This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Graeve, Engels, Kramer, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zk.2ADI/773.1 Message Board Post: Yes they are: 1 - Franz Joseph GRAEVE Born - 21 Sep 1816 Buehren, Drolshagen, Olpe, Germany Died - 4 Oct 1885 Huetzemert, Germany sp- Maria Catharina (Greve) GRAEVE Born - 15 Oct 1818 Huetzemert, Olpe, Germany Mar. - 1837 Drolshagen, Olpe, Germany Died - 11 Jun 1894 Huetzemert, Germany 2 - Francis Henry GRAEVE Born - 4 Nov 1838 Huetzemert, Olpe, Germany Died - 6 Aug 1892 Shelby Co., IA Bur. - St. Joseph Cem, Earling, Shelby Co., IA sp- Elisabeth (Lisette) ENGELS Born - 27 Oct 1845 Benolpe, Drolshagen, Germany Mar. - 8 Jan 1867 St. Clemen's Cat, Drolshagen, Germany Died - 1 Dec 1907 Earling, Shelby Co., IA Bur. - St. Joseph Cem, Earling, Shelby Co., IA Dau of Antonius ENGEL & Magdalena HARDENACKE GENERATIONS OMITTED: MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. 2 - Peter Joseph GRAEVE Born - 11 Nov 1843 Huetzemert, Olpe, Germany Died - 1919 Shelby Co., IA Bur. - St. Boniface Cem, Westphalia, Shelby Co., IA sp- Maria Anna KRAMER Born - Nov 1845 Germany Mar. - 10 Feb 1874 Drolshagen, Germany Died - 1915 Shelby Co., IA Bur. - St. Boniface Cem, Westphalia, Shelby Co., IA Dau of Joseph KRAMER & Elizabeth GENERATIONS OMITTED: MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE.