This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zk.2ADI/360.437.445.446.2.1 Message Board Post: "My" Clara (Mary) Kramer was born 1-21-1843 Dohm, Trier, Rheinland, Germany. She was married to Valentine Kuhl, then John Thielen. She died 6-11-1885 Westphalia, Shelby County, Iowa. I don't know the names of her parents or siblings.