Dear Listers, Last week we did some reminiscing about Madison County and how it used to be decades ago. This week I received some clippings from the Des Moines Register sent by a Madison County relative and the headline was "New Roads and New People Changing Madison County" "Suburbia is knocking at Madison County's door, and money is beginning to flow to its beautiful hills. Drive south on a gravel road near Cumming, and the early fruits of development emerge over a dusty hill." A couple have built a $625,000 home on a hill overlooking a polo field and have invested another $660,000 in their Polo Pointe equestrian development. They are developing a 280 acre development. (Can you believe this is the sleepy Madison County we were talking about last week?) The article goes on to say that this is the first trickle of development money that is expected to pour into Madison County during the next decade. Thought some of you might enjoy hearing about the escalating land prices in an area where some of your ancestors might have lived and farmed. Cay

Last summer as I drove around Grand River Township, SW of Winterset in Madison County it occured to me that parts of the county are actually going back in time! Many of the family farms there have disappeared over the last 30 years. Many of the gravel roads are now marked as "Minimal Maintainance Road"s meaning they have stopped adding gravel and rarely if ever grade them. In some cases bridges have been removed over the waterways. It doesn't take nature long to reclaim what was once hers. I remembered reading Willa Cather's beautiful descriptions of the early settlers taming the land (in her novels O Pioneers and One of Ours)and the feeling that I was witnessing the process in reverse! Best regards, Doug in MN

As long as there is some reminiscing going on about Winterset may I put in my 2 cents. Doug talks about visiting Winterset in the 60's when he was a child and it hasn't changed much. When I was a child in the 30's our family would go to Winterset from Truro on a Friday evening to the movies and to eat at the Northside Cafe (made famous by the movie) then owned by a man named Harry Gaspari. It made for a pretty classy evening I thought then. The town really hasn't changed much since the 30's. The bridges were great attractions even in those days. Life was pretty laid back in those days in Madison County. Cay

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------616235684082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a forward of my original reply that Cindy refers to. I thought I HAD sent it to the list! Thanks for the heads up Cindy. Doug --------------616235684082 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <391383AC.C11@PioneerPlanet.infi.net> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:30:04 -0500 From: dmckee@PioneerPlanet.infi.net Reply-To: dmckee@PioneerPlanet.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cindyburd@aol.com Subject: Winterset References: <8.496d7e9.26446d66@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All true, Cindy, except that would be a "squared" circle as in "town square"! When I was a child in the sixties, my grandparents would drive in from rural Macksburg for groceries and other shopping. If the folks had different errands, they would always arrange to meet "on the square". What is neat about the square in Winterset is that although many of the businesses have changed, it still has the same look and feel as it did in that time. Best regrards, Doug Cindyburd@aol.com wrote: > > Winterset is the neatest place to visit. When you get down town, the town is > in a circle around the courthouse. The people are great and be sure to eat > at the cafe where Clint Eastwood sat during the taping of The Bridges of > Madison County. Get a map and visit some of the Bridges in that area. The > Cemetery is very pretty, and very big. Enjoy your trip, we sure did, and > have nice memories of Winterset. > > Cynthia Burd Griebel > EASTMAN, ABEL, HOUSE, ACKERMAN, BURD, THURMAN --------------616235684082--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2DD86D5A1122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, Cindy! By the way, if any of you happen browse around the e bay auction site it is fun to type in a search for "Winterset". Sometimes someone will be selling old photos, postcards etc and will often have a image that you can view on line. You can, of course, do the same with a lot of locations that might be of interest to you. Good hunting and good humour to all! Doug in Saint Paul --------------2DD86D5A1122 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <Cindyburd@aol.com> Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by fh105.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA32351 for <dmckee@pioneerplanet.infi.net>; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Cindyburd@aol.com Received: from Cindyburd@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id k.e8.4000823 (8512) for <dmckee@pioneerplanet.infi.net>; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <e8.4000823.2644e01c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:40:28 EDT Subject: Re: Winterset To: dmckee@pioneerplanet.infi.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Your right Doug, it is "the square." I did not mean to send this on to you. I forgot to check the "send to." Would you do me a favor and send it onto the list. Include your reply please. Thank you Cynthia Burd Griebel EASTMAN, ABEL, HOUSE, ACKERMAN, BURD, THURMAN --------------2DD86D5A1122--

Thank you all! I received lots of good help and advice for my upcoming Winterset trip. It should be a fun and hopefully, successful trip! Thanks to all of you, my trip is a well thought plan of attack-well, at least I am hoping! See you in July! Jane Kolar jmpdk3@go.com ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com

