn money for the project owners, The IrelandGenWeb Project has steadfastly promoted totally free genealogical content on the web, and will never, under our present mission, charge anything for information displayed on our federal and county websites, nor will we seek to earn income for the IGW Project. This is your chance to gain recognition for The IrelandGenWeb Project and for all genealogical projects who promote totally free genealogical information on the web. Have a nice weekend. Don Kelly, NC, IGW

Don: Do you have Nancy Trice's email address handy, I'm not sure what her postion is at GenConnect. I spent a half hour trying to remove that email address from one of my Ontario GC boards this afternoon and would love to get back to her with the url as she suggested. The address is bouncing as invalid when queries are posted, and you can't remove it from the list of subscribers on your board as it comes up as an invalid email. Thanks. Mary Co. Tip At 11:43 PM 11/10/00 -0800, Donkelly wrote: >Attention hosts who have GenConnect query boards. > >GOTO your admin panel....down to near the bottom of the page.....enter your >password......click on view subscribers.....look for this address on the >list. > >I can't tell you what that address is doing. > >Don Kelly, NC, IGW > > >On 11/10/2000 at 11:23 PST Nancy Trice wrote: > >ravenvisualarts@mindspring.com > > >Someone maliciously subbed that address to hundreds of boards. >To stop the subbing I had to put it on the reject list globally. >Unfortunately now no one can unsub it either. I have just manually >removed it from this board. If you would, ask your other CCs to check >their address lists and if they find this address send me the URL for >the board it's on so I can remove it. > >Thanks, >nt > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:53 PM >To: Nancy Trice >Subject: error message > > > >Don Kelly > > > >==== IGW Mailing List ==== >IrelandGenWeb needs County Coordinators >Contact brehonlaws@netscape.net > > >

Attention hosts who have GenConnect query boards. GOTO your admin panel....down to near the bottom of the page.....enter your password......click on view subscribers.....look for this address on the list. I can't tell you what that address is doing. Don Kelly, NC, IGW On 11/10/2000 at 11:23 PST Nancy Trice wrote: ravenvisualarts@mindspring.com Someone maliciously subbed that address to hundreds of boards. To stop the subbing I had to put it on the reject list globally. Unfortunately now no one can unsub it either. I have just manually removed it from this board. If you would, ask your other CCs to check their address lists and if they find this address send me the URL for the board it's on so I can remove it. Thanks, nt -----Original Message----- From: Donkelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:53 PM To: Nancy Trice Subject: error message Don Kelly

NC Greetings to all County Coordinators within the Ireland project. I am happy to announce that a very experienced CC has agreed to develop our County Dublin site. I am sure that some of you know her already. Please everyone welcome Sue Seibert to The IrelandGenWeb Project. Sue also CCs County Tyrone in Northern Ireland. Don Kelly

Allen The Spammer just hit the Ireland/General GenConnect query board. I reported him to Spam@Yahoo.com. Watch your county lists very carefully for the next few days. He is spamming a Kings of Ireland family tree angle right now. I doubt that he has anything new to offer in that respect. My email is iffy right now. Can someone get this message to Nate and the WorldGenWeb mailing list? Thanks a bunch Slan go foill Don

Hi folks, I'd like to just express how important I think it is that we all maintain the full suite of boards for our counties and stop them from getting into the hands of someone from outside of our project again. One of the main problems we had when this happened, was that each time the person who was handling our 'other' boards used the 'signup/activate' page, he also changed the password on the surname helper page. Because of the way Surname Helper is set up this changed the name of the County Host to his, therefore giving the impression that he was in fact the CC for that county. We all work very hard in creating our sites, and I for one did not like to see someone else taking credit for the hours of work I had put into my web pages. I'm very relieved to now have the full suite of boards back for both Galway and Westmeath and I would urge everyone to take on theirs. They are very easy to maintain, especially the boards that accompany the query board, which are not posted too as often. Jayne

This was relayed to us by Nate. Can any of you put this volunteer to work? Anyone with an idea, please contact her. Thanks all Don **************************************************************************** *** Don, I received the following. Would you be so kind as to answer her? Thanks Nate -----Original Message----- From: Goretti Donlon [mailto:gorettidonlon@oceanfree.net] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:36 AM To: webmaster@britishislesgenweb.org Subject: To: Nathan Zipfel RE: IrelandGenWeb - County Longford Nathan I am living in County Longford and would be interested in helping with the Longford website and I'm not sure how to go about it. Is anyone in Longford currently helping? Maybe I could contact them and lend a hand. Can you provide me with any information on this so I can go about helping. Look forward to hearing from you. Goretti Donlon gorettidonlon@oceanfree.net Visit http://www.oceanfree.net to get your free e-mail account and use our unique Irish Internet directory

Returned from business trip to find Nancy Trice had responded to my request, so have now got all the Wexford boards under my name. Regards Kevin Murphy Auckland New Zealand (Still home of the America's Cup) murphyk@ihug.co.nz http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murphygenealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwex

I also have come home from work to find that Nancy has given me temp passwords to the new boards (and accidentaly reset the password to my existing Waterford query board as an oversight she said ) so I guess she IS acting on things when she is told about them. The bigger issue of course, and one we can't possibly solve, is why a multi million dollar company doesn't have a better system set up? All those international boards and no system to request changes? Email addresses going to noone? It's not like they don't have enough paid staff.... and according to messages on various listowner mailing lists, they are advertising for more and more paid workers...... Makes me wonder sometimes about why we are all still doing this "for free". After all, Rootsweb was built on our efforts.. but that's another topic and probably off topic to this particular list... altho it's an ongoing topic on LOAF (since it's not allowed to be discussed on the "official" Listowners mailing list) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Hi all, I also wrote to Nancy and she responded to me within a few hours with a temporary password for my boards. I emailed the other addresses just like everyone else did without any response. It does appear that they are changing duties at GC and those email addresses may not be going to anyone at all! I don't think it is a conspiracy but the fact that they have a lot of boards to maintain and only a few people who are caring for them any more. Do make sure you give the urls of the boards you want - I just said Ireland/Londonderry - and that was enough for her to work on. Best Wishes, Carol Hepburn (chepburn@uswest.net) Phoenix, AZ USA Home: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/ Work: http://www.acepromotions.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-CC's] GenConnect boards - write Nancy Trice? > Thanks for the tip Mary. I wrote to all of the admins whose email names were > at the bottom of the pages I needed, but received no answer to any of them. > Looks like a conspiracy to me, punishment for doing my job. I hope Nancy > isn't that small or petty. > We got along OK for years until I exercised my right to criticize her > waffling policies. > Looks like she cannot take constructive criticism, but I hope I am wrong. > > Perhaps your approach is best. The pages are really important to us, so I > will give it a try. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> > To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: [IGW-CC's] GenConnect boards - write Nancy Trice? > > > > Apparently Nancy Trice (trice@vci.net) is the key to adopting your suite > of > > GenConnect boards as there is no automated system for adopting > > International boards. > > > > The message I sent to board support was forwarded to her and she input a > > temporary password for me - I then just had to go in through the admin > > 'change' system (http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html?) and > > edit each board with my own email and url etc. > > > > Good luck everyone! > > > > Mary Kelly > > Co. Tip > > > > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > > Donald O'Collaugh Kelly > > > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > Donald O'Collaugh Kelly > >

One thing that confuses me is the fact that Nancy is listed nowhere as a contact person. Now their is a new administrator apparently, called GC-international at Rootsweb.com. I just tried that one and will wait patiently for a response. Good luck gang. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "primmer" <primmer@cableinet.co.uk> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [IGW-CC's] GenConnect boards - write Nancy Trice? > I emailed Nancy Trice regarding my boards yesterday. I had a very quick > reply from her today with the temporary password for my boards. All I > have to do now is edit each board with my own details. > > Jayne > > Mary A. Kelly wrote: > > > > Apparently Nancy Trice (trice@vci.net) is the key to adopting your suite of > > GenConnect boards....<snip> > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > National Coordinator >

Thanks for the tip Mary. I wrote to all of the admins whose email names were at the bottom of the pages I needed, but received no answer to any of them. Looks like a conspiracy to me, punishment for doing my job. I hope Nancy isn't that small or petty. We got along OK for years until I exercised my right to criticize her waffling policies. Looks like she cannot take constructive criticism, but I hope I am wrong. Perhaps your approach is best. The pages are really important to us, so I will give it a try. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly@cyberbeach.net> To: <IGW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: [IGW-CC's] GenConnect boards - write Nancy Trice? > Apparently Nancy Trice (trice@vci.net) is the key to adopting your suite of > GenConnect boards as there is no automated system for adopting > International boards. > > The message I sent to board support was forwarded to her and she input a > temporary password for me - I then just had to go in through the admin > 'change' system (http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html?) and > edit each board with my own email and url etc. > > Good luck everyone! > > Mary Kelly > Co. Tip > > > ==== IGW Mailing List ==== > Donald O'Collaugh Kelly >

I emailed Nancy Trice regarding my boards yesterday. I had a very quick reply from her today with the temporary password for my boards. All I have to do now is edit each board with my own details. Jayne Mary A. Kelly wrote: > > Apparently Nancy Trice (trice@vci.net) is the key to adopting your suite of > GenConnect boards....<snip>

Apparently Nancy Trice (trice@vci.net) is the key to adopting your suite of GenConnect boards as there is no automated system for adopting International boards. The message I sent to board support was forwarded to her and she input a temporary password for me - I then just had to go in through the admin 'change' system (http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html?) and edit each board with my own email and url etc. Good luck everyone! Mary Kelly Co. Tip