Jane K., When you are in Winterset, you should also check out the new Museum on the south edge of town (near the hospital). They have a small genealogy library in addition to the exhibits. They may not charge admission for library use only, though I'm not totally sure on that. A visit to City Park and the Winterset Cemetery are also worth your while. Also, if you are in Des Moines you might want to check out the Iowa Genealogical Society on Douglas Ave across from the Merle Hay Mall. They are listed in the phone books or do a net search for them. Enjoy your trip! Doug in Saint Paul Researching: ADDINGTON, ALCORN, BAREFOOT, BATEMAN, BUCHANAN, CAMERON, CATHER, COFFEY, EVANS, HADDEN, HARDESTY, HASTY, HAWTHORNE, HERON, HIRCOCK, JESSUP, McCOY, MACKEY, McKIE, McKEE, MENDENHALL, MOBLEY, PATTON, PURVIS, ROSS, ROWLAND, SMIDT, THOMAS, THOMPSON, and WRIGHT jane kolar wrote: > > I am new to the Madison Co mailing list. My gg > grandfather, Charles Edwin Booth b:3-22-1859 Guernsey Co., > OH d:1921 Madison Co., IA married Elvina McClain b:1864 > d:1906 Madison Co., IA on 2-10-1881 in Madison Co., IA. > Children: > Jennie May, Lizzie Alice (my line-married Oscar Lee > Peacock), Jessie Belle, Roy Ellsworth, Clyde Edwin, James > Wesley, Nellie Grace, & Clarence William. > > I also have several questions: > I am going to be visiting Madison Co in July. I am > interested in getting some vital records. On the Vital > Records website, it says that Iowa prefers people to get > records from Des Moines-but they do not have the records > that I need. Can I go to the county clerk at Winterset to > get records? How much are copies? Since I am doing > genealogy, should I get certified copies or are regular > copies ok to have? > Thank you so much for your help. If you can help me with > information on any of the above, I appreciate it. > Jane Kolar > jmpdk3@go.com > > ___________________________________________________ > GO Network Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com

I am also a descendant of Ira Parker through his son, Samuel. If you would be interested in exchanging information, please contact me privately. Tina Manning

I have been given to understand that there will be a Parker Reunion in the coming months in Madison County. The Parker Reunion is supposed to be for the descendants of Ira Parker and Margaret Shaklee. I do not know if the reunion includes the descendants of Ira's brothers, that is, Milton, Jonathan, and Isaac, or Ira's sister Eleanor. I would appreciate receiving information on any reunion plans. I am the great grandson of Ira Parker and Margaret Shaklee. Walter Wheeler whwheeler@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

For the past couple days there has been a discussion on this list concerning the services and fees of one particular professional researcher. She is not to blame for this. Rootsweb policies do not allow professional researchers to promote their services or discuss their fees on any list. This discussion is grossly unfair to other researchers in the Madison County area who cannot promote their services. In fairness to all of them, it is time for this discussion to stop. I am not a professional researcher, nor do I have any information from Madison County that I can share. I'm looking for information like the rest of you. Any recommendations of specific researchers should be done privately. Marilyn CT James Gill wrote: > > I'll add my recommendation of Lorraine Kile. She's done quite a bit for > me, is very responsive and prices very reasonable. I think she has access > to some vital records as well as deeds, and has also done work with > obituaries. > > At 11:51 AM 4/30/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I recently wrote the Madison County Recorder asking for deeds. I heard > back a > >few weeks later from a lady named Lorraine Kile. She does look-ups at the > >courthouse, since that staff doesn't have the time. > >She asked for $8 per hour and the cost of the copies. Copies were $1 per > >page. The copies came quite promptly. > >I'll send her address to those who ask. > >Sharon Laizure Hofer > > > > > James Gill > Newark, DE

I'll add my recommendation of Lorraine Kile. She's done quite a bit for me, is very responsive and prices very reasonable. I think she has access to some vital records as well as deeds, and has also done work with obituaries. At 11:51 AM 4/30/00 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, >I recently wrote the Madison County Recorder asking for deeds. I heard back a >few weeks later from a lady named Lorraine Kile. She does look-ups at the >courthouse, since that staff doesn't have the time. >She asked for $8 per hour and the cost of the copies. Copies were $1 per >page. The copies came quite promptly. >I'll send her address to those who ask. >Sharon Laizure Hofer > > James Gill Newark, DE

Have done alot of digging for gggrandfather in Madison County. County people and library people are very friendly and helpful. Hard to beat the assistance they have given me. Think the reason for looking in Des Moines is that there are two periods in the 20th Cent when the vital records were all sent to the state and the county is blank for those periods. If the state doesnt have the records you wish, it is a good possibility, they never got them, and they are in the county. Good luck. In july, fill up on tomatoes and sweet corn, and bring the bug repellent. cdp jane kolar wrote: > I am new to the Madison Co mailing list. My gg > grandfather, Charles Edwin Booth b:3-22-1859 Guernsey Co., > OH d:1921 Madison Co., IA married Elvina McClain b:1864 > d:1906 Madison Co., IA on 2-10-1881 in Madison Co., IA. > Children: > Jennie May, Lizzie Alice (my line-married Oscar Lee > Peacock), Jessie Belle, Roy Ellsworth, Clyde Edwin, James > Wesley, Nellie Grace, & Clarence William. > > I also have several questions: > I am going to be visiting Madison Co in July. I am > interested in getting some vital records. On the Vital > Records website, it says that Iowa prefers people to get > records from Des Moines-but they do not have the records > that I need. Can I go to the county clerk at Winterset to > get records? How much are copies? Since I am doing > genealogy, should I get certified copies or are regular > copies ok to have? > Thank you so much for your help. If you can help me with > information on any of the above, I appreciate it. > Jane Kolar > jmpdk3@go.com > > ___________________________________________________ > GO Network Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com

Lorraine Kile has an e-mail address <gmalik5@aol.com> > I recently wrote the Madison County Recorder asking for deeds. I heard back a > few weeks later from a lady named Lorraine Kile. She does look-ups at the > courthouse, since that staff doesn't have the time. > She asked for $8 per hour and the cost of the copies. Copies were $1 per > page. The copies came quite promptly. > I'll send her address to those who ask. > Sharon Laizure Hofer

The cost of a certified copy of birth, death and marriage records in the State of Iowa is $10 - the cost is the same in every county - as well as from the state. Valerie ---------- From: James D. Miller <jdm1968@pionet.net> To: IAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IAMADISO] Vital records Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 11:22 AM Hello Jane, Well, I'll try to answer a couple of your questions. First of all, Iowa has been trying to close their vital records for years. The fact that they want you to get your records from Des Moines suggests that they want the $14 or so that it takes to get a certified copy from the state department of vital statistics. Anyhow, Iowa's vital statistics are no longer housed in the offices of the county clerks. Instead they now reside in the County Recorders office. And yes, you can get copies... Unless you are trying to get a membership in either the DAR or the Society of Mayflower Descendants I think certified copies are a waste of money... a regular old photocopy will work just as well for your needs. The charge for copies has increased dramatically... and varies from county to county. Here in Clarke County If you make the copy yourself I think it is a dollar a page, but if you ask the recorders to make copies it is much more. I can't tell you how much Madison Co.'s copies cost... even though I'm right next door I haven't been there in quite a while... ever since the madness over that absolutely dreadful book and movie. LOL. Best of Luck! Jim Miller, Osceola, IA

Subj: Re: [IAMADISO] Vital records From: SLH1753 email: gmalik5@aol.com Lorraine Kile P.O. Box 47 Winterset, IA 50273-0047 Phone (515) 462-4318 I let her know the first and last name of the person I was researching. Also, the range of years he lived there. Then she did the rest. Regards, Sharon Ontario, Calif.

Hi Sharon, I would love to have the address for the Madison County researcher. Marilyn Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <SLH1753@aol.com> To: <IAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [IAMADISO] Vital records > Hi, > I recently wrote the Madison County Recorder asking for deeds. I heard back a > few weeks later from a lady named Lorraine Kile. She does look-ups at the > courthouse, since that staff doesn't have the time. > She asked for $8 per hour and the cost of the copies. Copies were $1 per > page. The copies came quite promptly. > I'll send her address to those who ask. > Sharon Laizure Hofer > >

Hello Jane, Well, I'll try to answer a couple of your questions. First of all, Iowa has been trying to close their vital records for years. The fact that they want you to get your records from Des Moines suggests that they want the $14 or so that it takes to get a certified copy from the state department of vital statistics. Anyhow, Iowa's vital statistics are no longer housed in the offices of the county clerks. Instead they now reside in the County Recorders office. And yes, you can get copies... Unless you are trying to get a membership in either the DAR or the Society of Mayflower Descendants I think certified copies are a waste of money... a regular old photocopy will work just as well for your needs. The charge for copies has increased dramatically... and varies from county to county. Here in Clarke County If you make the copy yourself I think it is a dollar a page, but if you ask the recorders to make copies it is much more. I can't tell you how much Madison Co.'s copies cost... even though I'm right next door I haven't been there in quite a while... ever since the madness over that absolutely dreadful book and movie. LOL. Best of Luck! Jim Miller, Osceola, IA

I am new to the Madison Co mailing list. My gg grandfather, Charles Edwin Booth b:3-22-1859 Guernsey Co., OH d:1921 Madison Co., IA married Elvina McClain b:1864 d:1906 Madison Co., IA on 2-10-1881 in Madison Co., IA. Children: Jennie May, Lizzie Alice (my line-married Oscar Lee Peacock), Jessie Belle, Roy Ellsworth, Clyde Edwin, James Wesley, Nellie Grace, & Clarence William. I also have several questions: I am going to be visiting Madison Co in July. I am interested in getting some vital records. On the Vital Records website, it says that Iowa prefers people to get records from Des Moines-but they do not have the records that I need. Can I go to the county clerk at Winterset to get records? How much are copies? Since I am doing genealogy, should I get certified copies or are regular copies ok to have? Thank you so much for your help. If you can help me with information on any of the above, I appreciate it. Jane Kolar jmpdk3@go.com ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com

Hi, I recently wrote the Madison County Recorder asking for deeds. I heard back a few weeks later from a lady named Lorraine Kile. She does look-ups at the courthouse, since that staff doesn't have the time. She asked for $8 per hour and the cost of the copies. Copies were $1 per page. The copies came quite promptly. I'll send her address to those who ask. Sharon Laizure Hofer

I found this on another list. It is a Science report on a tv network site. Daughters of Eve Geneticists: All Europeans Decend from seven matriarchal clans. < http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/daughters000420.html Marilyn CT